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The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process,
but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they
had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it. Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to
to get stuff working'
Fun days.
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they
had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to
to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group watching.
In then there were the PPP plugfests. For years, I kept a T-shirt that
said "I can PPP". And someone from PacBell pointed out the woman who was
the real life inspiration for "Alice" in Dilbert.
Some of the people were truly amazing. Some weird shit was happening
behind the scenes. A guy in Finland built an anonymous remailer (double-blind). Many government agencies did not like it, but could not persuade the Finns to stop it. Eventually Milo told the network people
at Helsinki University, that if they did not get him out, Finland would disappear from the Internet. 24 hours later that particular problem
was gone - permanently.
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they
had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to
to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group watching.
On 25/08/2025 11:03 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they >>>> had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to >>> to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
On 25/08/2025 11:03 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they >>>> had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to >>> to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
On 25/08/2025 11:03 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the >>> late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA >>> guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
DAGS: "Shall we play a game?"
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
My favourite part of that movie was when the kid was sitting outside
the principal's office next to a desk with a terminal on it, and he
pulled out the writing leaf to find the system password. That was
one of the most realistic computer movie scenes I've ever seen.
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
My favourite part of that movie was when the kid was sitting outside
the principal's office next to a desk with a terminal on it, and he
pulled out the writing leaf to find the system password. That was
one of the most realistic computer movie scenes I've ever seen.
Tip grounding the transmitter [handset microphone for you
Netheads] on the pay phone in the outside booth was an working
technique until Ma swapped in insulated "Anti-fraud transmitters."
I guess the hook on a pay phone was too massive to jiggle fast
enough to dial (not that I ever tried). The plungers on a 500
set were more doable.
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
My favourite part of that movie was when the kid was sitting outside the >>principal's office next to a desk with a terminal on it, and he pulled
out the writing leaf to find the system password. That was one of the
most realistic computer movie scenes I've ever seen.
Tip grounding the transmitter [handset microphone for you Netheads] on
the pay phone in the outside booth was an working technique until Ma
swapped in insulated "Anti-fraud transmitters."
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
I guess the hook on a pay phone was too massive to jiggle fast
enough to dial (not that I ever tried). The plungers on a 500
set were more doable.
In the "goodoldaze" i.e.pre-"dial tone first" the initial nickel
err dime momentarily grounded the tip side of the line, telling
the CO to give you dial tome. The "pin in the transmitter"
ground emulated that coin drop.
The whole history of payphone fraud emulated "Spy vs. Spy" in
complexity as Ma closed one hole only to soon have phreaks
exploit another. She was hampered by having to modify Central
Offices circuitry all over the country.
The part She DID do well was protecting the coinbox from
theft. The lock on same was a 7-lever not pin design, well-nigh
impossible to pick. That said, She wouldn't know of any theft
until the coinbox was collected, the money counted, and
audited. That might well be weeks/month later; the thief was
long-long gone by then.
Payphones were ideal targets, often in isolated locations, and
how could you stake out every possible target in a region?
There was one person who pulled it off. Once alerted to it,
Ma's kids started looking & found it going on across large
parts of the country, in a pattern that indicated it was a
sole perpetrator moving from place to place. It seemed he could
QUICKLY get the lock open, dump the bootie, relock and exit in a
few minutes.
One issue was how to explain cashing in all the booty. I
remember thinking "That's easy; open a laundromat somewhere..."
I recall reading that they chased for YEARS, and finally caught
him. Not sure of his fate; given there would be nil evidence
of him at previous locations.
Connections has several You-Tubes on payphones: <https://youtu.be/Cdi1YvXj6_Q>
<https://youtu.be/54wy8Y_pb9M>