• Re: Usenet rules. Let's keep it going.

    From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to alt.fan.usenet on Mon Jul 7 19:10:03 2025
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    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote at 17:43 this Thursday (GMT):
    Verily, in article <1044fdq$3p433$2@dont-email.me>, did
    ant@zimage.comANT deliver unto us this message:


    Probably, but not big as DejaNews and Google Groups. I can't remember
    which. I wonder if there are any now.

    A lot of people mention something called Karchive, though I haven't
    visited it.


    Well, it must've been shut down or someting, then.
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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.fan.usenet on Mon Jul 7 17:51:47 2025
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    Verily, in article <slrn106o6s7.2emig.candycanearter07
    @candydeb.host.invalid>, did candycanearter07
    @candycanearter07.nomail.afraid deliver unto us this message:

    A lot of people mention something called Karchive, though I haven't visited it.


    Well, it must've been shut down or someting, then.

    I don't know. It's hard to find anything under all the references to the package with the same name.

    They talk about it in the admin groups. If you hang around there for a
    while, they'll probably mention it.
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.fan.usenet on Sat Aug 9 13:07:17 2025
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    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:55:45 -0700, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    By its nature, Usenet discourages low-effort posts. On Reddit, some quip often ends up as the top comment, upvoted by those who chuckle at it. Facebook is similar, swarming with low-effort memes and bogus tips in
    the endless quest for engagement. Here on Usenet, we still talk, and our words stand or fall based on what we say.

    Also: no edits.

    (Sorry for the late reaction; can't believe I just found out about this newsgroup.)
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to alt.fan.usenet on Sat Aug 9 12:47:11 2025
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    "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    Also: no edits.

    That sometimes sucks, if you have updates to add or typos to slay.

    That sometimes saves the day, because "rewriting history" is near to impossible.

    Basically the same problem as with VCS/SCM.

    Maybe we should start experimenting with an NNTP layer above SCMs?

    Newsreaders would need to evolve too to pass through the added
    possibilities and IMO this is the main showblocker for such ideas.


    Remotely related:

    RFCs use an "Obsoleted by:" information which get patched into the
    original RFC. If this is good enough for RFCs, I see no reason against
    an "Updated-By:" header in posts. This would not break the existing
    references chain, which currently seems the biggest problem for
    supersedes.

    <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc977>


    But sure this just will stay a dream.
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.fan.usenet on Sat Aug 9 14:16:12 2025
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    On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 12:47:11 +0042, yeti wrote:

    Also: no edits.

    That sometimes sucks, if you have updates to add or typos to slay.

    I agree. In the Dutch language it's especially painful when making
    so-called 'd/t' mistakes (using t instead of d or d when it should be
    dt). In English I can always use the 'not my native language' excuse.

    That sometimes saves the day, because "rewriting history" is near to impossible.

    Basically the same problem as with VCS/SCM.

    Please elaborate.

    Remotely related:

    RFCs use an "Obsoleted by:" information which get patched into the
    original RFC. If this is good enough for RFCs, I see no reason against
    an "Updated-By:" header in posts. This would not break the existing references chain, which currently seems the biggest problem for
    supersedes.

    <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc977>


    But sure this just will stay a dream.

    One could use supersedes, but I don't think nowaday Usenet servers don't respect this anymore.
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to alt.fan.usenet on Sat Aug 9 13:54:09 2025
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    "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 12:47:11 +0042, yeti wrote:

    That sometimes saves the day, because "rewriting history" is near to
    impossible.

    Basically the same problem as with VCS/SCM.

    Please elaborate.

    Some version control systems force you never to merge requests or do
    other things that would rewrite what stays readable about the code's
    evolution, others allow that.

    IMO the existence of both schools is ok as long as the user can decide
    which software to use.

    One could use supersedes, but I don't think nowaday Usenet servers
    don't respect this anymore.

    I've no idea why my local servers ignore Cancel and Supersede, but that probably only hints at I'm overlooking lots of stuff I should have fine
    tuned after installing. I had a long break with news servers and
    currently other stuff is nearer to the top of my to do list while
    yelling for attention, but I hope to dive into NNTP deeper again.

    In the mid 90s I had a leaf system that was fed pulling from a local
    Fidonet node and the University and I got stuck when I wanted different
    email personalities. Back then I got an exception in Fidonet to be
    allowed to use "yeti" instead of the realname. Seems today's Fidonet
    still insists on realnames and has forgotten that exceptions already did
    exist long ago and that this was not the reason of Fidonet's decay.
    Looking at the user names in Fidonet now I've some doubt that all those
    names really are realnames, but I decided not to care any more.

    And deviating from the initial topic sure is among my openly carried and applied superpowers! *sigh!*
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.fan.usenet on Sun Aug 10 20:14:40 2025
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    On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 13:54:09 +0042, yeti wrote:

    I've no idea why my local servers ignore Cancel and Supersede, but that probably only hints at I'm overlooking lots of stuff I should have fine
    tuned after installing. I had a long break with news servers and
    currently other stuff is nearer to the top of my to do list while
    yelling for attention, but I hope to dive into NNTP deeper again.

    I assume it is to prevent abuse. I only know of supersedes when posting
    a weekly/monthly FAQ for instance. That way someone retrieving all
    headers wouldn't get bombarded with tons of FAQ postings.

    As for cancel: probably been abused so newsservers stopped honouring
    them. I believe Eternal September actually has a cancel lock in place.
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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.fan.usenet on Mon Aug 11 11:58:03 2025
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    Verily, in article <mfooepF9oudU1@mid.individual.net>, did
    me@privacy.invalid deliver unto us this message:

    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:55:45 -0700, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    By its nature, Usenet discourages low-effort posts. On Reddit, some quip often ends up as the top comment, upvoted by those who chuckle at it. Facebook is similar, swarming with low-effort memes and bogus tips in
    the endless quest for engagement. Here on Usenet, we still talk, and our words stand or fall based on what we say.

    Also: no edits.

    Yes indeedy. If we choose to send a message out, it's sent out forever.
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.fan.usenet on Mon Aug 11 21:26:27 2025
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    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:58:03 -0700, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    Also: no edits.

    Yes indeedy. If we choose to send a message out, it's sent out forever.

    Another advantage: I'm on smallband atm (1 Mbps download), because I
    reached 100% of my fixed volume (I'm probably the only one not having
    unlimited download/upload) and everything is slow as hell, but Usenet
    isn't a problem.
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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.fan.usenet on Mon Aug 11 14:37:32 2025
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    Verily, in article <mfuuf1FavinU1@mid.individual.net>, did
    me@privacy.invalid deliver unto us this message:

    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:58:03 -0700, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    Also: no edits.

    Yes indeedy. If we choose to send a message out, it's sent out forever.

    Another advantage: I'm on smallband atm (1 Mbps download), because I
    reached 100% of my fixed volume (I'm probably the only one not having unlimited download/upload) and everything is slow as hell, but Usenet
    isn't a problem.

    I'd love to attract more smart people back to Usenet. Its anonymity
    might appeal to the security-conscious.
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.fan.usenet on Wed Aug 13 20:51:46 2025
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    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 14:37:32 -0700, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    I'd love to attract more smart people back to Usenet. Its anonymity
    might appeal to the security-conscious.

    I wouldn't start advertising on social media. Just the other day I read
    that some people claim 50% of the content of social media is created by
    bots. Dead Internet is nigh!
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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.fan.usenet on Thu Aug 14 10:17:28 2025
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    Verily, in article <mg455vF7193U1@mid.individual.net>, did
    me@privacy.invalid deliver unto us this message:

    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 14:37:32 -0700, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    I'd love to attract more smart people back to Usenet. Its anonymity
    might appeal to the security-conscious.

    I wouldn't start advertising on social media. Just the other day I read
    that some people claim 50% of the content of social media is created by
    bots. Dead Internet is nigh!

    It's already here. There are so, so, so many bots on Reddit now. I am literally the mod of /r/bots, and even I think it's out of control.

    I definitely don't want to advertise Usenet, which would only bring back
    the spammers and scammers. I would like to attract more of the right
    people, though. Edge people talking around the edges is exactly how
    Usenet started, and its value is still real IMO.
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