• Re: You Can Use the Internet the Old-School Unixy Way With Shell Accounts

    From Anthk NM@anthk@openbsd.home to alt.culture.usenet on Mon Aug 11 07:51:29 2025
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    On 2025-04-11, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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    On 2025-03-22, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
    pschleck@panix.com (Paul W. Schleck) wrote:

    "One reason to sign up for a shell account is that shell providers
    often have friendly user communities.

    (*) Most neighbours I have in pubnixens are just silent, but the few
    that are not are worth staying.


    I signed up to one or two, and that was my experience. The *idea* was
    cool, but no one was really there. The fundamental problem, I think, is
    its not a real community. Its people who want to use a particular technology, but don't share any other interest. It's like starting a
    group for people who like to meet in community centres. Once you're
    there, then what? You've already achieved your goal? The Gemini
    community had the same problem. They just liked the idea of using
    Gemini. That doesn't make what you have to say more interesting.

    It was basically, at least to me, people who liked to use a particular
    means to an ends, but actually had no ends. I do understand that the communication format does matter (part of the appeal of Usenet to me),
    but you need more than a shared desire to use the same format. At least
    on Usenet, you can find others with similar interests.

    Many providers have their own IRC, Usenet, or bulletin boards where
    users can exchange messages.

    ...plus fediverse, too many different link aggregators and short message
    like media, local or pubnix network wide bulletin boards, Gitea and Cgit
    ... short: Too many services competing for users. That yields lots of
    sub-crowds with far to few comminication.

    The too many services trap.


    These technologies can be useful for closed groups. NNTP could be used
    for a company, like group email and centralised posting. IRC useful as
    well. I can see the need, and value for a private community, which may
    be large to do that (such as a social movement). But we don't need more general "public" twitter clones.


    The users tend to be other Linux and Unix enthusiasts. These spaces
    are just fun to hang out in."

    See (*).


    I'd be interested to see these fun places.

    NNTP used to be something used internally in tech companies as an
    alternative to ticketing/bugzilla systems. If you set your newsreader
    to fetch everything, NNTP was much better than anything else, you got
    insta search and threading by default by using far less resources.
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