• Re: WTF? Settings - Autoplay doesn't allow to add a website

    From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Fri Jul 4 18:19:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.firefox

    On Fri, 04 Jul 2025 14:51:39 +0200, s|b wrote:

    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 19:16:51 +0200, Schugo <schugo@[NOSPAM] schugo.de>
    wrote:

    I use NS/Mozilla/Gecko/FF/SM since 1996.

    Fx (sic) hasn't even been around since 1996. Phoenix 0.1 was released in 2002.

    Netscape has been around since 1994 (maybe that's what the NS is).
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    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

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    soul." [Mark Twain]
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Fri Jul 4 20:24:50 2025
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    On 04 Jul 2025 18:19:57 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

    Netscape has been around since 1994 (maybe that's what the NS is).

    Prolly talking about the source code then...
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    s|b
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Jul 5 02:00:14 2025
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    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:58:48 +0200, Schugo wrote:

    The ... icon for Extensions ...
    A puzzle piece.

    WTF does a puzzle piece remind me of an Extension or Add-On???

    That’s quite a common symbol. I remember seeing something similar back in early Macintosh days. It indicates a piece that fits into other pieces.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Jul 5 17:18:45 2025
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    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 02:00:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:58:48 +0200, Schugo wrote:

    The ... icon for Extensions ...
    A puzzle piece.

    WTF does a puzzle piece remind me of an Extension or Add-On???

    That’s quite a common symbol. I remember seeing something similar back
    in early Macintosh days. It indicates a piece that fits into other
    pieces.

    That makes sense when you already know.

    I remember the early Windows ads that called it "intuitive", as if you
    already knew how to use it. Then they discovered that's not true. You need icon labels.

    The lack of hover (to show labels that wouldn't fit otherwise) is one of
    the major disadvantages of smartphones.
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    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." [Abbie Hoffman]
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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Jul 5 14:33:51 2025
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    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 02:00:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:58:48 +0200, Schugo wrote:

    The ... icon for Extensions ...
    A puzzle piece.

    WTF does a puzzle piece remind me of an Extension or Add-On???

    Thatós quite a common symbol. I remember seeing something similar back
    in early Macintosh days. It indicates a piece that fits into other
    pieces.

    That makes sense when you already know.

    I remember the early Windows ads that called it "intuitive", as if you already knew how to use it. Then they discovered that's not true. You need icon labels.

    The lack of hover (to show labels that wouldn't fit otherwise) is one of
    the major disadvantages of smartphones.

    How is any icon intuitive without context? The red circle with a line
    through it represents some type of hazard. What hazard is unknown
    without context. Even knowing the icon represents hazard is something
    learned, as is language. We learn how to speak through imitation.
    Later we learn the notation used for writing where expertise grows with practice and experience.

    Smartphones have crappy user interfaces. The screen is no where close
    to using a mouse and keyboard. You can those user input devices to a
    phone, but rarely does anyone tote around a mouse and keyboard to pair
    to their phone. I could do it at home, but lugging around I/O devices
    for use with the phone is just nothing something convenient to stuff
    into a phone holster hanging on my belt. Despite how they have improved
    over the years, I still consider phones as toy computers: convenient for
    mobile computers, but lacking decent user I/O, and still low-powered to
    be running robust programs on desktops.

    Perhaps a major consternation with phone apps is the almost complete
    lack of useful documentation. Not like you can look at a web browser's
    Help to see a map of all objects in its UI to provide description of
    each, and detailed descriptions of what each does. Documentation became
    a lost art among developers. With phones and apps, we're supposed to
    divine the operation through trial and error, and perhaps upon the
    experience of others already having to suffer the tribulations of the
    mobile platform.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Jul 5 20:49:14 2025
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    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:33:51 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    [snip]

    Perhaps a major consternation with phone apps is the almost complete
    lack of useful documentation. Not like you can look at a web browser's
    Help to see a map of all objects in its UI to provide description of
    each, and detailed descriptions of what each does. Documentation became
    a lost art among developers. With phones and apps, we're supposed to
    divine the operation through trial and error, and perhaps upon the
    experience of others already having to suffer the tribulations of the
    mobile platform.

    No hover. Little or no documentation. Often the only way to find out what
    an unfamiliar icon does is to tap it, hen hope there's an easy way out
    when you find that it has nothing to do with what you want.

    BTW, why should three horizontal lines represent a hamburger (and not the "absolutely equal" sign or something else)? I had no idea until I saw
    people talking about it.
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    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." [Abbie Hoffman]
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Jul 6 00:10:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.firefox

    On 05 Jul 2025 20:49:14 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

    BTW, why should three horizontal lines represent a hamburger (and not
    the "absolutely equal" sign or something else)? I had no idea until I
    saw people talking about it.

    “Hamburger” is just the name. Its function has nothing to do with food‡, instead it shows a top-level menu bar when it is clicked/tapped.

    ‡Unless this is a food site/app, of course
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  • From Frank Miller@miller@posteo.ee to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Jul 6 03:12:13 2025
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    Mark Lloyd wrote:
    [..snip..]
    BTW, why should three horizontal lines represent a hamburger (and not the "absolutely equal" sign or something else)? I had no idea until I saw
    people talking about it.

    Because it's like a /very/ simplified pictogram of an hamburger (the fast
    food, not a male resident of Hamburg in Germany). Top half of the bun,
    the hamburger patty, the bottom half of the bun.
    Of course you can name it "absolutely equal menu" or the "musical three
    line staff menu", but i doubt, anyone would understand what you're
    talking about.
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Jul 6 03:08:39 2025
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    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 03:12:13 +0200, Frank Miller wrote:

    Because it's like a /very/ simplified pictogram of an hamburger (the
    fast food, not a male resident of Hamburg in Germany). Top half of the
    bun, the hamburger patty, the bottom half of the bun.

    The lines denote vertically-stacked menu items.
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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Jul 5 23:18:17 2025
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    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:33:51 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    [snip]

    Perhaps a major consternation with phone apps is the almost complete
    lack of useful documentation. Not like you can look at a web browser's
    Help to see a map of all objects in its UI to provide description of
    each, and detailed descriptions of what each does. Documentation became
    a lost art among developers. With phones and apps, we're supposed to
    divine the operation through trial and error, and perhaps upon the
    experience of others already having to suffer the tribulations of the
    mobile platform.

    No hover. Little or no documentation. Often the only way to find out what
    an unfamiliar icon does is to tap it, hen hope there's an easy way out
    when you find that it has nothing to do with what you want.

    BTW, why should three horizontal lines represent a hamburger (and not the "absolutely equal" sign or something else)? I had no idea until I saw
    people talking about it.

    Might not have been the original icon's name. Someone probably
    contrived the term trying to come with something to call it, like 2
    halves of a bun with a beef patty between. More likely it was to
    represent the multiple entries in a drop-down menu. Alas, it is not the
    only icon used to represent a menu. 3 vertical dots is also a menu icon
    (aka meatball icon). Then there is the 9-dot (3x3) array as a menu icon
    (aka waffle icon). Food seems a common theme for naming these. Geez,
    now I'm hungry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_button
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