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Arlen,

BTW, I don't see anything from the super troll Rudy Wieser ...
he's mischaracterizing my privacy goals.

I'm not even going to ask you to quote where I did.

Kiddo, you are the greatest of kings in regard to making claims of truth,
but are the poorest of beggars in regard to supporting them with anything.

Some windows behave just like you'd expect them to.

Still no idea - or could not care less - that folders and applications are handled differently I see.

Only an ignorant super troll like Rudy Wieser is would infest
any thread just for his own gleeful sadistic purpose of posting
endless garbage.

[quote=me]
He .. has a rather noticable style of ... dealing with replies he doesn't like.
[/quote]

Thanks for showing a prime example of what I described you have a habit of doing. :-)

Once Rudy infests a thread, it's dead.
I consider this thread dead as a result of the super troll
disease of Rudy.

You should have considered the same for your "What's the actual *advantage*
of not having an sd slot?" subject in comp.mobile.android. My 'what exactly are you talking about?' reply was the first in it.

But no, you just *had* to keep dumping your unsupported "facts" and try to trash a number of other people which where also not agreeing with you.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Arlen,

The goal is to seek a Windows setting controlling window locations.

To cut yet another thread filled with "I want it to exist, and I demand you guys to tell me where" subject short :

There is none.

And you could have realized that, as you have mentioned third-party programs like DisplayFusion and UltraMon for that purpose yourself.

Basic logic : why would such programs exist if the OS already has it
build-in ?

Hmmm... The above is quite of a thread-killer contribution I made, isn't it
? :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 23:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

The reason I ask is
A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session
B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

To continue to add value to the topic, I found out that Windows 11
has a setting for almost exactly what I'm asking for on Windows 10.

Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
[x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

However, on Windows 10, there are registry keys that influence layout.
But only for certain apps, like the Registry Editor itself.
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Regedit
LastKey: Stores the last opened registry path.
View: Stores layout view settings.
Or for the StartMenu Layout: 0#aHKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\CloudStore\Store\Cache\DefaultAccount$de${GUID}$start.tilegrid$windows.data.curatedtilecollection.tilecollection\Current

Apparently for Windows 10, most third-party and system apps store their
window positions in proprietary ways where some are in the registry,
others in config files. Windows itself doesn't appear to offer a
universal registry key to control where all windows open.

What's left are the common third-party utilities like:
DisplayFusion
Actual Window Manager
MultiMonitorTool (by NirSoft)
Group Policy Editor (for enterprise-level layout control)

Since my Windows 10 is Windows 10 Pro, it has the group policy editor. Unfortunately, Group Policy Editor does not offer a built-in setting
to force all windows or apps to open on a specific monitor.

In digging about, I found out the behavior is DIFFERENT for
windows which are resized on a monitor versus maximized.
When a window is maximized, Windows stores it as maximized
rather than saving its exact position and size.

However, if we manually resize and move a window,
Windows stores X/Y coordinates (screen position), Width/height
and Monitor ID (in some cases), which increases the chance
that the app will reopen in the same spot on the same monitor.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 07:55:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

To continue to add value to the topic, I found out that Windows 11
has a setting for almost exactly what I'm asking for on Windows 10.

Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
[x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

Can someone on Windows 11 test this native Windows-11 setting to
let the team know how well it works in a multi-monitor configuration?
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Arlen,

I found out that Windows 11 has a setting for almost exactly
what I'm asking for on Windows 10.

Suggestion: Next time google *before* you think of posting a question.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On 10/08/2025 9:11 am, Marion wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 17:42:21 +0100, Peter Johnson wrote :

Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor
applications pop up on?

There probably isn't any user controllable 'setting or logic' but I
have a triple monitor setup and my programs open on the same screen
they were closed on.

The goal is to seek a Windows setting controlling window locations.

Thanks for letting me know that you have a triple-monitor setup, which is even more complex than the dual monitor my Nvidia card is capable of, and
all your programs open up, in any one boot session, on the last monitor.

I just opened the Tor browser on Monitor 1, and then moved it to Monitor 2, and then closed it on Monitor 2, and then opened it up again from the icon. It opened up the second time on Monitor 2, just like in your experience.

But I opened up CoPilot from the taskbar icon on Monitor 1 and moved it to Monitor 2 and closed it, and when re-opened, it was back on Monitor 1,
which is very much unlike your experience (and more akin to that of mine).

What happens when YOU open up CoPilot on Windows using the icon-creation
a. Right-click on your desktop and choose New > Shortcut
b. In the location field, enter: https://copilot.microsoft.com
c. Click Next, name it 'Copilot' and click Finish
d. Right-click the desktop shortcut and choose Pin to taskbar
e. If desired, change the icon by Properties > Change Icon

And then there's my command window (Runbox > cmd), which *always* opens on Monitor 2 no matter where it was opened, because of the global settings for the command window in the right-click properties popup dialog form of...
Options > Cursor Size = Medium
Font > 36 > CourierNew
Layout > Window Size > Width > 95, Height > 28
Layout > Window Position > Left > 1993, Top > 10
Layout > [_]Let system position windows (is unchecked!)

Notice that last option above is what I was wondering if Windows has.
Is there a "system" setting for where a Window will pop up next?

The reason I ask is
A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session
B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs
where you last closed them??
--
Daniel70
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Daniel70,

Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs where you last closed them??

Very possible. Apps can decide for themselves which monitor, location and size they will (re)-open.

Some programs will even (try to) detect if they are not (wholly) visible (moved off-screen by mistake and than closed, or on a monitor which is currently not active), and reposition themselves.

Other apps will allow you to select your preferred action.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On 2025/8/10 7:44:4, R.Wieser wrote:

[]

Basic logic : why would such programs exist if the OS already has it build-in ?

[]

To be fair (and I hesitate to, where Arlen/Marion/whatever-this-week is concerned, but this is a general principle): I've come across _lots_ of "utilities" - both free and even paid for! - which do things the OS
already can (_sometimes_ in a slightly easier fashion, but not
infrequently not even that).--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I can prove anything with statistics - except the truth.
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J.P. ,

To be fair ... I've come across _lots_ of "utilities" - both free and
even
paid for! - which do things the OS already can.

True. I've even written a few of them myself - just to see if I could (including one which causes browser windows to appear at a certain place in
a certain size).

But in this case it was about locking folder and/or application windows in place using an OS supplied setting. The only thing such an "utility" would have needed to do is to change the apropriate registry setting(s). Which could have been as easy as supplying a .REG file. :-)

... Unless the utility gives some options the OS setting would not have ofcourse.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On 2025-08-09 13:26, Daniel70 wrote:

On 9/08/2025 9:06 pm, R.Wieser wrote:

Daniel70,

But this is Arlen (marion)

"Arlen" <=> "Marion"?? Really?? I hadn't made that connection. ;-( Not
that I go looking for such connection, I just try to help.

He is, absolutely.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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On 2025-08-10 12:57, R.Wieser wrote:

Daniel70,

Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs
where you last closed them??

Very possible. Apps can decide for themselves which monitor, location and size they will (re)-open.

Some programs will even (try to) detect if they are not (wholly) visible (moved off-screen by mistake and than closed, or on a monitor which is currently not active), and reposition themselves.

Other apps will allow you to select your preferred action.

Some apps try to recall where they were running the previous time and
will try to restore that status. Others start fresh. In some apps this
is configurable.

When they start fresh, some will have their own logic, and others will
use whatever Windows chooses for them. Or rather, what the
toolset/runtime they were built with and Windows does.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Carlos,

... others will use whatever Windows chooses for them. Or rather, what the toolset/runtime they were built with and Windows does.

Allmost. Providing the value 0x8000 for X and Y positions will tell Windows to pick a spot.

But yes, the toolset/runtime can also insert/do its own stuff ofcourse.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 12:19:44 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote :

To be fair (and I hesitate to, where Arlen/Marion/whatever-this-week is concerned, but this is a general principle): I've come across _lots_ of "utilities" - both free and even paid for! - which do things the OS
already can (_sometimes_ in a slightly easier fashion, but not
infrequently not even that).--

Responding to the super troll Rudy Wieser is *always* off topic.
It's what sadistic super trolls like Rudy Wieser love to do.

Rudy is all about sadistically knocking every thread off topic.
Then he provokes his own pissing contest created of his own idiocy.

Hence, I didn't want to respond to Rudy's idiotic claim that just because
an app exists means Windows can't do it natively. Once the super troll Rudy Wieser infests a thread, the post count multiples exponentially with his
crap.

The presence of an app doesn't mean Windows can't do it.

Take screenshot apps, for example.
People even *purchase* screenshot apps.
Yet, Windows comes with a screenshot capability.

The classic example is "Windows Classic" by the way.
The Windows XP menu *never* left Windows 10.
<https://i.postimg.cc/D0J1tgDZ/windows-tweak.jpg>

But people think the Windows XP start menu wasn't on Windows 10.
Because it was hidden.

And yet, I literally *copied* my Windows XP menus over to Windows 10.
And the cascade pullout taskbar XP menu works just fine on Windows 10.
Without even changing most of the paths!

They're still working just fine.
Ten, or fifteen years later.
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5K0RL7H/taskbarmenu01.jpg>

My point is simply that Rudy's claim because an app exists, that means
Windows lacks the capability - which is not even close to being true.

I won't respond to Rudy because he's a super troll - the worst kind.
Once Rudy Wieser infests a thread, there is no point in continuing.

If you respond to his trolls, he'll stalk you like a sadistic predator. Forever.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 20:24:01 +1000, Daniel70 wrote :

A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session >> B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs where you last closed them??

Thanks for being constructive on this fundamental Windows 10 question.

I found out by deep digging that Windows 11 has a new global setting...
Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
[x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

But, unfortunately, in Windows 10, each and every application does it the
way it's designed to do it. Which can be different depending on the app.

Even that is capricious in that it does different things based on whether
you resize the window after opening it versus if you make it full size.

And even that is flaky in that some window opening locations are controlled inside the app (such as the common DOS "cmd" window), and yet others are controlled by the registry (believe it or not, such as where the registry editing "regedit" window opens).

Others open up where you last left them as long as you only resized them
and didn't full-size them, but others, like the CoPilot window in my case,
open up always on the main monitor (which I proved by the test below).

1. Open up copilot shortcut (mine pops up on the main monitor).
2. Move it to the second monitor, resize, and close.
3. Open it up again from the taskbar menu shortcut.
4. Drat. It opens up back on the main monitor.

Now try that same sequence but between step 2 and 3, change the definition
of the main monitor (so now the secondary monitory is the main monitor).

Guess where it opens up!
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Arlen,

Rudy is all about sadistically knocking every thread off topic.
Then he provokes his own pissing contest created of his own idiocy.

Hmm, hmmm. Funny that only in your next contribution to this thread you
show some awareness of what I've been posting al along, culminating in the
one a number of hours ago. Yes, an apps placement is fully under the apps control - and has been at least since Win 95.

You know, I could easily conclude that you learned from my posts, and are
now presenting it as the result of your own hard work ...

Hence, I didn't want to respond to Rudy's idiotic claim that just because
an app exists means Windows can't do it natively.

I will again not ask you to quote where I said that - or even hinted at it.

Its, as so often, an attempt at some mud-slinging in a fire-and-forget fashion.

And by the way, don't you think its (again) funny that you posted a question where everything was about file browser windows and apps only introduced in the last line of it (as an after thought?), and now all you are talking
about is apps ? What happened to those file-browser windows ?

Kiddo, I'm quite convinced that your apps (and file-browser windows?)
jumping from one screen to another is a PEBKAC problem. You could do worse than to try to figure out what /you/ do (or have done, including installing software you totally forgot about) that causes it.

Also, Peter Johnson. His 'puter works fine. Why doesn't yours ?

Furthermore: That you claim that apps are jumping around from screen to
screen is rather unbelievable - as, as you just found out, the placement of apps is upto themselves, and the chance that all of them start to
malfunction in the same way is pretty-much, if not totally, zero.

Than again, any sufficiently advanced technology* is indistinguishable from magic^wthe computer having a bug. :-)

* and for some people that bar is placed rather low. Even for people who
claim to be an engeneer. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I think you have noticed by now that that

"> Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
[x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection"

doesn't quite do what you thought it would. ... which you could have known
if you would have googled for what the setting actually does.

And why is it always *we* have to do your checking for you, and than report back to that "team" (of just one) of yours ?



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On 2025/8/11 8:36:39, R.Wieser wrote:

Arlen,

[]

Please, stop responding to him - it'll save your blood pressure!
(Probably easiest to just killfile him, but in case of nymshifting, just ignore.)

For _our_ benefit as well as your own!
--

J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

We're done for the night. I'm off for a cup of tea and some crystal meth.
Only joking. I've had quite enough tea for one day.
- Victoria Coren Mitchell, quoted in RT 2017/10/7013
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 14:01:25 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote :

it'll save your blood pressure!

Always striving to add value in every post, here are apparently the best
window managers for those who want Windows 10 windows to pop up on a
specific monitor (note that Windows 11 doesn't need these managers).

Windows 11 has a dual-monitor native setup which Windows 10 lacks.
Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
[x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

However, for Windows 10, these multi-monitor tools are available.

1. Dual Monitor Tools
Hotkeys to move windows between screens
Mouse control and wallpaper management
Free and open-source, ad-free
<https://dualmonitortool.sourceforge.net/>

2. Microsoft PowerToys (FancyZones)
Create custom zones for snapping windows
Works well across multiple monitors
Free and open-source, ad-free
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/fancyzones>

3. DisplayFusion
Advanced customization for window placement
Multi-monitor taskbars and wallpapers
Window position profiles and macros
Freemium: Free version available, 30-day Pro trial included
<https://www.displayfusion.com/Features/WindowManagement/>

4. SmartWindows
Automatically restores window layouts across monitors
Supports up to 6 monitors
Great for productivity and session recovery
Freemium: Free version with basic features, paid plans available
<https://smartwindows.app/>

5. UltraMon
Adds taskbars to secondary monitors
Display mirroring and shortcuts
Trialware: 30-day free trial, then paid license required
<https://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/overview/>

Note this would have been a decent reference thread had the cockroaches Gilliver & Wieser not infested it with their always-off-topic garbage.

All they can do, is troll. Never can they add value.
Once these super trolls Gilliver & Wieser infest a thread, it's dead.
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