• Text file version of update history list?

    From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Oct 13 05:25:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    TIA

    PS This stumped Copilot even.
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  • From Mr Xi Ji Ping@ping@china.cn to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Oct 13 13:55:16 2025
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    On 13/10/2025 13:25, John C. wrote:
    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    TIA

    PS This stumped Copilot even.


    At command prompt type this:
    wmic qfe list
    Or
    wmic qfe list full

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  • From ...winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Oct 13 11:44:00 2025
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    John C. wrote:
    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    TIA

    PS This stumped Copilot even.

    On your device or from the online Windows Update history web page?
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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Oct 13 12:05:40 2025
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    "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    Run:

    wmic qfe
    or
    wmic qfe list brief

    in an admin cmd shell. The output is not sorted by date nor KB number.
    You can redirect stdout into a file:

    wmic qfe > c:\temp\KBlist.txt

    When you view the file in, say, Notepad, you'll want to turn off line
    wrap. Failed updates are not listed since obviously they didn't
    install. Updates not using Component Based Servicing will not be listed
    for the QFE (Quick Fix Engineering) class. To get those not in the QFE
    list, use Powershell to query the WUA (Windows Update Agent) API, as
    mentioned in:

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70762060/difference-between-wua-iupdatesearcher-and-wmic-qfe

    which mentions to run in Powershell (all in one command line):

    (New-Object -ComObject Microsoft.Update.Session).CreateUpdateSearcher().Search('IsInstalled=1').Updates | Format-Table -AutoSize

    Someone elsewhere mentioned using Get-WUHistory in Powershell, but in
    Win10 22H2 x64 I get back an error of no such cmdlet. However:

    Get-HotFix

    still works in Powershell. Looks like it is a cmdlet to run:

    get-wmiobject -class win32_quickfixengineering

    Then there is BelArc Advisor. It outputs an HTML page that displays in
    your default web browser. At the bottom of the page, click on the "See
    all installed hotfixes" hyperlink. Print (Ctrl+P) the new web page;
    however, in the free version, a watermark gets added to the printout.

    At a command prompt, you can run:

    systeminfo.exe

    which includes a list of hotfixes. Redirect stdout to a file if you
    want to keep the output.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Oct 13 13:55:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Mon, 10/13/2025 8:25 AM, John C. wrote:
    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    TIA

    PS This stumped Copilot even.


    The Reliability Monitor seems to collect a good deal of info.

    Ask CoPilot whether the Reliability Monitor data is available as text.

    In this example, I did a Repair Install on this OS. I was
    expecting, as a result, to see Windows Update activity happening
    after doing this. And you can see some entries, as it patches up.

    But this level of detail, is unlikely to be collected for
    two years worth, and whatever "detail" log exists, would
    have to be captured by you and stored each day, to not
    lose that level of detail.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/7YHMTG9R/Example-Win10-Reliability-Monitor.gif

    Paul
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 04:58:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 25/10/13 08:44 AM, ...winston wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    TIA

    PS This stumped Copilot even.

    On your device or from the online Windows Update history web page?

    On my device.
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 05:11:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    VanguardLH wrote:
    "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    Run:

    wmic qfe
    or
    wmic qfe list brief

    in an admin cmd shell. The output is not sorted by date nor KB number.
    You can redirect stdout into a file:

    wmic qfe > c:\temp\KBlist.txt

    When you view the file in, say, Notepad, you'll want to turn off line
    wrap. Failed updates are not listed since obviously they didn't
    install. Updates not using Component Based Servicing will not be listed
    for the QFE (Quick Fix Engineering) class. To get those not in the QFE
    list, use Powershell to query the WUA (Windows Update Agent) API, as mentioned in:

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70762060/difference-between-wua-iupdatesearcher-and-wmic-qfe

    which mentions to run in Powershell (all in one command line):

    (New-Object -ComObject Microsoft.Update.Session).CreateUpdateSearcher().Search('IsInstalled=1').Updates | Format-Table -AutoSize

    Someone elsewhere mentioned using Get-WUHistory in Powershell, but in
    Win10 22H2 x64 I get back an error of no such cmdlet. However:

    Get-HotFix

    still works in Powershell. Looks like it is a cmdlet to run:

    get-wmiobject -class win32_quickfixengineering

    Then there is BelArc Advisor. It outputs an HTML page that displays in
    your default web browser. At the bottom of the page, click on the "See
    all installed hotfixes" hyperlink. Print (Ctrl+P) the new web page;
    however, in the free version, a watermark gets added to the printout.

    At a command prompt, you can run:

    systeminfo.exe

    which includes a list of hotfixes. Redirect stdout to a file if you
    want to keep the output.

    Thanks very much for your (as usual) well thought out reply, VanguardLH.
    I'll take a look at all that.

    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I wanted by
    doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google
    Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to
    OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 05:15:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 25/10/13 10:55 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 10/13/2025 8:25 AM, John C. wrote:
    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    TIA

    PS This stumped Copilot even.


    The Reliability Monitor seems to collect a good deal of info.

    Ask CoPilot whether the Reliability Monitor data is available as text.

    In this example, I did a Repair Install on this OS. I was
    expecting, as a result, to see Windows Update activity happening
    after doing this. And you can see some entries, as it patches up.

    But this level of detail, is unlikely to be collected for
    two years worth, and whatever "detail" log exists, would
    have to be captured by you and stored each day, to not
    lose that level of detail.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/7YHMTG9R/Example-Win10-Reliability-Monitor.gif

    Paul

    Thanks for that info, Paul, but I'm afraid it didn't show much for my
    system at this point.
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 05:36:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 25/10/14 05:11 AM, John C. wrote:
    VanguardLH wrote:
    "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    Run:

    wmic qfe
    or
    wmic qfe list brief

    in an admin cmd shell. The output is not sorted by date nor KB number.
    You can redirect stdout into a file:

    wmic qfe > c:\temp\KBlist.txt

    When you view the file in, say, Notepad, you'll want to turn off line
    wrap. Failed updates are not listed since obviously they didn't
    install. Updates not using Component Based Servicing will not be listed
    for the QFE (Quick Fix Engineering) class. To get those not in the QFE
    list, use Powershell to query the WUA (Windows Update Agent) API, as
    mentioned in:

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70762060/difference-between-wua-iupdatesearcher-and-wmic-qfe

    which mentions to run in Powershell (all in one command line):

    (New-Object -ComObject Microsoft.Update.Session).CreateUpdateSearcher().Search('IsInstalled=1').Updates | Format-Table -AutoSize

    Someone elsewhere mentioned using Get-WUHistory in Powershell, but in
    Win10 22H2 x64 I get back an error of no such cmdlet. However:

    Get-HotFix

    still works in Powershell. Looks like it is a cmdlet to run:

    get-wmiobject -class win32_quickfixengineering

    Then there is BelArc Advisor. It outputs an HTML page that displays in
    your default web browser. At the bottom of the page, click on the "See
    all installed hotfixes" hyperlink. Print (Ctrl+P) the new web page;
    however, in the free version, a watermark gets added to the printout.

    At a command prompt, you can run:

    systeminfo.exe

    which includes a list of hotfixes. Redirect stdout to a file if you
    want to keep the output.

    Thanks very much for your (as usual) well thought out reply, VanguardLH.
    I'll take a look at all that.

    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I wanted by doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to
    OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.

    What I'm looking for is a way to print a list of everything shown here:

    Settings
    Update & Security
    View update history

    including:
    Quality Updates (I have 19 of them)
    Driver Updates (there are 6 of them)
    Definition Updates (there are 50 of them)
    Other Updates (there are 6 of them)

    Of course, clicking on the angle bracket next to each category converts
    it to a down arrowhead and drops down the list of each category. With
    all of the categories dropped down, the history shows a complete list of
    all updates for my computer. That is what I wanted to be able to save a
    text version of, but the update history at that location doesn't allow
    for that.
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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 15:17:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 14/10/2025 13:36, John C. wrote:
    On 25/10/14 05:11 AM, John C. wrote:
    VanguardLH wrote:
    "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy of
    the Windows 10 update list?

    Run:

    wmic qfe
    or
    wmic qfe list brief

    in an admin cmd shell. The output is not sorted by date nor KB number.
    You can redirect stdout into a file:

    wmic qfe > c:\temp\KBlist.txt

    When you view the file in, say, Notepad, you'll want to turn off line
    wrap. Failed updates are not listed since obviously they didn't
    install. Updates not using Component Based Servicing will not be listed >>> for the QFE (Quick Fix Engineering) class. To get those not in the QFE
    list, use Powershell to query the WUA (Windows Update Agent) API, as
    mentioned in:

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70762060/difference-between-wua-iupdatesearcher-and-wmic-qfe

    which mentions to run in Powershell (all in one command line):

    (New-Object -ComObject Microsoft.Update.Session).CreateUpdateSearcher().Search('IsInstalled=1').Updates | Format-Table -AutoSize

    Someone elsewhere mentioned using Get-WUHistory in Powershell, but in
    Win10 22H2 x64 I get back an error of no such cmdlet. However:

    Get-HotFix

    still works in Powershell. Looks like it is a cmdlet to run:

    get-wmiobject -class win32_quickfixengineering

    Then there is BelArc Advisor. It outputs an HTML page that displays in
    your default web browser. At the bottom of the page, click on the "See
    all installed hotfixes" hyperlink. Print (Ctrl+P) the new web page;
    however, in the free version, a watermark gets added to the printout.

    At a command prompt, you can run:

    systeminfo.exe

    which includes a list of hotfixes. Redirect stdout to a file if you
    want to keep the output.

    Thanks very much for your (as usual) well thought out reply, VanguardLH.
    I'll take a look at all that.

    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I wanted by
    doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google
    Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to
    OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.

    What I'm looking for is a way to print a list of everything shown here:

    Settings
    Update & Security
    View update history

    including:
    Quality Updates (I have 19 of them)
    Driver Updates (there are 6 of them)
    Definition Updates (there are 50 of them)
    Other Updates (there are 6 of them)

    Of course, clicking on the angle bracket next to each category converts
    it to a down arrowhead and drops down the list of each category. With
    all of the categories dropped down, the history shows a complete list of
    all updates for my computer. That is what I wanted to be able to save a
    text version of, but the update history at that location doesn't allow
    for that.


    The easy way is to download this Nirsoft viewer: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/windows_updates_history_viewer.html
    It needs no install, shows everything including failed updates, and will generate a HTML report of all or selected entries.

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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 13:45:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:

    John C. wrote:

    John C. wrote:

    VanguardLH wrote:

    "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Do any of you know of a reliable way to print a complete text copy
    of the Windows 10 update list?

    Run:

    wmic qfe
    or
    wmic qfe list brief
    ...

    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I
    wanted by doing screenshots of the list, then running those images
    through Google Keep's OCR engine.

    What I'm looking for is a way to print a list of everything shown
    here:

    Settings
    Update & Security
    View update history

    The easy way is to download this Nirsoft viewer: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/windows_updates_history_viewer.html

    I've got that one, but forgot about it in my reply. Thanks for the
    reminder. Still works. Nirsoft has a lot of great tools.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 00:38:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/14 13:11:26, John C. wrote:
    []
    Thanks very much for your (as usual) well thought out reply, VanguardLH.
    I'll take a look at all that.
    (As someone else has pointed out - and VLH has agreed, having forgotten
    about it - there's a NirSoft utility that can do what John C. wanted. I
    have no experience of that particular one, but I agree NirSoft utilities normally do what they're supposed to, and do it well.)

    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I wanted by doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google> Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to
    OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.

    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page, https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 00:51:09 2025
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    On 2025/10/15 0:38:26, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/14 13:11:26, John C. wrote:
    []
    doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google
    Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to>> OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.

    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page, https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)


    I should have remembered to say I crop (Ctrl-Y) to the bit of the image
    I want to OCR before pressing F9; I don't think it makes any difference
    to the accuracy of the OCR, just it excludes spurious extra characters.
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Oct 14 21:08:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/14/2025 7:38 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/14 13:11:26, John C. wrote:

    []


    Thanks very much for your (as usual) well thought out reply, VanguardLH.
    I'll take a look at all that.

    (As someone else has pointed out - and VLH has agreed, having forgotten
    about it - there's a NirSoft utility that can do what John C. wanted. I
    have no experience of that particular one, but I agree NirSoft utilities normally do what they're supposed to, and do it well.)


    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I wanted by
    doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google
    Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to
    OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.

    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page, https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)


    Even if you can get it as an image PDF file, you can still use Irfanview
    to OCR it. There are two ways. On you can use the camera function of
    Adobe Reader to cut the section you want to OCR, paste it into
    Irfanview, and then run the OCR on it.

    The second way is to load the PDF file directly into Irfanveiw and
    running the OCR on it.

    I have used both the Tesseract OCR (64bit) plugin and the OCR_KADMOS
    (32bit) plugins. Both do a great job of converting an image to text.
    One note: To get the best OCR, you sometimes have to zoom in on the text
    in question to get it as big as possible.
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  • From Mr Xi Ji Ping@ping@china.cn to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 05:18:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 14/10/2025 13:36, John C. wrote:
    Take back the tech
    companies from India & industry from China.
    Google is investing $15 billion in India. This was announced by Sundar
    Pichai, the CEO of Alphabet, after he met the Indian Prime Minister.
    This marks the beginning of the migration of the AI hub outside of the
    US, meaning Indians won't have to travel there or to the UK. Indians are
    at the heart of the AI revolution.

    I suggest you read a paper about 'creative destruction'. The 2025 Nobel
    Prize winners in economics have highlighted why India will be crucial
    for global growth over the next 30 years. The two educational videos are available at the following links:


    <https://youtu.be/sAzwoHCg_8s?si=MmSTvYgTd_AkCkoU>

    <https://youtu.be/y0Mj_wkUSaw?si=Gfr-yVEJ7rtWSwSN>


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 02:02:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Tue, 10/14/2025 9:08 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/14/2025 7:38 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/14 13:11:26, John C. wrote:

    []


    Thanks very much for your (as usual) well thought out reply, VanguardLH. >>> I'll take a look at all that.

    (As someone else has pointed out - and VLH has agreed, having forgotten
    about it - there's a NirSoft utility that can do what John C. wanted. I
    have no experience of that particular one, but I agree NirSoft utilities
    normally do what they're supposed to, and do it well.)


    In the mean time, I was able to more or less accomplish what I wanted by >>> doing screenshots of the list, then running those images through Google
    Keep's OCR engine.

    It's an online service, of course, but IME it's a very accurate way to
    OCR images and did a reasonably good job for me here.

    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course
    _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)


    Even if you can get it as an image PDF file, you can still use Irfanview to OCR it.-a-a There are two ways.-a On you can use the camera function of Adobe Reader to cut the section you want to OCR, paste it into Irfanview, and then run the OCR on it.

    The second way is to load the PDF file directly into Irfanveiw and running the OCR on it.

    I have used both the Tesseract OCR (64bit) plugin and the OCR_KADMOS (32bit) plugins.-a Both do a great job of converting an image to text. One note: To get the best OCR, you sometimes have to zoom in on the text in question to get it as big as possible.

    From MDL

    https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/how-to-read-datastore-edb.68418/page-2

    "xinso, you can run

    ESEDatabaseView.exe /table DataStore.edb tbFiles /scomma DataStore.csv

    to export the tbFiles table as a csv file. You then need to take the Urls column,
    convert the hex data to bytes and parse it as a list of URLs. I haven't figured out
    the exact format that is used but for the beginning you could just look for "http"
    and read until the null-terminator. Or ask Nir Sofer how he implemented the
    "Show Binary URL As String" option.

    Code: [This would go in a funny.ps1 text file, for running like it was a .bat under Powershell]
    [In a Powershell window, you would use .\funny.ps1 and
    as long as the DataStore.csv was in the current working directory
    you would get some kind of output.]

    .\funny.ps1 > DataStore.out.txt

    $csv = Import-Csv .\DataStore.csv


    foreach ($urlData in $csv.Urls)
    {
    if ($urlData.Length -ne 0)
    {
    $bytes = $urlData.Split(" ") | foreach { [Convert]::ToByte($_, 16) }
    $url = [System.Text.Encoding]::Unicode.GetString($bytes)
    $url = $url.Substring($url.IndexOf("http"))
    $url = $url.Substring(0, $url.IndexOf("`0"))
    $url
    }
    }

    "
    We can start with the first three entries. First examine the start of DataStore.csv .
    First it shows header definitions. Then it shows the CSV content. A number of fields
    at the end of each entry, are null so the commas are slapped next to each other.

    IdFileLocal,Size,Modified,RefCount,DownloadMgrRefCount,ExpireDate,DownloadStatus,PatchingType,Digest,
    DigestAlgorithm,StrongDigest,StrongDigestALgorithm,Name,LocalTargetPath,Urls,EulaLanguage,EulaId,
    SecurityData,EsrpDecryptionInformation,InstallerSpecificIdentifier,PiecesHashUrl,PiecesHashDigest,
    PiecesHashDigestAlgorithm,BlockMapUrl,BlockMapDigest,BlockMapDigestAlgorithm
    1,5124128,00 36 10 E4 C5 E2 D5 01,1,1,FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF,0,0,04 56 E6 71 9C 3E E0 98 AF 03 B7 85 23 0A C0 20 64 3F A1 AC,
    SHA1,57 BD 19 DA 0C E4 63 09 9C 76 DD C2 4C D3 91 69 D2 22 38 FC CE 44 E6 6B 10 2D 1F EE 8E 3D 62 5A 00,
    SHA256,UpdatePlatform.exe,,04 00 26 01 B4 F4 82 94 43 E3 B6 43 B1 70 9A 65 BC 82 2C 77 68 00 74 00 74 00 70
    00 3A 00 2F 00 2F 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2E 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64 00 6F 00 77
    00 73 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2E 00 63 00 6F 00 6D 00 2F 00 63 00 2F 00 6D 00 73 00 64 00 6F
    00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2F 00 73 00 6F 00 66 00 74
    00 77 00 61 00 72 00 65 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 74 00 2F 00 32 00 30 00 32 00 30 00 2F 00 30 00 32 00 2F
    00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 70 00 6C 00 61 00 74 00 66 00 6F 00 72 00 6D 00 5F 00 30 00 34 00 35
    00 36 00 65 00 36 00 37 00 31 00 39 00 63 00 33 00 65 00 65 00 30 00 39 00 38 00 61 00 66 00 30 00 33 00 62
    00 37 00 38 00 35 00 32 00 33 00 30 00 61 00 63 00 30 00 32 00 30 00 36 00 34 00 33 00 66 00 61 00 31 00 61
    00 63 00 2E 00 65 00 78 00 65 00 00 00 61 00 18 F9 71 79 47 A8 30 44 92 79 4A 52 D1 EF E1 8D 68 00 74 00 74
    00 70 00 3A 00 2F 00 2F 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2E 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64 00 6F
    00 77 00 73 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2E 00 63 00 6F 00 6D 00 2F 00 63 00 2F 00 6D 00 73 00 64
    00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2F 00 73 00 6F 00 66
    00 74 00 77 00 61 00 72 00 65 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 74 00 2F 00 32 00 30 00 32 00 30 00 2F 00 30 00 32
    00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 70 00 6C 00 61 00 74 00 66 00 6F 00 72 00 6D 00 5F 00 30 00 34
    00 35 00 36 00 65 00 36 00 37 00 31 00 39 00 63 00 33 00 65 00 65 00 30 00 39 00 38 00 61 00 66 00 30 00 33
    00 62 00 37 00 38 00 35 00 32 00 33 00 30 00 61 00 63 00 30 00 32 00 30 00 36 00 34 00 33 00 66 00 61 00 31
    00 61 00 63 00 2E 00 65 00 78 00 65 00 00 00 70 00,,,,,,,,,,,

    2,79741050,80 8D 70 22 67 89 DB 01,1,1,FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF,0,1,26 F4 72 3D 4A 8D B5 1B D2 54 5E 8B 73 59 D2 A0 19 8B 87 64,
    SHA1,8F D1 53 14 9B A2 0B 70 5E 38 20 9F 86 98 EE CE 1A EC B2 4B 05 47 27 B3 5C EE F4 C4 FC 8E EF BF 00,
    SHA256,Windows10.0-KB5054977-x64-NDP48.cab,,04 00 48 01 B4 F4 82 94 43 E3 B6 43 B1 70 9A 65 BC 82 2C 77 68 00 74
    00 74 00 70 00 3A 00 2F 00 2F 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2E 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64
    00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2E 00 63 00 6F 00 6D 00 2F 00 64 00 2F 00 6D 00 73
    00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2F 00 73 00 6F
    00 66 00 74 00 77 00 61 00 72 00 65 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 74 00 2F 00 32 00 30 00 32 00 35 00 2F 00 30
    00 32 00 2F 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 31 00 30 00 2E 00 30 00 2D 00 6B 00 62 00 35 00 30
    00 35 00 34 00 39 00 37 00 37 00 2D 00 78 00 36 00 34 00 2D 00 6E 00 64 00 70 00 34 00 38 00 5F 00 32 00 36
    00 66 00 34 00 37 00 32 00 33 00 64 00 34 00 61 00 38 00 64 00 62 00 35 00 31 00 62 00 64 00 32 00 35 00 34
    00 35 00 65 00 38 00 62 00 37 00 33 00 35 00 39 00 64 00 32 00 61 00 30 00 31 00 39 00 38 00 62 00 38 00 37
    00 36 00 34 00 2E 00 63 00 61 00 62 00 00 00 00 00 18 F9 71 79 47 A8 30 44 92 79 4A 52 D1 EF E1 8D 68 00 74
    00 74 00 70 00 3A 00 2F 00 2F 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2E 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64
    00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2E 00 63 00 6F 00 6D 00 2F 00 64 00 2F 00 6D 00 73
    00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2F 00 73 00 6F
    00 66 00 74 00 77 00 61 00 72 00 65 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 74 00 2F 00 32 00 30 00 32 00 35 00 2F 00 30
    00 32 00 2F 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 31 00 30 00 2E 00 30 00 2D 00 6B 00 62 00 35 00 30
    00 35 00 34 00 39 00 37 00 37 00 2D 00 78 00 36 00 34 00 2D 00 6E 00 64 00 70 00 34 00 38 00 5F 00 32 00 36
    00 66 00 34 00 37 00 32 00 33 00 64 00 34 00 61 00 38 00 64 00 62 00 35 00 31 00 62 00 64 00 32 00 35 00 34
    00 35 00 65 00 38 00 62 00 37 00 33 00 35 00 39 00 64 00 32 00 61 00 30 00 31 00 39 00 38 00 62 00 38 00 37
    00 36 00 34 00 2E 00 63 00 61 00 62 00 00 00 00 00,,,,,,,,,,,

    3,79663230,00 7F 7F 50 09 48 DB 01,1,1,FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF,0,1,65 3C 29 4E 12 88 92 24 30 D9 BE 4C E2 A8 0B 9C CB C4 42 47,
    SHA1,6A 36 8C 41 75 7B 15 F9 40 72 BD FF A6 D1 FB BE 92 4D F2 63 C2 9F 20 9C 4F ED F7 6A 3A 35 76 C5 00,
    SHA256,Windows10.0-KB5049613-x64-NDP48.cab,,04 00 48 01 B4 F4 82 94 43 E3 B6 43 B1 70 9A 65 BC 82 2C 77 68
    00 74 00 74 00 70 00 3A 00 2F 00 2F 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2E 00 77 00 69 00 6E
    00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2E 00 63 00 6F 00 6D 00 2F 00 64 00 2F 00 6D
    00 73 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2F 00 73
    00 6F 00 66 00 74 00 77 00 61 00 72 00 65 00 2F 00 73 00 65 00 63 00 75 00 2F 00 32 00 30 00 32 00 34 00 2F
    00 31 00 32 00 2F 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 31 00 30 00 2E 00 30 00 2D 00 6B 00 62 00 35
    00 30 00 34 00 39 00 36 00 31 00 33 00 2D 00 78 00 36 00 34 00 2D 00 6E 00 64 00 70 00 34 00 38 00 5F 00 36
    00 35 00 33 00 63 00 32 00 39 00 34 00 65 00 31 00 32 00 38 00 38 00 39 00 32 00 32 00 34 00 33 00 30 00 64
    00 39 00 62 00 65 00 34 00 63 00 65 00 32 00 61 00 38 00 30 00 62 00 39 00 63 00 63 00 62 00 63 00 34 00 34
    00 32 00 34 00 37 00 2E 00 63 00 61 00 62 00 00 00 65 00 18 F9 71 79 47 A8 30 44 92 79 4A 52 D1 EF E1 8D 68
    00 74 00 74 00 70 00 3A 00 2F 00 2F 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2E 00 77 00 69 00 6E
    00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2E 00 63 00 6F 00 6D 00 2F 00 64 00 2F 00 6D
    00 73 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 6E 00 6C 00 6F 00 61 00 64 00 2F 00 75 00 70 00 64 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 2F 00 73
    00 6F 00 66 00 74 00 77 00 61 00 72 00 65 00 2F 00 73 00 65 00 63 00 75 00 2F 00 32 00 30 00 32 00 34 00 2F
    00 31 00 32 00 2F 00 77 00 69 00 6E 00 64 00 6F 00 77 00 73 00 31 00 30 00 2E 00 30 00 2D 00 6B 00 62 00 35
    00 30 00 34 00 39 00 36 00 31 00 33 00 2D 00 78 00 36 00 34 00 2D 00 6E 00 64 00 70 00 34 00 38 00 5F 00 36
    00 35 00 33 00 63 00 32 00 39 00 34 00 65 00 31 00 32 00 38 00 38 00 39 00 32 00 32 00 34 00 33 00 30 00 64
    00 39 00 62 00 65 00 34 00 63 00 65 00 32 00 61 00 38 00 30 00 62 00 39 00 63 00 63 00 62 00 63 00 34 00 34
    00 32 00 34 00 37 00 2E 00 63 00 61 00 62 00 00 00 66 00,,,,,,,,,,,

    While the presumed output of DataStore.out.txt ("URLs field") for these three chunks is this, for at least a
    portion of the hex encoded section. For example "00 63 00 61 00 62" near the end, is "cab" in ASCII.

    http://download.windowsupdate.com/c/msdownload/update/software/updt/2020/02/updateplatform_0456e6719c3ee098af03b785230ac020643fa1ac.exe
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/updt/2025/02/windows10.0-kb5054977-x64-ndp48_26f4723d4a8db51bd2545e8b7359d2a0198b8764.cab
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2024/12/windows10.0-kb5049613-x64-ndp48_653c294e1288922430d9be4ce2a80b9ccbc44247.cab

    Not all the URLs are nice looking. Most of them are crap like this.

    http://tlu.dl.delivery.mp.microsoft.com/filestreamingservice/files/3d05982a-71ea-4c9e-917a-b8b90f9afd4c?P1=1760204666&P2=404&P3=2&P4=jH2z64Z0nNSxB4D2wzk6F6N6rQLrGzfv8xE46NiQ0k6qXkTWyJ8xCo%2frtgConiF8xyIncz8p17SwfkNoXNRQ1Q%3d%3d

    Paul
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 05:06:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    MikeS wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    (snip)
    What I'm looking for is a way to print a list of everything shown here:

    Settings
    -a-a Update & Security
    -a-a-a-a View update history

    including:
    -a-a Quality Updates (I have 19 of them)
    -a-a Driver Updates (there are 6 of them)
    -a-a Definition Updates (there are 50 of them)
    -a-a Other Updates (there are 6 of them)

    Of course, clicking on the angle bracket next to each category converts
    it to a down arrowhead and drops down the list of each category. With
    all of the categories dropped down, the history shows a complete list of
    all updates for my computer. That is what I wanted to be able to save a
    text version of, but the update history at that location doesn't allow
    for that.

    The easy way is to download this Nirsoft viewer: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/windows_updates_history_viewer.html
    It needs no install, shows everything including failed updates, and will generate a HTML report of all or selected entries.

    Copilot recommended that yesterday. I downloaded it and set it up on my computer, then promptly got distracted somehow and forgot to check it out!

    After removing some of the columns which contain info I don't need at
    this point, I can select them all and then copy the list to the
    clipboard to paste into a word processor. Thanks for mentioning and
    reminding me about it Mike. It's exactly what I was looking for!
    --
    John C. I filter crossposts, various trolls & dizum.com. Doing this
    makes this newsgroup easier to read & more on-topic. Take back the tech companies from India & industry from China.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 14:33:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    [...]
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page, https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    Thanks for that tip. Can you check (Help -> Installed Plugins...)
    *which* plugin you use, the OCR.Dll one ('OCR using Tesseract OCR') or
    the OCR_KADMOS one (<https://www.irfanview.info/plugins/kadmos/>?

    I tried the OCR_KADMOS one (in old 4.60 IrfanView 32-bit), but that
    did not seem too work too well.

    I have now updated to version 4.72 and am installing 'Tesseract', but
    that seems a bit overwhelming (which components (not) to install?
    "Space required 255.4MB"! (isn't IrfanView supposed to be
    lean-and-mean?), etc.)
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 10:51:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/15/2025 10:33 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    [...]
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course
    _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    Thanks for that tip. Can you check (Help -> Installed Plugins...)
    *which* plugin you use, the OCR.Dll one ('OCR using Tesseract OCR') or
    the OCR_KADMOS one (<https://www.irfanview.info/plugins/kadmos/>?

    I tried the OCR_KADMOS one (in old 4.60 IrfanView 32-bit), but that
    did not seem too work too well.

    I have now updated to version 4.72 and am installing 'Tesseract', but
    that seems a bit overwhelming (which components (not) to install?
    "Space required 255.4MB"! (isn't IrfanView supposed to be
    lean-and-mean?), etc.)
    There are different meanings of space required. One is the space on
    the disk which for Tesseract is 83.4 MB. I believe that the 255 MB is
    the approximation of the maximum space that the program will need as it converts the image to the text.

    the 83.4 MB is the space used on my installation of irfanview version
    4.72 64 MG
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 18:19:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/15 15:51:3, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 10:33 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    [...]
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course >>> _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get >>> a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    Thanks for that tip. Can you check (Help -> Installed Plugins...)
    *which* plugin you use, the OCR.Dll one ('OCR using Tesseract OCR') or>> the OCR_KADMOS one (<https://www.irfanview.info/plugins/kadmos/>?
    I've never used that function before! It lists a lot of plugins, about
    half of which are ticked. Of the two you mention, only OCR.DLL is listed
    at all (and it is of course ticked).

    I tried the OCR_KADMOS one (in old 4.60 IrfanView 32-bit), but that>> did not seem too work too well.
    Well, whichever one I'm using (The Tesseract one, according to what you
    say above) works well enough for me since I realised it was there*, but
    I've not thrown anything too taxing at it - mainly screenshots (which
    it's more or less perfect at, as it should be!) and record labels (which
    it has also done fine apart from a few extra spaces, provided I cropped
    well enough to stop it "reading the furniture" as the Ronnies had it.>>
    I have now updated to version 4.72 and am installing 'Tesseract', but
    that seems a bit overwhelming (which components (not) to install?
    "Space required 255.4MB"! (isn't IrfanView supposed to be
    lean-and-mean?), etc.)
    Hmm! Well, as I say below, it _seems_ that OCR.DLL on my system is 1.13
    MB. Whether it uses more space elsewhere when it's running, I have no
    idea. (I _am_ using the 32-bit versions; I don't know if that makes any difference. As to _why_, I can't remember - I have vague memory of
    reading somewhere [maybe somewhere on the IV website itself?] that
    certain things aren't completely working in the 64-bit versions.)
    I just run iviewxxx_setup.exe, then iviewxxx_plugins_setup.exe, when it
    tells me there's a new version. For xxx=472, they're 3,482 and 21,988 KB respectively; OK, the plugins isn't as small as it could be, but still
    not that big given it contains _lots_ of plugins. And I don't know when
    I'm using a plugin, but day-to-day use it seems pretty nippy, still: I'm
    rarely aware of having to wait for it, except where it's obvious that
    it's the size of the image (or mp3, or video) it's handling that's the
    reason.
    There are different meanings of space required. One is the space on
    the disk which for Tesseract is 83.4 MB. I believe that the 255 MB is > the approximation of the maximum space that the program will need as it
    converts the image to the text.

    the 83.4 MB is the space used on my installation of irfanview version
    4.72 64 MG
    My Program Files (x86)\IrfanView directory is 50.5 megabytes, of which
    47.7 is the Plugins one; within that, the two largest are CADImage.dll
    (6.38) and Ecw.dll (5.79). Ocr.dll is 1.13. (Figures using Steffen
    Gerlach's "scanner", from http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ .
    Despite its age, works fine - and fairly fast - in W10. [Windirstat is
    better, but _far_ slower.])
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 18:32:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/15 15:51:3, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 10:33 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    [...]
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it >>> seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course >>> _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get >>> a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    Thanks for that tip. Can you check (Help -> Installed Plugins...)
    *which* plugin you use, the OCR.Dll one ('OCR using Tesseract OCR') or
    the OCR_KADMOS one (<https://www.irfanview.info/plugins/kadmos/>?

    I've never used that function before! It lists a lot of plugins, about
    half of which are ticked. Of the two you mention, only OCR.DLL is listed
    at all (and it is of course ticked).

    I tried the OCR_KADMOS one (in old 4.60 IrfanView 32-bit), but that
    did not seem too work too well.

    Well, whichever one I'm using (The Tesseract one, according to what you
    say above) works well enough for me since I realised it was there*, but
    I've not thrown anything too taxing at it - mainly screenshots (which
    it's more or less perfect at, as it should be!) and record labels (which
    it has also done fine apart from a few extra spaces, provided I cropped
    well enough to stop it "reading the furniture" as the Ronnies had it.>>

    I have now updated to version 4.72 and am installing 'Tesseract', but >> that seems a bit overwhelming (which components (not) to install?
    "Space required 255.4MB"! (isn't IrfanView supposed to be
    lean-and-mean?), etc.)

    Hmm! Well, as I say below, it _seems_ that OCR.DLL on my system is 1.13
    MB.

    No, I mean when installing, the *Tesseract* software says it needs
    255.4MB.

    The IrfanView Plugins page says:

    "OCR - (version 4.67.4): adds OCR features to IrfanView PlugIn, requires Tesseract OCR from: https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki"

    And indeed without that software, IrfanView's 'Start OCR...(Plugin)'
    function complains about Tesseract being absent. ("OCR engine not set
    (use Settings button)" and the Settings button says "Tesseract not
    found!" (it says it's looking for Tesseract.exe).)

    Can you see in (Control Panel -> Programs ->) 'Programs and Features'
    if you have the Tesseract software and if so what the 'Size' column
    says?

    [...]

    There are different meanings of space required. One is the space on
    the disk which for Tesseract is 83.4 MB. I believe that the 255 MB is
    the approximation of the maximum space that the program will need as it converts the image to the text.

    See, here Keith (Nuttle) mentions Tesseract, so he has it. But do you
    (John) have it?

    the 83.4 MB is the space used on my installation of irfanview version
    4.72 64 MG

    My Program Files (x86)\IrfanView directory is 50.5 megabytes, of which
    47.7 is the Plugins one; within that, the two largest are CADImage.dll
    (6.38) and Ecw.dll (5.79). Ocr.dll is 1.13. (Figures using Steffen
    Gerlach's "scanner", from http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ .
    Despite its age, works fine - and fairly fast - in W10. [Windirstat is better, but _far_ slower.])

    Yes, my (32-bit) IrfanView and Plugins also use about 50.5MB.

    But I'm concerned about / interested in, the need for Tesseract and
    *its* (installed) size.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 20:02:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/15 19:32:3, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    []
    Hmm! Well, as I say below, it _seems_ that OCR.DLL on my system is 1.13
    MB.

    No, I mean when installing, the *Tesseract* software says it needs
    255.4MB.

    The IrfanView Plugins page says:

    "OCR - (version 4.67.4): adds OCR features to IrfanView PlugIn, requires Tesseract OCR from: https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki"

    And indeed without that software, IrfanView's 'Start OCR...(Plugin)' function complains about Tesseract being absent. ("OCR engine not set
    (use Settings button)" and the Settings button says "Tesseract not
    found!" (it says it's looking for Tesseract.exe).)

    Can you see in (Control Panel -> Programs ->) 'Programs and Features'> if you have the Tesseract software and if so what the 'Size' column
    says?
    Interesting. I seem to have downloaded IV 4.72 installer - and matching
    plugin installer - 2025-5-15. Putting Tesseract into Everything, I see I downloaded tesseract-ocr-w32-setup-v5.3.0.20221214.exe 2025-7-14
    (probably when I first tried to use it and got the message you
    describe), and that's 51,122 KB. I also see I have tesseract.exe (dated 2022-12-14), size 1,245 KB, but I don't know what's with it ... yes, the Tesseract-OCR directory is 908 MB! 608 of that is a subdirectory called tessdata; of _that_, 329 is a sub called script, of which the largest
    part by far is a file called Latin.traineddata (85.2).
    Checking in the way you describe, I find "Tesseract-OCR - open source
    OCR engine", apparently installed 2025/7/14, but the size column is
    blank for that line. (The version is as in the name of the setup file,
    and it says the Publisher is Tesseract-OCR community.)>
    [...]

    There are different meanings of space required. One is the space on
    the disk which for Tesseract is 83.4 MB. I believe that the 255 MB is
    the approximation of the maximum space that the program will need as it >>> converts the image to the text.

    See, here Keith (Nuttle) mentions Tesseract, so he has it. But do you> (John) have it?

    the 83.4 MB is the space used on my installation of irfanview version
    4.72 64 MG

    My Program Files (x86)\IrfanView directory is 50.5 megabytes, of which>> 47.7 is the Plugins one; within that, the two largest are CADImage.dll>> (6.38) and Ecw.dll (5.79). Ocr.dll is 1.13. (Figures using Steffen
    Gerlach's "scanner", from http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ .
    Despite its age, works fine - and fairly fast - in W10. [Windirstat is>> better, but _far_ slower.])

    Yes, my (32-bit) IrfanView and Plugins also use about 50.5MB.

    But I'm concerned about / interested in, the need for Tesseract and
    *its* (installed) size.
    So if size has anything to do with it, it's no wonder the OCR works
    well! (But I don't believe in that mapping.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 19:19:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/15 19:32:3, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [...]
    Can you see in (Control Panel -> Programs ->) 'Programs and Features'
    if you have the Tesseract software and if so what the 'Size' column
    says?

    Interesting. I seem to have downloaded IV 4.72 installer - and matching plugin installer - 2025-5-15. Putting Tesseract into Everything, I see I downloaded tesseract-ocr-w32-setup-v5.3.0.20221214.exe 2025-7-14
    (probably when I first tried to use it and got the message you
    describe), and that's 51,122 KB. I also see I have tesseract.exe (dated 2022-12-14), size 1,245 KB, but I don't know what's with it ... yes, the Tesseract-OCR directory is 908 MB! 608 of that is a subdirectory called tessdata; of _that_, 329 is a sub called script, of which the largest
    part by far is a file called Latin.traineddata (85.2).

    Thanks! Wow! Nearly a gigabyte! That's a whole other story, also
    backup wise.

    I think I'll first try Paul's OCR with Snipping Tool (Windows 11
    only?) method or/and try the 'old' OCR_KADMOS method, before trying the
    huge Tesseract thing.

    Checking in the way you describe, I find "Tesseract-OCR - open source
    OCR engine", apparently installed 2025/7/14, but the size column is
    blank for that line. (The version is as in the name of the setup file,
    and it says the Publisher is Tesseract-OCR community.)>

    [...]

    So if size has anything to do with it, it's no wonder the OCR works
    well! (But I don't believe in that mapping.)

    What do you mean by "(But I don't believe in that mapping.)"? Which
    'mapping?

    Thanks again for your help.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 23:28:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/15 20:19:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    []

    Thanks! Wow! Nearly a gigabyte! That's a whole other story, also
    backup wise.

    I think I'll first try Paul's OCR with Snipping Tool (Windows 11
    only?) method or/and try the 'old' OCR_KADMOS method, before trying the
    huge Tesseract thing.

    It _does_ seem to work well, though I haven't really taxed it yet.


    Checking in the way you describe, I find "Tesseract-OCR - open source
    OCR engine", apparently installed 2025/7/14, but the size column is
    blank for that line. (The version is as in the name of the setup file,
    and it says the Publisher is Tesseract-OCR community.)>

    [...]

    So if size has anything to do with it, it's no wonder the OCR works
    well! (But I don't believe in that mapping.)

    What do you mean by "(But I don't believe in that mapping.)"? Which 'mapping?

    Thanks again for your help.
    Sorry, I just re-read my post and agree that wasn't clear. I meant, I
    don't agree "big is good" - in fact most of the time the opposite.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Our thorny national debate about Brexit could turn out to be irrelevant.
    Sooner or later the EU as we know it may no longer be there for us to leave.
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 19:57:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/15/2025 3:19 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/15 19:32:3, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [...]
    Can you see in (Control Panel -> Programs ->) 'Programs and Features' >>> if you have the Tesseract software and if so what the 'Size' column
    says?

    Interesting. I seem to have downloaded IV 4.72 installer - and matching
    plugin installer - 2025-5-15. Putting Tesseract into Everything, I see I
    downloaded tesseract-ocr-w32-setup-v5.3.0.20221214.exe 2025-7-14
    (probably when I first tried to use it and got the message you
    describe), and that's 51,122 KB. I also see I have tesseract.exe (dated
    2022-12-14), size 1,245 KB, but I don't know what's with it ... yes, the
    Tesseract-OCR directory is 908 MB! 608 of that is a subdirectory called
    tessdata; of _that_, 329 is a sub called script, of which the largest
    part by far is a file called Latin.traineddata (85.2).

    Thanks! Wow! Nearly a gigabyte! That's a whole other story, also
    backup wise.

    I think I'll first try Paul's OCR with Snipping Tool (Windows 11
    only?) method or/and try the 'old' OCR_KADMOS method, before trying the
    huge Tesseract thing.

    Checking in the way you describe, I find "Tesseract-OCR - open source
    OCR engine", apparently installed 2025/7/14, but the size column is
    blank for that line. (The version is as in the name of the setup file,
    and it says the Publisher is Tesseract-OCR community.)>

    [...]

    So if size has anything to do with it, it's no wonder the OCR works
    well! (But I don't believe in that mapping.)

    What do you mean by "(But I don't believe in that mapping.)"? Which 'mapping?

    Thanks again for your help.

    KN: the sizes that I quoted come from the folder properties for the
    folder in C:\Program Files\Tesseract-OCR. I did not see any
    Tesseract-OCR folders in the User\username\AppData folders.

    What if you delete Irfanview completely. Remove the folders for
    Tesseract-OCR and Irfanview in the Program Data folder and the folder C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\IrfanView.

    It is possible if you have update Irfanview and Tesseract-OCR several
    times that some residual trash has collected in the folders.

    When your computer is clean of Irfanview, restart computer and do a
    complete reinstall of Irfanview, Plugins and Tesseract-OCR.

    PS I did not know that Tesseract-OCR was in the main plugin file for Irfanview. I have always found it on the Plugins page on the Irfanview website and installed it from there.
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 20:01:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/15/2025 7:57 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 3:19 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/15 19:32:3, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [...]
    -a-a Can you see in (Control Panel -> Programs ->) 'Programs and
    Features'
    if you have the Tesseract software and if so what the 'Size' column
    says?

    Interesting. I seem to have downloaded IV 4.72 installer - and matching
    plugin installer - 2025-5-15. Putting Tesseract into Everything, I see I >>> downloaded tesseract-ocr-w32-setup-v5.3.0.20221214.exe 2025-7-14
    (probably when I first tried to use it and got the message you
    describe), and that's 51,122 KB. I also see I have tesseract.exe (dated
    2022-12-14), size 1,245 KB, but I don't know what's with it ... yes, the >>> Tesseract-OCR directory is 908 MB! 608 of that is a subdirectory called
    tessdata; of _that_, 329 is a sub called script, of which the largest
    part by far is a file called Latin.traineddata (85.2).

    -a-a Thanks! Wow! Nearly a gigabyte! That's a whole other story, also
    backup wise.

    -a-a I think I'll first try Paul's OCR with Snipping Tool (Windows 11
    only?) method or/and try the 'old' OCR_KADMOS method, before trying the
    huge Tesseract thing.

    Checking in the way you describe, I find "Tesseract-OCR - open source
    OCR engine", apparently installed 2025/7/14, but the size column is
    blank for that line. (The version is as in the name of the setup file,
    and it says the Publisher is Tesseract-OCR community.)>

    [...]

    So if size has anything to do with it, it's no wonder the OCR works
    well! (But I don't believe in that mapping.)

    -a-a What do you mean by "(But I don't believe in that mapping.)"? Which
    'mapping?

    -a-a Thanks again for your help.

    KN: the sizes that I quoted come from the folder properties for the
    folder in C:\Program Files\Tesseract-OCR.-a I did not see any Tesseract-
    OCR folders in the User\username\AppData-a folders.

    What if you delete Irfanview completely.-a Remove the folders for Tesseract-OCR and Irfanview in the Program Data folder and the folder C: \Users\username\AppData\Roaming\IrfanView.

    It is possible if you have update Irfanview and Tesseract-OCR several
    times that some residual trash has collected in the folders.

    When your computer is clean of Irfanview, restart computer and do a
    complete reinstall of Irfanview, Plugins and Tesseract-OCR.

    PS I did not know that Tesseract-OCR was in the main plugin file for Irfanview.-a-a I have always found it on the Plugins page on the Irfanview website and installed it from there.
    KN: my version of Tesseract-OCR is 5.5.0.20241111
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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 00:02:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    ...
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page, https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    I didn't know about this IrfanView feature plugin. So I installed https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/releases/download/5.5.0/tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe
    from https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki, and tried a screen
    shot of https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki web page. However,
    I get:

    "? ? ? 0 ? ? ?? ganudmmmsensu????enesse?s ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ?

    ??????????????? ??? a ?????????????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ????????? ???? ?? ???? ?s? ?en ?? pp

    ?

    ? o m ?

    ? sman ???? ?????? ???s psgs ??? ?? ?? 2cm? ?? ???????

    ?

    ???s?ract at ??????? ??nnh??m ?? ?????

    rmd ? pagen

    me ?a??h?rm unensny many pus ??????h?s?? usss ???s???? ??? psenm ??????? rengnmen

    rocn ? ????? chmuer rengnmen ?? mmenn seenn ranspapers ??g??r?? ??? ???????

    preussschs sraasreneng oenscen ??sch???sgs??? me ???????? resuns enh ??????? nen men ?e??e?? ?? us ??????

    ????? moooo passs ??? mmens ??????? ?e??e?? m????????

    ???mdens

    ??sserad 5nstaner ??? ?????d????s ?e??e?? mendssor

    msuen pnms

    renenny ?? ??? ??s?ra? ??? ??????? snu ?????? ??? mere ????? anm me ??? ? a ??s??ens ????????

    enssen ????s ?????? ?? hen ???n s ??ss??? snmner ?? menens ???

    menene ????sa ???????? ?? ?????? ???????? sn me ?sr?s???y ???????? ss sussemd ????????

    me snmensm ?? sn ? ??? ?????????? ??? ?????????????? remens en ?????????? srsmenan ?? ??????????????

    ??????????? ? ???? snmnea ???????sa sn ?? ???ss??? ???????? enn dsrenry ?? ?? reenend ? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????????

    enh ?? ?? sumremrses ?? ????

    me ????? snmners ??? ?? ?en??????? hen

    ? p ?????

    ? ??ess?racpccr??????4?s??up?5?5???2024? ? ??s?e ????? ???

    ? ? p ?? ?

    men ?? ansu ???? ?s??ss??s ? ?2 and sa ?? ??s?den? ???a??? renc ?? ????

    m addmen ?? ansu pensds dommemauen ???????? ens gensmed ?y ?????g??g??? ? ?????????? ????????

    ??sserad modds ??r h5stor5c ???nTs cen ?? ??? ??????

    ? nnp????gae??????cen??????? ?

    ? ?rs???? ??????? prsmed sn rmenr ?????? ??? suppensd ?? ?? ??????? mudens ??????

    ??????? ??? ????? ??p?rm??r?? ? ??????? ?? ?????? en enn ???d?ns ??? a ?????? rsnge ?

    ? ???????? ????????? mey ??? ????????????? ?????? ? many ??? ms resuns ???m ???? menms

    o rorrnnnppsoooooo? ???????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? nen me ???????? ?????????

    ? ? ? ?????g? sn ? ??? g??? ? ??? ????????? ? ??????? ????? ???? ???????? ?"


    Um, it can't even OCR at all from the clear web page screen shot. Am I
    missing something? :( I do have Tesseract options' primary language for osd.traineddata. Does that have English?
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Oct 15 20:07:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/15/2025 8:01 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 7:57 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 3:19 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/15 19:32:3, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [...]
    -a-a Can you see in (Control Panel -> Programs ->) 'Programs and
    Features'
    if you have the Tesseract software and if so what the 'Size' column
    says?

    Interesting. I seem to have downloaded IV 4.72 installer - and matching >>>> plugin installer - 2025-5-15. Putting Tesseract into Everything, I
    see I
    downloaded tesseract-ocr-w32-setup-v5.3.0.20221214.exe 2025-7-14
    (probably when I first tried to use it and got the message you
    describe), and that's 51,122 KB. I also see I have tesseract.exe (dated >>>> 2022-12-14), size 1,245 KB, but I don't know what's with it ... yes,
    the
    Tesseract-OCR directory is 908 MB! 608 of that is a subdirectory called >>>> tessdata; of _that_, 329 is a sub called script, of which the largest
    part by far is a file called Latin.traineddata (85.2).

    -a-a Thanks! Wow! Nearly a gigabyte! That's a whole other story, also
    backup wise.

    -a-a I think I'll first try Paul's OCR with Snipping Tool (Windows 11
    only?) method or/and try the 'old' OCR_KADMOS method, before trying the
    huge Tesseract thing.

    Checking in the way you describe, I find "Tesseract-OCR - open source
    OCR engine", apparently installed 2025/7/14, but the size column is
    blank for that line. (The version is as in the name of the setup file, >>>> and it says the Publisher is Tesseract-OCR community.)>

    [...]

    So if size has anything to do with it, it's no wonder the OCR works
    well! (But I don't believe in that mapping.)

    -a-a What do you mean by "(But I don't believe in that mapping.)"? Which >>> 'mapping?

    -a-a Thanks again for your help.

    KN: the sizes that I quoted come from the folder properties for the
    folder in C:\Program Files\Tesseract-OCR.-a I did not see any
    Tesseract- OCR folders in the User\username\AppData-a folders.

    What if you delete Irfanview completely.-a Remove the folders for
    Tesseract-OCR and Irfanview in the Program Data folder and the folder
    C: \Users\username\AppData\Roaming\IrfanView.

    It is possible if you have update Irfanview and Tesseract-OCR several
    times that some residual trash has collected in the folders.

    When your computer is clean of Irfanview, restart computer and do a
    complete reinstall of Irfanview, Plugins and Tesseract-OCR.

    PS I did not know that Tesseract-OCR was in the main plugin file for
    Irfanview.-a-a I have always found it on the Plugins page on the
    Irfanview website and installed it from there.
    KN:-a my version of-a Tesseract-OCR-a is 5.5.0.20241111
    KN: It is the English version
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 03:08:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 10/15/2025 8:02 PM, Ant wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    ...
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course
    _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get
    a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    I didn't know about this IrfanView feature plugin. So I installed https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/releases/download/5.5.0/tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe
    from https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki, and tried a screen
    shot of https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki web page. However,
    I get:

    "? ? ? 0 ? ? ?? ganudmmmsensu????enesse?s ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ?

    ??????????????? ??? a ?????????????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ????????? ???? ?? ???? ?s? ?en ?? pp

    ?

    ? o m ?

    ? sman ???? ?????? ???s psgs ??? ?? ?? 2cm? ?? ???????

    ?

    ???s?ract at ??????? ??nnh??m ?? ?????

    rmd ? pagen

    me ?a??h?rm unensny many pus ??????h?s?? usss ???s???? ??? psenm ??????? rengnmen

    rocn ? ????? chmuer rengnmen ?? mmenn seenn ranspapers ??g??r?? ??? ???????

    preussschs sraasreneng oenscen ??sch???sgs??? me ???????? resuns enh ??????? nen men ?e??e?? ?? us ??????

    ????? moooo passs ??? mmens ??????? ?e??e?? m????????

    ???mdens

    ??sserad 5nstaner ??? ?????d????s ?e??e?? mendssor

    msuen pnms

    renenny ?? ??? ??s?ra? ??? ??????? snu ?????? ??? mere ????? anm me ??? ? a ??s??ens ????????

    enssen ????s ?????? ?? hen ???n s ??ss??? snmner ?? menens ???

    menene ????sa ???????? ?? ?????? ???????? sn me ?sr?s???y ???????? ss sussemd ????????

    me snmensm ?? sn ? ??? ?????????? ??? ?????????????? remens en ?????????? srsmenan ?? ??????????????

    ??????????? ? ???? snmnea ???????sa sn ?? ???ss??? ???????? enn dsrenry ?? ?? reenend ? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????????

    enh ?? ?? sumremrses ?? ????

    me ????? snmners ??? ?? ?en??????? hen

    ? p ?????

    ? ??ess?racpccr??????4?s??up?5?5???2024? ? ??s?e ????? ???

    ? ? p ?? ?

    men ?? ansu ???? ?s??ss??s ? ?2 and sa ?? ??s?den? ???a??? renc ?? ????

    m addmen ?? ansu pensds dommemauen ???????? ens gensmed ?y ?????g??g??? ? ?????????? ????????

    ??sserad modds ??r h5stor5c ???nTs cen ?? ??? ??????

    ? nnp????gae??????cen??????? ?

    ? ?rs???? ??????? prsmed sn rmenr ?????? ??? suppensd ?? ?? ??????? mudens ??????

    ??????? ??? ????? ??p?rm??r?? ? ??????? ?? ?????? en enn ???d?ns ??? a ?????? rsnge ?

    ? ???????? ????????? mey ??? ????????????? ?????? ? many ??? ms resuns ???m ???? menms

    o rorrnnnppsoooooo? ???????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? nen me ???????? ?????????

    ? ? ? ?????g? sn ? ??? g??? ? ??? ????????? ? ??????? ????? ???? ???????? ?"


    Um, it can't even OCR at all from the clear web page screen shot. Am I missing something? :( I do have Tesseract options' primary language for osd.traineddata. Does that have English?


    Notice, in the conversion, there are some errors. Such as "print" becoming "prinf" in the converted text.
    The text does not have to be in the same order and columnar materials may not be reproduced
    the way you would prefer. But for many purposes, you can copy pieces out and get a
    working result. This first run, is with a SnippingTool Text Actions treatment of OCR.

    ************************************************* SnippingTool ********************************************************
    Home
    Stefan Weil edited this page on Nov 11, 2024 - 91 revisions

    Tesseract at UB Mannheim

    The Mannheim University Library (UB Mannheim) uses Tesseract to perform text recognition (OCR = optical character
    recognition) for historical German newspapers (Allgemeine Preu|fische Staatszeitung, Deutscher Reichsanzeiger). The latest
    results with text from more than 700000 pages are available online.

    & Tesseract installer for Windows

    Normally we run Tesseract on Debian GNU Linux, but there was also the need for a Windows version. That's why we have built
    a Tesseract installer for Windows.

    WARNING: Tesseract should be either installed in the directory which is suggested during the installation or in a new
    directory. The uninstaller removes the whole installation directory. If you installed Tesseract in an existing directory,
    that directory will be removed with all its subdirectories and files.

    The latest installers can be downloaded here:

    . tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe (64 bit)

    There are also older versions for 32 and 64 bit Windows available.

    In addition, we also provide documentation which was generated by Doxygen.

    Tesseract models for historic prints

    Historic books printed in Fraktur script are supported by the standard models deu_latf (formerly frk) and script/Fraktur. In
    addition we trained our own models on a wide range of historic books. They are available online. In many cases the results
    from those models (Fraktur_5000000, frak2021, german_prinf) are better than those from the standard models.

    History

    - Pages 8 <=== This text is on the upper right, and Snippingtool got it right

    Find a page ...

    - Home

    Tesseract at UB Mannheim
    Tesseract installer for Windows
    Tesseract models for historic
    prints
    History

    FAQ

    FAQ (deutsch)

    Fonts for Tesseract training

    Install additional language and scri ...

    Newspapers

    Project ideas

    Windows build

    Clone this wiki locally

    https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/te <=== the end of the link is cut off by the box surrounding the URL

    ********************************************** End SnippingTool *******************************************************

    This is Tesseract 5.5 trying it, in English.

    https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki

    Name: tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe
    Size: 21,381,872 bytes (20 MiB)
    SHA256: F3FC4236425B690C8BE756F35793F77394EE004BE0A6460A440C754D892F68BC

    It downloads a tiny bit of stuff during the install (as I did not
    tick any extras boxes).

    This is my execution.

    .\tesseract.exe D:\mannheim-win11.png D:\output --oem 1 -l eng

    Result is D:\output.txt 1,903 bytes

    ************************************************* Tesseract *********************************************************
    Home

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    Tesseract at UB Mannheim

    The Mannheim University Library (UB Mannheim) uses Tesseract to perform text recognition (OCR = optical character
    recognition) for historical German newspapers (Allgemeine PreuBische Staatszeitung, Deutscher Reichsanzeiger). The latest
    results with text from more than 700000 pages are available online.

    Tesseract installer for Windows

    Normally we run Tesseract on Debian GNU Linux, but there was also the need for a Windows version. That's why we have built
    a Tesseract installer for Windows.

    WARNING: Tesseract should be either installed in the directory which is suggested during the installation or in a new
    directory. The uninstaller removes the whole installation directory. If you installed Tesseract in an existing directory,
    that directory will be removed with all its subdirectories and files.

    The latest installers can be downloaded here:

    -2 tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe (64 bit)

    There are also older versions for 32 and 64 bit Windows available.

    In addition, we also provide documentation which was generated by Doxygen.

    Tesseract models for historic prints

    Historic books printed in Fraktur script are supported by the standard models deu_Jatf (formerly frk) and script/Fraktur. |n
    addition we trained our own models on a wide range of historic books. They are available online. In many cases the results
    from those models (Fraktur_5000000, frak2021, german_prinf) are better than those from the standard models.

    History

    ~ Pages @ <=== This text is on the upper right, and Tesseract got it wrong, substituting @ for 8 (understandable)

    Find a page...

    Home

    Tesseract at UB Mannheim
    Tesseract installer for Windows

    Tesseract models for historic
    prints
    History

    -+ FAQ

    -+ FAQ (deutsch)

    -+ Fonts for Tesseract training

    -+ Install additional language and scri...

    -+ Newspapers
    -+ Project ideas

    Windows build

    Clone this wiki locally

    om/UB-Mannheim/tesseract .wiki.git

    o <=== this is actually the double-overlay-square icon


    ********************************************** End Tesseract *********************************************************

    I would judge this to be normal Tesseract behavior.

    This is my screenshot, used for the test.

    [Picture] Use "Download Original" to try not to see too much of the ghastly advertising

    https://i.postimg.cc/nhffvyzs/mannheim-win11.png

    Paul
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 03:19:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 10/16/2025 3:08 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 10/15/2025 8:02 PM, Ant wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    ...
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it
    seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course >>> _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get >>> a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    I didn't know about this IrfanView feature plugin. So I installed
    https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/releases/download/5.5.0/tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe
    from https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki, and tried a screen
    shot of https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki web page. However,
    I get:


    Command line usage is described here,
    so you can tune what you're attempting.

    https://tesseract-ocr.github.io/tessdoc/Command-Line-Usage.html

    Paul


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  • From wasbit@wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 09:29:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 14/10/2025 15:17, MikeS wrote:

    Big snip <

    The easy way is to download this Nirsoft viewer: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/windows_updates_history_viewer.html
    It needs no install, shows everything including failed updates, and will generate a HTML report of all or selected entries.


    Also available in Windows System Control Centre (WSCC)
    which also contains the complete suites of free tools from:
    Nirsoft
    Sysinternals
    MiTec (Michael Mutl)
    GRC (Gibson research)
    Krzysztof Kowalczyk (Sumatra PDF)
    Pete Batard (Rufus & more)
    Simon Tatham (PuTTy & more)
    Void Tools (David Carpenter - Everything)

    http://www.kls-soft.com/wscc/
    --
    Regards
    wasbit
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 06:33:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 10/16/2025 3:19 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 10/16/2025 3:08 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 10/15/2025 8:02 PM, Ant wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    ...
    Recently I've used IrfanView's OCR function (under F9) to OCR
    screenshots (and anything else - even record labels from YouTube!); it >>>> seems to work pretty well (certainly fine on screenshots), and of course >>>> _isn't_ online.
    (I think it's a plugin, but I always download the plugins whenever I get >>>> a new version of IrfanView - they're on th same page,
    https://www.irfanview.com/ [bottom of home page].)

    I didn't know about this IrfanView feature plugin. So I installed
    https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/releases/download/5.5.0/tesseract-ocr-w64-setup-5.5.0.20241111.exe
    from https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki, and tried a screen
    shot of https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/tesseract/wiki web page. However, >>> I get:


    Command line usage is described here,
    so you can tune what you're attempting.

    https://tesseract-ocr.github.io/tessdoc/Command-Line-Usage.html


    The quality of your source material is unlikely to be bad.
    This page has some suggestions for faded works.

    https://tesseract-ocr.github.io/tessdoc/ImproveQuality.html

    Paul


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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 12:54:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/16 1:7:23, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 8:01 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/15/2025 7:57 PM, knuttle wrote:

    []


    What if you delete Irfanview completely.-a Remove the folders for
    Tesseract-OCR and Irfanview in the Program Data folder and the folder
    C: \Users\username\AppData\Roaming\IrfanView.

    It is possible if you have update Irfanview and Tesseract-OCR several
    times that some residual trash has collected in the folders.

    I've only had this laptop since May, and don't think I've loaded/updated
    I'View more than once or twice.>>>
    When your computer is clean of Irfanview, restart computer and do a
    complete reinstall of Irfanview, Plugins and Tesseract-OCR.

    I'm happy to leave it for the moment - if I start running low on C:
    space, I'll reconsider!>>>
    PS I did not know that Tesseract-OCR was in the main plugin file for
    Irfanview.-a-a I have always found it on the Plugins page on the
    Irfanview website and installed it from there.

    I think it may be that there's a stub (knows where to _find_ it)
    included with IV (or its plugin pack), and the first time I _used_ the
    OCR function it said "you need xxx plugin - click here to get it" ior
    similar words, and I did.

    KN:-a my version of-a Tesseract-OCR-a is 5.5.0.20241111
    KN: It is the English version
    Interesting. As I - AFAIK! - only have it as an IV plugin, I have no
    idea how to update it (or what thay would give me).
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From knuttle@keith_nuttle@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Oct 16 11:05:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/16/2025 7:54 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    - only have it as an IV
    Setting, Apps, installed Apps.

    I never worry about it. It either is updated when Irfanview is updated,
    or when I use the OCR and it says there is an update available.
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