• Re: What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    From Anton Shepelev@anton.txt@gmail.moc to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 02:10:28 2025
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    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 08:17:41 2025
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    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 02:10:28 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.
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  • From Anton Shepelev@anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 11:35:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    JJ to Anton Sheplelev:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    That's the standard method, if it supports the drag'n'drop technology.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 11:48:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:
    JJ to Anton Sheplelev:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.
    Is that a UK second or a US second?>
    That's the standard method, if it supports the drag'n'drop technology.

    Chuckle!
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  • From Stan Brown@someone@example.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 09:41:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 02:10:28 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    That's funny. My most common typo is Widows, for which a spell
    checker is no help at all.
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    those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 19:40:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025-10-08 17:41, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 02:10:28 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    That's funny. My most common typo is Widows, for which a spell
    checker is no help at all.

    Defn: 'Widow' - A Windows PC that didn't come up after a reboot.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Anton Shepelev@anton.txt@gmail.moc to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Thu Oct 9 01:53:11 2025
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    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Wed Oct 8 20:13:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 10/8/2025 6:48 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:
    JJ to Anton Sheplelev:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    +--------------+
    |
    +---+ ii
    |CPU|>--//
    |RAM| \\
    +---+| /\
    +--------------+
    14 |
    foot |
    drop |
    |
    |
    ^^^^^ +--------------+
    <crashing sound>

    Paul (meat-powered-ascii-art-incorporated)
    (I'm still working on my people skills)
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Thu Oct 9 11:12:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/8 23:53:11, Anton Shepelev wrote:
    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

    Mine Thunderbord. And there's a word with ie in it - I think it's field
    - that gets transposed.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Thu Oct 9 17:12:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 01:53:11 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

    When I first got a home computer, I often made the mistake of entering
    "LUST" when it was supposed to be "LIST".
    --
    77 days until the winter celebration (Thursday, December 25, 2025 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "If there is a God, atheism must strike Him as less of an insult than religion." [Edmond and Jules de Goncourt]
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Thu Oct 9 20:22:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 09 Oct 2025 17:12:48 GMT
    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 01:53:11 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

    When I first got a home computer, I often made the mistake of entering "LUST" when it was supposed to be "LIST".


    MAKE LOVE
    Not War

    [retained sig]

    --
    77 days until the winter celebration (Thursday, December 25, 2025 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "If there is a God, atheism must strike Him as less of an insult than religion." [Edmond and Jules de Goncourt]

    *My* Winter Celebration is 4 days earlier, on the Solstice.
    [Full disclosure, I've not been at Stonehenge to greet the dawn on that
    day]
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    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Fri Oct 10 06:34:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Fri Oct 10 00:40:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?
    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Graham J@nobody@nowhere.co.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Fri Oct 10 08:20:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Don't beat about the bush!

    The language spoken in England is English. Variants of it are spoken in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

    The language spoken in America is American. It is virtually
    incomprehensible to an English speaker. Many words have different meanings.
    --
    Graham J
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Fri Oct 10 09:28:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    I think it's not so much a question of British English versus American English, but about the US versus (most of?) the rest of the world.

    And you'll be pleased to know that Google Translate said 'ground
    floor' when I asked to translate the Dutch 'begane grond'! :-) (My
    'Windows display language' is 'English (United Kingdom)' so hopefully
    Google Translate takes that into account.)
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Fri Oct 10 12:14:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages always
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Fri Oct 10 19:18:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2025/10/10 13:14:25, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American>> English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages always
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.

    Yes, I've occasionally found lifts (elevators) where the ground floor
    button is labelled with a 0. (More often it's a G, especially if there's
    a basement [usually labelled B].)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 13:09:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 13:04:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?

    Both. It's a common western phobia.

    I've not seen it in buildings - in the UK buildings with more than 13
    floors aren't that common - but many airlines don't have a row 13.

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  • From Stan Brown@someone@example.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 09:36:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    In this as in s many things, the US is out of step. In both French
    and Spanish classes, we learned translations of floor numbers that
    match what the British do.
    --
    "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by
    those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 17:20:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11 Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    In this as in s many things, the US is out of step. In both French
    and Spanish classes, we learned translations of floor numbers that
    match what the British do.

    That's what I indicated in my response. In Dutch and German, it's also
    (the equivalent of) the ground floor.

    So we probably should have a poll on whether there is *any* country
    *other* than the US, which calls the ground floor the first floor.
    --
    Frank Slootweg, living on the 7th floor, so 7 (pairs of) stairs, not 6.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 13:55:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 10/11/2025 2:09 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?


    There are actually *multiple* phobias

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia

    Somewhere, an elevator is missing both 4 and 13.

    Paul
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  • From Stan Brown@someone@example.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 12:06:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 11 Oct 2025 17:20:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    So we probably should have a poll on whether there is *any* country
    *other* than the US, which calls the ground floor the first floor.


    Reminds me of a 1981 Isaac Asimov essay, where in a footnote he said
    that the two most powerful countries not on the metric system were
    the United States and Liberia. And I believe Liberia has gone metric
    since then.
    --
    "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by
    those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 21:38:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 10/11/2025 3:06 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On 11 Oct 2025 17:20:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    So we probably should have a poll on whether there is *any* country
    *other* than the US, which calls the ground floor the first floor.


    Reminds me of a 1981 Isaac Asimov essay, where in a footnote he said
    that the two most powerful countries not on the metric system were
    the United States and Liberia. And I believe Liberia has gone metric
    since then.


    But then we'd have to use metric toilet paper.

    That would never work :-)

    Paul

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sat Oct 11 21:58:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 10/11/2025 12:36 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    In this as in s many things, the US is out of step. In both French
    and Spanish classes, we learned translations of floor numbers that
    match what the British do.


    "Where we're going, we don't need floors"

    https://www2.isye.gatech.edu/~jjb/misc/elevators/elevators.html

    I like the use of the Asterisk, to indicate exit at grade level.

    Paul
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 19:58:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 12/10/2025 12:04 am, Chris wrote:
    JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?

    Both. It's a common western phobia.

    I've not seen it in buildings - in the UK buildings with more than 13
    floors aren't that common - but many airlines don't have a row 13.

    I can't say I've ever noticed it but I have heard that some tall
    buildings don't actually have a 13th Floor .... they just have a gap ...
    to allow the Wind to blow THROUGH rather than causing the building to
    sway from side to side.

    Hmm! One of my Brothers-in-Law is/was an Architect ... prehaps I should discuss this with him. ;-)
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    Daniel70
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 20:36:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 12/10/2025 7:58 pm, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 12:04 am, Chris wrote:
    JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with >>>> the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American >>>> English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?

    Both. It's a common western phobia.

    I've not seen it in buildings - in the UK buildings with more than 13
    floors aren't that common - but many airlines don't have a row 13.

    I can't say I've ever noticed it but I have heard that some tall
    buildings don't actually have a 13th Floor .... they just have a gap ...
    to allow the Wind to blow THROUGH rather than causing the building to
    sway from side to side.

    Hmm! One of my Brothers-in-Law is/was an Architect ... prehaps I should discuss this with him. ;-)

    s/prehaps/perhaps
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    Daniel70
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 21:57:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages always
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies it/them
    ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 12:38:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is the
    difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages always
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies it/them
    ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0 or 1.
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 22:50:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 12/10/2025 10:38 pm, MikeS wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the
    ground floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is
    upstairs (with the second floor, if there is one, above that,
    and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first
    floor, upstairs is the second floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms
    this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing.
    C-based languages always use 0-based indexing whereas others
    (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies
    it/them ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never
    heard of it expressed that way.
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 15:56:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:38 pm, MikeS wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the
    ground floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is
    upstairs (with the second floor, if there is one, above that,
    and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first
    floor, upstairs is the second floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms
    this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing.
    C-based languages always use 0-based indexing whereas others
    (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies
    it/them ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never heard of it expressed that way.

    No. An array is a structure used in programming to manage a list of
    variables. The list is indexed by an integer which either starts at 0 or 1 depending on the programming language.

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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 18:18:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    [snip]

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never heard of it expressed that way.

    For a 4-element array, are the indices 0, 1, 2, 3 or are they 1, 2, 3, 4?
    --
    74 days until the winter celebration (Thursday, December 25, 2025 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "No matter how long a log stays in the water, it doesn't become a
    crocodile." -- (Bambara Proverb)
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Sun Oct 12 15:48:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sun, 10/12/2025 11:56 AM, Chris wrote:
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:38 pm, MikeS wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the
    ground floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is
    upstairs (with the second floor, if there is one, above that,
    and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first
    floor, upstairs is the second floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms
    this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing.
    C-based languages always use 0-based indexing whereas others
    (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies
    it/them ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never
    heard of it expressed that way.

    No. An array is a structure used in programming to manage a list of variables. The list is indexed by an integer which either starts at 0 or 1 depending on the programming language.


    A[0] Offset 0 (32 bit integer equals 4 bytes)
    A[1] Offset 4
    A[2] Offset 8

    Some languages start the index of the array at 1 instead. Maybe Pascal ?

    A[1] Offset 0 (32 bit integer equals 4 bytes)
    A[2] Offset 4
    A[3] Offset 8

    Both setups happen to be 12 bytes total. The first one at least,
    is likely to be declared as having a size of three elements,
    but their index enumeration is 0,1,2 .

    Paul

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Mon Oct 13 19:17:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 13/10/2025 2:56 am, Chris wrote:
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:38 pm, MikeS wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the
    ground floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is
    upstairs (with the second floor, if there is one, above that,
    and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first
    floor, upstairs is the second floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms
    this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing.
    C-based languages always use 0-based indexing whereas others
    (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies
    it/them ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never
    heard of it expressed that way.

    No. An array is a structure used in programming to manage a list of variables. The list is indexed by an integer which either starts at 0 or 1 depending on the programming language.

    Ah!! O.K., beyond my knowledge .... so I'll try to pull my head in!! ;-(
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Mon Oct 13 18:20:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:48:51 -0400, Paul wrote:

    Some languages start the index of the array at 1 instead. Maybe Pascal ?

    Pascal's 1-based index is for Pascal String (ShortString), where index 1 is
    the first character. But physically it's 0-based, where index 0 is the
    string length. Pascal simply doesn't allow direct reference to index 0 of ShortString.

    The one I know which use 1-based index is AutoHotkey. Both the original v1,
    and the newer v2 (which is supposed to have better syntax).
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.msdos.batch on Mon Oct 13 18:36:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:48:51 -0400, Paul wrote:

    Some languages start the index of the array at 1 instead. Maybe Pascal ?

    Pascal's 1-based index is for Pascal String (ShortString), where index 1 is the first character. But physically it's 0-based, where index 0 is the
    string length. Pascal simply doesn't allow direct reference to index 0 of ShortString.

    The one I know which use 1-based index is AutoHotkey. Both the original v1, and the newer v2 (which is supposed to have better syntax).

    R uses 1-base indexing.

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