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Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:16:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Anyone else notice in Windows Updates there is a free offer to obtain
extended security support (ESU) for Windows 10 past October? The offer
expires Oct 13. The update wizard says "No extra cost" and "you?re
eligible to enroll in Extended Security Updates at no extra cost."
I don't see anything like that in Windows Update in Settings.
Neither do I. I'm sure VanguardLH gets the notice because he has
enabled Windows backup:
<VanguardLH>
The "built-in tool" is apparently Settings -> Accounts -> Windows
backup, and its "Remember my apps" and "Remember my preferences"
settings. I have those enabled.
</VanguardLH>
[Message-ID: <9ea62h53uba4.dlg@v.nguard.lh>]
VanguardLH wrote:
Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Anyone else notice in Windows Updates there is a free offer to
obtain extended security support (ESU) for Windows 10 past
October? The offer expires Oct 13. The update wizard says "No
extra cost" and "you?re eligible to enroll in Extended Security
Updates at no extra cost."
I don't see anything like that in Windows Update in Settings.
Looks like it's a roll-out thing: some get it, then some get it later,
and so on. There is a list of qualifications, like you have to be at
Windows 10 22H2. I don't remember the others.
What I see is:
https://imgur.com/Z4gLggp
I think you logged into the machine with an MSA recently,
and that is why it appeared. That may be part of it, plus having
this August Patch Tuesday installed.
https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/220763-kb5063709-windows-10-cumulative-update-build-19045-6216-22h2-2.html
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
I think you logged into the machine with an MSA recently,
and that is why it appeared. That may be part of it, plus having
this August Patch Tuesday installed.
https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/220763-kb5063709-windows-10-cumulative-update-build-19045-6216-22h2-2.html
My host is not MSA (Managed Service Account), just an MS account (e.g., Hotmail) that is used for login to Win10.
On Tue, 9/23/2025 10:41 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
In other words, I think it's you (Alan K.): it's a plaintext message.Is it me or what but your font is super super small.
https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C9ea62h53uba4.dlg%40v.nguard.lh%3E
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41
The message is plaintext, but with a charset choice.
(AIUI the charset just specifies what characters can be used - ASCII
plus extras - not their size.)
While the plaintext message in this case, the charset choice
still has to have a mapping to something on the USENET client reader.
If the charset is obscure, a substitution of some sort may be
arranged, and the results might be too big or too small or
look weird or... fiddling necessary on the Client, to set it
up right.
Paul
Alan K. wrote:
Is it me or what but [VanguardLH's] is super super small.
https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C9ea62h53uba4.dlg%40v.nguard.lh%3E
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41
The message is plaintext, but with a charset choice.
In my starter post (MID <14vqkpx4ji7yy.dlg@v.nguard.lh>), iso-8859-7 got used. No idea why us-ascii was not selected. I don't see anything in my starter post that is non-ASCII.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
aa - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options
aa Free - Enable Backup Now option
aa Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
aa Feea - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local
i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
I figured it would first pick us-ascii, and fallback to the others when non-ASCII characters were in my post (which could happen when quoting
parent posts that aren't all ASCII, but that would only be for replies).
It's rare for me to use non-ASCII in my starter posts. In replies, *if*
I noticed non-ASCII characters, I remove or replace them. For example, sometimes winston prefixes his name with an ellipsis character (not in ASCII-7 but is in ASCII-8 as 84h), and sometimes with 3 separate dot characters (so in ASCII-7). us-ascii is ASCII-7, so no ellipsis char.
ISO-8859 is similar to ASCII-8 (aka extended ASCII). us-ascii is just
00 to 7F hex, ASCII-8 is 00 to FF hex, and ISO-8859-7 is same as
ASCII-8. I don't understand why ISO-8859-7 was used in my starter post
since only ASCII-7 chars were used, so I'd expect us-ascii get used.
menu -> General -> Font & Colors -> Advanced
In "Fonts for:", select Latin. Change all three sizes.
In "Fonts for:", select "Other Writing Systems". Change sizes.--
Ok out. Close the popup.
That's what I found in an online search. The Tbird newsgroup might have
more detailed or accurate instructions on setting font sizes.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:16:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Anyone else notice in Windows Updates there is a free offer to obtain
extended security support (ESU) for Windows 10 past October? The offer >>> expires Oct 13. The update wizard says "No extra cost" and "you?re
eligible to enroll in Extended Security Updates at no extra cost."
I don't see anything like that in Windows Update in Settings.
Neither do I. I'm sure VanguardLH gets the notice because he has
enabled Windows backup:
<VanguardLH>
The "built-in tool" is apparently Settings -> Accounts -> Windows
backup, and its "Remember my apps" and "Remember my preferences"
settings. I have those enabled.
</VanguardLH>
[Message-ID: <9ea62h53uba4.dlg@v.nguard.lh>]
Not entirely true.
This device Win10 Pro 22H2 has Backup options completely turned off in both logon accounts(Microsoft account and Local account).
The MSFT 'Enroll now' is(was) present in both MSA and Local accounts.
Note: Since I had thousands of Reward points, use was a no brainer and--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
no need to use the free MSFT'Backup' option or my colleague's github method.
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your situation.
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which
needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do
not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one
up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up
in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules,
but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
-a-a - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options >>>>>>> -a-a Free - Enable Backup Now option
-a-a Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
-a-a Fee-a - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only
difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local
i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your situation.
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which
needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do
not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one
up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up
in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules,
but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
On Wed, 9/24/2025 2:51 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license
switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do
not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one
up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up
in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules,
but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
Start : Run : control.exe
User Accounts
Manage Another Account
That will give some information about your multiple accounts setup.
There should be one Administrator account at all times.
DO NOT delete the one-and-only Administrator. I helped a person
in another group, hack back into Windows and fix that, but
the recipe is unlikely to work today. So while you're in that
Control Panel, don't make any rash decisions on the spot. Two of
the recovery recipes, are enforced by Windows Defender, and running
in Safe Mode is a way to bypass the "fix".
Paul--
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license >switch someone here said was the one to use).
As far as I _know_, I do not have a Microsoft account
Anyone else notice in Windows Updates there is a free offer to obtain extended security support (ESU) for Windows 10 past October? The offer expires Oct 13. The update wizard says "No extra cost" and "yourCOre eligible to enroll in Extended Security Updates at no extra cost."
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates "ESU is a paid program that provides individuals and organizations of
all sizes with the option to extend the use of Windows 10 devices past
the end of support date in a more secure manner."
European users will get free updates until Oct 13 2026; this option does
not require engagement with Microsoft Rewards, OneDrive, or other tied services.
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:16:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Anyone else notice in Windows Updates there is a free offer to obtain >>>>> extended security support (ESU) for Windows 10 past October? The offer >>>>> expires Oct 13. The update wizard says "No extra cost" and "you?re
eligible to enroll in Extended Security Updates at no extra cost."
I don't see anything like that in Windows Update in Settings.
Neither do I. I'm sure VanguardLH gets the notice because he has
enabled Windows backup:
<VanguardLH>
The "built-in tool" is apparently Settings -> Accounts -> Windows
backup, and its "Remember my apps" and "Remember my preferences"
settings. I have those enabled.
</VanguardLH>
[Message-ID: <9ea62h53uba4.dlg@v.nguard.lh>]
Not entirely true.
This device Win10 Pro 22H2 has Backup options completely turned off in
both logon accounts(Microsoft account and Local account).
The MSFT 'Enroll now' is(was) present in both MSA and Local accounts.
Of course, but VanguardLH has Windows Backup turned on, so he has a Microsoft Account (needed so that Windows Backup can use OneDrive) and because he has a Microsoft Account, he gets the (ESU) notice.
So:
- VanguardLH has Windows backup turned on, so has Microsoft Account, so
gets the (ESU) notice.
- You have a Microsoft Account (and a local account), so get the (ESU)
notice.
Note: Since I had thousands of Reward points, use was a no brainer and
no need to use the free MSFT'Backup' option or my colleague's github method.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
I think you logged into the machine with an MSA recently,
and that is why it appeared. That may be part of it, plus having
this August Patch Tuesday installed.
https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/220763-kb5063709-windows-10-cumulative-update-build-19045-6216-22h2-2.html
My host is not MSA (Managed Service Account), just an MS account (e.g.,
Hotmail) that is used for login to Win10.
Hmm, maybe MSA is being used here to mean Microsoft Account, and not a Managed Service Account. Acronyms can mean more than one thing. 194
are listed at:
https://www.acronymfinder.com/MSA.html
Managed Service Accounts (MSA) https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/askds/managed-service-accounts-understanding-implementing-best-practices-and-troublesh/397009
If MSA was to represent MS (Microsoft) account then, yes, that is the
admin account under which I log into my Win10 host. I am NOT using a local/offline Windows account.
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which
needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do
not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one
up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up
in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules,
but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
On Tue, 9/23/2025 3:49 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
I think you logged into the machine with an MSA recently,
and that is why it appeared. That may be part of it, plus having
this August Patch Tuesday installed.
https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/220763-kb5063709-windows-10-cumulative-update-build-19045-6216-22h2-2.html
My host is not MSA (Managed Service Account), just an MS account (e.g.,
Hotmail) that is used for login to Win10.
Hmm, maybe MSA is being used here to mean Microsoft Account, and not a
Managed Service Account. Acronyms can mean more than one thing. 194
are listed at:
https://www.acronymfinder.com/MSA.html
Managed Service Accounts (MSA)
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/askds/managed-service-accounts-understanding-implementing-best-practices-and-troublesh/397009
If MSA was to represent MS (Microsoft) account then, yes, that is the
admin account under which I log into my Win10 host. I am NOT using a
local/offline Windows account.
I checked the Big machine, and it has a prompt on it now.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/x8wgCBTS/Win10-Home-Enroll-Prompt.gif
And it has absolutely nothing to offer as bait :-)
It's not like any sort of requirement was met, to get that
to appear. Except it is (mostly) kept updated. I was doing
the Patch Tuesday on it for the month. There is no MSA on there (yet).
Paul
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:The github route provides enrollment with or without an Microsoft Accout(MSA).
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license
switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do
not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one
up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up
in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules,
but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
Your Windows 10 device does have a Windows included feature - Backup Options(Settings/Account) and its presence is the primary feature that
the github route enrolls a device(with or without a MSA).
Fyi...
You reported your device's accounts(in another post to this thread)
Lenovo ideapad 310
Local Account
Administrator
- The first(Lenovo...) is the account used by the person who built or prepped the device;
- The second(the Local) was created by that same person or you on first
use. If the Local was the second account created, it would have
initially been created as a Standard(non-Admin). Thus if the
second(Local) it is now an admin...it was changed to an Admin account by
the person who built the device or by you after receipt of the device;
- The third(is created by Windows during Windows initial setup on the device - a good reason why not to tamper with it)
On 2025/9/25 19:56:46, ...winston wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:Sorry, I did not make it clear: in poking around user accounts, as
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:The github route provides enrollment with or without an Microsoft
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a >>>> local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way" >>>> with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's >>>> the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things >>>> which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your >>>> situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license
switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do
not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one
up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up
in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules, >>> but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
Accout(MSA).
Your Windows 10 device does have a Windows included feature - Backup
Options(Settings/Account) and its presence is the primary feature that
the github route enrolls a device(with or without a MSA).
Fyi...
You reported your device's accounts(in another post to this thread)
Lenovo ideapad 310
Local Account
Administrator
- The first(Lenovo...) is the account used by the person who built or
prepped the device;
- The second(the Local) was created by that same person or you on first
use. If the Local was the second account created, it would have
initially been created as a Standard(non-Admin). Thus if the
second(Local) it is now an admin...it was changed to an Admin account by
the person who built the device or by you after receipt of the device;
- The third(is created by Windows during Windows initial setup on the
device - a good reason why not to tamper with it)
instructed by whoever posted the post I was replying to above, wherever
I looked, I only saw *one* account: those three lines all appeared in
the same blob. So it's _called_ Lenovo ideapad 310, it _is_ a Local
Account, and it _has_ Administrator privileges. Not three accounts.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
aa - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options >>>>>>> aa Free - Enable Backup Now option
aa Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
aa Feea - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only
difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local
i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup Files
to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
Back up files to OneDrive settings are for--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Documents, Pictures, Desktop, Music, and Videos
Backup for the ESU option is independent of OneDrive which syncs your personalization settings, accesibility, language preference, printer config,themes, wifi and some app info
-Note: Once the ESU offer is completed/active one has the option to
turn off the backup sync settings.
i.e. one does not need to backup files(the OneDrive feature) or retain enabling of 'backup pc settings'
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
-a-a - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options >>>>>>>>> -a-a Free - Enable Backup Now option
-a-a Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
-a-a Fee-a - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only
difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local >>>> i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup Files
to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
OK, but then *where* does the "ESU Backup option" send its settings,
etc., when - *the* topic of this subthread - there is *only* a local
account and *no* Microsoft Account?
Does Microsoft have a special *non-OneDrive* storage place for the
settings of each and every computer (*how* does it identify those
computers?) which uses the "ESU Backup option"?
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
[Kept for reference:]
Back up files to OneDrive settings are for
Documents, Pictures, Desktop, Music, and Videos
Backup for the ESU option is independent of OneDrive which syncs your
personalization settings, accesibility, language preference, printer
config,themes, wifi and some app info
-Note: Once the ESU offer is completed/active one has the option to
turn off the backup sync settings.
i.e. one does not need to backup files(the OneDrive feature) or retain
enabling of 'backup pc settings'
On Fri, 9/26/2025 3:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
-a-a - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options >>>>>>>>>> -a-a Free - Enable Backup Now option
-a-a Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
-a-a Fee-a - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only >>>>> difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local >>>>> i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a >>>> local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way" >>>> with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's >>>> the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things >>>> which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your >>>> situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup Files
to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
OK, but then *where* does the "ESU Backup option" send its settings,
etc., when - *the* topic of this subthread - there is *only* a local
account and *no* Microsoft Account?
Does Microsoft have a special *non-OneDrive* storage place for the
settings of each and every computer (*how* does it identify those
computers?) which uses the "ESU Backup option"?
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
I got the prompt on my third machine (the noisy machine).
Absolutely nothing on this machine is an enticement to Microsoft.
No MSA on the machine. It is Win10 Home.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/x8wgCBTS/Win10-Home-Enroll-Prompt.gif
I haven't clicked the enticement, as I expect this will be
a case of "walking uphill all the way" kind of thing.
Not seen elsewhere yet.
At least I have a picture of one now :-)
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/25 19:56:46, ...winston wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:Sorry, I did not make it clear: in poking around user accounts, as
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:The github route provides enrollment with or without an Microsoft
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a >>>>> local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>>>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way" >>>>> with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's >>>>> the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things >>>>> which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your >>>>> situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license >>>> switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do >>>> not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one >>>> up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up >>>> in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop
with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules, >>>> but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
Accout(MSA).
Your Windows 10 device does have a Windows included feature - Backup
Options(Settings/Account) and its presence is the primary feature that
the github route enrolls a device(with or without a MSA).
Fyi...
You reported your device's accounts(in another post to this thread)
Lenovo ideapad 310
Local Account
Administrator
- The first(Lenovo...) is the account used by the person who built or
prepped the device;
- The second(the Local) was created by that same person or you on first
use. If the Local was the second account created, it would have
initially been created as a Standard(non-Admin). Thus if the
second(Local) it is now an admin...it was changed to an Admin account by >>> the person who built the device or by you after receipt of the device;
- The third(is created by Windows during Windows initial setup on the >>> device - a good reason why not to tamper with it)
instructed by whoever posted the post I was replying to above, wherever
I looked, I only saw *one* account: those three lines all appeared in
the same blob. So it's _called_ Lenovo ideapad 310, it _is_ a Local
Account, and it _has_ Administrator privileges. Not three accounts.
There, unless one has hacked the device will always have multiple accounts(even when control panel/user accounts indicates/shows/only saw
one account.
Open Powershell with admin privilege, type the following command, then
press the Enter key
Get-LocalUser
Or
Open Command.com with admin privilege, type the following command, then press enter
net user
On 2025/9/26 19:22:34, ...winston wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:That gave
On 2025/9/25 19:56:46, ...winston wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:Sorry, I did not make it clear: in poking around user accounts, as
On 2025/9/24 18:50:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:The github route provides enrollment with or without an Microsoft
[]
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a
local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>>>>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way" >>>>>> with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's >>>>>> the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things >>>>>> which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security >>>>>> Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your
situation.
I just followed the instructions on the github page (using the -license >>>>> switch someone here said was the one to use). As far as I _know_, I do >>>>> not have a Microsoft account - I have certainly never knowingly set one >>>>> up; I'd read that by default, one has one if Windows 10 has been set up >>>>> in the default way, but I know nothing of that: I bought this laptop >>>>> with 10 already set up (and running, I didn't have to go through a
new-user type process). [From the sort of one-man shop [store] who
probably set it up in ways he wasn't supposed to by the licensing rules, >>>>> but I don't want to get him into trouble.]
Accout(MSA).
Your Windows 10 device does have a Windows included feature - Backup
Options(Settings/Account) and its presence is the primary feature that >>>> the github route enrolls a device(with or without a MSA).
Fyi...
You reported your device's accounts(in another post to this thread) >>>> Lenovo ideapad 310
Local Account
Administrator
- The first(Lenovo...) is the account used by the person who built or
prepped the device;
- The second(the Local) was created by that same person or you on first >>>> use. If the Local was the second account created, it would have
initially been created as a Standard(non-Admin). Thus if the
second(Local) it is now an admin...it was changed to an Admin account by >>>> the person who built the device or by you after receipt of the device; >>>> - The third(is created by Windows during Windows initial setup on the >>>> device - a good reason why not to tamper with it)
instructed by whoever posted the post I was replying to above, wherever
I looked, I only saw *one* account: those three lines all appeared in
the same blob. So it's _called_ Lenovo ideapad 310, it _is_ a Local
Account, and it _has_ Administrator privileges. Not three accounts.
There, unless one has hacked the device will always have multiple
accounts(even when control panel/user accounts indicates/shows/only saw
one account.
Open Powershell with admin privilege, type the following command, then
press the Enter key
Get-LocalUser
Name Enabled Description
---- ------- -----------
Administrator False Built-in account for administering the computer/domain
DefaultAccount False A user account managed by the system.
Guest False Built-in account for guest access to the computer/domain
Lenovo ideapad 310 True
WDAGUtilityAccount False A user account managed and used by the system
for Windows Defender Application Guard scen...
OrThat gives
Open Command.com with admin privilege, type the following command, then
press enter
net user
User accounts for \\G6JPG
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Administrator DefaultAccount Guest
Lenovo ideapad 310 WDAGUtilityAccount
The command completed successfully.
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
-a-a - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options >>>>>>>>> -a-a Free - Enable Backup Now option
-a-a Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
-a-a Fee-a - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only
difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local >>>> i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a >>> local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way"
with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's
the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things
which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your >>> situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup Files
to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
OK, but then *where* does the "ESU Backup option" send its settings,
etc., when - *the* topic of this subthread - there is *only* a local
account and *no* Microsoft Account?
Does Microsoft have a special *non-OneDrive* storage place for the settings of each and every computer (*how* does it identify those
computers?) which uses the "ESU Backup option"?
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
On Fri, 9/26/2025 3:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
-a-a - which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three options >>>>>>>>>> -a-a Free - Enable Backup Now option
-a-a Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
-a-a Fee-a - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the only >>>>> difference is it considers the different logon possibilities(MSA, Local >>>>> i.e. with or without a Microsoft account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for (only) a >>>> local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft) One Drive, which >>>> needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based way" >>>> with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account. AFAICT, that's >>>> the whole point of the "unofficial github-based way", you can do things >>>> which the "three options" can't: Get *free* ESU (Extended Security
Updates) with (only) a *local* account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented your >>>> situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup Files
to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
OK, but then *where* does the "ESU Backup option" send its settings,
etc., when - *the* topic of this subthread - there is *only* a local
account and *no* Microsoft Account?
Does Microsoft have a special *non-OneDrive* storage place for the
settings of each and every computer (*how* does it identify those
computers?) which uses the "ESU Backup option"?
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
I got the prompt on my third machine (the noisy machine).
Absolutely nothing on this machine is an enticement to Microsoft.
No MSA on the machine. It is Win10 Home.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/x8wgCBTS/Win10-Home-Enroll-Prompt.gif
I haven't clicked the enticement, as I expect this will be
a case of "walking uphill all the way" kind of thing.
Not seen elsewhere yet.
At least I have a picture of one now :-)
[Kept for reference:]
Back up files to OneDrive settings are for
Documents, Pictures, Desktop, Music, and Videos
Backup for the ESU option is independent of OneDrive which syncs your
personalization settings, accesibility, language preference, printer
config,themes, wifi and some app info
-Note: Once the ESU offer is completed/active one has the option to
turn off the backup sync settings.
i.e. one does not need to backup files(the OneDrive feature) or retain
enabling of 'backup pc settings'
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Name Enabled Description
---- ------- -----------
Administrator False Built-in account for administering the
computer/domain
DefaultAccount False A user account managed by the system.
Guest False Built-in account for guest access to the
computer/domain
Lenovo ideapad 310 True
WDAGUtilityAccount False A user account managed and used by the system
for Windows Defender Application Guard scen...
i.e. Not one, but 5 total accounts(and the norm for Win10 or Win11)
Note...the 'False' seen in the 'Enabled' field is also the norm for the Admin, Guest, Default, WDAG accounts.
:) Don't change them unless you know how or more importantly have a
real need to do so.
On 26 Sep 2025 19:22:02 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
For the record, if you ever wanted to use the github script, you can do
it without waiting for that notification. That's what I did.
On Fri, 9/26/2025 3:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
- which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in
2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three
options Free - Enable Backup Now option
Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
Fee - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the
only difference is it considers the different logon
possibilities(MSA, Local i.e. with or without a Microsoft
account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for
(only) a local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft)
One Drive, which needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based
way" with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account.
AFAICT, that's the whole point of the "unofficial github-based
way", you can do things which the "three options" can't: Get
*free* ESU (Extended Security Updates) with (only) a *local*
account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented
your situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup
Files to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
OK, but then *where* does the "ESU Backup option" send its
settings, etc., when - *the* topic of this subthread - there is
*only* a local account and *no* Microsoft Account?
Does Microsoft have a special *non-OneDrive* storage place for the
settings of each and every computer (*how* does it identify those
computers?) which uses the "ESU Backup option"?
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
I got the prompt on my third machine (the noisy machine).
Absolutely nothing on this machine is an enticement to Microsoft.
No MSA on the machine. It is Win10 Home.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/x8wgCBTS/Win10-Home-Enroll-Prompt.gif
I haven't clicked the enticement, as I expect this will be
a case of "walking uphill all the way" kind of thing.
Not seen elsewhere yet.
At least I have a picture of one now :-)
[Kept for reference:]
Back up files to OneDrive settings are for
Documents, Pictures, Desktop, Music, and Videos
Backup for the ESU option is independent of OneDrive which syncs
your personalization settings, accesibility, language preference,
printer config,themes, wifi and some app info
-Note: Once the ESU offer is completed/active one has the option
to turn off the backup sync settings.
i.e. one does not need to backup files(the OneDrive feature) or
retain enabling of 'backup pc settings'
Paul wrote:
On Fri, 9/26/2025 3:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/9/23 2:23:49, Paul wrote:
On Mon, 9/22/2025 7:46 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 9/22/25 6:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
The article referenced above is for non-Consumer Win10.
- which is all fee based (cost/yr with cost increase in >>>>>>>>>>> 2nd, 3rd yr)
The Windows Update offer(on your device) is one of three >>>>>>>>>>> options Free - Enable Backup Now option
Free - Use 1000 Bing Reward points
Fee - $31 for one and only one year
Or the unofficial github-based way that has been discussed here.
The 'unofficial' is just code for the first (Enable Backup), the
only difference is it considers the different logon
possibilities(MSA, Local i.e. with or without a Microsoft
account))
Isn't that a contradiction? How can you 'Enable Backup' for
(only) a local account? Doesn't 'Enable Backup' need (Microsoft)
One Drive, which needs a Microsoft Account?
AFAIK, John (J. P. Gilliver) used the "unofficial github-based
way" with (only) a local account, i.e. no Microsoft Account.
AFAICT, that's the whole point of the "unofficial github-based
way", you can do things which the "three options" can't: Get
*free* ESU (Extended Security Updates) with (only) a *local*
account.
John, please correct me if I have misinterpreted/misrepresented
your situation.
Backup Options for the ESU option is a bit different than 'Backup
Files to OneDrive'
=> ESU Backup option is not OneDrive Backup.
OK, but then *where* does the "ESU Backup option" send its
settings, etc., when - *the* topic of this subthread - there is
*only* a local account and *no* Microsoft Account?
Does Microsoft have a special *non-OneDrive* storage place for the
settings of each and every computer (*how* does it identify those
computers?) which uses the "ESU Backup option"?
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
I got the prompt on my third machine (the noisy machine).
Absolutely nothing on this machine is an enticement to Microsoft.
No MSA on the machine. It is Win10 Home.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/x8wgCBTS/Win10-Home-Enroll-Prompt.gif
I haven't clicked the enticement, as I expect this will be
a case of "walking uphill all the way" kind of thing.
Not seen elsewhere yet.
At least I have a picture of one now :-)
[Kept for reference:]
Back up files to OneDrive settings are for
Documents, Pictures, Desktop, Music, and Videos
Backup for the ESU option is independent of OneDrive which syncs
your personalization settings, accesibility, language preference,
printer config,themes, wifi and some app info
-Note: Once the ESU offer is completed/active one has the option
to turn off the backup sync settings.
i.e. one does not need to backup files(the OneDrive feature) or
retain enabling of 'backup pc settings'
I have removed OneDrive from my computers. I have turned off every item in Windows Backup. I am ESU registered. So where does Windows Backup data go? By the way did you see the European Union has required Microsoft to update Windows 10 for 1 year so the users in Europe do not have to do anything.
Why not us?
I have removed OneDrive from my computers. I have turned off every item in Windows Backup. I am ESU registered. So where does Windows Backup data go? By the way did you see the European Union has required Microsoft to update Windows 10 for 1 year so the users in Europe do not have to do anything.
Why not us?
On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 14:24:31 +0200, s|b wrote:
European users will get free updates until Oct 13 2026; this option does
not require engagement with Microsoft Rewards, OneDrive, or other tied
services.
Sorry, got it wrong: we'll need a M$ account.
So where does Windows Backup data go?
By the way did you see the European Union has required Microsoft to update >Windows 10 for 1 year so the users in Europe do not have to do anything.
Not quite true, you have to set up a Microsoft account in order to get
the updates, else you don't get them. I preferred to update my old Win10
PC to 11 using Rufus with NO M$ account.
I found a forum post claiming that the free enrollment (with a MS
account) has been extended to all users "following consumer pressure, especially in Europe". The more interesting item is a comment that
updates will only continue to be received if the device authenticates by logging in with an MS account at least every 60 days. Will be
interesting to see whether this applies also to those who used the
script to enroll without a MS account.
|| Windows Powershell script to enroll in Windows 10 Consumer Extended Security
|| Updates (ESU) program via the free Backup option, with or without Microsoft Account.
Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
|| Windows Powershell script to enroll in Windows 10 Consumer Extended Security
|| Updates (ESU) program via the free Backup option, with or without Microsoft Account.
If I had only known earlier. :)
-jw-
On 25/09/2025 13:45, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 14:24:31 +0200, s|b wrote:I found a forum post claiming that the free enrollment (with a MS account) has been extended to all users "following consumer pressure, especially in Europe". The more interesting item is a comment that updates will only continue to be received if the device authenticates by logging in with an MS account at least every 60 days. Will be interesting to see whether this applies also to those who used the script to enroll without a MS account.
European users will get free updates until Oct 13 2026; this option does >>> not require engagement with Microsoft Rewards, OneDrive, or other tied
services.
Sorry, got it wrong: we'll need a M$ account.
On 26 Sep 2025 19:22:02 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
For the record, if you ever wanted to use the github script, you can do
it without waiting for that notification. That's what I did.
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 19:22:02 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
FWIW, for my wife's Windows 10 system with only a local account, I
have *not* received the offer/notification for ESU.
For the record, if you ever wanted to use the github script, you can do
it without waiting for that notification. That's what I did.
Thanks! If needed [1], I might do that when the November update cycle
is about to happen.
[1] Currently installing a Windows 11 Mini-PC as a replacement for the
old Windows 10 system. If I finish 'moving' all programs, settings,
data, etc. before November, I probably won't bother enrolling the old
system in ESU.
On 2025/9/27 6:51:50, ...winston wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
Name Enabled Description
---- ------- -----------
Administrator False Built-in account for administering the
computer/domain
DefaultAccount False A user account managed by the system.
Guest False Built-in account for guest access to the
computer/domain
Lenovo ideapad 310 True
WDAGUtilityAccount False A user account managed and used by the system >>> for Windows Defender Application Guard scen...
[]
i.e. Not one, but 5 total accounts(and the norm for Win10 or Win11)Don't worry, I have no intention of! It's a long time (certainly since
Note...the 'False' seen in the 'Enabled' field is also the norm for the
Admin, Guest, Default, WDAG accounts.
:) Don't change them unless you know how or more importantly have a
real need to do so.
before I was on 10) since I had anything where the "instructions" said
use the administrator account, and I don't think I will be doing any
such in the foreseeable.
Would I be right in taking "False" - i. e. not enabled - means nobody
can use them (to change or do harm to my system)? I presume not, in that
I presume Windows Update and the like can just enable them if they need to.
