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On 2025-09-23 11:51:43 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:

On 2025-09-20 14:48, Tyrone wrote:

...

None have TPM 2.0 and Secure boot. But those are only checked during the
install. Neither are needed to actually RUN Windows 11.

Hum.

I have a W11 virtual machine on a vmware host running on Linux. One day
I needed to delete some files. Windows refused. Ok, boot Linux from a
CD and do it. But Linux CD would not boot, because failed key. Fine,
disable secure boot, then boot Linux CD, then delete the damn file,
finally reboot Windows.

Hey, this is funny, Windows has lost internet access. What...? Did I
delete something crucial? No, W11 decided that no secure boot implies networking is disabled, not secure.

Windoze is cheap crap, it has always been cheap crap, and it will
always be cheap crap ...

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On Sep 23, 2025 at 7:51:43rC>AM EDT, ""Carlos E.R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-09-20 14:48, Tyrone wrote:

...

None have TPM 2.0 and Secure boot. But those are only checked during the
install. Neither are needed to actually RUN Windows 11.

Hum.

I have a W11 virtual machine on a vmware host running on Linux. One day
I needed to delete some files. Windows refused. Ok, boot Linux from a CD
and do it. But Linux CD would not boot, because failed key. Fine,
disable secure boot, then boot Linux CD, then delete the damn file,
finally reboot Windows.

Hey, this is funny, Windows has lost internet access. What...? Did I
delete something crucial? No, W11 decided that no secure boot implies networking is disabled, not secure.

Not sure what any of that has to do with anything I stated. Sounds like a problem with your VM.

The fact is, I am running Windows 11 on several 10 year old (and older) PCs. The whole point of Rufus is to remove the checks for TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot during the install. Many other people are doing the same thing. Rest assured that a Lenovo IdeaPad Z710 with a 4th gen i7 does not have Secure Boot or TPM 2.0. It does have UEFI boot. It is running Windows 11 24H2 just fine.
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Your Name wrote on 9/23/2025 3:18 PM:

On 2025-09-23 11:51:43 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:

On 2025-09-20 14:48, Tyrone wrote:

...

None have TPM 2.0 and Secure boot. But those are only checked during the >>> install. Neither are needed to actually RUN Windows 11.

Hum.

I have a W11 virtual machine on a vmware host running on Linux. One
day I needed to delete some files. Windows refused. Ok, boot Linux
from a CD and do it. But Linux CD would not boot, because failed key.
Fine, disable secure boot, then boot Linux CD, then delete the damn
file, finally reboot Windows.

Hey, this is funny, Windows has lost internet access. What...? Did I
delete something crucial? No, W11 decided that no secure boot implies
networking is disabled, not secure.

Windoze is cheap crap, it has always been cheap crap, and it will always
be cheap crap ...

That's why Linus RULEZ Dood!

And Apple!


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On Tue, 9/23/2025 6:38 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:

Your Name wrote on 9/23/2025 3:18 PM:

On 2025-09-23 11:51:43 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:

On 2025-09-20 14:48, Tyrone wrote:

...

None have TPM 2.0 and Secure boot. But those are only checked during the >>>> install. Neither are needed to actually RUN Windows 11.

Hum.

I have a W11 virtual machine on a vmware host running on Linux. One day I needed to delete some files. Windows refused. Ok, boot Linux from a CD and do it. But Linux CD would not boot, because failed key. Fine, disable secure boot, then boot Linux CD, then delete the damn file, finally reboot Windows.

Hey, this is funny, Windows has lost internet access. What...? Did I delete something crucial? No, W11 decided that no secure boot implies networking is disabled, not secure.

Windoze is cheap crap, it has always been cheap crap, and it will always be cheap crap ...

That's why Linus RULEZ Dood!

And Apple!

VMWare is its own special little world.

But, I can't get VirtualBox to run a plain Win11 install (without Rufus).
I'm sick of testing new versions of VirtualBox for working TPM passthru.

VMWare likes to insist on Secure Boot, or encrypting at least the
control file for the VM. When it is set to encrypt the container
files, that wastes disk space.

Windows, for its contribution, reached into UEFI and it revokes the old
MS Certificate, and installs a newer Certificate. That's a kind of "fix" for Black Lotus. Linux, for its part, had to sign the Linux shim with the newer Certificate (requiring people to fly to the air-gapped signing setup and
do it in person). Newer Linux DVDs and their shim, are now signed with
a certificate that is the same as the one Windows 11 installed. This
means you don't have to do anything special to boot whatever you want.

To get this to work on my Big machine, I actually had to install Win11 in parallel with an existing Win11, *just* to get the update to install that installs the certificate. Then I removed the excess Windows installation,
and since the UEFI store is in hardware, the certificate is then
present so the existing Windows can Secure Boot. That's an example of
the hassle involved, to keep the Black Lotus status of the machine correct. (The Big machine has been given the task of Secure Boot testing.)

Computers are just... endless fun... and you can hardly get any
work done. It took *hours* today, just to make a simple PDF.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/DydK123N/PDF-fonts-onboard.gif

Now, try and do *that* on a modern computer. It's a PDF
with copies of full fonts (not subset) inside it. Some other
tools I have, don't even want to work with the file, when
it has full fonts in it :-) Well, that's how PDF used to work.

Paul
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On 2025-09-23 23:01, Tyrone wrote:

On Sep 23, 2025 at 7:51:43rC>AM EDT, ""Carlos E.R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-20 14:48, Tyrone wrote:

...

None have TPM 2.0 and Secure boot. But those are only checked during the >>> install. Neither are needed to actually RUN Windows 11.

Hum.

I have a W11 virtual machine on a vmware host running on Linux. One day
I needed to delete some files. Windows refused. Ok, boot Linux from a CD
and do it. But Linux CD would not boot, because failed key. Fine,
disable secure boot, then boot Linux CD, then delete the damn file,
finally reboot Windows.

Hey, this is funny, Windows has lost internet access. What...? Did I
delete something crucial? No, W11 decided that no secure boot implies
networking is disabled, not secure.

Not sure what any of that has to do with anything I stated. Sounds like a problem with your VM.

No. The point is that Windows was not happy with the machine not been
secure and refused to allow me to go to internet. A check done after installation of W11. Secure boot is needed to actually run W11, at least
on some hardware.

Unless you manage to trick W to not check, somehow.

The fact is, I am running Windows 11 on several 10 year old (and older) PCs. The whole point of Rufus is to remove the checks for TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot during the install. Many other people are doing the same thing. Rest assured that a Lenovo IdeaPad Z710 with a 4th gen i7 does not have Secure Boot or TPM 2.0. It does have UEFI boot. It is running Windows 11 24H2 just fine.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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