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oSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.o
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC. >Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 05:29:58 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
-oSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.-o
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC.
Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
Do you think the complexity of thought of cohen's lyrics compares with dylan's?
Not that cohen's lyrics were erudite or syntactically complex
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don-At criticize
What you can-At understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin-A
Please get out of the new one
If you can-At lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin-A
See the difference?
Ok, you like bird on a wire? Here you go
Like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Like a worm on a hook
Like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee
[Bridge]
If I, if I have been unkind
I hope that you can just let it go by
If I, if I have been untrue
I hope you know it was never to you
[Verse 2]
Oh like a baby, stillborn
Like a beast with his horn
I have torn everyone who reached out for me
But I swear by this song
And by all that I have done wrong
I will make it all up to thee
[Bridge]
I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch
He said to me, "You must not ask for so much"
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door
She cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"
[Outro]
Oh like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Do you think dylan ever wrote anything that compares with that?
On Oct 13, 2025 at 9:26:26rC>AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 05:29:58 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
-oSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.-o
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC.
Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
Do you think the complexity of thought of cohen's lyrics compares with
dylan's?
Not that cohen's lyrics were erudite or syntactically complex
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don-At criticize
What you can-At understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin-A
Please get out of the new one
If you can-At lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin-A
See the difference?
Ok, you like bird on a wire? Here you go
Like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Like a worm on a hook
Like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee
[Bridge]
If I, if I have been unkind
I hope that you can just let it go by
If I, if I have been untrue
I hope you know it was never to you
[Verse 2]
Oh like a baby, stillborn
Like a beast with his horn
I have torn everyone who reached out for me
But I swear by this song
And by all that I have done wrong
I will make it all up to thee
[Bridge]
I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch
He said to me, "You must not ask for so much"
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door
She cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"
[Outro]
Oh like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Do you think dylan ever wrote anything that compares with that?
No.
Dylan writes poetic lyrics but Cohen puts poetry to song.
Dylan - musician. Cohen - poet
But Bob Dylan won the Nobel for literature. "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition"
rCLSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.rCY
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC. Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
On Oct 13, 2025 at 10:12:14rC>AM EDT, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 13, 2025 at 9:26:26rC>AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 05:29:58 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
-oSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.-o
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC. >>>> Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
Do you think the complexity of thought of cohen's lyrics compares with
dylan's?
Not that cohen's lyrics were erudite or syntactically complex
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don-At criticize
What you can-At understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin-A
Please get out of the new one
If you can-At lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin-A
See the difference?
Ok, you like bird on a wire? Here you go
Like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Like a worm on a hook
Like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee
[Bridge]
If I, if I have been unkind
I hope that you can just let it go by
If I, if I have been untrue
I hope you know it was never to you
[Verse 2]
Oh like a baby, stillborn
Like a beast with his horn
I have torn everyone who reached out for me
But I swear by this song
And by all that I have done wrong
I will make it all up to thee
[Bridge]
I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch
He said to me, "You must not ask for so much"
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door
She cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"
[Outro]
Oh like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Do you think dylan ever wrote anything that compares with that?
No.
Dylan writes poetic lyrics but Cohen puts poetry to song.
Dylan - musician. Cohen - poet
But Bob Dylan won the Nobel for literature. "for having created new poetic >> expressions within the great American song tradition"
Leonard's son Adam writes:
Leonard and Bob
"A lot of people have made the comparison between Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen over the years and there's some hilarious stories."
"Like the two of them are sitting in a cafe in Paris and Dylan says to him, rCyHow long did it take you to write Hallelujah?"
"And my father completely lied to Dylan and said, rCyOh you know couple of years.rCO "
"I think it was [actually] seven years", says Adam.
"And then my father returned the favour and said, you know, rCyHow long did it
take you to write Like a Woman?rCO and Dylan said rCyFifteen minutesrCO.
"And that's very much about process I think. Dylan had this quality where he would rCyfrom the hiprCO, you know spit and polish, spit and vinegar and then this
old man of mine was much more like chiseling marble."
On 10/12/2025 10:29 PM, Tara wrote:
rCLSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.rCY
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC.
Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
I've heard that story lots of times, and once saw
a video of Cohen telling it, and he said it was
"Hallelujah", not "Bird On a Wire", that took him
five years.
Ned
On 10/13/2025 7:35 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 13, 2025 at 10:12:14?AM EDT, "Tara" <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 13, 2025 at 9:26:26?AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 05:29:58 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
?Sometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.?
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC. >>>>> Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
Do you think the complexity of thought of cohen's lyrics compares with >>>> dylan's?
Not that cohen's lyrics were erudite or syntactically complex
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don?t criticize
What you can?t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin?
Please get out of the new one
If you can?t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin?
See the difference?
Ok, you like bird on a wire? Here you go
Like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Like a worm on a hook
Like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee
[Bridge]
If I, if I have been unkind
I hope that you can just let it go by
If I, if I have been untrue
I hope you know it was never to you
[Verse 2]
Oh like a baby, stillborn
Like a beast with his horn
I have torn everyone who reached out for me
But I swear by this song
And by all that I have done wrong
I will make it all up to thee
[Bridge]
I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch
He said to me, "You must not ask for so much"
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door
She cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"
[Outro]
Oh like a bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Do you think dylan ever wrote anything that compares with that?
No.
Dylan writes poetic lyrics but Cohen puts poetry to song.
Dylan - musician. Cohen - poet
But Bob Dylan won the Nobel for literature. "for having created new poetic >>> expressions within the great American song tradition"
Leonard's son Adam writes:
Leonard and Bob
"A lot of people have made the comparison between Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen
over the years and there's some hilarious stories."
"Like the two of them are sitting in a cafe in Paris and Dylan says to him, >> aHow long did it take you to write Hallelujah?"
"And my father completely lied to Dylan and said, aOh you know couple of
years.A "
"I think it was [actually] seven years", says Adam.
"And then my father returned the favour and said, you know, aHow long did it >> take you to write Like a Woman?A and Dylan said aFifteen minutesA.
"And that's very much about process I think. Dylan had this quality where he >> would afrom the hipA, you know spit and polish, spit and vinegar and then this
old man of mine was much more like chiseling marble."
Yes, that's the version that I heard Cohen himself say,
that it was Hallelujah.
Ned
Ned Ludd <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 10:29 PM, Tara wrote:
oSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.o
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC.
Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
I've heard that story lots of times, and once saw
a video of Cohen telling it, and he said it was
"Hallelujah", not "Bird On a Wire", that took him
five years.
Ned
Thanks. All I know is - listening to him got me through a few years of not
so fun times.
On 10/12/2025 10:29 PM, Tara wrote:
oSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.o
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC.
Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
I've heard that story lots of times, and once saw
a video of Cohen telling it, and he said it was
"Hallelujah", not "Bird On a Wire", that took him
five years.
Ned
Ned Ludd <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 10:29 PM, Tara wrote:
rCLSometimes I spend an entire day writing one line.rCY
-Leonard Cohen.
Dylan wrote "Desolation Row" in 15 minutes in the back of a cab in NYC.
Leonard took years to write "Bird On the Wire".
I've heard that story lots of times, and once saw
a video of Cohen telling it, and he said it was
"Hallelujah", not "Bird On a Wire", that took him
five years.
Ned
Thanks. All I know is - listening to him got me through a few years of not
so fun times.