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https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI,
and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool
to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a >fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and >you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to >transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity
of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts
I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I >didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other >people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI
at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've >watched before, only worse.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI,
and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool
to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and
you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to
transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity
of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts
I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I
didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other
people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI
at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've
watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
On 10/11/2025 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI, >>> and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool
to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and
you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to
transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity >>> of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts >>> I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I >>> didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other >>> people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI
at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've
watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
The said the same thing with the invention of Aldus Pagemaker for the
Apple PC and for CAD drafting. Return to junior college for updating skills.
However, this ease of modification also challenges artists to maintain a >sense of authenticity and originality in their creations. For example, >Harley Quinn.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 10:25:20 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2025 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>The said the same thing with the invention of Aldus Pagemaker for the
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI, >>>> and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool >>>> to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and >>>> you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to
transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity >>>> of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts >>>> I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I >>>> didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other >>>> people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI >>>> at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've >>>> watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
Apple PC and for CAD drafting. Return to junior college for updating skills.
Does CAD actually invent designs or does it make it easier for design inventors to record their ideas?
maintain aHowever, this ease of modification also challenges artists to
sense of authenticity and originality in their creations. For example,
Harley Quinn.
I have to end up saying that tv has already infantilized itself, in
fact it always was that way. If there were any possible fundamental violation of the integrity of writers, it would have to be in the
arena of novels. Such writers are probably safe for the time being,
to the extent that they actually write serious prose.
On 10/11/2025 11:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 10:25:20 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:CAD is just a set of tools, but AI can produce drafting designs by >automating repetitive task. And, by generating concepts, creating
On 10/11/2025 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>The said the same thing with the invention of Aldus Pagemaker for the
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI, >>>>> and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool >>>>> to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over. >>>>>
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and >>>>> you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to >>>>> transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity >>>>> of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts >>>>> I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I >>>>> didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other >>>>> people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI >>>>> at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's >>>>> going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've >>>>> watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
Apple PC and for CAD drafting. Return to junior college for updating skills.
Does CAD actually invent designs or does it make it easier for design
inventors to record their ideas?
technical drawings based on user inputs like text prompts or parameters.
Drafting tables using a T-square are a thing of the past. With CAD, it's
all there on a screen and a team can collaborate and share online.
maintain aHowever, this ease of modification also challenges artists to
sense of authenticity and originality in their creations. For example,
Harley Quinn.
I have to end up saying that tv has already infantilized itself, in
fact it always was that way. If there were any possible fundamental
violation of the integrity of writers, it would have to be in the
arena of novels. Such writers are probably safe for the time being,
to the extent that they actually write serious prose.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI,
and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool
to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and
you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to
transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity
of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts
I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I
didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other
people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI
at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've
watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 17:18:40 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2025 11:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 10:25:20 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:CAD is just a set of tools, but AI can produce drafting designs by
On 10/11/2025 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>The said the same thing with the invention of Aldus Pagemaker for the
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI, >>>>>> and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool >>>>>> to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over. >>>>>>
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a >>>>>> fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and >>>>>> you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that >>>>>> portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to >>>>>> transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity >>>>>> of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts >>>>>> I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I >>>>>> didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other >>>>>> people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI >>>>>> at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's >>>>>> going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've >>>>>> watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
Apple PC and for CAD drafting. Return to junior college for updating skills.
Does CAD actually invent designs or does it make it easier for design
inventors to record their ideas?
automating repetitive task. And, by generating concepts, creating
technical drawings based on user inputs like text prompts or parameters.
Which is why a new corporate office building will look nothing like a
new museum.
On 10/11/2025 9:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 17:18:40 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2025 11:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 10:25:20 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>CAD is just a set of tools, but AI can produce drafting designs by
On 10/11/2025 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:The said the same thing with the invention of Aldus Pagemaker for the >>>>> Apple PC and for CAD drafting. Return to junior college for updating skills.
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI,
and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool >>>>>>> to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over. >>>>>>>
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a >>>>>>> fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and >>>>>>> you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that >>>>>>> portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to >>>>>>> transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no >>>>>>> original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity
of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts
I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I
didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other
people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI >>>>>>> at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's >>>>>>> going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've >>>>>>> watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
Does CAD actually invent designs or does it make it easier for design
inventors to record their ideas?
automating repetitive task. And, by generating concepts, creating
technical drawings based on user inputs like text prompts or parameters.
Which is why a new corporate office building will look nothing like a
new museum.
What if I told AI to design a new office building that looks like a museum?
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 11:41:37 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/11/2025 9:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 17:18:40 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2025 11:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Which is why a new corporate office building will look nothing like a
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 10:25:20 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>CAD is just a set of tools, but AI can produce drafting designs by
On 10/11/2025 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:The said the same thing with the invention of Aldus Pagemaker for the >>>>>> Apple PC and for CAD drafting. Return to junior college for updating skills.
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI,
and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool
to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over. >>>>>>>>
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a >>>>>>>> fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and
you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that >>>>>>>> portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to >>>>>>>> transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no >>>>>>>> original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity
of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts
I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I
didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other
people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI
at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's >>>>>>>> going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've
watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
Does CAD actually invent designs or does it make it easier for design >>>>> inventors to record their ideas?
automating repetitive task. And, by generating concepts, creating
technical drawings based on user inputs like text prompts or parameters. >>>
new museum.
What if I told AI to design a new office building that looks like a museum?
You as ceo would decide it was impractical, too ignoring of cost
concerns to build.
which is why: a new corporate office building will look nothing like
a new museum.
Or you as you could ask the question, and get a design derived from
previous such designs. It would not be an original unique design.
Frank lloyd wright would not be impressed.
On 10/11/25 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without AI, >>> and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool
to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and
you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to
transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the integrity >>> of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the scripts >>> I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC - I >>> didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other >>> people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI
at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've
watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
lol, where's that fuck altman when u need him....
aren't like dyson sphere's just around the corner???
EfyeEfyeEfye
On 10/11/2025 11:58 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/11/25 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:This is great! Someone to talk to that's not rude and abrasive and
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 12:29:44 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1177569966
SHAPIRO: OK, so you've spent your career creating television without
AI,
and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that tool >>>> to solve those thorny problems, or saying...
SIMON: You mentioned that.
SHAPIRO: ...Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.
SIMON: I don't think AI can remotely challenge what writers do at a
fundamentally creative level.
SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from Scene 5 to Scene 6 and >>>> you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that
portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to
transition.
SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
SHAPIRO: You would rather put a gun in your mouth.
SIMON: I mean, what you're saying to me effectively is there's no
original way to do anything, and...
SHAPIRO: No.
SIMON: Yes, you are.
SHAPIRO: That seems like a kind of absolutist take.
SIMON: Not only, I think, is it a fundamental violation of the
integrity
of writers and also of copyright - you know, when I sold all the
scripts
I sold - you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC
- I
didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with
other
people's and be used again by a corporation.
SHAPIRO: So would you ever agree to a contract that saw any role for AI >>>> at all?
SIMON: No, I would not. If that's where this industry is going, it's
going to infantilize itself. We're all going to be watching stuff we've >>>> watched before, only worse.
Indeed.
lol, where's that fuck altman when u need him....
aren't like dyson sphere's just around the corner???
EfyeEfyeEfye
asking the right questions. Good work!