From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

The machine is beginning to turn. The ceasefire agreed between Israel
and Hamas, brokered with the direct involvement of President Trump, his
envoy Steve Witkoff, and adviser Jared Kushner, has now formally taken
effect. Hostages are not yet returned, but the mechanism for their
release is in place. According to the agreement, Hamas must release all
20 living hostages within 72 hours. The countdown has begun.

Israel is redeploying troops along new lines in accordance with the
terms. American forces, around 200 personnel, are arriving in Israel to support a joint control centre intended to coordinate humanitarian
logistics and the entry of international actors into Gaza. Crucially,
these troops will not enter the Strip. Their role is to manage the flow,
not dictate it.

This is the deal, or at least the part of it that matters right now. Not
the clauses about local police forces or the disarmament of jihadist
groups. Those are, in strategic terms, fictions. They exist for
political cover, not operational planning. No one serious believes Hamas
will voluntarily give up its weapons or dissolve itself into some future technocratic Gazan authority. That is no more likely now than it was in
2006. Hezbollah has still not disarmed in Lebanon. Hamas will not likely disarm in Gaza.

But those clauses were never the point. They are sweeteners, crafted for
the Arab states that still need to appear invested in rCythe Palestinian issue,rCO and for Western leaders who require a fantasy ending to sell to their increasingly extremist constituencies. Macron, Starmer, and others
may cling to the storybook. They need it, politically. But those making
the deal know what is real. The real deal is the next 72 hours. The
hostages. The ceasefire. The positioning. Everything else remains to be
seen.

This is what Netanyahu has kept in view. Despite two years of war,
enormous international pressure, and persistent domestic upheaval, he
has maintained a consistent focus on securing the return of the
hostages, despite the accusations to the contrary made by his enemies
and detractors. In his words: rCyWe promised, and we are delivering.rCO The price has been steep. Israel is releasing dozens of convicted
Palestinian prisoners. It is an appalling exchange on its face. But only
those insulated from reality would call it unjustified. Two hundred and
fifty prisoners will be released from Israeli jails. Two hundred and
thirty killed people, 206 were involved in terror activity. Only ten did
not commit violence or killing. These are mostly brutal murderers and psychopathic terrorists.

Among those being freed are men behind some of the bloodiest massacres
of the Second Intifada. Muhammad Abu Tabikh orchestrated the Megiddo
Junction bus bombing in 2002, where 17 commuters were torn apart in a
fireball on their way to work. Muhammad Akel helped plan the Karkur
Junction attack, in which two suicide bombers blew up a packed bus near Hadera, killing 14 and wounding scores more. And Bahar Badr, a senior
Hamas operative, tied to multiple atrocities. These are not political prisoners or freedom fighters but men who targeted caf|--goers, students,
and passengers rCo whose release under this deal underscores the
unbearable moral arithmetic of hostage diplomacy.

Israeli journalist Amit Segal has reported that Itamar Ben-Gvir,
objecting to the deal, asked Jared Kushner if he would have made peace
with Hitler, telling him rCyHamas is Hitler. They want to kill us.rCO And protestors in the UK and beyond seem determined to keep marching on our streets in defiance of this tough deal. But it is not protestors
chanting idiocies about rCyliberationrCO who bear the cost of refusing a
deal. It is the families who would never see their children again. It is
the soldiers who would be sent to die in search-and-recovery missions
through booby-trapped tunnels. It is the state, forced to trade away its deterrence to keep its covenant with its people.

And Israel is making that trade. Because it is serious. Because it
governs. Because it lives in the world as it is, not as the deluded
imagine it. Netanyahu himself put it plainly: rCyHamas never agreed to
release all our hostages while we were inside the StriprCa Hamas agreed to
the deal only when it felt the sword was at its neck rCo and it still is
at its neck.rCO That sword is the Israeli army, still positioned across
Gaza, still controlling strategic points, still ready to resume the
offensive the moment the deal is broken.

TrumprCOs role in this must be recognised, especially by those who sneered when he was last in office and cheered the arrival of rCyadult leadershiprCO in Washington when Biden took over. It is Trump, not Biden, whose plan
now governs the path forward. His team assembled the framework. His
presence in the region, and his credibility with Netanyahu, enabled the convergence of Arab states, the deployment of a coordinated task force,
and the final press on Hamas. The rCyadultsrCO of the diplomatic salons were offered their fantasy clauses; the hostages are being brought home under
terms the real adults dictated.

This is the harshness of reality. Israel, under Netanyahu, accepted the burden. It resisted calls to retreat, ignored foreign pressure, and
persisted until Hamas broke. Now, it is executing the most painful phase
of the plan: prisoner releases, exposure to risk, public scrutiny, all
for the return of its citizens.

The hostages are not yet back. The war is not over. But the mechanism
has begun. The real test is unfolding now. If the hostages return within
the window, a new stage opens. If Hamas fails, Israel will act,
unencumbered, justified, and prepared. Everything else is commentary.



Jonathan Sacerdoti
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From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 16:04:46 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

The machine is beginning to turn. The ceasefire agreed between Israel
and Hamas, brokered with the direct involvement of President Trump, his >envoy Steve Witkoff, and adviser Jared Kushner, has now formally taken >effect. Hostages are not yet returned, but the mechanism for their
release is in place. According to the agreement, Hamas must release all
20 living hostages within 72 hours. The countdown has begun.

Israel is redeploying troops along new lines in accordance with the
terms. American forces, around 200 personnel, are arriving in Israel to >support a joint control centre intended to coordinate humanitarian
logistics and the entry of international actors into Gaza. Crucially,
these troops will not enter the Strip. Their role is to manage the flow,
not dictate it.

This is the deal, or at least the part of it that matters right now. Not
the clauses about local police forces or the disarmament of jihadist
groups. Those are, in strategic terms, fictions. They exist for
political cover, not operational planning. No one serious believes Hamas >will voluntarily give up its weapons or dissolve itself into some future >technocratic Gazan authority. That is no more likely now than it was in >2006. Hezbollah has still not disarmed in Lebanon. Hamas will not likely >disarm in Gaza.

True peace has not been declared. Surrender has not been declared.
Ceasefire has been declared. Which can always be followed by commence
firing. IDF has retreated to a line. Not returned to israel, not
dispersed.

But we need not be so cynical.

Not necessarily:
Those are, in strategic terms, fictions.
They are sweeteners, crafted for the Arab states

As you say below
Everything else remains to be seen.

But you needed to put your cynicism out there. yizzat?

But those clauses were never the point. They are sweeteners, crafted for
the Arab states that still need to appear invested in athe Palestinian >issue,A and for Western leaders who require a fantasy ending to sell to >their increasingly extremist constituencies. Macron, Starmer, and others
may cling to the storybook. They need it, politically. But those making
the deal know what is real. The real deal is the next 72 hours. The >hostages. The ceasefire. The positioning. Everything else remains to be >seen.

This is what Netanyahu has kept in view. Despite two years of war,
enormous international pressure, and persistent domestic upheaval, he
has maintained a consistent focus on securing the return of the
hostages, despite the accusations to the contrary made by his enemies
and detractors. In his words: aWe promised, and we are delivering.A The >price has been steep. Israel is releasing dozens of convicted
Palestinian prisoners. It is an appalling exchange on its face. But only >those insulated from reality would call it unjustified. Two hundred and >fifty prisoners will be released from Israeli jails. Two hundred and
thirty killed people, 206 were involved in terror activity. Only ten did
not commit violence or killing. These are mostly brutal murderers and >psychopathic terrorists.

Among those being freed are men behind some of the bloodiest massacres
of the Second Intifada. Muhammad Abu Tabikh orchestrated the Megiddo >Junction bus bombing in 2002, where 17 commuters were torn apart in a >fireball on their way to work. Muhammad Akel helped plan the Karkur
Junction attack, in which two suicide bombers blew up a packed bus near >Hadera, killing 14 and wounding scores more. And Bahar Badr, a senior
Hamas operative, tied to multiple atrocities. These are not political >prisoners or freedom fighters but men who targeted cafo-goers, students,
and passengers u whose release under this deal underscores the
unbearable moral arithmetic of hostage diplomacy.

Israeli journalist Amit Segal has reported that Itamar Ben-Gvir,
objecting to the deal, asked Jared Kushner if he would have made peace
with Hitler, telling him aHamas is Hitler. They want to kill us.A And >protestors in the UK and beyond seem determined to keep marching on our >streets in defiance of this tough deal. But it is not protestors
chanting idiocies about aliberationA who bear the cost of refusing a
deal. It is the families who would never see their children again. It is
the soldiers who would be sent to die in search-and-recovery missions >through booby-trapped tunnels. It is the state, forced to trade away its >deterrence to keep its covenant with its people.

And Israel is making that trade. Because it is serious. Because it
governs. Because it lives in the world as it is, not as the deluded
imagine it. Netanyahu himself put it plainly: aHamas never agreed to
release all our hostages while we were inside the Stripa Hamas agreed to
the deal only when it felt the sword was at its neck u and it still is
at its neck.A That sword is the Israeli army, still positioned across
Gaza, still controlling strategic points, still ready to resume the >offensive the moment the deal is broken.

TrumpAs role in this must be recognised, especially by those who sneered >when he was last in office and cheered the arrival of aadult leadershipA
in Washington when Biden took over. It is Trump, not Biden, whose plan
now governs the path forward. His team assembled the framework. His
presence in the region, and his credibility with Netanyahu, enabled the >convergence of Arab states, the deployment of a coordinated task force,
and the final press on Hamas. The aadultsA of the diplomatic salons were >offered their fantasy clauses; the hostages are being brought home under >terms the real adults dictated.

This is the harshness of reality. Israel, under Netanyahu, accepted the >burden. It resisted calls to retreat, ignored foreign pressure, and >persisted until Hamas broke. Now, it is executing the most painful phase
of the plan: prisoner releases, exposure to risk, public scrutiny, all
for the return of its citizens.

The hostages are not yet back. The war is not over. But the mechanism
has begun. The real test is unfolding now. If the hostages return within
the window, a new stage opens. If Hamas fails, Israel will act, >unencumbered, justified, and prepared. Everything else is commentary.

Jonathan Sacerdoti

--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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