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In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night,
Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: aBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the
children of God.A Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them
words you wonAt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be Nobel >laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to
his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentAs agenda was frustrated by
both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within
the administrative state. ItAs exceedingly difficult to be America First >when thereAs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic
importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic >dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden
would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved
his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the
Auschwitz-style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig
their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its
residents, bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only >politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had
to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not >withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that >hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having enjoyed >unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old agenocideA accusation finally embraced
by Western elites and one government after another recognising Palestine >while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was >entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical >Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly,
and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking points of >certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying >budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt,
the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US
ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and >other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite of all
the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to fail and >likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for
deal-making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnAt diplomatic >agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumpAs arrogance
and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international
stage, heAs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his >personality u and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive u by >being, quite frankly, a bully u he has forced even the most inflexible >interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to aspeak softly and carry a big stickA. Trump lets the stick
do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not
least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy >tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant >infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel. But for
now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come
has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumpAs critics, among whom I count myself, will
see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After all, if >this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and
all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel lobby, >surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it >acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his deal is
not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not apeaceA as
an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves
them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that >DebrettAs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the Council on >Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they get
the job done.
Stephen Daisley
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 12:24:23 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night, >>Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: aBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the >>children of God.A Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them >>words you wonAt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be Nobel >>laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to
his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more >>aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentAs agenda was frustrated by
both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within
the administrative state. ItAs exceedingly difficult to be America First >>when thereAs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic >>importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic >>dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden
would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved
his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the >>Auschwitz-style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig >>their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its >>residents, bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only >>politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had
to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not >>withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that >>hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having enjoyed >>unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its >>direction, with its decades-old agenocideA accusation finally embraced
by Western elites and one government after another recognising Palestine >>while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was >>entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical >>Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly,
and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking points of >>certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying >>budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt,
the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US >>ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and >>other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite of all >>the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to fail and >>likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for >>deal-making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnAt diplomatic >>agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumpAs arrogance >>and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international >>stage, heAs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his >>personality u and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive u by >>being, quite frankly, a bully u he has forced even the most inflexible >>interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised >>presidents to aspeak softly and carry a big stickA. Trump lets the stick >>do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not >>least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy >>tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant >>infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel. But for >>now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come
has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumpAs critics, among whom I count myself, will >>see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with >>Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After all, if >>this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and >>all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel lobby, >>surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it >>acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his deal is >>not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not apeaceA as >>an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves >>them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that >>DebrettAs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the Council on >>Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they get >>the job done.
Stephen Daisley
Unfortunately the job is not quite done.
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote in news:83dfekh15agsadhor2u8kihrjgjs5kimls@4ax.com:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 12:24:23 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night,
Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: rCyBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the
children of God.rCO Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them
words you wonrCOt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be Nobel >>> laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to
his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentrCOs agenda was frustrated by
both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within
the administrative state. ItrCOs exceedingly difficult to be America First >>> when thererCOs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic
importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic
dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden
would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved
his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the
Auschwitz-style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig
their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its
residents, bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only
politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had
to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not
withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that
hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having enjoyed
unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old rCygenociderCO accusation finally embraced >>> by Western elites and one government after another recognising Palestine >>> while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was
entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical
Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly,
and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking points of >>> certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying
budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt,
the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US
ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and
other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite of all >>> the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to fail and >>> likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for
deal-making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnrCOt diplomatic >>> agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumprCOs arrogance >>> and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international
stage, herCOs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his
personality rCo and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive rCo by >>> being, quite frankly, a bully rCo he has forced even the most inflexible >>> interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to rCyspeak softly and carry a big stickrCO. Trump lets the stick
do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not
least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy
tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant
infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel. But for >>> now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come
has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumprCOs critics, among whom I count myself, will >>> see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After all, if >>> this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and
all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel lobby, >>> surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it
acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his deal is >>> not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not rCypeacerCO as
an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves
them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that
DebrettrCOs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the Council on >>> Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they get
the job done.
Stephen Daisley
Unfortunately the job is not quite done.
The plan doesn't end here. There is so much more that has been planned. There are many that have been part of these plans. We do not see all of them. We are witnessing our slice of history unfold.
On 10/9/25 8:09 AM, David LaRue wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote in
news:83dfekh15agsadhor2u8kihrjgjs5kimls@4ax.com:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 12:24:23 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night,
Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: rCyBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the
children of God.rCO Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them >>>> words you wonrCOt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be Nobel >>>> laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to >>>> his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America First >>>> in rhetoric since so much of the presidentrCOs agenda was frustrated by >>>> both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within
the administrative state. ItrCOs exceedingly difficult to be America
First
when thererCOs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic
importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic
dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden
would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved >>>> his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the
Auschwitz-style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig >>>> their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its
residents, bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only
politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had >>>> to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not
withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that >>>> hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having enjoyed >>>> unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old rCygenociderCO accusation finally embraced >>>> by Western elites and one government after another recognising
Palestine
while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was
entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical
Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly,
and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking
points of
certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying >>>> budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt, >>>> the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US >>>> ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions invested >>>> in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his role >>>> in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and >>>> other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite of
all
the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to fail
and
likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for
deal-making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnrCOt
diplomatic
agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumprCOs arrogance >>>> and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international
stage, herCOs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his
personality rCo and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive rCo by
being, quite frankly, a bully rCo he has forced even the most inflexible >>>> interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to rCyspeak softly and carry a big stickrCO. Trump lets the >>>> stick
do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not >>>> least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy >>>> tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant
infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel. But
for
now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come >>>> has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumprCOs critics, among whom I count myself, >>>> will
see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After
all, if
this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and >>>> all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel
lobby,
surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it
acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his
deal is
not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not
rCypeacerCO as
an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves >>>> them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that >>>> DebrettrCOs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the
Council on
Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they get >>>> the job done.
Stephen Daisley
Unfortunately the job is not quite done.
The plan doesn't end here.-a There is so much more that has been planned.
There are many that have been part of these plans.-a We do not see all of
them.-a We are witnessing our slice of history unfold.
what plan is that?
On 10/9/2025 9:53 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/9/25 8:09 AM, David LaRue wrote:The Trump peace plan?
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote in
news:83dfekh15agsadhor2u8kihrjgjs5kimls@4ax.com:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 12:24:23 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night, >>>>> Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: rCyBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the >>>>> children of God.rCO Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them >>>>> words you wonrCOt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be >>>>> Nobel
laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to >>>>> his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America
First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentrCOs agenda was frustrated by >>>>> both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within >>>>> the administrative state. ItrCOs exceedingly difficult to be America >>>>> First
when thererCOs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic
importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic >>>>> dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden >>>>> would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved >>>>> his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the
Auschwitz-style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig >>>>> their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its
residents, bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only
politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had >>>>> to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not >>>>> withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that >>>>> hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having
enjoyed
unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old rCygenociderCO accusation finally embraced
by Western elites and one government after another recognising
Palestine
while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was >>>>> entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical >>>>> Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly, >>>>> and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking
points of
certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying >>>>> budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt, >>>>> the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US >>>>> ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions
invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his
role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates >>>>> and
other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite
of all
the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to
fail and
likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for
deal-making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnrCOt
diplomatic
agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumprCOs
arrogance
and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international >>>>> stage, herCOs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his >>>>> personality rCo and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive >>>>> rCo by
being, quite frankly, a bully rCo he has forced even the most inflexible >>>>> interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to rCyspeak softly and carry a big stickrCO. Trump lets the >>>>> stick
do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not >>>>> least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy >>>>> tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant >>>>> infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel.
But for
now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come >>>>> has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumprCOs critics, among whom I count myself, >>>>> will
see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After
all, if
this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, >>>>> and
all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel
lobby,
surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it
acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his
deal is
not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not
rCypeacerCO as
an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves >>>>> them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that >>>>> DebrettrCOs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the
Council on
Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they >>>>> get
the job done.
Stephen Daisley
Unfortunately the job is not quite done.
The plan doesn't end here.-a There is so much more that has been planned. >>> There are many that have been part of these plans.-a We do not see all of >>> them.-a We are witnessing our slice of history unfold.
what plan is that?
On 10/9/25 11:35 AM, Dude wrote:
On 10/9/2025 9:53 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/9/25 8:09 AM, David LaRue wrote:The Trump peace plan?
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote in
news:83dfekh15agsadhor2u8kihrjgjs5kimls@4ax.com:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 12:24:23 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night, >>>>>> Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: aBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the >>>>>> children of God.A Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them >>>>>> words you wonAt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be >>>>>> Nobel
laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to >>>>>> his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America >>>>>> First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentAs agenda was frustrated by >>>>>> both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within >>>>>> the administrative state. ItAs exceedingly difficult to be America >>>>>> First
when thereAs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic
importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic >>>>>> dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden >>>>>> would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved >>>>>> his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the
Auschwitz-style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig >>>>>> their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its
residents, bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only >>>>>> politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had >>>>>> to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not >>>>>> withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that >>>>>> hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having
enjoyed
unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old agenocideA accusation finally embraced >>>>>> by Western elites and one government after another recognising
Palestine
while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was >>>>>> entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical >>>>>> Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly, >>>>>> and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking
points of
certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying >>>>>> budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt, >>>>>> the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US >>>>>> ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions
invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by >>>>>> asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his >>>>>> role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates >>>>>> and
other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite >>>>>> of all
the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to
fail and
likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for
deal-making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnAt
diplomatic
agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumpAs
arrogance
and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible. >>>>>> Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international >>>>>> stage, heAs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his >>>>>> personality u and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive >>>>>> u by
being, quite frankly, a bully u he has forced even the most inflexible >>>>>> interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to aspeak softly and carry a big stickA. Trump lets the >>>>>> stick
do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not >>>>>> least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy >>>>>> tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant >>>>>> infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel.
But for
now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this >>>>>> latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come >>>>>> has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumpAs critics, among whom I count myself, >>>>>> will
see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After
all, if
this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, >>>>>> and
all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel >>>>>> lobby,
surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it
acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his
deal is
not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not
apeaceA as
an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves >>>>>> them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that >>>>>> DebrettAs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the
Council on
Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they >>>>>> get
the job done.
Stephen Daisley
Unfortunately the job is not quite done.
The plan doesn't end here.a There is so much more that has been planned. >>>> There are many that have been part of these plans.a We do not see all of >>>> them.a We are witnessing our slice of history unfold.
what plan is that?
like what happened to the ukrainian peace plan?
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night,
Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: rCyBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.rCO Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them words you wonrCOt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be Nobel laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to
his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentrCOs agenda was frustrated by
both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within
the administrative state. ItrCOs exceedingly difficult to be America First when thererCOs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden
would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved
his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the Auschwitz-
style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig their own graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its residents,
bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only politically desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had to clear were considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having enjoyed unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old rCygenociderCO accusation finally embraced by Western elites and one government after another recognising Palestine while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly,
and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking points of certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt,
the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US
ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite of all
the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to fail and likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for deal-
making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnrCOt diplomatic agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumprCOs arrogance and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international
stage, herCOs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his personality rCo and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive rCo by being, quite frankly, a bully rCo he has forced even the most inflexible interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to rCyspeak softly and carry a big stickrCO. Trump lets the stick do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not
least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel. But for
now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come
has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumprCOs critics, among whom I count myself, will see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After all, if this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and
all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel lobby, surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his deal is
not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not rCypeacerCO as an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves
them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that DebrettrCOs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the Council on Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they get
the job done.
Stephen Daisleyhttps://order-order.com/2025/10/10/trump-snubbed-by-nobel-committee-as-maria-machado-wins-peace-prize/
On 09/10/2025 12:24, Julian wrote:
In confirming the Israel-Hamas peace deal on Truth Social last night,
Donald Trump referenced the seventh Beatitude from the Gospel of
Matthew: aBlessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the
children of God.A Trump has been called a lot of things, many of them
words you wonAt find in the Bible, but could his next monicker be Nobel
laureate?
The Gaza war did not begin on his watch and it was not the backdrop to
his second term that he wished for. Trump II has been much more
aggressively America First than Trump I, which was mostly America First
in rhetoric since so much of the presidentAs agenda was frustrated by
both parties in Congress and bipartisan hostility to MAGA from within
the administrative state. ItAs exceedingly difficult to be America First
when thereAs a war raging in the Middle East, given the strategic
importance of that region for energy, trade routes, and US diplomatic
dominance. So Trump resolved that a war that started under Joe Biden
would finish under Trump. If this deal holds up, he will have achieved
his goal.
Given the loss of life among Israelis and Palestinians, the Auschwitz-
style treatment of Jewish hostages starved and forced to dig their own
graves, the destruction of Gaza and displacement of its residents,
bringing these hostilities to a conclusion was not only politically
desirable but morally essential. Yet the hurdles Trump had to clear were
considerable.
An intransigent Benjamin Netanyahu was adamant that Israel would not
withdraw from Gaza until all its hostages had been liberated from that
hellhole. Hamas was uninterested in a US-brokered peace, having enjoyed
unprecedented success in shifting European policy sharply in its
direction, with its decades-old agenocideA accusation finally embraced
by Western elites and one government after another recognising Palestine
while sanctioning Israel.
Trump had to get Israel on board all the while his MAGA coalition was
entrenched in a war of its own between right-wingers and evangelical
Christians in the pro-Israel camp, and MAGA influencers who suddenly,
and for reasons we might never know, began echoing the talking points of
certain oil-rich Arab and Islamic regimes with lavish foreign lobbying
budgets.
Trump also had to balance competing regional interests (Turkey, Egypt,
the Gulf states) and tip-toe along a diplomatic tightrope after one US
ally (Israel) bombed another (Qatar) where the US has billions invested
in a military base.
Five years ago, I raised some eyebrows among my fellow liberals by
asking whether Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his role
in brokering normalisation between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and
other Arab and Muslim nations. He did so, I pointed out, in spite of all
the smart people decrying his every action as dumb and bound to fail and
likely to plunge the world into catastrophe. His reputation for deal-
making was, we were assured, bogus and even if it wasnAt diplomatic
agreements worked very differently to business pacts. TrumpAs arrogance
and abrasiveness, we were told, would make negotiations impossible.
Turns out they were wrong about that, too.
Trump has not only shown that he can make deals on the international
stage, heAs rewritten the rules of diplomacy by sheer force of his
personality u and his quick temper. By being arrogant and abrasive u by
being, quite frankly, a bully u he has forced even the most inflexible
interlocutors to soften their positions. Teddy Roosevelt advised
presidents to aspeak softly and carry a big stickA. Trump lets the stick
do all the talking. Like it or not, it seems to work.
There are still unanswered questions about the terms of this deal, not
least what happens when, as is inevitable, Hamas or another Iran proxy
tramples all over it, either by a succession of small but significant
infractions or by a fresh wave of terror attacks against Israel. But for
now there is, for the first time in two years, real hope that this
latest episode of Middle Easterners blowing each other to Kingdom come
has drawn to a close.
If it has, even some of TrumpAs critics, among whom I count myself, will
see a case for awarding him the Peace Prize, perhaps jointly with
Netanyahu and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar. After all, if
this really was a genocide, a mass starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and
all the other lies and distortions that came from the anti-Israel lobby,
surely you would want to see the man responsible for stopping it
acknowledged in some way.
In truth, though, the imprimatur Trump should be seeking for his deal is
not that of Norwegian eggheads but of plummeting death tolls, an
extended period of quiet, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Not apeaceA as
an ideal but as an on-the-ground reality that saves lives and improves
them. So what if he got there by unorthodox means and in a manner that
DebrettAs Etiquette and Modern Manners, to say nothing of the Council on
Foreign Relations, would not approve of? Peace is peace.
Blessed are the dealmakers, for whatever they might be called, they get
the job done.
Stephen Daisley >https://order-order.com/2025/10/10/trump-snubbed-by-nobel-committee-as-maria-machado-wins-peace-prize/