• Is stupidity an emergent property of plenty?

    From Wilson@Wilson@nowhere.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 10:51:12 2025
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    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which would
    cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would not
    afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnrCOt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what
    happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human flourishing
    and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable fat reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable
    in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment removed many of
    those penalties, replacing them with a well intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to
    conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined, the consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually work
    against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the
    high-trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make things
    nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that discourage
    ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency, well, thatrCOs why
    we cannot have nice things.

    ItrCOs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part of
    the cycle is not kind to the stupid.
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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 09:29:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 10/8/2025 7:51 AM, Wilson wrote:

    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which would
    cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would not
    afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnrCOt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human flourishing
    and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable fat reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable
    in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment removed many of those penalties, replacing them with a well intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined, the consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually work against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the high-
    trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make things
    nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that discourage
    ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency, well, thatrCOs why
    we cannot have nice things.

    ItrCOs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part of
    the cycle is not kind to the stupid.

    And, so it is the same today - we are slaves to the system.

    You can't make this stuff up!

    "In order to hold on their cheap illegal labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY states and cities. And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting to enforce the
    federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens." - Breitbart
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 12:37:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:51:12 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:


    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which would
    cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would not
    afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnAt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what
    happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human flourishing
    and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable fat >reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable
    in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment removed many of >those penalties, replacing them with a well intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to >conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined, the >consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually work >against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the
    high-trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make things
    nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that discourage
    ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency, well, thatAs why
    we cannot have nice things.

    ItAs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part of
    the cycle is not kind to the stupid.

    A typical version of reality for somebody who congratulates himself
    for not being a moron.

    This is another one of those self-serving half truths from the
    self-satisfied libertarian mind. But sorta half true. It is a
    suficient but not necessary explanation.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Wilson@Wilson@nowhere.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 13:10:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 10/8/2025 12:29 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 10/8/2025 7:51 AM, Wilson wrote:

    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which would
    cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would not
    afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnrCOt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what
    happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human
    flourishing and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable
    fat reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so
    comfortable in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment
    removed many of those penalties, replacing them with a well
    intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to
    conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined, the
    consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually work
    against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the high-
    trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make
    things nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that
    discourage ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency, well,
    thatrCOs why we cannot have nice things.

    ItrCOs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part
    of the cycle is not kind to the stupid.

    And, so it is the same today - we are slaves to the system.

    You can't make this stuff up!

    "In order to hold on their cheap illegal labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY states and cities. And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens." - Breitbart

    Pretty much.

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  • From Wilson@Wilson@nowhere.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 13:15:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 10/8/2025 12:37 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:51:12 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:


    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which would
    cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would not
    afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnrCOt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what
    happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human flourishing
    and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable fat
    reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable
    in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment removed many of
    those penalties, replacing them with a well intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to
    conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined, the
    consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually work
    against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the
    high-trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make things
    nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that discourage
    ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency, well, thatrCOs why
    we cannot have nice things.

    ItrCOs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part of
    the cycle is not kind to the stupid.

    A typical version of reality for somebody who congratulates himself
    for not being a moron.

    This is another one of those self-serving half truths from the
    self-satisfied libertarian mind. But sorta half true. It is a
    suficient but not necessary explanation.

    Whatever you do, remember that it's "not necessary" to notice the idiots
    who are degrading civilization all around us. Because that would be mean.

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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 13:17:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:15:41 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 10/8/2025 12:37 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:51:12 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:


    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which would
    cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would not
    afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnAt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what
    happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human flourishing >>> and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable fat
    reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable >>> in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment removed many of >>> those penalties, replacing them with a well intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to
    conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined, the
    consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually work
    against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the
    high-trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make things
    nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that discourage
    ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency, well, thatAs why
    we cannot have nice things.

    ItAs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part of
    the cycle is not kind to the stupid.

    A typical version of reality for somebody who congratulates himself
    for not being a moron.

    This is another one of those self-serving half truths from the
    self-satisfied libertarian mind. But sorta half true. It is a
    suficient but not necessary explanation.

    Whatever you do, remember that it's "not necessary" to notice the idiots
    who are degrading civilization all around us. Because that would be mean.

    That's ok, I have no compunction against being mean to self-serving self-satisfied libertarians.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Oct 8 11:41:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 10/8/2025 10:10 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 10/8/2025 12:29 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 10/8/2025 7:51 AM, Wilson wrote:

    "Everything else being equal, when the price of something goes down
    people tend to consume more of it.

    Up to the 1600s most people everywhere were poor and life was short,
    nasty, and brutish. Being an idiot was a "severe selector" which
    would cull you from the herd and assure that genes like yours would
    not afflict future generations.

    The price of stupidity on the individual and the societal levels was
    pretty high. In a world where humanity existed at the edge of its
    structural carrying capacity, there's small margin for error.

    You didnrCOt lay in enough food or firewood for the winter? Guess what
    happens now.

    You allow your society to choose systems that restrict human
    flourishing and encourage dependence and predation? Same result.

    Calamity used to be quick. Now it's a slow burn through the sizable
    fat reserves of the civilizational success that made everyone so
    comfortable in the first place. The plenty of the post-enlightenment
    removed many of those penalties, replacing them with a well
    intentioned subsidy.

    That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

    It's also how you enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to
    conquest and collapse. As the price of being a moron has declined,
    the consumption of this metaphysical "good" has increased.

    Too much plenty and the softness it encourages, seems to actually
    work against the societies that created that plenty, undermining the
    high- trust underpinnings required for widespread human flourishing.

    You may not like this and sincerely wish that we could just make
    things nice for everyone, but when you subsidize behaviors that
    discourage ideas like flourishing, self-sufficiency, and agency,
    well, thatrCOs why we cannot have nice things.

    ItrCOs simple emergent incentive.

    Soft times create morons and morons create hard times. The next part
    of the cycle is not kind to the stupid.

    And, so it is the same today - we are slaves to the system.

    You can't make this stuff up!

    "In order to hold on their cheap illegal labor, Democrats have created
    a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY states and cities. And now, just >> like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war against a
    federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting to
    enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens." -
    Breitbart

    Pretty much.

    We all know who wants and who is currently fighting a hot civil war
    against America.

    This is history repeating itself.

    "What happened in 1860? Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to
    hold on to their cheap slave labor, and as soon as they believed
    Republicans might take all that cheap slave labor away, they launched
    the Civil War."

    https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z
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