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When I invented the term rCycry bullyrCO in this very magazine ten years
ago, I had no idea how much bigger both theory and practice could get.
It already seemed to have reached such a tipping point that surely rCyThe Grown-ups in the RoomrCO of the time, or subsequently, would put a tin lid
on such flagrant stupidity. I wrote, in part:

"This is the age of the cry bully, a hideous hybrid of victim and
victor, weeper and walloper. They are everywhere, these duplicit Pushmi-Pullyus of the personal and the political, from Celebrity Big
Brother to the frontline of IslamismrCa Cry bullies do end up isolated, as their determination to be victim and victor eventually wears out the
patience of the most forbearing friend. But they can also be found
hanging around in gangs; then, cry bullies really come into their own
and are not just irritating but dangerous. Islamism is the ultimate cry
bully cause; on one hand stamping around murdering anyone who doesnrCOt
agree with you, on the other hand yelling rCyISLAMOPHOBIArCO in lieu of
having a real adult debate about the merits of your caserCaThe
British-born Islamist recently sentenced to 12 years had no problem
posing with severed heads (rCyHeads, kaffirs, disgustingrCO) and asking friends back home to send him condoms which he planned to use raping
women captured as rCywar bootyrCO but then claimed to be having nightmares
and suffering from depression in order to escape jail."

But no, a decade on itrCOs become pretty much the default setting of our times. This can lead to funny faux pas, such as doofuses like Owen Jones
rCo who was partly the inspiration for my savagely amusing creation rCo
using the phrase about other people, unaware that he who dealt it, smelt
it, to quote my unspeakably vulgar schoolmates on the subject of
flatulence. On the other hand, it can lead to very serious developments
such as aforementioned political Islamism seeking special protection via making Islamophobia illegal, delicate little blushing violet that it
also somehow is.

In the wake of the Manchester synagogue attack, we might ask ourselves
why the Jews in particular have attracted the ire of Islamic extremists. Pretending that itrCOs about Gaza is the easy way out; I think itrCOs far
more likely that the root of the trouble lies with the fact that Judaism
was the first monotheistic (Abrahamic, if you like, which I do, as it
further annoys Islamists) religion, around some 2,000 years before
Islam. We know theyrCOve got a bee in their bonnets about being first; see
the ridiculous idea that one does not rCyconvertrCO to Islam but rather rCyrevertsrCO to it, as werCOre all born that way.

LetrCOs start with A for Archaeology. ThererCOs always some humourless saddo who thinks that theyrCOre pointing out for the first time that rCo ho ho ho rCo there are stamps saying rCyPalestine: Land of the BiblerCO in the early part of the century. But rCo ha ha ha rCo that was merely what the British occupiers called Zion, when the fag-ends of the Ottoman Empire were
being tied up. If werCOre talking about history, earlier this year a
silver coin dating from the 6th to 5th centuriesBC was found in what was
then the Kingdom of Judah; on the other hand, the rCyPalestinianrCO flag was adopted by the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, becoming the official flag of rCyPalestinerCO in 1988. That means that Polaroid cameras (first one on sale in 1948) go back further than the official rCyState of Palestine flagrCO. Some history!

Being well aware what cry bullies the Islamists on their doorstep are,
Israel has bent over backwards many times in order to prevent a boo-hoo
that could turn into a suicide bombing. You only have to think of the
Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews, originating in the first
century; on top of that, the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem built the
Dome of the Rock in the seventh century. A child could work out who
should have ownership. Yet neither Jews nor Christians are allowed to
pray in this place which is so precious to both of them.

YourCOll often hear state-approved rCycomediansrCO mocking Christianity on their tragic little panel shows, but the Koran is strictly off limits.
Quiz them on this and you might hear some bluster about rCypunching uprCO
not rCypunching downrCO. (In a similar vein, those who refused to back the Charlie Hedbo journalists, like Laurie Penny, accused the magazine of rCyracist trollingrCO.) But this focus on Christianity once again seems a prime example of cry bullyism. Christianity is now the most persecuted religion in the world; Islam is the fastest growing, and the richest.
Tell a migrant worker-slave in Qatar or a gay man in Dubai or a spirited
woman in Iran that Islam is powerless. How come none of the fearless
Radio 4 drolls dares to get a rise out of the bit in the Hadiths which
tell us that:

rCyThe last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the
Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide
themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say:
Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill
him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the JewsrCO

All those talking trees and flying horses; I suppose a Disney filmrCOs out
of the question?

Do Islamists hate Jews in particular because theyrCOre so clever? WerCOre always being told that the Arab world invented everything from algebra
to zebra crossings, but itrCOs odd then that Jews should have won 22 per
cent of Nobel prizes rCo despite comprising less than 0.2 per cent of the worldrCOs population. In everyday life, Jew-hating adherents of Islam seem remarkably thick; I donrCOt recall one Jewish medic or BBC reporter
boasting openly on social media about how much he hated Muslims, but the reverse is woefully evident, the latest being the charming doctor father
of the Manchester murderer, who is reported to have praised the October
7th terrorists as rCyAllahrCOs men on earth.rCO

I canrCOt stress enough that itrCOs not just the 1948 rebooting of the
ancient land of Israel which makes Jew-haters of all stripes hate Jews. ThatrCOs just a handy excuse. Amos Oz famously wrote that rCyWhen my father was a young man in Vilnius, every wall in Europe said, rCLJews go home to Palestine.rCY Fifty years later, when he went back to Europe on a visit,
the walls all screamed, rCLJews get out of Palestine.rCYrCO

Islamists generally see others than themselves as not quite human.
Slavery is still a thing which we talk about white people doing to
non-white people in the past; not only was Islamic slavery a huge thing, itrCOs still going on, whether those slaves be sexual (remember Isis
behaviour towards the Yazidis) or otherwise. Contrast this with the egalitarian nature of the Jews, who were particularly active in the establishment of urban trades unions when they came here in large
numbers at the end of the 19th century onwards. The Jews have always
been grown-ups; they never expected to be babied rCo George Weidenfeld
arrived in London from Vienna as a young refugee in 1938 with limited
English and a postal order for 16 shillings and six pence. But the
babying of Islamism in this country is beyond belief. At least Angela
Rayner and her rCyIslamophobiarCO law have been sent packing, with the new Muslim Home Secretary indicating that she believes such a preferential
law might do more harm than good.

Why should we care, as Gentiles? Because werCOre human. Because the Jews
have added so much to our country. And if altruism doesnrCOt appeal to
you, remember that rCyAfter Saturday comes SundayrCO rCo a phrase used by fundamentalists to intimidate Christians in the Middle East. Already
across Africa the kidnappings, rapes and mass murders of Christians by Islamist extremists are common.

In short, Islamism, you need to stop being the worldrCOs biggest cry bully.


Julie Burchill
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On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 11:12:42 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

When I invented the term acry bullyA in this very magazine ten years
ago, I had no idea how much bigger both theory and practice could get.
It already seemed to have reached such a tipping point that surely aThe >Grown-ups in the RoomA of the time, or subsequently, would put a tin lid
on such flagrant stupidity. I wrote, in part:

"This is the age of the cry bully, a hideous hybrid of victim and
victor, weeper and walloper. They are everywhere, these duplicit >Pushmi-Pullyus of the personal and the political, from Celebrity Big
Brother to the frontline of Islamisma Cry bullies do end up isolated, as >their determination to be victim and victor eventually wears out the >patience of the most forbearing friend. But they can also be found
hanging around in gangs; then, cry bullies really come into their own
and are not just irritating but dangerous. Islamism is the ultimate cry >bully cause; on one hand stamping around murdering anyone who doesnAt
agree with you, on the other hand yelling aISLAMOPHOBIAA in lieu of
having a real adult debate about the merits of your caseaThe
British-born Islamist recently sentenced to 12 years had no problem
posing with severed heads (aHeads, kaffirs, disgustingA) and asking
friends back home to send him condoms which he planned to use raping
women captured as awar bootyA but then claimed to be having nightmares
and suffering from depression in order to escape jail."

But no, a decade on itAs become pretty much the default setting of our >times. This can lead to funny faux pas, such as doofuses like Owen Jones
u who was partly the inspiration for my savagely amusing creation u
using the phrase about other people, unaware that he who dealt it, smelt
it, to quote my unspeakably vulgar schoolmates on the subject of
flatulence. On the other hand, it can lead to very serious developments
such as aforementioned political Islamism seeking special protection via >making Islamophobia illegal, delicate little blushing violet that it
also somehow is.

In the wake of the Manchester synagogue attack, we might ask ourselves
why the Jews in particular have attracted the ire of Islamic extremists. >Pretending that itAs about Gaza is the easy way out; I think itAs far
more likely that the root of the trouble lies with the fact that Judaism
was the first monotheistic (Abrahamic, if you like, which I do, as it >further annoys Islamists) religion, around some 2,000 years before
Islam. We know theyAve got a bee in their bonnets about being first; see
the ridiculous idea that one does not aconvertA to Islam but rather >arevertsA to it, as weAre all born that way.

LetAs start with A for Archaeology. ThereAs always some humourless saddo
who thinks that theyAre pointing out for the first time that u ho ho ho
u there are stamps saying aPalestine: Land of the BibleA in the early
part of the century. But u ha ha ha u that was merely what the British >occupiers called Zion, when the fag-ends of the Ottoman Empire were
being tied up. If weAre talking about history, earlier this year a
silver coin dating from the 6th to 5th centuriesBC was found in what was >then the Kingdom of Judah; on the other hand, the aPalestinianA flag was >adopted by the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, becoming the >official flag of aPalestineA in 1988. That means that Polaroid cameras >(first one on sale in 1948) go back further than the official aState of >Palestine flagA. Some history!

Being well aware what cry bullies the Islamists on their doorstep are, >Israel has bent over backwards many times in order to prevent a boo-hoo
that could turn into a suicide bombing. You only have to think of the
Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews, originating in the first
century; on top of that, the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem built the
Dome of the Rock in the seventh century. A child could work out who
should have ownership. Yet neither Jews nor Christians are allowed to
pray in this place which is so precious to both of them.

YouAll often hear state-approved acomediansA mocking Christianity on
their tragic little panel shows, but the Koran is strictly off limits.
Quiz them on this and you might hear some bluster about apunching upA
not apunching downA. (In a similar vein, those who refused to back the >Charlie Hedbo journalists, like Laurie Penny, accused the magazine of >aracist trollingA.) But this focus on Christianity once again seems a
prime example of cry bullyism. Christianity is now the most persecuted >religion in the world; Islam is the fastest growing, and the richest.
Tell a migrant worker-slave in Qatar or a gay man in Dubai or a spirited >woman in Iran that Islam is powerless. How come none of the fearless
Radio 4 drolls dares to get a rise out of the bit in the Hadiths which
tell us that:

aThe last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the
Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide
themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say:
Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill >him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the JewsA

All those talking trees and flying horses; I suppose a Disney filmAs out
of the question?

Do Islamists hate Jews in particular because theyAre so clever? WeAre
always being told that the Arab world invented everything from algebra
to zebra crossings, but itAs odd then that Jews should have won 22 per
cent of Nobel prizes u despite comprising less than 0.2 per cent of the >worldAs population. In everyday life, Jew-hating adherents of Islam seem >remarkably thick; I donAt recall one Jewish medic or BBC reporter
boasting openly on social media about how much he hated Muslims, but the >reverse is woefully evident, the latest being the charming doctor father
of the Manchester murderer, who is reported to have praised the October
7th terrorists as aAllahAs men on earth.A

I canAt stress enough that itAs not just the 1948 rebooting of the
ancient land of Israel which makes Jew-haters of all stripes hate Jews. >ThatAs just a handy excuse. Amos Oz famously wrote that aWhen my father
was a young man in Vilnius, every wall in Europe said, oJews go home to >Palestine.o Fifty years later, when he went back to Europe on a visit,
the walls all screamed, oJews get out of Palestine.oA

Islamists generally see others than themselves as not quite human.
Slavery is still a thing which we talk about white people doing to
non-white people in the past; not only was Islamic slavery a huge thing, >itAs still going on, whether those slaves be sexual (remember Isis
behaviour towards the Yazidis) or otherwise. Contrast this with the >egalitarian nature of the Jews, who were particularly active in the >establishment of urban trades unions when they came here in large
numbers at the end of the 19th century onwards. The Jews have always
been grown-ups; they never expected to be babied u George Weidenfeld
arrived in London from Vienna as a young refugee in 1938 with limited >English and a postal order for 16 shillings and six pence. But the
babying of Islamism in this country is beyond belief. At least Angela
Rayner and her aIslamophobiaA law have been sent packing, with the new >Muslim Home Secretary indicating that she believes such a preferential
law might do more harm than good.

Why should we care, as Gentiles? Because weAre human. Because the Jews
have added so much to our country. And if altruism doesnAt appeal to
you, remember that aAfter Saturday comes SundayA u a phrase used by >fundamentalists to intimidate Christians in the Middle East. Already
across Africa the kidnappings, rapes and mass murders of Christians by >Islamist extremists are common.

In short, Islamism, you need to stop being the worldAs biggest cry bully.

Julie Burchill

Thanks Julie, you are gloriously articulate as always. And you are
right, islamists need to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the
21st century. Also some christians.

How many more palestinians need to be killed to make that happen?
Should all structures in gaza be reduced to dust so they can be blown
away in the next dust storm?
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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On Oct 7, 2025 at 10:59:50rC>AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 11:12:42 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

When I invented the term -acry bully-A in this very magazine ten years
ago, I had no idea how much bigger both theory and practice could get.
It already seemed to have reached such a tipping point that surely -aThe
Grown-ups in the Room-A of the time, or subsequently, would put a tin lid
on such flagrant stupidity. I wrote, in part:

"This is the age of the cry bully, a hideous hybrid of victim and
victor, weeper and walloper. They are everywhere, these duplicit
Pushmi-Pullyus of the personal and the political, from Celebrity Big
Brother to the frontline of Islamism

Cry bullies do end up isolated, as

their determination to be victim and victor eventually wears out the
patience of the most forbearing friend. But they can also be found
hanging around in gangs; then, cry bullies really come into their own
and are not just irritating but dangerous. Islamism is the ultimate cry
bully cause; on one hand stamping around murdering anyone who doesn-At
agree with you, on the other hand yelling -aISLAMOPHOBIA-A in lieu of
having a real adult debate about the merits of your case

The

British-born Islamist recently sentenced to 12 years had no problem
posing with severed heads (-aHeads, kaffirs, disgusting-A) and asking
friends back home to send him condoms which he planned to use raping
women captured as -awar booty-A but then claimed to be having nightmares
and suffering from depression in order to escape jail."

But no, a decade on it-As become pretty much the default setting of our
times. This can lead to funny faux pas, such as doofuses like Owen Jones
-u who was partly the inspiration for my savagely amusing creation -u
using the phrase about other people, unaware that he who dealt it, smelt
it, to quote my unspeakably vulgar schoolmates on the subject of
flatulence. On the other hand, it can lead to very serious developments
such as aforementioned political Islamism seeking special protection via
making Islamophobia illegal, delicate little blushing violet that it
also somehow is.

In the wake of the Manchester synagogue attack, we might ask ourselves
why the Jews in particular have attracted the ire of Islamic extremists.
Pretending that it-As about Gaza is the easy way out; I think it-As far
more likely that the root of the trouble lies with the fact that Judaism
was the first monotheistic (Abrahamic, if you like, which I do, as it
further annoys Islamists) religion, around some 2,000 years before
Islam. We know they-Ave got a bee in their bonnets about being first; see
the ridiculous idea that one does not -aconvert-A to Islam but rather
-areverts-A to it, as we-Are all born that way.

Let-As start with A for Archaeology. There-As always some humourless saddo >> who thinks that they-Are pointing out for the first time that -u ho ho ho
-u there are stamps saying -aPalestine: Land of the Bible-A in the early
part of the century. But -u ha ha ha -u that was merely what the British
occupiers called Zion, when the fag-ends of the Ottoman Empire were
being tied up. If we-Are talking about history, earlier this year a
silver coin dating from the 6th to 5th centuriesBC was found in what was
then the Kingdom of Judah; on the other hand, the -aPalestinian-A flag was >> adopted by the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, becoming the
official flag of -aPalestine-A in 1988. That means that Polaroid cameras
(first one on sale in 1948) go back further than the official -aState of
Palestine flag-A. Some history!

Being well aware what cry bullies the Islamists on their doorstep are,
Israel has bent over backwards many times in order to prevent a boo-hoo
that could turn into a suicide bombing. You only have to think of the
Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews, originating in the first
century; on top of that, the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem built the
Dome of the Rock in the seventh century. A child could work out who
should have ownership. Yet neither Jews nor Christians are allowed to
pray in this place which is so precious to both of them.

You-All often hear state-approved -acomedians-A mocking Christianity on
their tragic little panel shows, but the Koran is strictly off limits.
Quiz them on this and you might hear some bluster about -apunching up-A
not -apunching down-A. (In a similar vein, those who refused to back the
Charlie Hedbo journalists, like Laurie Penny, accused the magazine of
-aracist trolling-A.) But this focus on Christianity once again seems a
prime example of cry bullyism. Christianity is now the most persecuted
religion in the world; Islam is the fastest growing, and the richest.
Tell a migrant worker-slave in Qatar or a gay man in Dubai or a spirited
woman in Iran that Islam is powerless. How come none of the fearless
Radio 4 drolls dares to get a rise out of the bit in the Hadiths which
tell us that:

-aThe last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the
Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide
themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say:
Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill
him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews-A

All those talking trees and flying horses; I suppose a Disney film-As out
of the question?

Do Islamists hate Jews in particular because they-Are so clever? We-Are
always being told that the Arab world invented everything from algebra
to zebra crossings, but it-As odd then that Jews should have won 22 per
cent of Nobel prizes -u despite comprising less than 0.2 per cent of the
world-As population. In everyday life, Jew-hating adherents of Islam seem
remarkably thick; I don-At recall one Jewish medic or BBC reporter
boasting openly on social media about how much he hated Muslims, but the
reverse is woefully evident, the latest being the charming doctor father
of the Manchester murderer, who is reported to have praised the October
7th terrorists as -aAllah-As men on earth.-A

I can-At stress enough that it-As not just the 1948 rebooting of the
ancient land of Israel which makes Jew-haters of all stripes hate Jews.
That-As just a handy excuse. Amos Oz famously wrote that -aWhen my father
was a young man in Vilnius, every wall in Europe said, -oJews go home to
Palestine.-o Fifty years later, when he went back to Europe on a visit,
the walls all screamed, -oJews get out of Palestine.-o-A

Islamists generally see others than themselves as not quite human.
Slavery is still a thing which we talk about white people doing to
non-white people in the past; not only was Islamic slavery a huge thing,
it-As still going on, whether those slaves be sexual (remember Isis
behaviour towards the Yazidis) or otherwise. Contrast this with the
egalitarian nature of the Jews, who were particularly active in the
establishment of urban trades unions when they came here in large
numbers at the end of the 19th century onwards. The Jews have always
been grown-ups; they never expected to be babied -u George Weidenfeld
arrived in London from Vienna as a young refugee in 1938 with limited
English and a postal order for 16 shillings and six pence. But the
babying of Islamism in this country is beyond belief. At least Angela
Rayner and her -aIslamophobia-A law have been sent packing, with the new
Muslim Home Secretary indicating that she believes such a preferential
law might do more harm than good.

Why should we care, as Gentiles? Because we-Are human. Because the Jews
have added so much to our country. And if altruism doesn-At appeal to
you, remember that -aAfter Saturday comes Sunday-A -u a phrase used by
fundamentalists to intimidate Christians in the Middle East. Already
across Africa the kidnappings, rapes and mass murders of Christians by
Islamist extremists are common.

In short, Islamism, you need to stop being the world-As biggest cry bully. >>

Julie Burchill

Thanks Julie, you are gloriously articulate as always. And you are
right, islamists need to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the
21st century. Also some christians.

How many more palestinians need to be killed to make that happen?
Should all structures in gaza be reduced to dust so they can be blown
away in the next dust storm?

and your solution is......
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On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:

On Oct 7, 2025 at 10:59:50?AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 11:12:42 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

When I invented the term ?cry bully? in this very magazine ten years
ago, I had no idea how much bigger both theory and practice could get.
It already seemed to have reached such a tipping point that surely ?The
Grown-ups in the Room? of the time, or subsequently, would put a tin lid >>> on such flagrant stupidity. I wrote, in part:

"This is the age of the cry bully, a hideous hybrid of victim and
victor, weeper and walloper. They are everywhere, these duplicit
Pushmi-Pullyus of the personal and the political, from Celebrity Big
Brother to the frontline of Islamism

Cry bullies do end up isolated, as

their determination to be victim and victor eventually wears out the
patience of the most forbearing friend. But they can also be found
hanging around in gangs; then, cry bullies really come into their own
and are not just irritating but dangerous. Islamism is the ultimate cry
bully cause; on one hand stamping around murdering anyone who doesn?t
agree with you, on the other hand yelling ?ISLAMOPHOBIA? in lieu of
having a real adult debate about the merits of your case

The

British-born Islamist recently sentenced to 12 years had no problem
posing with severed heads (?Heads, kaffirs, disgusting?) and asking
friends back home to send him condoms which he planned to use raping
women captured as ?war booty? but then claimed to be having nightmares
and suffering from depression in order to escape jail."

But no, a decade on it?s become pretty much the default setting of our
times. This can lead to funny faux pas, such as doofuses like Owen Jones >>> ? who was partly the inspiration for my savagely amusing creation ?
using the phrase about other people, unaware that he who dealt it, smelt >>> it, to quote my unspeakably vulgar schoolmates on the subject of
flatulence. On the other hand, it can lead to very serious developments
such as aforementioned political Islamism seeking special protection via >>> making Islamophobia illegal, delicate little blushing violet that it
also somehow is.

In the wake of the Manchester synagogue attack, we might ask ourselves
why the Jews in particular have attracted the ire of Islamic extremists. >>> Pretending that it?s about Gaza is the easy way out; I think it?s far
more likely that the root of the trouble lies with the fact that Judaism >>> was the first monotheistic (Abrahamic, if you like, which I do, as it
further annoys Islamists) religion, around some 2,000 years before
Islam. We know they?ve got a bee in their bonnets about being first; see >>> the ridiculous idea that one does not ?convert? to Islam but rather
?reverts? to it, as we?re all born that way.

Let?s start with A for Archaeology. There?s always some humourless saddo >>> who thinks that they?re pointing out for the first time that ? ho ho ho
? there are stamps saying ?Palestine: Land of the Bible? in the early
part of the century. But ? ha ha ha ? that was merely what the British
occupiers called Zion, when the fag-ends of the Ottoman Empire were
being tied up. If we?re talking about history, earlier this year a
silver coin dating from the 6th to 5th centuriesBC was found in what was >>> then the Kingdom of Judah; on the other hand, the ?Palestinian? flag was >>> adopted by the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, becoming the
official flag of ?Palestine? in 1988. That means that Polaroid cameras
(first one on sale in 1948) go back further than the official ?State of
Palestine flag?. Some history!

Being well aware what cry bullies the Islamists on their doorstep are,
Israel has bent over backwards many times in order to prevent a boo-hoo
that could turn into a suicide bombing. You only have to think of the
Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews, originating in the first
century; on top of that, the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem built the
Dome of the Rock in the seventh century. A child could work out who
should have ownership. Yet neither Jews nor Christians are allowed to
pray in this place which is so precious to both of them.

You?ll often hear state-approved ?comedians? mocking Christianity on
their tragic little panel shows, but the Koran is strictly off limits.
Quiz them on this and you might hear some bluster about ?punching up?
not ?punching down?. (In a similar vein, those who refused to back the
Charlie Hedbo journalists, like Laurie Penny, accused the magazine of
?racist trolling?.) But this focus on Christianity once again seems a
prime example of cry bullyism. Christianity is now the most persecuted
religion in the world; Islam is the fastest growing, and the richest.
Tell a migrant worker-slave in Qatar or a gay man in Dubai or a spirited >>> woman in Iran that Islam is powerless. How come none of the fearless
Radio 4 drolls dares to get a rise out of the bit in the Hadiths which
tell us that:

?The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the
Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide
themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say:
Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill >>> him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews? >>>
All those talking trees and flying horses; I suppose a Disney film?s out >>> of the question?

Do Islamists hate Jews in particular because they?re so clever? We?re
always being told that the Arab world invented everything from algebra
to zebra crossings, but it?s odd then that Jews should have won 22 per
cent of Nobel prizes ? despite comprising less than 0.2 per cent of the
world?s population. In everyday life, Jew-hating adherents of Islam seem >>> remarkably thick; I don?t recall one Jewish medic or BBC reporter
boasting openly on social media about how much he hated Muslims, but the >>> reverse is woefully evident, the latest being the charming doctor father >>> of the Manchester murderer, who is reported to have praised the October
7th terrorists as ?Allah?s men on earth.?

I can?t stress enough that it?s not just the 1948 rebooting of the
ancient land of Israel which makes Jew-haters of all stripes hate Jews.
That?s just a handy excuse. Amos Oz famously wrote that ?When my father
was a young man in Vilnius, every wall in Europe said, ?Jews go home to
Palestine.? Fifty years later, when he went back to Europe on a visit,
the walls all screamed, ?Jews get out of Palestine.??

Islamists generally see others than themselves as not quite human.
Slavery is still a thing which we talk about white people doing to
non-white people in the past; not only was Islamic slavery a huge thing, >>> it?s still going on, whether those slaves be sexual (remember Isis
behaviour towards the Yazidis) or otherwise. Contrast this with the
egalitarian nature of the Jews, who were particularly active in the
establishment of urban trades unions when they came here in large
numbers at the end of the 19th century onwards. The Jews have always
been grown-ups; they never expected to be babied ? George Weidenfeld
arrived in London from Vienna as a young refugee in 1938 with limited
English and a postal order for 16 shillings and six pence. But the
babying of Islamism in this country is beyond belief. At least Angela
Rayner and her ?Islamophobia? law have been sent packing, with the new
Muslim Home Secretary indicating that she believes such a preferential
law might do more harm than good.

Why should we care, as Gentiles? Because we?re human. Because the Jews
have added so much to our country. And if altruism doesn?t appeal to
you, remember that ?After Saturday comes Sunday? ? a phrase used by
fundamentalists to intimidate Christians in the Middle East. Already
across Africa the kidnappings, rapes and mass murders of Christians by
Islamist extremists are common.

In short, Islamism, you need to stop being the world?s biggest cry bully. >>>

Julie Burchill

Thanks Julie, you are gloriously articulate as always. And you are
right, islamists need to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the
21st century. Also some christians.

How many more palestinians need to be killed to make that happen?
Should all structures in gaza be reduced to dust so they can be blown
away in the next dust storm?

and your solution is......

Make peace in gaza. Drag islam into the 21st century? The problem is
the fundamentalists isn't it?

For example, Indonesia:

"Islam is the largest religion in Indonesia, with 87.06% of the
Indonesian population identifying themselves as Muslims, based on
civil registry data in 2023.[1] In terms of denomination, the
overwhelming majority are Sunni and non-denominational Muslims;[3] the
Pew Research Center estimates them as comprising ~99% of the country's
Muslim population in 2011,[4] with the remaining 1% being Shia, who
are concentrated around Jakarta,[5] and about 400,000 Ahmadi as
well.[6]

In terms of schools of jurisprudence, based on demographic statistics,
99% of Indonesian Muslims mainly follow the Shafi'i school,[7][8]
although when asked, 56% do not adhere to any specific school.[9]
Trends of thought within Islam in Indonesia can be broadly categorized
into two orientations: "modernism", which closely adheres to orthodox
theology while embracing modern learning, and "traditionalism", which
tends to follow the interpretations of local religious leaders and
religious teachers at Islamic boarding schools (pesantren). There is
also a historically important presence of a syncretic form of Islam
known as kebatinan.

Islam in Indonesia is considered to have gradually spread through
merchant activities by Arab Muslim traders, adoption by local rulers,
and the influence of Sufism since the 13th century.[10][11][12] During
the late colonial era, it was adopted as a rallying banner against colonialism.[13] A 2023 Pew Research Center report gave 93% of the
adult Indonesian population identifying themselves as Muslim.[14]
Today, although Indonesia has an overwhelming Muslim majority, it is
not an Islamic state, but constitutionally a secular state whose
government officially recognizes six formal religions.[b]"

It is possible for islam to not be war like, aggressive towards other religions, etc.

It says sufism helps. Also the prophet rumi, I think. Kebatinan is
a hopeful development.

Regardless, I think the point is that us all in eu/na remain unaware
that islam itself is not to blame for the behavior of people who think
they believe in it, which is the case for all religions. There are
even peaceful unextreme, unpolitical christians who do not believe
himbo was sent by god, believe it or not.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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