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https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting
illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant
disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of
foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social
services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it
lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel,
and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption
from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their
own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned.

But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity
would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring
the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the
official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue
in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be
chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our
new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not
obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

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On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often
violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health >checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it
lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel,
and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption
from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of >1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their
own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned.

But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity
would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore >federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA >enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring
the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near >city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those >enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue
in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions, >harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our
new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often
violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal
officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting
illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health
checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant
disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of
foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social
services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it
lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel,
and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >> war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of >> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their
constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their
own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned.

But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity
would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore
federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO
enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal
government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring
the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those
enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the
official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue
in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually >> shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be
chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal
statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their
neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and
security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans. >>
In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our
new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now
autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not
obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

You can't make this stuff up!

A mob of white, privileged urban elite protesting an ICE Baby.
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On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often
violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal
officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting
illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health
checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant
disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of
foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social
services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it
lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel,
and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >> war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of >> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their
constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their
own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned.

But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity
would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore
federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO
enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal
government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring
the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those
enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the
official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue
in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually >> shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be
chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal
statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their
neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and
security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans. >>
In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our
new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now
autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not
obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting
to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often
violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal
officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting
illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health
checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant
disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of
foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social
services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it
lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel,
and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through >>> the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >>> war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of >>> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their
constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their
own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned.

But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity
would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore
federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA
enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal
government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring
the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>> will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those
enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the
official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue
in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be
chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal
statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their
neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and
security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans. >>>
In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our
new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now
autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not
obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >>> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What >happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless osanctuaryo
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting
to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to >liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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On 10/8/2025 9:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often >>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting
illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant
disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of
foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social
services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through >>>> the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >>>> war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of >>>> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their
constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>> own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned. >>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity >>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification >>>> of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore >>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO >>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal
government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>>> will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those >>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the
official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>> in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be
chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their
neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not
obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence >>>> and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic >>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >>>> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war
against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting
to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Except for 50%.

What is 'your side' going to do about that?

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:11:20 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/8/2025 9:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often >>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>> during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>>>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>>>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through >>>>> the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >>>>> war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of >>>>> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>> own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned. >>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>>>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>>>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification >>>>> of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore >>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>>>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA >>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>>>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>> statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>>>> will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those >>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>> in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually >>>>> shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>> chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>>>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>> restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence >>>>> and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic >>>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>>>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >>>>> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless osanctuaryo
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war
against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Except for 50%.

What is 'your side' going to do about that?

Well, lets see. We are not going to put the governor of mississippi
and mayor of biloxi in jail How about that?
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

On 10/9/2025 9:13 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:11:20 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/8/2025 9:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often >>>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>> during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>>>>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>>>>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>>> own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned. >>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>>>>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>>>>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore >>>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>>>>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO >>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>>>>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>> statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>>>>> will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those >>>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>>> in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>> chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders. >>>>>>
The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>>>>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>> restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>>>>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY >>>> states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Except for 50%.

What is 'your side' going to do about that?

Well, lets see. We are not going to put the governor of mississippi
and mayor of biloxi in jail How about that?

But 'your side' already tried to put the former president and leading candidate in jail, charged his *lawyers* for daring to represent him,
and actually jailed a bunch of his advisors.

Which is why he won the 2nd time. People didn't like that.

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 10:43:59 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/9/2025 9:13 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:11:20 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/8/2025 9:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often >>>>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>>> during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>>>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its >>>>>>> illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools. >>>>>>>
ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions. >>>>>>>
No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to >>>>>>> violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can >>>>>>> surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for >>>>>>> millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>>>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An >>>>>>> Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>>>> own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned. >>>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification >>>>>>> of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore >>>>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could >>>>>>> nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA >>>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>>> statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>>>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those >>>>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>>>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>>>> in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually >>>>>>> shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>>> chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>>>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions, >>>>>>> harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>>>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>>>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>>> restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence >>>>>>> and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic >>>>>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>>>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What >>>>> happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all >>>>> that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal >>>>> labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless osanctuaryo
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>>>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to >>>>> liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Except for 50%.

What is 'your side' going to do about that?

Well, lets see. We are not going to put the governor of mississippi
and mayor of biloxi in jail How about that?

But 'your side' already tried to put the former president and leading >candidate in jail, charged his *lawyers* for daring to represent him,
and actually jailed a bunch of his advisors.

All with due process. "Tried to put the former pres in jail". They
attempted to bring charges, which never actually happened. And if
convicted, you can bet the judge would not require jail time. As he
could have in the banking fraud case but did not.

Which is why he won the 2nd time. People didn't like that.

Your 50% didn't like that. I would say that prosecutors saw the
effect they were having on himbo's approval and simply let everything
slide.


Sending unasked for fed troops to a city and then arresting the gov
for not protecting them is a new twist, a new low for himbo. I say,
if he dares do that we can simply flush the us down the toilet. All
gone.

Now, if fed marshals in 2023 marched into himbo's mansion in florida
and dragged him off to jail, you would have a parallel. Sorry, you do
not. Rule of law. Due process. Don't simply arrest the gov of
illinois you assholes.

The first thing we need right now is a decision from the sc on whether
himbo can send fed troops into cities without being asked by local
authorities.
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Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
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does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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On 10/8/2025 6:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often >>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting
illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S.
during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant
disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the
legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of
foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social
services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal
aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and
those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when
they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through >>>> the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who
hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by
Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.

Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >>>> war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of >>>> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their
constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>> own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned. >>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity >>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification >>>> of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore >>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO >>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional
federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke
statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal
government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by
both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against
ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>>> will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those >>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the
official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>> in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be
chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live
near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their
neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not
obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to
restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence >>>> and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic >>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >>>> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war
against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting
to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Who is going to pick our food for us in the future? We could have open borders. Problem solved.

The problem is demographics - the US birthrate is going down. Reaching
an all-time low of 1.599 births per woman in 2024, according to the CDC.

The total fertility rate has been trending downward for years, with contributing factors including later marriages, financial concerns, a
lack of affordable childcare and parental leave, and general worries
about the future.

What happens when the kids have support the elders?
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:39:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/2025 6:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often >>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>> during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of
deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>>>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.

Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both
secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>>>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through >>>>> the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy >>>>> war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of >>>>> 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>> own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned. >>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street
armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and
court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>>>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>>>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification >>>>> of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore >>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>>>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA >>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>>>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>> statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media.
Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>>>> will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those >>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>> in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually >>>>> shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>> chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>>>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to
arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the
rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all
American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>> restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence >>>>> and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal
government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic >>>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>>>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to >>>>> injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless osanctuaryo
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war
against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Who is going to pick our food for us in the future? We could have open >borders. Problem solved.

True. Or at least don't throw them out once they arrive.

The problem is demographics - the US birthrate is going down. Reaching
an all-time low of 1.599 births per woman in 2024, according to the CDC.

The problem is that americans don't want to pick crops or make beds.
They want to pay somebody else to do that. As teeny tiny little as
possible.

The total fertility rate has been trending downward for years, with >contributing factors including later marriages, financial concerns, a
lack of affordable childcare and parental leave, and general worries
about the future.

What happens when the kids have support the elders?

Respect your father and your mother
why?
That all may be well with you in your old age.
That's why.

But you can put em in a retirement home, and then don't pay anybody to
take care of them.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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On 10/9/2025 8:06 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 10:43:59 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/9/2025 9:13 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:11:20 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/8/2025 9:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/ >>>>>>>>
In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often
violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>>>> during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health
checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its >>>>>>>> illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools. >>>>>>>>
ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions. >>>>>>>>
No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to >>>>>>>> violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can >>>>>>>> surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for >>>>>>>> millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become >>>>>>>> Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption
from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An >>>>>>>> Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>>>>> own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned. >>>>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore
federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could >>>>>>>> nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO >>>>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>>>> statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near >>>>>>>> city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those
enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>>>>> in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>>>> chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders. >>>>>>>>
The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to >>>>>>>> terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions, >>>>>>>> harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE >>>>>>>> facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and
security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>>>> restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents. >>>>>>>>
It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants. >>>>>>
"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What >>>>>> happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap >>>>>> slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all >>>>>> that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal >>>>>> labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY >>>>>> states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>>>>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to >>>>>> liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to >>>>>> deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your >>>>> 50%.

Except for 50%.

What is 'your side' going to do about that?

Well, lets see. We are not going to put the governor of mississippi
and mayor of biloxi in jail How about that?

But 'your side' already tried to put the former president and leading
candidate in jail, charged his *lawyers* for daring to represent him,
and actually jailed a bunch of his advisors.

All with due process. "Tried to put the former pres in jail". They attempted to bring charges, which never actually happened. And if
convicted, you can bet the judge would not require jail time. As he
could have in the banking fraud case but did not.

Which is why he won the 2nd time. People didn't like that.

Your 50% didn't like that.

Are the federal and state courts 50%?

Apparently, Jack Smith announced on November 25 that he was dropping
both his election subversion case and the classified documents case
against President-elect Donald Trump. While Smith is dropping his
prosecution of Trump.

I would say that prosecutors saw the
effect they were having on himbo's approval and simply let everything
slide.

Sending unasked for fed troops to a city and then arresting the gov
for not protecting them is a new twist, a new low for himbo. I say,
if he dares do that we can simply flush the us down the toilet. All
gone.

Now, if fed marshals in 2023 marched into himbo's mansion in florida
and dragged him off to jail, you would have a parallel. Sorry, you do
not. Rule of law. Due process. Don't simply arrest the gov of
illinois you assholes.

The first thing we need right now is a decision from the sc on whether
himbo can send fed troops into cities without being asked by local authorities.

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On 10/9/2025 10:00 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:39:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/2025 6:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often >>>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>> during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its
illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools.

ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders, >>>>>> somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions.

No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to
violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can
surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for
millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal >>>>>> law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An
Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>>> own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned. >>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement >>>>>> of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like >>>>>> Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore >>>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state >>>>>> jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could
nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO >>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate >>>>>> attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>> statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus >>>>>> will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those >>>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>>> in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>> chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders. >>>>>>
The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions,
harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have >>>>>> fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>> restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists >>>>>> are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What
happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all
that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal
labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY >>>> states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to
liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Who is going to pick our food for us in the future? We could have open
borders. Problem solved.

True. Or at least don't throw them out once they arrive.

The problem is demographics - the US birthrate is going down. Reaching
an all-time low of 1.599 births per woman in 2024, according to the CDC.

The problem is that americans don't want to pick crops or make beds.
They want to pay somebody else to do that. As teeny tiny little as
possible.

The total fertility rate has been trending downward for years, with
contributing factors including later marriages, financial concerns, a
lack of affordable childcare and parental leave, and general worries
about the future.

What happens when the kids have support the elders?

Respect your father and your mother
why?
That all may be well with you in your old age.
That's why.

But you can put em in a retirement home, and then don't pay anybody to
take care of them.

Why couldn't the undocumented migrants take care of all the old people.
The government could pay them slave labor wages and give the rest of the federal budget to the elders to pay their rent and food costs.

Everybody wins!
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From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 11:20:33 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/9/2025 10:00 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:39:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/2025 6:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/

In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often >>>>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>>> during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health >>>>>>> checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its >>>>>>> illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools. >>>>>>>
ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions. >>>>>>>
No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to >>>>>>> violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can >>>>>>> surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for >>>>>>> millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become
Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption >>>>>> >from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An >>>>>>> Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>>>> own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned. >>>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification >>>>>>> of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore >>>>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could >>>>>>> nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA >>>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>>> statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability >>>>>>> to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near
city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those >>>>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and >>>>>>> the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>>>> in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually >>>>>>> shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>>> chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders.

The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to
terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos >>>>>>> and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions, >>>>>>> harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE
facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and >>>>>>> security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles >>>>>>> Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>>> restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence >>>>>>> and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic >>>>>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents.

It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official >>>>>>> who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants.

"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What >>>>> happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap
slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all >>>>> that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal >>>>> labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless osanctuaryo
states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>>>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to >>>>> liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to
deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your
50%.

Who is going to pick our food for us in the future? We could have open
borders. Problem solved.

True. Or at least don't throw them out once they arrive.

The problem is demographics - the US birthrate is going down. Reaching
an all-time low of 1.599 births per woman in 2024, according to the CDC.

The problem is that americans don't want to pick crops or make beds.
They want to pay somebody else to do that. As teeny tiny little as
possible.

The total fertility rate has been trending downward for years, with
contributing factors including later marriages, financial concerns, a
lack of affordable childcare and parental leave, and general worries
about the future.

What happens when the kids have support the elders?

Respect your father and your mother
why?
That all may be well with you in your old age.
That's why.

But you can put em in a retirement home, and then don't pay anybody to
take care of them.

Why couldn't the undocumented migrants take care of all the old people.

Because guys like you want to send them to el salvador and columbia
and a tiny south african nation nobody ever heard of.

The government could pay them slave labor wages and give the rest of the

Slaves don't get any wages.

federal budget to the elders to pay their rent and food costs.

Give money to elders. As if, as if, as if, you guys want to give
money to anybody except corps.

Everybody wins!

--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

On 10/9/2025 2:23 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 11:20:33 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/9/2025 10:00 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:39:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/2025 6:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/ >>>>>>>>
In blue cities across America rCo Portland, Oregon, especially rCo often
violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal >>>>>>>> officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>>>> during the Biden years rCo illegally and thus without criminal or health
checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its >>>>>>>> illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools. >>>>>>>>
ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions. >>>>>>>>
No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to >>>>>>>> violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it >>>>>>>> lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can >>>>>>>> surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then
deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for >>>>>>>> millions who entered the U.S. illegally rCo and will soon become >>>>>>>> Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, >>>>>>>> and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption
from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An >>>>>>>> Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandrCOs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts rCo in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their >>>>>>>> own city and state to do as they please rCo and federal law be damned. >>>>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history.

America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonrCOs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinarCOs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesrCO efforts to ignore
federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could >>>>>>>> nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsrCO >>>>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama rCo until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>>>> statesrCO and citiesrCO rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring >>>>>>>> the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near >>>>>>>> city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayrCoand supposedly blame those
enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue >>>>>>>> in a rCLsafe spacerCY for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>>>> chalked up to TrumprCOs federal government rCLbaitingrCY Portlanders. >>>>>>>>
The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to >>>>>>>> terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal >>>>>>>> statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions, >>>>>>>> harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night?

In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE >>>>>>>> facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and
security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our >>>>>>>> new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now >>>>>>>> autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>>>> restore her cityrCOs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout rCLinsurrection,rCY it is ironic
that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents. >>>>>>>>
It is hard to know which is worse rCo the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants. >>>>>>
"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What >>>>>> happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap >>>>>> slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all >>>>>> that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal >>>>>> labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless rCLsanctuaryrCY >>>>>> states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting >>>>>> to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens.

In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to >>>>>> liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to >>>>>> deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your >>>>> 50%.

Who is going to pick our food for us in the future? We could have open >>>> borders. Problem solved.

True. Or at least don't throw them out once they arrive.

The problem is demographics - the US birthrate is going down. Reaching >>>> an all-time low of 1.599 births per woman in 2024, according to the CDC. >>>

The problem is that americans don't want to pick crops or make beds.
They want to pay somebody else to do that. As teeny tiny little as
possible.

The total fertility rate has been trending downward for years, with
contributing factors including later marriages, financial concerns, a
lack of affordable childcare and parental leave, and general worries
about the future.

What happens when the kids have support the elders?

Respect your father and your mother
why?
That all may be well with you in your old age.
That's why.

But you can put em in a retirement home, and then don't pay anybody to
take care of them.

Why couldn't the undocumented migrants take care of all the old people.

Because guys like you want to send them to el salvador and columbia
and a tiny south african nation nobody ever heard of.

The government could pay them slave labor wages and give the rest of the

Slaves don't get any wages.

federal budget to the elders to pay their rent and food costs.

Give money to elders. As if, as if, as if, you guys want to give
money to anybody except corps.

Because we have an endless pot of money. Everyone knows Washington DC
can give all the money to all the people. Why not? Reparations!
Corporate welfare! $50 per hour minimum wage! Keeping everyone fat and
happy! Nothing bad will ever happen!

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 10:04:54 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/9/2025 2:23 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 11:20:33 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/9/2025 10:00 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:39:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/2025 6:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:09:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>

On 10/6/2025 1:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 16:14:47 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:

https://victorhanson.com/reactionary-neo-confederate-portland/ >>>>>>>>>
In blue cities across America u Portland, Oregon, especially u often >>>>>>>>> violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal
officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting >>>>>>>>> illegal aliens.

Some 10 million or more illegal aliens were allowed to enter the U.S. >>>>>>>>> during the Biden years u illegally and thus without criminal or health
checks.

Neither Antifa nor liberal urban America objected to such a flagrant >>>>>>>>> disregard for the law. But both are now as intent on obstructing the >>>>>>>>> legal enforcement of the law as they were earlier in favor of its >>>>>>>>> illegal non-enforcement.

Much less did they care about the consequences of sending millions of >>>>>>>>> foreign nationals into cities and counties where they swamped social >>>>>>>>> services, spiked crime, and flooded emergency rooms and schools. >>>>>>>>>
ICE has repeatedly presented data that show in its first rounds of >>>>>>>>> deportations, it is concentrating on removing either criminal illegal >>>>>>>>> aliens or those who have already been processed with deportation orders,
somewhere between 70 and 90 percent of all current apprehensions. >>>>>>>>>
No matter.

Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to >>>>>>>>> violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and >>>>>>>>> those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally. >>>>>>>>>
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both >>>>>>>>> secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it
lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.

But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can >>>>>>>>> surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then >>>>>>>>> deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for >>>>>>>>> millions who entered the U.S. illegally u and will soon become >>>>>>>>> Democratic constituents.

As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal
law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when >>>>>>>>> they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel,
and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.

The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption
from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through
the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who >>>>>>>>> hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An >>>>>>>>> Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by >>>>>>>>> Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police. >>>>>>>>>
Summed up: the city of PortlandAs armed officers are in a de facto proxy
war with their federal counterparts u in our version of something out of
1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek feel their >>>>>>>>> constituents want open borders and thus should have the right in their
own city and state to do as they please u and federal law be damned. >>>>>>>>>
But by doing so, both the Democrat Party officialdom and the street >>>>>>>>> armies of Antifa are on the proverbial wrong side of history. >>>>>>>>>
America for almost 200 years has already decided, in formal law and >>>>>>>>> court rulings, that no local or state entity can disrupt the enforcement
of federal laws or usurp WashingtonAs powers. To do so with impunity >>>>>>>>> would unravel the American nation in short order.

We know that from our own violent history. Andrew Jackson, in 1832, like
Trump, threatened to send troops to stop South CarolinaAs nullification
of federal tariff laws.

America fought a Civil War over Confederate statesA efforts to ignore >>>>>>>>> federal law and confiscate or occupy federal property within their state
jurisdictions.

As late as 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace thought he could >>>>>>>>> nullify federal law by using his state guard to deny black studentsA >>>>>>>>> enrollment in the University of Alabama u until the Kennedy
administration federalized all state troopers and sent in additional >>>>>>>>> federal troops.

So what we are witnessing in Portland and elsewhere is a neo-Confederate
attempt to supersede federal law and, in reactionary fashion, invoke >>>>>>>>> statesA and citiesA rights.

Oregon and Portland believe that they are more moral than the federal >>>>>>>>> government and thus have a natural right to side with street mobs by >>>>>>>>> both not enforcing their own laws against Antifa violence and ignoring
the innate civil rights of ICE personnel.

The latter are denied freedom of movement, association, and the ability
to fulfill their job duties by what has turned out to be a near >>>>>>>>> city-sanctioned siege of their facilities.

The Democrats are fine with all this. They think the violence against >>>>>>>>> ICE will be portrayed daily as general chaos by their allied media. >>>>>>>>> Thus, the proverbial people who keep clear of the siege and its detritus
will simply want all the bother to go awayuand supposedly blame those >>>>>>>>> enforcing, not breaking, the law. In sum, the Democratic Party is the >>>>>>>>> official face of the left. Antifa provides the street shock troops, and
the media serves as its propaganda arm.

So, the left-wing logic is to allow the violence and siege to continue
in a osafe spaceo for Antifa. A strapped ICE will supposedly eventually
shut down operations and move on. And any violence that occurs can be >>>>>>>>> chalked up to TrumpAs federal government obaitingo Portlanders. >>>>>>>>>
The reigning moralistic assumption is that ceding territory to >>>>>>>>> terrorists, not enforcing local and state laws, and nullifying federal
statutes are all small prices to pay for the larger projection of chaos
and violence that can be blamed on Trump.

Such thinking entails utter indifference to any Portlanders who live >>>>>>>>> near the siege and are nightly subjected to constant disruptions, >>>>>>>>> harassment, and occasional violence. Do these law-abiding residents have
fewer civil rights than the lawbreaking armies of the night? >>>>>>>>>
In contrast, the use of federal troops to stop the siege of ICE >>>>>>>>> facilities will remind the violent protesters of the left that their >>>>>>>>> neo-Confederate tactics will not work, but instead subject them to >>>>>>>>> arrest and federal indictments.

Bringing in federal forces to uphold the law will also protect the >>>>>>>>> rights of ICE personnel and neighborhood residents to live in peace and
security and have their constitutional protections secured. Not all >>>>>>>>> American citizens are Portlanders, but all Portland citizens are Americans.

In other words, both Antifa and the appeasing Oregon officials are our
new neo-Confederate secessionists. They feel that their states are now
autonomous entities that are still entitled to federal money but not >>>>>>>>> obligated to follow federal laws.

Portland also reminds us of the recent utter incoherence of Los Angeles
Mayor Karen Bass. On the one hand, she pleads for federal dollars to >>>>>>>>> restore her cityAs burned-out neighborhoods due to her own incompetence
and neglect, while on the other hand actively obstructs the federal >>>>>>>>> government from enforcing immigration laws in her own city.

For a party that has been quick to shout oinsurrection,o it is ironic >>>>>>>>> that Democrats and their useful, though violent, Antifa insurrectionists
are in rebellion against the federal government and its agents. >>>>>>>>>
It is hard to know which is worse u the Antifa thug who nightly tries to
injure a federal officer, or the sanctimonious neo-Confederate official
who empowers him to keep trying?

- Victor Davis Hanson

I knew it was out there somewhere. The justification.

There's no justification for slave labor of undocumented migrants. >>>>>>>
"And this is nothing more or less than history repeating itself. What >>>>>>> happened in 1860?

Confederate Democrats in the South wanted to hold on to their cheap >>>>>>> slave labor, and as soon as they believed Republicans might take all >>>>>>> that cheap slave labor away, they launched the Civil War.

And so it is the same today. In order to hold on their cheap illegal >>>>>>> labor, Democrats have created a confederacy of lawless osanctuaryo >>>>>>> states and cities.

And now, just like in 1860, these same Democrats are waging literal war >>>>>>> against a federal government that is guilty of nothing more than wanting
to enforce the federal law by lawfully deporting illegal aliens. >>>>>>>
In 1860, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans wanted to >>>>>>> liberate their slaves.

In 2025, Democrats started a Civil War because Republicans want to >>>>>>> deport their illegal labor." - Breitbart

https://tinyurl.com/54cs6h7z

You continue to imagine that anybody believes your crap. Except your >>>>>> 50%.

Who is going to pick our food for us in the future? We could have open >>>>> borders. Problem solved.

True. Or at least don't throw them out once they arrive.

The problem is demographics - the US birthrate is going down. Reaching >>>>> an all-time low of 1.599 births per woman in 2024, according to the CDC. >>>>

The problem is that americans don't want to pick crops or make beds.
They want to pay somebody else to do that. As teeny tiny little as
possible.

The total fertility rate has been trending downward for years, with
contributing factors including later marriages, financial concerns, a >>>>> lack of affordable childcare and parental leave, and general worries >>>>> about the future.

What happens when the kids have support the elders?

Respect your father and your mother
why?
That all may be well with you in your old age.
That's why.

But you can put em in a retirement home, and then don't pay anybody to >>>> take care of them.

Why couldn't the undocumented migrants take care of all the old people.

Because guys like you want to send them to el salvador and columbia
and a tiny south african nation nobody ever heard of.

The government could pay them slave labor wages and give the rest of the

Slaves don't get any wages.

federal budget to the elders to pay their rent and food costs.

Give money to elders. As if, as if, as if, you guys want to give
money to anybody except corps.

Because we have an endless pot of money. Everyone knows Washington DC
can give all the money to all the people. Why not? Reparations!
Corporate welfare! $50 per hour minimum wage! Keeping everyone fat and >happy! Nothing bad will ever happen!

False dichotomy. There are more than two options. Who knows, there
might even be 5 or 6 if somebody were interested in thinking about it.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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