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On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45rC>AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZrCOs women rCo and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericarCOs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his liferCOs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkrCOs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women rCo or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for rCLsuccessrCY in life rCo and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and rCLpersonal fulfillmentrCY far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the rCLmoralrCY guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial
counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother rCo and now sherCOs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandrCOs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient rCo and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlierCOs rCLgreatest causerCY in life rCLwas
trying to
revive the American family.rCY His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsrCO
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers rCo but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnrCOt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late rCo and what some never learned at all rCo is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
rCLCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,rCY Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointrCOs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. rCLErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.rCY. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlierCOs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericarCOs young women have been sold a lie rCo and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlierCOs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be rCLbe a leader worth following,rCY so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they rCLcan
serve.rCY
rCLI have a challenge for you too,rCY she told women: rCLBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.rCY
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLOur strength is found in GodrCOs design for our role,rCY she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
rCLWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.rCY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnrCOt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for
fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canrCOt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.-a-a (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or
both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.-a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.-a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>> it.
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IrCOm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenrCOt
fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within
that 40%,
60% say rCLyesrCY when asked whether they think of themselves as a
rCLborn- again
or evangelical Christian.rCY This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And
believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in
Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3%
of the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group
that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the
population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from
mine. And
will explain why the rCLKirk peoplerCY (donrCOt mean to offend), and their
ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:-a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyrCOre only doing what theyrCOre taught to do- spread the word and bring >>> others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become
one) and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm
immune to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion
to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone
is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for uncooperative unsustainability.
On 10/5/2025 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45rC>AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZrCOs women rCo and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericarCOs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his liferCOs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkrCOs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women rCo or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for rCLsuccessrCY in life rCo and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and rCLpersonal fulfillmentrCY far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the rCLmoralrCY guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother rCo and now sherCOs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandrCOs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient rCo and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlierCOs rCLgreatest causerCY in life rCLwas
trying to
revive the American family.rCY His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsrCO
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers rCo but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnrCOt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late rCo and what some never learned at all rCo is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
rCLCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,rCY Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointrCOs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. rCLErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.rCY. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlierCOs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericarCOs young women have been sold a lie rCo and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlierCOs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be rCLbe a leader worth following,rCY so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they rCLcan
serve.rCY
rCLI have a challenge for you too,rCY she told women: rCLBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.rCY
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLOur strength is found in GodrCOs design for our role,rCY she
said.
rCLWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.rCY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnrCOt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canrCOt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.-a-a (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.-a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.-a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>>> it.
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IrCOm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenrCOt >>>>>> fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within
that 40%,
60% say rCLyesrCY when asked whether they think of themselves as a
rCLborn- again
or evangelical Christian.rCY This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And
believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in >>>>> Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3%
of the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group >>>>> that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the
population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from
mine. And
will explain why the rCLKirk peoplerCY (donrCOt mean to offend), and their
ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:-a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyrCOre only doing what theyrCOre taught to do- spread the word and bring
others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become
one) and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm
immune to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion
to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone
is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for
uncooperative unsustainability.
Yes it is. And I have no idea how to fix that.
On 10/5/2025 1:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:-a-a-a >
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZrCOs women rCo and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericarCOs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his liferCOs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkrCOs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women rCo or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for rCLsuccessrCY in life rCo and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and rCLpersonal fulfillmentrCY far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the rCLmoralrCY guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial
counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother rCo and now sherCOs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandrCOs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient rCo and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlierCOs rCLgreatest causerCY in life rCLwas
trying to
revive the American family.rCY His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsrCO
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers rCo but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnrCOt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late rCo and what some never learned at all rCo is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
rCLCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,rCY Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointrCOs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. rCLErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.rCY. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlierCOs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericarCOs young women have been sold a lie rCo and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlierCOs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be rCLbe a leader worth following,rCY so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they rCLcan
serve.rCY
rCLI have a challenge for you too,rCY she told women: rCLBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.rCY
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLOur strength is found in GodrCOs design for our role,rCY she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
rCLWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.rCY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnrCOt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for
fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canrCOt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.-a-a (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or
both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.-a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.-a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>> it.
It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate".-a Do you think that
invites
acceptance?-a It sounds like you think the only alternative to
traditional is hate.-a That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view.-a Nobody, >>>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate
finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children.-a How traditional, and again >>>>>>> resisted by you guys.-a But again, it seems the tide has turned so >>>>>>> kids
can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time.-a But I think >>>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable.-a But, oh boy, >>>>>>> is it
ok to be traditional.-a Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply >>>>>> that
she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should >>>>>> give
the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman
wants a
career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be
seen as
okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and
raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever."
The issue was not career or not career, was it?-a If you read Tara's >>>>>> reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a
woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another
woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction.-a So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live
their
lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posted-a is a case of "we heard you the first time." We >>>> can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea
of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays.-a And by the time people get into their 20's, it is >>>> clear to them what works for them and what does not.-a If they felt
they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a
society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle
because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day.
They don't need to.-a Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied
legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview
has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH
it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
What we think, I would suggest, is that we don't think it is necessary
to pound on any drum one way or the other.-a We have not posted
anything praising gayness.-a We are not gay.-a But if you find it
necessary to say:
"An alternative to hate"
I say, traditional ideas are no such thing.-a There being no hate over
here.-a You are beating a drum that could simply have remained quiet.
That you can't even see the hate that comes from the progressives is somewhat surprising.
On 10/5/2025 1:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:It's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting to the group
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away from an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be done for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age bracket ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those institutions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a mother >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and 30s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was centered on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about was our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning PointAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young American >>>>>>>>>>>>>> women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika Kirk is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that they ocan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe virtuous.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is steadfast, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What if (oh >>>>>>>>>>>>> shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - whether >>>>>>>>>>>>> her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or both...or any >>>>>>>>>>>>> others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about that, >>>>>>>>>> including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging it. >>>>>>>>> >
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate". Do you think that invites >>>>>>> acceptance? It sounds like you think the only alternative to
traditional is hate. That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view. Nobody, >>>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate
finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children. How traditional, and again >>>>>>> resisted by you guys. But again, it seems the tide has turned so kids >>>>>>> can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time. But I think >>>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable. But, oh boy, is it >>>>>>> ok to be traditional. Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply that >>>>>> she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should give >>>>>> the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman wants a >>>>>> career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be seen as >>>>>> okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and
raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever."
The issue was not career or not career, was it? If you read Tara's >>>>>> reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a
woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another
woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction. So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live their >>>>> lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posted is a case of "we heard you the first time." We >>>> can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea
of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays. And by the time people get into their 20's, it is
clear to them what works for them and what does not. If they felt
they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a
society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle
because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day.
They don't need to. Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied
legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview
has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH
it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
What we think, I would suggest, is that we don't think it is necessary
to pound on any drum one way or the other. We have not posted
anything praising gayness. We are not gay. But if you find it
necessary to say:
"An alternative to hate"
I say, traditional ideas are no such thing. There being no hate over
here. You are beating a drum that could simply have remained quiet.
That you can't even see the hate that comes from the progressives is >somewhat surprising.
On 10/5/2025 2:29 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 1:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:aaa >
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointAs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they ocan
serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>>> it.
It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate".a Do you think that >>>>>>>> invites
acceptance?a It sounds like you think the only alternative to
traditional is hate.a That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view.a Nobody, >>>>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate >>>>>>>> finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children.a How traditional, and again >>>>>>>> resisted by you guys.a But again, it seems the tide has turned so >>>>>>>> kids
can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time.a But I think >>>>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable.a But, oh boy, >>>>>>>> is it
ok to be traditional.a Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply >>>>>>> that
she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should >>>>>>> give
the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman
wants a
career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be
seen as
okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and >>>>>>> raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever." >>>>>>>
The issue was not career or not career, was it?a If you read Tara's >>>>>>> reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a >>>>>>> woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another >>>>>>> woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction.a So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live >>>>>> their
lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posteda is a case of "we heard you the first time." We >>>>> can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea >>>>> of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays.a And by the time people get into their 20's, it is >>>>> clear to them what works for them and what does not.a If they felt
they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a >>>>> society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle >>>> because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day.
They don't need to.a Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied
legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview >>>> has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH >>>> it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
What we think, I would suggest, is that we don't think it is necessary
to pound on any drum one way or the other.a We have not posted
anything praising gayness.a We are not gay.a But if you find it
necessary to say:
"An alternative to hate"
I say, traditional ideas are no such thing.a There being no hate over
here.a You are beating a drum that could simply have remained quiet.
That you can't even see the hate that comes from the progressives is
somewhat surprising.
I suppose if you ignore the Kirk assassination, uncountable death
threats, calling people nazis after saying for years you should punch a >nazi, a current candidate for Virginia AG saying he wanted to put two >bullets in a political opponent ... Yeah, there's no hate!
On 10/5/25 10:59 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 10:43:42 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45?AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age bracket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and 30s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointAs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika Kirk is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocan
serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is steadfast, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or both...or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IAm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenAt
fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within
that 40%,
60% say oyeso when asked whether they think of themselves as a oborn- >>>>>> again
or evangelical Christian.o This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And
believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in >>>>>> Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3% of >>>>>> the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group >>>>>> that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the
population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from
mine. And
will explain why the oKirk peopleo (donAt mean to offend), and their >>>>>> ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>>>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyAre only doing what theyAre taught to do- spread the word and bring >>>>> others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become one) >>>> and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm immune >>>> to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion
to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone
is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for
uncooperative unsustainability.
Sure looks that way.
u have no idea u fucking geezer.
science is barely figuring out just how outrageously we've fucked
ourselves, and *none* of that fledgling inkling has made it to your >awareness
On 10/5/2025 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45?AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointAs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they ocan
serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>>> it.
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IAm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenAt
fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within
that 40%,
60% say oyeso when asked whether they think of themselves as a
oborn- again
or evangelical Christian.o This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And
believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in >>>>> Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3%
of the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group >>>>> that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the
population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from
mine. And
will explain why the oKirk peopleo (donAt mean to offend), and their >>>>> ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyAre only doing what theyAre taught to do- spread the word and bring >>>> others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become
one) and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm
immune to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion
to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone
is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for
uncooperative unsustainability.
Yes it is. And I have no idea how to fix that.
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far left, and >>>>>>> it's bankrupt.
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:It's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting to the group
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen Z-As women -u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>> America-As divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his life-As work to turn the hearts of young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking that >>>>>>>>>>>>> mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie Kirk-As influence helped pull many young men away from an >>>>>>>>>>>>> empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be done for young
women -u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men age 18 to >>>>>>>>>>>>> 29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for -osuccess-o in life -u and women in that age bracket ranked
money, career and -opersonal fulfillment-o far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the -omoral-o guidance of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial counterparts have >>>>>>>>>>>>> learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those institutions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother -u and now she-As the CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>> husband-As
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is another >>>>>>>>>>>>> path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a mother >>>>>>>>>>>>> to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must serve each
other, neither is subservient -u and in the words of the Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that Charlie-As -ogreatest cause-o in life -owas >>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.-o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and 30s >>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and their >>>>>>>>>>>>> parents-A
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was centered on >>>>>>>>>>>>> heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have strong and
vibrant careers -u but what we most wanted to talk about was our >>>>>>>>>>>>> children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didn-At learn until it was
almost
too late -u and what some never learned at all -u is that motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and career >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts us up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
-oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,-o Turning Point-As
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. -oErika Kirk is coming to convert the young
women.-o. But her message may be a harder pill for young American >>>>>>>>>>>>> women
to swallow than Charlie-As was for young men seeking structure and
meaning.
America-As young women have been sold a lie -u and Erika Kirk is >>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
them the truth. In her speech at Charlie-As memorial, she encouraged
young men to be -obe a leader worth following,-o so that they -ocan
serve.-o
-oI have a challenge for you too,-o she told women: -oBe virtuous.-o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
-oOur strength is found in God-As design for our role,-o she said.
-oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
-oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.-o >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasn-At worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is steadfast, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is nothing the two
can-At do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they should >>>>>>>>>>>> BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What if (oh >>>>>>>>>>>> shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to partner with >>>>>>>>>>>> a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids. (I'm straight and have kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - whether >>>>>>>>>>>> her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or both...or any >>>>>>>>>>>> others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or. Either my way or >>>>>>>>>>> hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free speech.
You get to say what you like. I get to say what I think about that, >>>>>>>>> including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you claim what >>>>>>>>> you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging it. >>>>>>>>>
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate". Do you think that invites >>>>>> acceptance? It sounds like you think the only alternative to
traditional is hate. That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view. Nobody, >>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate
finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children. How traditional, and again >>>>>> resisted by you guys. But again, it seems the tide has turned so kids >>>>>> can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time. But I think >>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable. But, oh boy, is it >>>>>> ok to be traditional. Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply that >>>>> she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should give >>>>> the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman wants a >>>>> career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be seen as >>>>> okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and
raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever."
The issue was not career or not career, was it? If you read Tara's
reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a
woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another
woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction. So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live their >>>> lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posted is a case of "we heard you the first time." We
can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea
of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays. And by the time people get into their 20's, it is
clear to them what works for them and what does not. If they felt
they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a
society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle
because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day.
They don't need to. Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview
has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH
it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
What we think, I would suggest, is that we don't think it is necessary
to pound on any drum one way or the other. We have not posted
anything praising gayness. We are not gay. But if you find it
necessary to say:
"An alternative to hate"
I say, traditional ideas are no such thing. There being no hate over
here. You are beating a drum that could simply have remained quiet.
On Oct 5, 2025 at 1:57:22rC>PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:It's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting to the group
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen Z-As women -u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> America-As divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his life-As work to turn the hearts of young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie Kirk-As influence helped pull many young men away from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be done for young
women -u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for -osuccess-o in life -u and women in that age bracket ranked
money, career and -opersonal fulfillment-o far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the -omoral-o guidance of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those institutions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother -u and now she-As the CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>> husband-As
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a mother >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must serve each
other, neither is subservient -u and in the words of the Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that Charlie-As -ogreatest cause-o in life -owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.-o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and 30s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parents-A
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was centered on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have strong and
vibrant careers -u but what we most wanted to talk about was our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didn-At learn until it was
almost
too late -u and what some never learned at all -u is that motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts us up.
-oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,-o Turning Point-As
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. -oErika Kirk is coming to convert the young
women.-o. But her message may be a harder pill for young American
women
to swallow than Charlie-As was for young men seeking structure and
meaning.
America-As young women have been sold a lie -u and Erika Kirk is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
them the truth. In her speech at Charlie-As memorial, she encouraged
young men to be -obe a leader worth following,-o so that they -ocan
serve.-o
-oI have a challenge for you too,-o she told women: -oBe virtuous.-o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-oOur strength is found in God-As design for our role,-o she said.
-oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.-o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasn-At worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is steadfast, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is nothing the two
can-At do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What if (oh >>>>>>>>>>>>> shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids. (I'm straight and have kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - whether >>>>>>>>>>>>> her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or both...or any >>>>>>>>>>>>> others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or. Either my way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free speech.
You get to say what you like. I get to say what I think about that, >>>>>>>>>> including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging it. >>>>>>>>>>
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate". Do you think that invites >>>>>>> acceptance? It sounds like you think the only alternative to
traditional is hate. That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view. Nobody, >>>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate
finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children. How traditional, and again >>>>>>> resisted by you guys. But again, it seems the tide has turned so kids >>>>>>> can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time. But I think >>>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable. But, oh boy, is it >>>>>>> ok to be traditional. Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply that >>>>>> she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should give >>>>>> the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman wants a >>>>>> career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be seen as >>>>>> okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and
raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever."
The issue was not career or not career, was it? If you read Tara's >>>>>> reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a
woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another
woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction. So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live their >>>>> lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posted is a case of "we heard you the first time." We >>>> can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea
of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays. And by the time people get into their 20's, it is
clear to them what works for them and what does not. If they felt
they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a
society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle
because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day.
They don't need to. Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied
legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview
has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH
it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
First: I'm not part of a "you and Tara" or a 'We'. Secondly, I don't know what
you mean by 'prog. Worldview' or how you figure that I should dumped into it.
Maybe just one example of how I think would help...On Immigration: I think that a country who allows more than a limited and manageable number of people in - people who don't share the same values as the receiving county, should face the inevitable reality - that there will be trouble.
Is that an example of 'prog. Worldview"?
I have lots more 'view's' that fail to fit in with my other world views. Dont worry, I've always had this problem. I just don't seem to fit in anywhere, boo
hoo. But people..........(it pisses me off that AI can sum it up better than I can so here it is) :
"People pigeonhole or label others for psychological and social reasons, including the brain's need for cognitive shortcuts to process information quickly, a desire for security and comfort, the learned nature of stereotypes,
and an unconscious survival instinct to categorize and understand the unknown by placing it into existing mental frameworks. While labeling can provide a sense of order and belonging, it is often a simplification that can lead to close-mindedness, a reluctance to engage with new ideas or people, and inaccurate judgments about individuals."
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 14:32:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45?AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZrCOs women rCo and heal
AmericarCOs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his liferCOs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkrCOs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women rCo or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for rCLsuccessrCY in life rCo and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and rCLpersonal fulfillmentrCY far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the rCLmoralrCY guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother rCo and now sherCOs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandrCOs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient rCo and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlierCOs rCLgreatest causerCY in life rCLwas
trying to
revive the American family.rCY His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsrCO
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers rCo but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnrCOt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late rCo and what some never learned at all rCo is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
rCLCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,rCY Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointrCOs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. rCLErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.rCY. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlierCOs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericarCOs young women have been sold a lie rCo and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlierCOs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be rCLbe a leader worth following,rCY so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they rCLcan
serve.rCY
rCLI have a challenge for you too,rCY she told women: rCLBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.rCY
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLOur strength is found in GodrCOs design for our role,rCY she
said.
rCLWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.rCY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnrCOt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canrCOt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.-a-a (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.-a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.-a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>>>> it.
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IrCOm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenrCOt >>>>>>> fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within
that 40%,
60% say rCLyesrCY when asked whether they think of themselves as a >>>>>> rCLborn- again
or evangelical Christian.rCY This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And
believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in >>>>>> Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3% >>>>>> of the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group >>>>>> that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the
population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from
mine. And
will explain why the rCLKirk peoplerCY (donrCOt mean to offend), and their
ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:-a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>>>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyrCOre only doing what theyrCOre taught to do- spread the word and bring
others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become
one) and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm
immune to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion
to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone
is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for
uncooperative unsustainability.
Yes it is. And I have no idea how to fix that.
Start by throwing your partisanship into the nearest dumpster.
On 10/5/2025 3:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 14:32:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45?AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointAs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they ocan
serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IAm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenAt >>>>>>>> fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within >>>>>>> that 40%,
60% say oyeso when asked whether they think of themselves as a
oborn- again
or evangelical Christian.o This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>>>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And >>>>>>> believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in >>>>>>> Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3% >>>>>>> of the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group >>>>>>> that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the >>>>>>> population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>>>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from >>>>>>> mine. And
will explain why the oKirk peopleo (donAt mean to offend), and their >>>>>>> ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>>>>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyAre only doing what theyAre taught to do- spread the word and bring >>>>>> others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become
one) and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm >>>>> immune to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion >>>> to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone >>>> is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for >>>> uncooperative unsustainability.
Yes it is. And I have no idea how to fix that.
Start by throwing your partisanship into the nearest dumpster.
Yes it's true. You have absolutely zero self-awareness.
On 10/5/2025 3:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 14:32:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 10/5/25 10:07 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2025 12:29 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:58 AM, Tara wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 9:35:45?AM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far >>>>>>>>>>> left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), TaraIt's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the group
<tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson"
<Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bracket ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30s
chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PointAs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they ocan
serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtuous.o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfast,
when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about >>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Interesting that the push by the Kirk type people to bring women >>>>>>>>>> into the
'tradition values" lifestyle is.... Only In America.
"Kirk type people".
You mean Christian?
No. IAm sure that there are lots of Christian people who arenAt >>>>>>>> fundamentalists.
Some stats:
Per a 2021 Pew study, 40% of Americans are Protestant, and within >>>>>>> that 40%,
60% say oyeso when asked whether they think of themselves as a
oborn- again
or evangelical Christian.o This means that roughly 24% of U.S. adults >>>>>>> describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants And >>>>>>> believe in
the literal interpretation of the bible.
And in Canada.
AI-
There isn't a precise percentage for "Christian fundamentalists" in >>>>>>> Canada,
but recent census data from Stats Canada shows that in 2021, 53.3% >>>>>>> of the
population identified as Christian. Evangelical Protestants, a group >>>>>>> that
often includes fundamentalist believers, made up about 7% of the >>>>>>> population, a figure that has remained relatively stable, according to >>>>>>> Statistique Canada and Wikipedia.
So, you can see that your Christian world is very different from >>>>>>> mine. And
will explain why the oKirk peopleo (donAt mean to offend), and their >>>>>>> ideas
are so popular in the US of A.
Moreover,
Evangelical:a An understanding that the gospel must be expressed through >>>>>> actions, including the task of proclaiming it to others.
TheyAre only doing what theyAre taught to do- spread the word and bring >>>>>> others to the faith. And in this case, biblical Christian values.
That's all interesting. I was raised anabaptist (but didn't become
one) and they're the most fundamentalist fundies around. So maybe I'm >>>>> immune to some of that stuff and just don't see it.
But I am absolutely a libertarian when it comes to religion or lack
thereof. It's no one else's business.
i know ur a bunch of geezers, and i'm *not* suggesting we use coercion >>>> to address it... but like trying to operate civilization when everyone >>>> is coming from fundamentally incompatible perspectives is a recipe for >>>> uncooperative unsustainability.
Yes it is. And I have no idea how to fix that.
Start by throwing your partisanship into the nearest dumpster.
Yes it's true. You have absolutely zero self-awareness.
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 14:29:36 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 1:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:It's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting to the group
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZrCOs women rCo and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericarCOs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his liferCOs work to turn the hearts of young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkrCOs influence helped pull many young men away from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be done for young
women rCo or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for rCLsuccessrCY in life rCo and women in that age bracket ranked
money, career and rCLpersonal fulfillmentrCY far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the rCLmoralrCY guidance of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those institutions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother rCo and now sherCOs the CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandrCOs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must serve each
other, neither is subservient rCo and in the words of the Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlierCOs rCLgreatest causerCY in life rCLwas
trying to
revive the American family.rCY His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and 30s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentsrCO
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have strong and
vibrant careers rCo but what we most wanted to talk about was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnrCOt learn until it was
almost
too late rCo and what some never learned at all rCo is that motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts us up.
rCLCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,rCY Turning PointrCOs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. rCLErika Kirk is coming to convert the young
women.rCY. But her message may be a harder pill for young American
women
to swallow than CharlierCOs was for young men seeking structure and
meaning.
AmericarCOs young women have been sold a lie rCo and Erika Kirk is
telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlierCOs memorial, she encouraged
young men to be rCLbe a leader worth following,rCY so that they rCLcan
serve.rCY
rCLI have a challenge for you too,rCY she told women: rCLBe virtuous.rCY
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLOur strength is found in GodrCOs design for our role,rCY she said.
rCLWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
rCLGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.rCY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnrCOt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is steadfast, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is nothing the two
canrCOt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.-a-a (I'm straight and have kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or both...or any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.-a Either my way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free speech.
You get to say what you like.-a I get to say what I think about that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging it. >>>>>>>>>> >
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate". Do you think that invites >>>>>>>> acceptance? It sounds like you think the only alternative to
traditional is hate. That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view. Nobody, >>>>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate >>>>>>>> finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children. How traditional, and again >>>>>>>> resisted by you guys. But again, it seems the tide has turned so kids >>>>>>>> can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time. But I think >>>>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable. But, oh boy, is it >>>>>>>> ok to be traditional. Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply that >>>>>>> she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should give >>>>>>> the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman wants a >>>>>>> career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be seen as >>>>>>> okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and >>>>>>> raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever." >>>>>>>
The issue was not career or not career, was it? If you read Tara's >>>>>>> reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a >>>>>>> woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another >>>>>>> woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction. So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live their >>>>>> lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posted is a case of "we heard you the first time." We >>>>> can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea >>>>> of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays. And by the time people get into their 20's, it is >>>>> clear to them what works for them and what does not. If they felt
they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a >>>>> society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle >>>> because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day.
They don't need to. Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied
legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview >>>> has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH >>>> it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
What we think, I would suggest, is that we don't think it is necessary
to pound on any drum one way or the other. We have not posted
anything praising gayness. We are not gay. But if you find it
necessary to say:
"An alternative to hate"
I say, traditional ideas are no such thing. There being no hate over
here. You are beating a drum that could simply have remained quiet.
That you can't even see the hate that comes from the progressives is
somewhat surprising.
No, I am overwhelmed by the hate that comes from conservatives.
On 10/5/2025 12:54 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 14:29:36 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 1:57 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 13:29:23 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 11:46:29 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 10:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 10:17:48 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 09:35:45 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 7:32 PM, Dude wrote:
On 10/4/2025 2:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:The idea that a woman speaking about choosing traditional values is >>>>>>>>>> "divisive" is the problem. It is a widespread idea on the far left, and
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 14:09:48 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:It's an an alternative to hating fundamentalist Christian values. >>>>>>>>>>
On 10/4/2025 12:50 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 18:46:55 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:It's starting to look like there's not only a troll posting to the group
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:20:58?PM EDT, "Wilson" <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
Wow. This really is propaganda.
Erika Kirk is on a mission: Rescue Gen ZAs women u and heal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AmericaAs divide
By Libby Emmons
Charlie Kirk made it his lifeAs work to turn the hearts of young men
toward family, faith and nation. Now Erika Kirk is taking that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission
to young women.
Gen Z men skew far more conservative than previous generations. Gen Z
women lean substantially left.
Charlie KirkAs influence helped pull many young men away from an
empty
existence of endless video games, late-night drinking sessions and
strings of meaningless situationships. Can the same be done for young
women u or are they too steeped in the girl-boss vibes on which they
were raised?
This month an NBC News poll found that Trump-voting men age 18 to
29 put
marriage and children near the top of the list when asked to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose what
makes for osuccesso in life u and women in that age bracket ranked
money, career and opersonal fulfillmento far ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But if Gen Z women continue following the omoralo guidance of the
left,
they will find what so many of their Millennial counterparts have
learned: A career is not enough to fulfill the yearnings of the
heart.
Young American women have been taught to seek liberation from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> femininity, motherhood and partnership. Erika Kirk is here to show
them
that there is liberation to be found within those institutions.
Erika Kirk was a wife and is a mother u and now sheAs the CEO of a
massive enterprise that has only grown in the weeks since her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husbandAs
murder. As a living witness to young women that there is another
path,
one centered on love, virtue and meaning, she will tell them that her
greatest achievement was being a partner to Charlie and a mother
to her
growing children.
In a healthy marriage, she explains, men and women must serve each
other, neither is subservient u and in the words of the Kirks, the
way
to achieve this is for both to serve a higher purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Erika Kirk said that CharlieAs ogreatest causeo in life owas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to
revive the American family.o His memorial last week, which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended,
was full of young families, moms and dads in their 20s and 30s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing
after toddlers in their Sunday best. Those children, and their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentsA
evident love, brought joy and life to a day that was centered on
heartbreak and death.
At State Farm Stadium, I spoke to several women who have strong and
vibrant careers u but what we most wanted to talk about was our
children. It was in sharing their milestones reached, their hopes,
their
laughs and loves, that our smiles returned.
What so many Millennial and Gen X women didnAt learn until it was
almost
too late u and what some never learned at all u is that motherhood is
not the life-ending scourge we had been taught it was, and career
is not
the greatest love of all. There is immense strength in being a mother
and wife, and it does not demean women to say so; it lifts us up.
oCharlie Kirk came and converted the young men,o Turning PointAs
Tyler
Bowyer posted last week. oErika Kirk is coming to convert the young
women.o. But her message may be a harder pill for young American
women
to swallow than CharlieAs was for young men seeking structure and
meaning.
AmericaAs young women have been sold a lie u and Erika Kirk is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
them the truth. In her speech at CharlieAs memorial, she encouraged
young men to be obe a leader worth following,o so that they ocan
serve.o
oI have a challenge for you too,o she told women: oBe virtuous.o
This is not something young women are used to hearing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oOur strength is found in GodAs design for our role,o she said.
oWe are
the guardians. We are the encouragers. We are the preservers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
oGuard your heart. Everything you do flows from it.o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It hasnAt worked.
Maybe American women are ready for a new message, one of hope, one
that
asks them to look beyond their own impulses for fulfillment. One that
brings men and women back together. When a woman is steadfast, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she
partners with a man who is worth following, there is nothing the two
canAt do.
Libby Emmons is the editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Women have finally risen above being told what and how they should
BE. And now
Erika is telling them, again, (according to Fundamentalist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Values,
that is), what they should do and how they should be. What if (oh
shudder),
she doesn't want to partner with a man and prefers to partner with
a woman and
to (more shudder) not have kids.aa (I'm straight and have kids btw).
Whatever a woman decides to do or how she wants to live - whether
her focus is
on career or staying at home raising a family - or both...or any
others - All
choices should be equally valued!
Note that wilson presents his views as either/or.a Either my way or
hatred.
Which, of course, as you are demonstrating Tara, actually is extremely
divisive.
but also a few would-be dictators, apparently opposed to free speech.
You get to say what you like.a I get to say what I think about that,
including whether it is divisive or not, especially if you claim what
you say is an alternative to hatred while actually encouraging it. >>>>>>>>>>> >
it's bankrupt.
It's okay to be traditional.
Then why name it "an alternative to hate". Do you think that invites >>>>>>>>> acceptance? It sounds like you think the only alternative to >>>>>>>>> traditional is hate. That is what is divisive here.
What I see is a big nasty headline and then when questioned you slip >>>>>>>>> back to trying to have it be about acceptance of your view. Nobody, >>>>>>>>> as far as I know, thinks there is something wrong with traditional. >>>>>>>>> The battle has always been about acceptance of other ways of being. >>>>>>>>> You have turned the real issue on its head, and made it seem you are >>>>>>>>> the victim.
That is why lgbtq+ thinks they need to have a parade, celebrate >>>>>>>>> finally being able to get married, have the tax benefits of marriage >>>>>>>>> for their union, etc.
Some gays even want to adopt children. How traditional, and again >>>>>>>>> resisted by you guys. But again, it seems the tide has turned so kids
can have two mommies or two daddies.
And here you come prancing in here acting like the battle has been >>>>>>>>> about hate for traditional families.
I'm a straight guy who had two kids once upon a time. But I think >>>>>>>>> your trying to shift the perception is despicable. But, oh boy, is it
ok to be traditional. Like me.
And here is your final smoke screen:
"And for what it's worth, nowhere in that article did Libby imply that >>>>>>>> she thought they should do anything. Rather she said women should give >>>>>>>> the ideas a chance.
Also for what it's worth I agree with you 100% that if a woman wants a >>>>>>>> career and puts that ahead of children that is and ought to be seen as >>>>>>>> okay. Just like it's perfectly okay if they want to stay home and >>>>>>>> raise a family, be traditional, and believe in god or whatever." >>>>>>>>
The issue was not career or not career, was it? If you read Tara's >>>>>>>> reply to you again, you might notice that she was talking about a >>>>>>>> woman not wanting to marry some guy, but much preferring another >>>>>>>> woman, wasn't it?
But you completely buried that and took the conversation in a
different direction. So slick you are.
I don't care what lesbians do at all. They should be able to live their >>>>>>> lives with whoever they want, just like you and me.
The article you posted is a case of "we heard you the first time." We >>>>>> can't unread that.
And "just give it a try."
The thing many people don't understand is that exactly like the idea >>>>>> of gay sex is repulsive to straights, the idea of straight sex is
repulsive to gays. And by the time people get into their 20's, it is >>>>>> clear to them what works for them and what does not. If they felt >>>>>> they should at least give it a try, they have already done that in a >>>>>> society where such experimenting is permitted.
So what. If someone is upset that someone else is promoting a lifestyle >>>>> because they love it, what difference does it make?
The difference comes when it is a politicized diatribe.
Besides, I don't see anyone marching in the street for Trad Pride Day. >>>>They don't need to. Never were they oppressed, persecuted and denied
legitimacy.
Although maybe they should, just for balance.
I think you and Tara don't see just how pervasive your prog. worldview >>>>> has become. It's almost illegal to promote anything counter to it. TBH >>>>> it might be actually illegal right now in the UK.
What we think, I would suggest, is that we don't think it is necessary >>>> to pound on any drum one way or the other. We have not posted
anything praising gayness. We are not gay. But if you find it
necessary to say:
"An alternative to hate"
I say, traditional ideas are no such thing. There being no hate over
here. You are beating a drum that could simply have remained quiet.
That you can't even see the hate that comes from the progressives is
somewhat surprising.
No, I am overwhelmed by the hate that comes from conservatives.
Maybe you're projecting. I thought all liberals hate Trump. Who wouldn't >hate a dictator?