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It has failed to recognise its weakness
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas
Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last >month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture
device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their
own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich
Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US.
When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump
sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs
before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European
minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians
look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to >write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian
prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher >squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no >former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to >their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont. >https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If yourCOve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas
Adams, yourCOll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture
device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are
annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their
own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary.
Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich
Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US.
When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump
sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs
before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European
minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians
look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian
prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important rCo
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
rCLEuroperCOs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.rCY
I cannot imagine Fran|oois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentrCOs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/ >>
diatribe.
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas
Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture
device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are
annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their
own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary.
Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich
Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US.
When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump
sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs
before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European
minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians
look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to >>> write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian
prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to >>> their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/ >>>
diatribe.
The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire
between Ukraine and Russia?
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides
that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If
they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and
set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We
will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point.
If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then
we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along
the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance.
They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire
wrote:
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If yourCOve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas
Adams, yourCOll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last >>>> month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture
device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >>>> comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are
annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >>>> Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their
own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich
Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US.
When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >>>> statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump
sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs
before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European
minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians
look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to >>>> write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important rCo >>>> like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
rCLEuroperCOs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced >>>> upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.rCY
I cannot imagine Fran|oois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher >>>> squirming on their seats before the US presidentrCOs desk. But, then, no >>>> former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to >>>> their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
between Ukraine and Russia?
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides
that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the
current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If
they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and
set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We
will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point.
If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then
we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along
the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance.
They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in
power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would
be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to
win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire
wrote:
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas
Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last >>>>> month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >>>>> comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are
annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >>>>> Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >>>>> statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump
sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs
before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European
minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to >>>>> write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u >>>>> like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced >>>>> upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher >>>>> squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no >>>>> former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to >>>>> their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
between Ukraine and Russia?
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides
that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the
current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If
they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and
set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We
will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point.
If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance.
They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in
power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would
be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to
win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and
public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out
of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
What is needed to force Russia to retreat from Ukraine and Crimea is to--
gain control of airspace over Russia and then use shock and awe to cut
off all power and communications.
Then, send in the Marines Special forces in the dead of night to secure
the Kremlin in Moscow.
The Israelis took out Jordon, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Jordon in
seven days. Then, they took out Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen.
Then, the only question is what to do about China and North Korea?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire
wrote:
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>> Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last >>>>>> month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >>>>>> comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >>>>>> Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >>>>>> statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to >>>>>> write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u >>>>>> like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced >>>>>> upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher >>>>>> squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no >>>>>> former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to >>>>>> their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
between Ukraine and Russia?
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides
that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and
set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We
will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would
be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to
win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and >>public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not
mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like
with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
--What is needed to force Russia to retreat from Ukraine and Crimea is to >>gain control of airspace over Russia and then use shock and awe to cut
off all power and communications.
Then, send in the Marines Special forces in the dead of night to secure >>the Kremlin in Moscow.
The Israelis took out Jordon, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Jordon in >>seven days. Then, they took out Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen.
Then, the only question is what to do about China and North Korea?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:11:36 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If yourCOve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>>> Adams, yourCOll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >>>>>>> comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >>>>>>> Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >>>>>>> statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important rCo
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
rCLEuroperCOs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.rCY
I cannot imagine Fran|oois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentrCOs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>>>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>>>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to
win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and
public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>> of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not
mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like
with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
The current situation in syria is probably the best that could be
hoped for after assad. There is no way in the universe that us
had/has/ever will have the wisdom to choose as well. Better to let
them work it out.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire
wrote:
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If yourCOve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>> Adams, yourCOll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >>>>>> comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive.
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >>>>>> Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >>>>>> statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to >>>>>> write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important rCo
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
rCLEuroperCOs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.rCY
I cannot imagine Fran|oois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher >>>>>> squirming on their seats before the US presidentrCOs desk. But, then, no >>>>>> former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to >>>>>> their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
between Ukraine and Russia?
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides
that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and
set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We
will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would
be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to
win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and
public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out
of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not
mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like
with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
On 8/26/2025 7:21 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:11:36 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>The wild card is North Korea. According to my sources on Telegram, Kim
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>>>> Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down. >>>>>>>> Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a >>>>>>>> detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced >>>>>>>> upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no >>>>>>>> former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant >>>>>> military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>>>>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>>>>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an >>>>>> option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to >>>>> win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and
public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>>> of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not
mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like
with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
The current situation in syria is probably the best that could be
hoped for after assad. There is no way in the universe that us
had/has/ever will have the wisdom to choose as well. Better to let
them work it out.
is preparing to send 100,00 troops to fight in Ukraine for Russian
control of Ukraine. Trump told Xi he wants to meet with Kim.
Apparently, Zelenskyy is talking about retaking Crimea. President Putin >warned him yesterday that if he attempts to do so, the Russian
Federation will nuke Ukraine.
The question is: Will Zelenskyy attempt to test the President's resolve?
On 8/26/2025 7:11 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:"Russia should be very concerned with Ukraine's domestically produced
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>>> Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last >>>>>>> month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in >>>>>>> comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight >>>>>>> Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his >>>>>>> statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down.
Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a
detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u >>>>>>> like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced >>>>>>> upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher >>>>>>> squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no >>>>>>> former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant
military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>>>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>>>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an
option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to
win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and
public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>> of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not
mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like
with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
Long Neptune cruise missile. With a range of 1,000km (600miles), it can
hit Moscow and lots of places beyond and in between. And the Americans
canAt block the Ukrainians from hitting Russia (as they apparently did
with the U.S.-supplied ATACMS).
It was the Long Neptune that successfully hit the Tuapse oil refinery in >Russia in March 2025.
What is certainly weeks away is a massive missile attack against Russia
that will shutter the Russians to the core.
They still can avoid it. If their leader gets real." - Elena Gold, Quora
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:23:23 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 7:11 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:"Russia should be very concerned with Ukraine's domestically produced
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie
If yourCOve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>>>> Adams, yourCOll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary. >>>>>>>> Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down. >>>>>>>> Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian >>>>>>>> prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a >>>>>>>> detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important rCo
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
rCLEuroperCOs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.rCY
I cannot imagine Fran|oois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentrCOs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
diatribe.
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant >>>>>> military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then >>>>>> we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its
military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along >>>>>> the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an >>>>>> option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under
neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to >>>>> win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the
most likely consequence.
get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and
public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>>> of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not
mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like
with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
Long Neptune cruise missile. With a range of 1,000km (600miles), it can
hit Moscow and lots of places beyond and in between. And the Americans
canrCOt block the Ukrainians from hitting Russia (as they apparently did
with the U.S.-supplied ATACMS).
It was the Long Neptune that successfully hit the Tuapse oil refinery in
Russia in March 2025.
What is certainly weeks away is a massive missile attack against Russia
that will shutter the Russians to the core.
They still can avoid it. If their leader gets real." - Elena Gold, Quora
Too bad these guys have no idea what they are talking about.
On 8/26/2025 8:28 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:23:23 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 7:11 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>"Russia should be very concerned with Ukraine's domestically produced
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public >>>>> get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and >>>>> public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie >>>>>>>> diatribe.
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>>>>> Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture >>>>>>>>> device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their >>>>>>>>> own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary.
Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US. >>>>>>>>> When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians >>>>>>>>> look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down. >>>>>>>>> Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian
prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a >>>>>>>>> detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced >>>>>>>>> upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>>>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant >>>>>>> military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>>>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The
Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point. >>>>>>> If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then
we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its >>>>>>> military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along
the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance. >>>>>>> They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>>>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an >>>>>>> option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under >>>>>> neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to >>>>>> win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the >>>>>> most likely consequence.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>>>> of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not >>>> mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like >>>> with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres
said well darn, guess that didn't work.
Long Neptune cruise missile. With a range of 1,000km (600miles), it can
hit Moscow and lots of places beyond and in between. And the Americans
canAt block the Ukrainians from hitting Russia (as they apparently did
with the U.S.-supplied ATACMS).
It was the Long Neptune that successfully hit the Tuapse oil refinery in >>> Russia in March 2025.
What is certainly weeks away is a massive missile attack against Russia
that will shutter the Russians to the core.
They still can avoid it. If their leader gets real." - Elena Gold, Quora
Too bad these guys have no idea what they are talking about.
Apparently, some of the respondents on Telegram fighting in Ukraine may
know more about the war than you or I do. That being said, it goes
without saying, that nobody can compare to the war informants on absfg!
It looks like the media analyst, Elena Gold, was born in the USSR, so
she might know a thing or two - she's writing a book about the war.
Too bad you have no idea what they are talking about.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:13:40 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 8:28 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:23:23 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently, some of the respondents on Telegram fighting in Ukraine may
On 8/26/2025 7:11 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Too bad these guys have no idea what they are talking about.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>"Russia should be very concerned with Ukraine's domestically produced
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public >>>>>> get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and >>>>>> public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie >>>>>>>>> diatribe.
If yourCOve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas
Adams, yourCOll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture
device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their
own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary.
Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich >>>>>>>>>> Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US.
When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians
look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down. >>>>>>>>>> Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian
prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a >>>>>>>>>> detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important rCo
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist.
rCLEuroperCOs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.rCY
I cannot imagine Fran|oois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentrCOs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the >>>>>>>> current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant >>>>>>>> military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If >>>>>>>> they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The >>>>>>>> Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point.
If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then
we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its >>>>>>>> military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along
the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance.
They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in >>>>>>>> power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an >>>>>>>> option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under >>>>>>> neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>>>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to >>>>>>> win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the >>>>>>> most likely consequence.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out >>>>>> of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi
Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not >>>>> mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like >>>>> with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres >>>>> said well darn, guess that didn't work.
Long Neptune cruise missile. With a range of 1,000km (600miles), it can >>>> hit Moscow and lots of places beyond and in between. And the Americans >>>> canrCOt block the Ukrainians from hitting Russia (as they apparently did >>>> with the U.S.-supplied ATACMS).
It was the Long Neptune that successfully hit the Tuapse oil refinery in >>>> Russia in March 2025.
What is certainly weeks away is a massive missile attack against Russia >>>> that will shutter the Russians to the core.
They still can avoid it. If their leader gets real." - Elena Gold, Quora >>>
know more about the war than you or I do. That being said, it goes
without saying, that nobody can compare to the war informants on absfg!
It looks like the media analyst, Elena Gold, was born in the USSR, so
she might know a thing or two - she's writing a book about the war.
Too bad you have no idea what they are talking about.
And for all you know, you could be talking to a 13 yo weenie in
argentina.
On 8/27/2025 10:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 10:13:40 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/2025 8:28 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:23:23 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>Apparently, some of the respondents on Telegram fighting in Ukraine may
On 8/26/2025 7:11 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Too bad these guys have no idea what they are talking about.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:30:50 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>"Russia should be very concerned with Ukraine's domestically produced >>>>> Long Neptune cruise missile. With a range of 1,000km (600miles), it can >>>>> hit Moscow and lots of places beyond and in between. And the Americans >>>>> canAt block the Ukrainians from hitting Russia (as they apparently did >>>>> with the U.S.-supplied ATACMS).
On 8/26/2025 4:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>One problem is called war fatigue, where combat forces and the public >>>>>>> get worn out by a long drawn out war, like the Vietnam civil war, and >>>>>>> public opposition grows. So, after a decade, the US pulled out.
On 8/26/2025 5:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:The question is, what can Trump do to push both sides to a ceasefire >>>>>>>>> between Ukraine and Russia?
It has failed to recognise its weaknessSomething about this suggests to me that it is another rightie >>>>>>>>>> diatribe.
If youAve read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas >>>>>>>>>>> Adams, youAll immediately recognise what happened to the Europeans last
month. They went into the Total Perspective Vortex. This is a torture
device designed by a mad scientist which reveals your insignificance in
comparison with the rest of the universe. Almost all who enter are >>>>>>>>>>> annihilated. That understanding is just too terrible to survive. >>>>>>>>>>>
Before the Europeans endured the Vortex, they believed they could fight
Donald Trump over his tariffs. They thought they could organise their
own defence to fight against Russia should that ever become necessary.
Immediately after he won the German elections in February, Friedrich
Merz declared that Europe would have to become independent of the US.
When he became chancellor, he swiftly realised the impossibility of his
statement.
The photo released by the White House last week, with Donald Trump >>>>>>>>>>> sitting behind his desk and the European leaders arrayed on chairs >>>>>>>>>>> before him, tells us how the attempted insurrection of the European >>>>>>>>>>> minions ended. Perched uncomfortably on their chairs, the politicians
look like unruly school children called in for a dressing down. >>>>>>>>>>> Alexander Stubb, the Finnish president, took notes like a pupil eager to
write down what the headmaster was saying. Giorgia Meloni, the Italian
prime minister, arms crossed, looked like she had been given a >>>>>>>>>>> detention. Friedrich Merz and Emmanuel Macron tried to look important u
like the head boys. All you can see of Trump is his fist. >>>>>>>>>>>
oEuropeAs collective weakness has been a choice, not something forced
upon us by adverse circumstances, or foreign powers.o
I cannot imagine Frantois Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, or Margaret Thatcher
squirming on their seats before the US presidentAs desk. But, then, no
former president would have dared do to them what Trump has just done to
their successors.
Things were to only get worse for the Europeans...
cont.
https://unherd.com/2025/08/europe-is-stuck-in-the-total-perspective-vortex/
"The only way to end the war is to get in and end it. Tell both sides >>>>>>>>> that they have 60 days to stop fighting and withdraw soldiers from the
current combat zones. After 2 weeks, we will bring in a significant >>>>>>>>> military presence from the USA.
Tanks and other heavy equipment will take a month to get to Poland. If
they do not stop fighting by the end of two months, we will go in and >>>>>>>>> set up a no-fly zone, destroying launch sites from any violators. We >>>>>>>>> will send in boots on the ground and eliminate all threats. The >>>>>>>>> Ukrainians and Russians should move back their positions at this point.
If not, then we will eliminate those threats as well.
The goal is to set up a buffer zone that neither side will violate. Then
we will stay as needed. The land will remain Ukraine without its >>>>>>>>> military. A DMZ will be set up between the Russians and Ukrainians along
the original borders. Small American forces shall remain for insurance.
They will stay and fight if invaded.
This is most likely the only way to have peace while Putin is still in
power. It's clear that he will never stop until he is faced with an >>>>>>>>> option that he can never defeat." - Mike Chang, Quora
You might be right, but we are not going to find out. The us under >>>>>>>> neither himbo nor any other president would do that.
Because putin might fight back. Then how stupid do we look? It would >>>>>>>> be vn all over again. The us simply will not do whatever it takes to >>>>>>>> win, especially if putin refuses to be pushed around. Which is the >>>>>>>> most likely consequence.
There has been a lot of improvement since then. The US kicked Saddam out
of Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm followed by Operation Iraqi >>>>>>> Freedom to unseat him. Mission accomplished!
That's the other thing. Simply because you get rid of saddam does not >>>>>> mean that what he is replaced with will be an improvement. Which
would certainly be the case with russia.
The consensus lately seems to be that it is better to not meddle, like >>>>>> with al asaad in syria. The us drew a line, assad crossed. Us pres >>>>>> said well darn, guess that didn't work.
It was the Long Neptune that successfully hit the Tuapse oil refinery in >>>>> Russia in March 2025.
What is certainly weeks away is a massive missile attack against Russia >>>>> that will shutter the Russians to the core.
They still can avoid it. If their leader gets real." - Elena Gold, Quora >>>>
know more about the war than you or I do. That being said, it goes
without saying, that nobody can compare to the war informants on absfg!
It looks like the media analyst, Elena Gold, was born in the USSR, so
she might know a thing or two - she's writing a book about the war.
Too bad you have no idea what they are talking about.
And for all you know, you could be talking to a 13 yo weenie in
argentina.
Wait! You said you were in Canada - what news would you know about
living up there, regardless of your age?
"Both Russia and NATO have nuclear weapons u a lot of them u and highly >effective weapons delivery systems. There is no way anybody can owino a >nuclear war. Putin knows this, but heAs counting on the West to be >weak-willed cowards and back down from supporting Ukraine." - L. Muskat, >Quora