• Befuddling optimism

    From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Aug 20 20:13:12 2025
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    An amendment that can help save our democracy

    By David French

    On Nov. 8, 1787, a pamphleteer who wrote under the pseudonym Cato
    published one of the most prescient warnings in American history.

    Cato looked at the proposed Constitution and declared that it might
    well turn into a vehicle for tyranny.

    He didnAt see a Constitution of enumerated rights that sharply limited
    the power of the president. Instead, he saw a Constitution that
    granted the president such sweeping authority othat if the president
    is possessed of ambition, he has power and time sufficient to ruin his country.o

    In other words, Cato could see a man like Donald Trump coming, and he
    knew the Constitution could not prevent his rise.

    WeAre not sure who Cato was u some historians believe he was George
    Clinton, then the governor of New York. But we know he was an
    antifederalist, and the antifederalists are remembered as the losers
    of one of the most important arguments of the American founding, the
    argument over the ratification of the Constitution.

    In some respects, however, the antifederalists were right, and itAs
    important that we remember their words and heed their warnings.

    Like many Americans, I find myself in the curious position of both
    revering the Constitution as a world-historical document that advanced
    liberty and justice and also recognizing that it contains a number of
    flaws. Many of the ConstitutionAs flaws remain hidden when America is
    governed by decent men, but that become obvious and dangerous when it
    is not. Poor character creates a constitutional stress test, and it
    can reveal fatal defects in much the same way that a physical stress
    test can expose flaws in your heart.

    And nowhere are those flaws more apparent than in Article II, the
    article which created the American presidency. We should consider a
    change.

    The fundamental goal of the first founding of America was to discard
    the British monarchy, to establish a republican form of government. We
    see this in Benjamin FranklinAs famous response to Elizabeth Willing
    PowelAs question: oWell, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a
    monarchy?o

    oA republic,o Franklin replied, oif you can keep it.o

    Can we keep it? ThatAs the concern that preoccupied antifederalists
    such as Cato. While Franklin himself said the Constitution, for all
    its flaws, was as onear to perfectiono as we could reasonably expect,
    the antifederalists saw it as inherently dangerous. It lacked a Bill
    of Rights. (The antifederalists were instrumental in persuading the
    states to ratify the Bill of Rights after they ratified the
    Constitution.) It gave too much power to the central government and
    ruling elites. And the presidency, in the hands of a bad man, could
    produce despotism.

    The problems with the presidency, according to Cato, began in the
    first words of Article II. oThe construction of the first paragraph of
    the first section of the second article,o he said, ois vague and
    inexplicit.o

    He is exactly right. ItAs so vague and inexplicit, in fact, that itAs
    hard to discern what it actually means. Ambitious leaders are eager to
    fill the vacuum created by ambiguity.

    Here is the key sentence: oThe executive Power shall be vested in a
    President of the United States of America.o That sentence immediately
    raises two questions: What is executive power? And, crucially, what
    are its limits?

    When President Trump entered office in his first term, he didnAt have
    a clear theory of power. Trump isnAt a constitutional scholar (to say
    the least), and initially he was surrounded by more or less
    traditional Republicans who were far more wedded to longstanding
    American constitutional traditions than he was.

    This time, however, heAs surrounded by a different breed of Republican
    u people who possess a theory of power, declare that itAs found right
    in the text of the Constitution, and then press that power to its
    limit and beyond.

    The best description of TrumpAs theory comes from Jack Goldsmith, a
    law professor at Harvard, who says that it has four distinct elements:

    (a) the Constitution vests all of the executive power in the
    president; (b) all subordinate executive branch officials are
    removable at will by the president; (c) the presidentAs Article II
    duty to otake care that the laws be faithfully executedo entails an
    exclusive presidential power to decide which laws to enforce or not to
    enforce; and (d) the president can thus direct and control all
    subordinate executive officials.

    We see each of these elements at work in countless Trump actions and
    decisions in his second term, from his mass terminations of executive
    branch employees, to defunding executive branch agencies established
    by Congress, to refusing to enforce the law that effectively bans
    TikTok. Trump is turning Congress into an advisory committee. It gets
    to pass the law, but he decides which laws to enforce.

    Taken together, these four principles turn the constitutional order
    upside down. IAm not a big fan of trigger warnings, but I must confess
    that there is a phrase that triggers me every time I see it: ocoequal
    branches of government.o

    Um, no. Our nation is not supposed to have coequal branches. Congress
    is supposed to reign supreme. Yes, the other branches have the power
    to check Congress (presidents can veto legislation; courts exercise
    judicial review), but Congress alone possesses the power of the purse.
    Congress alone is supposed to possess the power to declare war.
    Congress can impeach and remove members of the executive and judicial
    branches of government, including the president and justices of the
    Supreme Court.

    I donAt know about you, but I tend to call the person who can fire me
    oboss.o

    There is a very good reason for that congressional supremacy. Congress
    u particularly the House of Representatives u is our most democratic,
    most representative branch of government. ItAs Congress more than the presidency (or any court) that makes our country a democracy.

    But now Congress is our weakest branch of government. ItAs wholly
    defined by the president. When itAs controlled by the presidentAs
    party, itAs entirely supine. When itAs controlled by the opposition,
    itAs defiant. But itAs never truly independent. It is not exerting its
    own will.

    Nothing IAm saying is original. Lots and lots and lots of people from
    all over the American political spectrum recognize CongressAs
    weakness. The American people despise Congress. According to Gallup
    polling, itAs the least-trusted governmental institution in the United
    States. Americans can see clearly that Congress is almost entirely
    partisan, and the president defines the contours of that partisanship
    more than anyone else.

    This concern doesnAt originate with Trump. If the problem were only
    Trump, then it could be solved when he leaves office. In reality, his presidency represents the amplification and culmination of a
    longstanding bipartisan trend. Presidents from both parties have
    stretched their power u at a lesser scale than Trump u but the
    executive had become the most powerful branch of government well
    before Trump became president. Arthur Schlesinger had most likely
    never heard of Donald Trump when he first wrote about othe imperial presidency.o

    WeAre living in the miserable reality that our presidents have made
    for us. Every four years, Americans go to the polls to elect the most
    powerful man in the world u at the helm of the most powerful branch of government u yet most of us donAt cast meaningful votes. Unless we
    live in one of the half-dozen or so true swing states, we donAt have
    much of a voice in selecting our nationAs true u and sometimes only u
    real leader.

    Most solutions to this problem amount to little more than moral
    exhortation and public shaming. oBe better,o we tell Congress. oExert
    your authority.o We have different admonitions for presidents.
    oRestrain yourself,o we tell them. oDonAt try to push too far.o

    How long must we struggle before we realize that the system itself
    needs to change? When the antifederalists looked at the scope of
    presidential power in the Constitution, from the vague and sweeping
    first sentence of Article II, to the presidentAs broad authority over
    pardons and his control over the military, they had a warning for us u
    a king is coming, an American king is coming to replace the British
    one.

    As IAve written before, the federalist answer to the antifederalist
    complaint came in the form of a legal principle (impeachment) and a
    virtuous person (George Washington).

    This moment reminds me of the Virginia ratification debate, when
    George Mason and other antifederalists sounded the alarm about the
    presidentAs pardon power and his sweeping authority over the armed
    forces.

    James Madison rose in response.

    oIf the president be connected in any suspicious manner with any
    persons,o he said oand there be grounds to believe he will shelter
    himself; the House of Representatives can impeach him u they can
    remove him if found guilty.o

    Impeachment, Madison said, was a ogreat security.o

    It is not. It took more than 230 years for a senator to vote to
    convict a president of his own party. That senator was Mitt Romney in
    2020, and he stood alone. After the president of the United States
    helped foment a violent attack on the Capitol and attempted to reverse
    the results of a presidential election, only seven members of his
    party broke ranks u far too few to convict.

    And then, when the president pardoned the Jan. 6 rioters, connecting
    him in a osuspicious mannero with people who attempted a violent coup
    on his behalf, Congress did nothing.

    Compounding the problem, WashingtonAs influence has waned.

    As the most revered American of his time, he could have grasped
    near-absolute power and governed the nation as long as he lived.
    Instead, he term-limited himself. In contrast with modern politicians
    who can sometimes pursue the presidency with an almost maniacal zeal, Washington was the reluctant president, and at every step was
    conscious that he was setting a precedent. He lived to create a
    legacy.

    The antifederalists admired Washington, but they knew that his example
    would not endure. An antifederalist writing under the pseudonym An Old
    Whig said it well, oSo far is it from its being improbable that the
    man who shall hereafter be in a situation to make the attempt to
    perpetuate his own power, should want the virtues of General
    Washington,o he wrote, othat it is perhaps a chance of one hundred
    millions to one that the next age will not furnish an example of so disinterested a use of great power.o

    We are in the next age, and we are governed by a man who shuns
    WashingtonAs example and grasps for power with both hands.

    There is a constitutional answer to this national challenge. We can u
    at long last u heed the warnings of the antifederalists, and we can do
    it simply enough, by changing the first sentence of Article II.
    Instead of declaring oThe executive power shall be vested in a
    president of the United States of America,o it should read, oA
    president of the United States of America shall execute laws passed by Congress.o

    This simple change has sweeping implications. It removes the president
    as the chief executive of the nation and turns him or her into a
    steward of the laws passed through the democratic process. In this
    formulation, the Department of Defense and the Department of Education
    arenAt his agencies, theyAre his to run according to the rules and
    guidelines established by Congress.

    No longer would the president possess a free-standing oexecutive
    powero that would grant him the authority that Trump seeks, including
    the discretion to decide which laws to enforce and which laws to
    ignore.

    Revising the executive vesting clause isnAt the only necessary or
    prudent constitutional change (the pardon power should be revisited,
    for example), but it would make explicit what the Constitution makes
    implicit: Congress is the supreme branch, and at a stroke the
    Constitution would no longer enable, in CatoAs formulation, an
    ambitious president to oruin his country.o

    This new presidency wouldnAt be powerless. The president would still
    command the armed forces, for example, and he or she would still
    nominate judges and make treaties.

    Nor would this amendment permit Congress to run amok. The president
    would still possess the veto. Courts would still possess the right of
    judicial review.

    But the balance of power would shift, and the populist project of
    maximum executive authority would come to an end, and only another
    amendment would make it rise again.

    If history is any indication, unless the next president has
    Washingtonian character and foresight, then it is quite likely that he
    or she will imitate Trump and wield all the power that he or she can u
    though in service of their own ends, rather than TrumpAs. In fact, in
    the absence of congressional action it will take a Trumpian exercise
    of power to simply undo all the worst excesses of his second term.

    But there is another path. Our nation can look at our escalating
    political conflicts, at the hysteria that engulfs the country every
    four years as we elect a quasi-monarch, and decide that enough is
    enough.

    This will take time. Americans are so divided that any constitutional
    amendment thatAs seen as partisan is dead on arrival. But itAs also a
    mistake to believe that our present polarization is permanent. When
    this terrible political moment does end, wise men and women will need
    to step forward and propose the changes that will prevent the next
    American demagogue from grasping for power that threatens our
    republic.

    When this terrible political moment does end. Oh hah.

    wise men and women will need to step forward and propose the changes.
    Oh, hahaha.

    Repair nonfunctional impeachment? No we don't really want it to be
    easy to impeach a president. If it were, how ever would we keep one?

    Ammendmend the constitution? Oh, my clouds in the sky. As if 3/4 of
    congress and 3/4 of the states could agree on anything.

    Wise men and women. Oh, we have those, but they simply cannot gather
    the political traction to get elected for much of anything. And
    knowing the hounding, struggling, and persecutions involved, they are
    wise enough to refuse to be politicians almost always.

    Wise men and women. In the end, the rest of us are not wise enough to recognize their value, and so deserve that they should do anything but
    pursue well being for themselves. That much is fairly guaranteed for
    smart, comptent, talented people.

    And we do not deserve better from them.


    Sorry, David, solution has not arrived. Please try again. You do
    think rather clearly about stuffnjunk.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From vjp2.at@vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 21 12:59:53 2025
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    It is worth realising the Framers thought of Gideon vs David (Israel), Cato
    vs Caesar (Rome), Republic vs Kingdom.

    Although, some of this was contrived. Plato's word for Republic, politieia, actually meant state as opposed to polis meaning city. Greeks call the USA Enomenai Politeiai, United States. Politevma means governance. So the canard
    of republic vs democracy isn't really true. In the Greek Church, they hymn about God's Politevma.
    --
    Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
    ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 21 09:48:51 2025
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    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:59:53 -0000 (UTC),
    vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

    It is worth realising the Framers thought of Gideon vs David (Israel), Cato >vs Caesar (Rome), Republic vs Kingdom.

    Although, some of this was contrived. Plato's word for Republic, politieia, >actually meant state as opposed to polis meaning city. Greeks call the USA >Enomenai Politeiai, United States. Politevma means governance. So the canard >of republic vs democracy isn't really true. In the Greek Church, they hymn >about God's Politevma.

    That's cute. Too bad it is no help in the year 2025.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 21 10:03:33 2025
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    On 8/21/2025 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:59:53 -0000 (UTC), vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

    It is worth realising the Framers thought of Gideon vs David (Israel), Cato >> vs Caesar (Rome), Republic vs Kingdom.

    Although, some of this was contrived. Plato's word for Republic, politieia, >> actually meant state as opposed to polis meaning city. Greeks call the USA >> Enomenai Politeiai, United States. Politevma means governance. So the canard >> of republic vs democracy isn't really true. In the Greek Church, they hymn >> about God's Politevma.

    That's cute. Too bad it is no help in the year 2025.

    It helps us understand why David French got so confused: apparently
    French cannot read or speak Greek, so he threw us a really long and
    boring canard: republic vs democracy isn't really true; they mean the
    same thing, according to the Greek Plato.
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 21 13:14:27 2025
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    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:03:33 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/21/2025 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:59:53 -0000 (UTC),
    vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

    It is worth realising the Framers thought of Gideon vs David (Israel), Cato >>> vs Caesar (Rome), Republic vs Kingdom.

    Although, some of this was contrived. Plato's word for Republic, politieia, >>> actually meant state as opposed to polis meaning city. Greeks call the USA >>> Enomenai Politeiai, United States. Politevma means governance. So the canard
    of republic vs democracy isn't really true. In the Greek Church, they hymn >>> about God's Politevma.

    That's cute. Too bad it is no help in the year 2025.

    It helps us understand why David French got so confused: apparently
    French cannot read or speak Greek, so he threw us a really long and
    boring canard: republic vs democracy isn't really true; they mean the
    same thing, according to the Greek Plato.

    But not to us right now. I can understand how the greeks might have
    thought that 2000+ years ago. They essentially had only city states,
    Athens, Sparta. There was no federal greek government at that time.

    So, what? What the greeks meant does not vanish away our current
    struggle to keep our "republic". Perhaps you can suggest a different
    name for it, that we would then also be struggling to keep. samesame.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 21 17:24:40 2025
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    On 8/21/2025 10:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:03:33 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/21/2025 6:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:59:53 -0000 (UTC),
    vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

    It is worth realising the Framers thought of Gideon vs David (Israel), Cato
    vs Caesar (Rome), Republic vs Kingdom.

    Although, some of this was contrived. Plato's word for Republic, politieia,
    actually meant state as opposed to polis meaning city. Greeks call the USA >>>> Enomenai Politeiai, United States. Politevma means governance. So the canard
    of republic vs democracy isn't really true. In the Greek Church, they hymn >>>> about God's Politevma.

    That's cute. Too bad it is no help in the year 2025.

    It helps us understand why David French got so confused: apparently
    French cannot read or speak Greek, so he threw us a really long and
    boring canard: republic vs democracy isn't really true; they mean the
    same thing, according to the Greek Plato.

    But not to us right now. I can understand how the greeks might have
    thought that 2000+ years ago. They essentially had only city states,
    Athens, Sparta. There was no federal greek government at that time.

    So, what? What the greeks meant does not vanish away our current
    struggle to keep our "republic". Perhaps you can suggest a different
    name for it, that we would then also be struggling to keep. samesame.

    Just call it a circus - nominate a clown and bring in direct voting and
    term limits and redraw the district voting lines so one party wins most
    of the votes. A circus.

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  • From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Aug 23 23:39:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/20/25 5:13 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    An amendment that can help save our democracy

    By David French

    On Nov. 8, 1787, a pamphleteer who wrote under the pseudonym Cato
    published one of the most prescient warnings in American history.

    Cato looked at the proposed Constitution and declared that it might
    well turn into a vehicle for tyranny.

    He didnrCOt see a Constitution of enumerated rights that sharply limited
    the power of the president. Instead, he saw a Constitution that
    granted the president such sweeping authority rCLthat if the president
    is possessed of ambition, he has power and time sufficient to ruin his country.rCY

    In other words, Cato could see a man like Donald Trump coming, and he
    knew the Constitution could not prevent his rise.

    You did not bother to state this is from the New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/opinion/trump-constitution-unitary-executive.html

    (which I just learned that anyone can read by selecting
    Reader View in a web browser and clicking Reload Page.)

    I buy that paper sometimes and find it has the
    same political line as every other news source,
    but comes out cheaper than my local newspaper;
    the same stuff but more of it.

    We've been hearing this line for about ten years, that
    Trump was elected and therefore the constitution is
    a failure, voting is a failure and so must be radically
    changed.

    The real crime is monopoly journalism, of what the New York
    Times surely is part of, illegally colluding against
    competition. But no laws will change the ever increasing
    monopolism in journalism, industry, politics, commerce, trade,
    advertising and education than an ideological change away from
    trusting the mendacious tabloid trash that is the monopoly
    media to get the basic facts right.








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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sun Aug 24 08:57:01 2025
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    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 23:39:13 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/20/25 5:13 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    An amendment that can help save our democracy

    By David French

    On Nov. 8, 1787, a pamphleteer who wrote under the pseudonym Cato
    published one of the most prescient warnings in American history.

    Cato looked at the proposed Constitution and declared that it might
    well turn into a vehicle for tyranny.

    He didnAt see a Constitution of enumerated rights that sharply limited
    the power of the president. Instead, he saw a Constitution that
    granted the president such sweeping authority othat if the president
    is possessed of ambition, he has power and time sufficient to ruin his
    country.o

    In other words, Cato could see a man like Donald Trump coming, and he
    knew the Constitution could not prevent his rise.

    You did not bother to state this is from the New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/opinion/trump-constitution-unitary-executive.html

    (which I just learned that anyone can read by selecting
    Reader View in a web browser and clicking Reload Page.)

    I buy that paper sometimes and find it has the
    same political line as every other news source,
    but comes out cheaper than my local newspaper;
    the same stuff but more of it.

    We've been hearing this line for about ten years, that
    Trump was elected and therefore the constitution is
    a failure, voting is a failure and so must be radically
    changed.

    And you refuse to believe that.

    The real crime is monopoly journalism, of what the New York
    Times surely is part of, illegally colluding against
    competition. But no laws will change the ever increasing
    monopolism in journalism, industry, politics, commerce, trade,
    advertising and education than an ideological change away from
    trusting the mendacious tabloid trash that is the monopoly
    media to get the basic facts right.

    Are you about to tell us that nypost and other far right mouthpieces
    are the place to go for truth?
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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