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On 8/19/2025 6:38 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I actually think ten year olds should be using Maxima or MathematicaThanks for posting this!
to do calculus but their teachers are too dumb.
Bloomberg hired math teachers from Czehia and Haiti.
THe USA has great mathematicians, but they work in industry or research.
In poor countries, they teach.
Our teachers are great at coaching, but there is no way they can keep up with
the subject matter. So let them coach kids on using automated tools.
My uncle used to teach one room school houses in the 1940s. He went around >> the room and coached kids who were at different levels. Most of my elementary
school language teachers (late 1960s) did the same. How many of you used
workbooks (1970s) for math and english in the afternoon while your teachers >> graded papers?
So go back to that. Have the teacher go around the room and coach kids to use
automated learning tools, each at their own level.
Right now you got teachers who say calculators mean you don't have to teach >> 12x12 multiplication. I agree, but don't let that be an excuse to teach less >> pd to play twiddlie winks all day. Use the time you save to teach more
advanced stuff. Kids don't have to learn multiplication beyond 7x7. And they >> don't have to learn the entire integral tables, just the basics, because
I either look them up or use the computer.
I took some Ivy league supergenius freshman courses in the late 1970s,
(you've seem them on X Files) and my classmates were mostly from USA elite >> high schools (from which they grad at sixteen, just like my professors did) >> or from Russia, Iran and China. Ok, there was a Greek (from an elite
American high school in Greece) and he is now a Stanford math professor. Most
of us grad a year early. I got my Ivy engineering degree at nineteen. One >> Russian jumped from freshman year to MIT doctoral program, no degrees in
between. Point is, other countries will rip ahead of us until we take
educating the smartest seriously.
You just can't beat these new tools for teaching kids science and
liberal arts. In the social sciences a teacher can have the whole class
of teens mesmerized using multi media tools. Give primary students an
iPad or a Kindle and get them hooked on reading classics for free. Have >preteen students keep their own grade book using a spreadsheet. Get them >ready for a technology world.
On 8/19/2025 6:38 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I actually think ten year olds should be using Maxima or MathematicaThanks for posting this!
to do calculus but their teachers are too dumb.
Bloomberg hired math teachers from Czehia and Haiti.
THe USA has great mathematicians, but they work in industry or research.
In poor countries, they teach.
Our teachers are great at coaching, but there is no way they can keep
up with
the subject matter. So let them coach kids on using automated tools.
My uncle used to teach one room school houses in the 1940s. He went
around
the room and coached kids who were at different levels. Most of my
elementary
school language teachers (late 1960s) did the same. How many of you used
workbooks (1970s) for math and english in the afternoon while your
teachers
graded papers?
So go back to that. Have the teacher go around the room and coach kids
to use
automated learning tools, each at their own level.
Right now you got teachers who say calculators mean you don't have to
teach
12x12 multiplication. I agree, but don't let that be an excuse to
teach less
pd to play twiddlie winks all day. Use the time you save to teach more
advanced stuff. Kids don't have to learn multiplication beyond 7x7.
And they
don't have to learn the entire integral tables, just the basics, because
I either look them up or use the computer.
I took some Ivy league supergenius freshman courses in the late 1970s,
(you've seem them on X Files) and my classmates were mostly from USA
elite
high schools (from which they grad at sixteen, just like my professors
did)
or from Russia, Iran and China.-a Ok, there was a Greek (from an elite
American high school in Greece) and he is now a Stanford math
professor. Most
of us grad a year early. I got my Ivy engineering degree at nineteen.
One
Russian jumped from freshman year to MIT doctoral program, no degrees in
between.-a Point is, other countries will rip ahead of us until we take
educating the smartest seriously.
You just can't beat these new tools for teaching kids science and
liberal arts. In the social sciences a teacher can have the whole class
of teens mesmerized using multi media tools. Give primary students an
iPad or a Kindle and get them hooked on reading classics for free. Have preteen students keep their own grade book using a spreadsheet. Get them ready for a technology world.
*+-There is a problem with quality education in the us. Politicians know >*+-that being aware of fallacies, and critical thinking interfere with ad >*+-effectiveness, especially political ad effectiveness. Politicians
THe best USA schools are the best in the world.
The problem is there are a lot of bad schools at the bottom.
My dad paid a third of his $13k/yr salary on private ed for me 1966-83. I >got my Ivy engineering degree at nineteen. Bloomberg did excellent work on >NYC schools, but the unions took everything back when he left. The problem is >the unions exist to serve their members not the students. I had never thought >all the fixes could be reversed so quickly. We need to think in terms of >outcomes vs interests. Our politics have become parasitic
THe USA is deeply
divided because very few, right or left, rich or poor, are concerned about >the common good, only themselves.
THe other problem is when somoen doesn't
have something, they aspire to it, when they get it for free, they no onger >care. Archie Bunker voted for Nixon but put his daughter through college - >Al Bundy voted for Trump but never thought his kids needed college. My folks' >generation all aspired to educate their kids, the Al Bundies think it is a >waste of time, because they no longer have to earn it, they get it for free.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:52:30 -0000 (UTC), >vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
*+-There is a problem with quality education in the us. Politicians know >>*+-that being aware of fallacies, and critical thinking interfere with ad >>*+-effectiveness, especially political ad effectiveness. Politicians
THe best USA schools are the best in the world.
The problem is there are a lot of bad schools at the bottom.
Harvard, yale, mit. Even state colleges are good enough to attract
foreign students.
High schools, not so much.
My dad paid a third of his $13k/yr salary on private ed for me 1966-83. I >>got my Ivy engineering degree at nineteen. Bloomberg did excellent work on >>NYC schools, but the unions took everything back when he left. The problem is >>the unions exist to serve their members not the students. I had never thought >>all the fixes could be reversed so quickly. We need to think in terms of >>outcomes vs interests. Our politics have become parasitic
You are being kind. Unfortunately the only place we have to draw
politicians from is us.
--THe USA is deeply
divided because very few, right or left, rich or poor, are concerned about >>the common good, only themselves.
Not so few.
THe other problem is when somoen doesn't
have something, they aspire to it, when they get it for free, they no onger >>care. Archie Bunker voted for Nixon but put his daughter through college - >>Al Bundy voted for Trump but never thought his kids needed college. My folks' >>generation all aspired to educate their kids, the Al Bundies think it is a >>waste of time, because they no longer have to earn it, they get it for free.
Which gives us the attitude of the ivy league student these days.
Entitled. Viciouisly ambitious. We have met the enemy and he is us.