• Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sun Aug 17 16:55:06 2025
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    Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    Most all churches teach that we all have an immortal soul. And that it
    leaves the body at death, and goes on to heavenly bliss or damnation.
    Let's examine those teachings in light of the Bible.

    First, is the soul immortal? The Bible says:

    - King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall
    die.

    "it shall die". Sounds pretty mortal to me. The Bible talks about a
    soul, but never an IMMORTAL soul. If we say we follow the Bible, then
    we have to accept those Bible facts.

    So how did the word "immortal" get stuck to the word "soul"? According
    to an encyclopedia, it happened in the distant past by folks whose
    Names you should recognize; Plato and Aristotle.

    Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

    "Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without
    making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian
    doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
    of Plato and Aristotle."

    Do you know the first time the word soul is used in the Bible? It is
    with fish. Observe:

    Ge 1:20 says,

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living
    souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the
    face of the expanse of the heavens."" (my brackets)
    Rev 16:3 says,

    "And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became
    blood as of a dead man, and every living soul [psykhe] died, [yes,]
    the things in the sea. (1st brackets mine)

    The word "soul" also has other meanings depending upon the context.
    For example the word can mean life, or Future life.

    So in summary:

    -the soul is NOT immortal, but can die.
    -the first use of the word "soul" is with fish.
    -since fish are souls, so are dogs, cats, birds, and people.
    -depending upon context, the word can have other meanings.

    Sincerely James
    "Jesus will end war"
    See jw.org 8/15/2025)



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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sun Aug 17 16:06:02 2025
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    You are misrepresenting what the Bible actually teaches. LetrCOs examine
    this carefully.

    1. Ezekiel 18:4 does not mean annihilation.

    When Ezekiel says rCLthe soul who sins shall dierCY (Ezekiel 18:4, ESV), he
    is speaking of physical death under the Law of Moses. It is a legal
    principle of GodrCOs justice. It does not say that the soul ceases to
    exist after death. In fact, the same book makes clear that the wicked
    rCLwill bear their iniquityrCY (Ezekiel 44:10, 12). Ceasing to exist would
    not be bearing anything.

    2. The New Testament shows conscious existence after death.

    rCo Jesus said, rCLDo not fear those who kill the body but cannot
    kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and
    body in [Gehenna]rCY (Matthew 10:28, ESV). This shows the soul
    survives physical death, or else men rCocouldrCo kill it. God alone
    holds power over the soul after death.

    rCo Paul said, rCLMy desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that
    is far betterrCY (Philippians 1:23, ESV). If death meant ceasing
    to exist, Paul would not call it rCLbetter.rCY

    rCo To be rCLaway from the bodyrCY is to be rCLat home with the LordrCY (2
    Corinthians 5:8, ESV). ThatrCOs conscious presence, not
    nonexistence.

    rCo Jesus told the thief on the cross, rCLTruly, I say to you, today
    you will be with me in ParadiserCY (Luke 23:43, ESV). That
    promise has meaning only if the manrCOs soul continued after
    death.

    3. Jesus taught conscious torment for the unbelieving dead.
    In Luke 16:19rCo31, the rich man is described as rCLin tormentrCY after death, while Lazarus is comforted. This is not annihilation. Jesus put this in unmistakable terms so that men would take warning.

    4. Degrees of judgment require conscious existence.

    Jesus said it would be rCLmore tolerable on the day of judgment for the
    land of Sodom than for yourCY (Matthew 11:24, ESV). He also said of Judas, rCLIt would have been better for that man if he had not been bornrCY (Mark 14:21, ESV). There are no degrees of nonexistence. These verses only
    make sense if the soul consciously experiences judgment.

    5. The Bible never says the soul is annihilated.

    While rCLimmortal soulrCY as a phrase does not appear, the concept is
    plainly taught:

    rCo rCLThis perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this
    mortal body must put on immortalityrCY (1 Corinthians 15:53,
    ESV).

    rCo rCLThey will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away
    from the presence of the LordrCY (2 Thessalonians 1:9, ESV).
    rCoEternal destructionrCo means ongoing ruin, not ceasing to exist.

    6. Philosophers did not invent the soulrCOs immortalityrCoGod revealed it.

    The Bible was already teaching conscious existence after death before
    Plato or Aristotle. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were spoken of as living
    to God long after their deaths (Matthew 22:32, ESV). Samuel appeared and
    spoke after his death (1 Samuel 28:15). Moses and Elijah appeared and conversed with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).

    The soul continues after death, either in comfort with Christ or in
    torment awaiting final judgment. That is why the gospel is so urgent.
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  • From None@none@none.non to alt.bible, alt.religion.christian on Sun Aug 17 16:36:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Aug 17, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<ed94akhs1sqvrqu8744hnkql9vj7h7r9g2@4ax.com>):

    Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    Most all churches teach that we all have an immortal soul. And that it
    leaves the body at death, and goes on to heavenly bliss or damnation.
    Let's examine those teachings in light of the Bible.

    First, is the soul immortal? The Bible says:

    - King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall
    die.

    "it shall die". Sounds pretty mortal to me. The Bible talks about a
    soul, but never an IMMORTAL soul. If we say we follow the Bible, then
    we have to accept those Bible facts.

    So how did the word "immortal" get stuck to the word "soul"? According
    to an encyclopedia, it happened in the distant past by folks whose
    Names you should recognize; Plato and Aristotle.

    Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

    "Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without
    making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian
    doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
    of Plato and Aristotle."

    Do you know the first time the word soul is used in the Bible? It is
    with fish. Observe:

    Ge 1:20 says,

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living
    souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the
    face of the expanse of the heavens."" (my brackets)
    Rev 16:3 says,

    "And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became
    blood as of a dead man, and every living soul [psykhe] died, [yes,]
    the things in the sea. (1st brackets mine)

    The word "soul" also has other meanings depending upon the context.
    For example the word can mean life, or Future life.

    So in summary:

    -the soul is NOT immortal, but can die.
    -the first use of the word "soul" is with fish.
    -since fish are souls, so are dogs, cats, birds, and people.
    -depending upon context, the word can have other meanings.

    This last sentence tells us all you have no clue what it is all about. If the word has other meanings and you cannot differentiate what they are, then you are fully out to lunch on the topic and all you ever wrote about this topic can be dismissed out of hand as ignorance.

    Why spread your nonsense about?


    Sincerely James
    "Jesus will end war"

    You do not know what you are speaking about here. What War and when?


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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Mon Aug 18 17:32:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:36:56 -0700, None <none@none.non> wrote:

    On Aug 17, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote >(Message-ID:<ed94akhs1sqvrqu8744hnkql9vj7h7r9g2@4ax.com>):

    Afternoony,


    Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    Most all churches teach that we all have an immortal soul. And that it
    leaves the body at death, and goes on to heavenly bliss or damnation.
    Let's examine those teachings in light of the Bible.

    First, is the soul immortal? The Bible says:

    - King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall
    die.

    "it shall die". Sounds pretty mortal to me. The Bible talks about a
    soul, but never an IMMORTAL soul. If we say we follow the Bible, then
    we have to accept those Bible facts.

    So how did the word "immortal" get stuck to the word "soul"? According
    to an encyclopedia, it happened in the distant past by folks whose
    Names you should recognize; Plato and Aristotle.

    Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

    "Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without
    making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian
    doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
    of Plato and Aristotle."

    Do you know the first time the word soul is used in the Bible? It is
    with fish. Observe:

    Ge 1:20 says,

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living
    souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the
    face of the expanse of the heavens."" (my brackets)
    Rev 16:3 says,

    "And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became
    blood as of a dead man, and every living soul [psykhe] died, [yes,]
    the things in the sea. (1st brackets mine)

    The word "soul" also has other meanings depending upon the context.
    For example the word can mean life, or Future life.

    So in summary:

    -the soul is NOT immortal, but can die.
    -the first use of the word "soul" is with fish.
    -since fish are souls, so are dogs, cats, birds, and people.
    -depending upon context, the word can have other meanings.

    This last sentence tells us all you have no clue what it is all about. If the >word has other meanings and you cannot differentiate what they are,

    That's a wrong conclusion. I usually do know the meaning of the word
    soul in its sentence.

    then you
    are fully out to lunch on the topic and all you ever wrote about this topic >can be dismissed out of hand as ignorance.

    Unlike the churches, it's all Bible based. You are free to take it or
    leave it, as the saying goes.

    Why spread your nonsense about?

    Hopefully to point people to the narrow road to life.



    Sincerely James
    "Jesus will end war"

    You do not know what you are speaking about here. What War and when?

    -What war= the general category of war, which means all wars.

    -When= when God says it's time.

    Sincerely James
    "Will Diplomacy Bring Peace?"
    See jw.org 8/18/2025)




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  • From None@none@none.non to alt.bible, alt.religion.christian on Mon Aug 18 15:47:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Aug 18, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<m767akdcn87f5ls7i1p6i6t4bqrr725u14@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:36:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

    On Aug 17, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<ed94akhs1sqvrqu8744hnkql9vj7h7r9g2@4ax.com>):

    Afternoony,


    Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    Most all churches teach that we all have an immortal soul. And that it leaves the body at death, and goes on to heavenly bliss or damnation. Let's examine those teachings in light of the Bible.

    First, is the soul immortal? The Bible says:

    - King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall
    die.

    "it shall die". Sounds pretty mortal to me. The Bible talks about a
    soul, but never an IMMORTAL soul. If we say we follow the Bible, then
    we have to accept those Bible facts.

    So how did the word "immortal" get stuck to the word "soul"? According
    to an encyclopedia, it happened in the distant past by folks whose
    Names you should recognize; Plato and Aristotle.

    Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

    "Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
    of Plato and Aristotle."

    Do you know the first time the word soul is used in the Bible? It is
    with fish. Observe:

    Ge 1:20 says,

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the
    face of the expanse of the heavens."" (my brackets)
    Rev 16:3 says,

    "And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became
    blood as of a dead man, and every living soul [psykhe] died, [yes,]
    the things in the sea. (1st brackets mine)

    The word "soul" also has other meanings depending upon the context.
    For example the word can mean life, or Future life.

    So in summary:

    -the soul is NOT immortal, but can die.
    -the first use of the word "soul" is with fish.
    -since fish are souls, so are dogs, cats, birds, and people.
    -depending upon context, the word can have other meanings.

    This last sentence tells us all you have no clue what it is all about. If the
    word has other meanings and you cannot differentiate what they are,

    That's a wrong conclusion. I usually do know the meaning of the word
    soul in its sentence.

    Usually? That only confirms what I stated above.


    then you
    are fully out to lunch on the topic and all you ever wrote about this topic can be dismissed out of hand as ignorance.

    Unlike the churches, it's all Bible based. You are free to take it or
    leave it, as the saying goes.

    rCLBible basedrCY? According to what and whom?

    When an unqualified person reads a recipe, and does not understand what various words mean, or methodologies for preparation, but they go ahead and interpret the recipe according to the limited knowledge they have it can make all the difference in the world as to tastes and consistency of the product, even to the point of appearing like a burnt sacrifice rather than an elegant dinner. Such it is when a religious person who has not the spirit of God in them, leading them into all truths, are.

    You may mean well, but the end of it all, is crispy critters, including those who buy into your personal rCOtruthsrCO. How can you, for instance, know what are the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven?



    Why spread your nonsense about?

    Hopefully to point people to the narrow road to life.

    Yet you claim there are two paths. You proudly point that out on more than
    one occasion omitting any scriptural references.




    Sincerely James
    "Jesus will end war"

    You do not know what you are speaking about here. What War and when?

    -What war= the general category of war, which means all wars.

    -When= when God says it's time.

    Scripture? After all, you said you only go by the Bible and not the JW Dogma. And even then you fail to lay claim to which bible you get your supposed truths from.

    Yeah, what I say may seem a little harsh to you at time, but they stem from Scripture as well as the heart of God, within my limited understandings. 1 Cor. 13:12


    Sincerely James
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Tue Aug 19 08:19:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 15:47:46 -0700, None <none@none.non> wrote:

    On Aug 18, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote >(Message-ID:<m767akdcn87f5ls7i1p6i6t4bqrr725u14@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:36:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

    On Aug 17, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote
    (Message-ID:<ed94akhs1sqvrqu8744hnkql9vj7h7r9g2@4ax.com>):

    Afternoony,


    Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    Most all churches teach that we all have an immortal soul. And that it >> > > leaves the body at death, and goes on to heavenly bliss or damnation.
    Let's examine those teachings in light of the Bible.

    First, is the soul immortal? The Bible says:

    - King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall
    die.

    "it shall die". Sounds pretty mortal to me. The Bible talks about a
    soul, but never an IMMORTAL soul. If we say we follow the Bible, then
    we have to accept those Bible facts.

    So how did the word "immortal" get stuck to the word "soul"? According >> > > to an encyclopedia, it happened in the distant past by folks whose
    Names you should recognize; Plato and Aristotle.

    Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

    "Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without
    making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian
    doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
    of Plato and Aristotle."

    Do you know the first time the word soul is used in the Bible? It is
    with fish. Observe:

    Ge 1:20 says,

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living >> > > souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the
    face of the expanse of the heavens."" (my brackets)
    Rev 16:3 says,

    "And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became
    blood as of a dead man, and every living soul [psykhe] died, [yes,]
    the things in the sea. (1st brackets mine)

    The word "soul" also has other meanings depending upon the context.
    For example the word can mean life, or Future life.

    So in summary:

    -the soul is NOT immortal, but can die.
    -the first use of the word "soul" is with fish.
    -since fish are souls, so are dogs, cats, birds, and people.
    -depending upon context, the word can have other meanings.

    This last sentence tells us all you have no clue what it is all about. If >> > the
    word has other meanings and you cannot differentiate what they are,

    That's a wrong conclusion. I usually do know the meaning of the word
    soul in its sentence.

    Usually? That only confirms what I stated above.

    Morningola,

    I am not perfect. Sometimes I need to research a passage, in order to
    get the real sense of it.



    then you
    are fully out to lunch on the topic and all you ever wrote about this topic
    can be dismissed out of hand as ignorance.

    Unlike the churches, it's all Bible based. You are free to take it or
    leave it, as the saying goes.

    oBible basedo? According to what and whom?

    According to the Bible, and by God and Jesus.


    When an unqualified person reads a recipe, and does not understand what >various words mean, or methodologies for preparation, but they go ahead and >interpret the recipe according to the limited knowledge they have it can make >all the difference in the world as to tastes and consistency of the product, >even to the point of appearing like a burnt sacrifice rather than an elegant >dinner. Such it is when a religious person who has not the spirit of God in >them, leading them into all truths, are.

    I wasn't born with 100% Bible knowledge. I am always learning. So like
    I said, if I run across a Scripture I don't understand, I research it.

    Yes, I first go to the JW's. Then I go on the internet to see how
    others interpret it. By then, I can usually find what I want.


    You may mean well, but the end of it all, is crispy critters, including those >who buy into your personal AtruthsA. How can you, for instance, know what >are the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Most everything is right in the Bible, if you know where to look. And
    sometimes one has to resort to Bible principles.
    For example, is it alright to take another person's copywrited
    computer program without permission?

    Since the Bible doesn't talk about computers, we have to see if there
    are Bible principals that cover it; like:

    - King James
    Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him
    labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may
    have to give to him that needeth




    Why spread your nonsense about?

    Hopefully to point people to the narrow road to life.

    Yet you claim there are two paths.

    You proudly point that out on more than
    one occasion omitting any scriptural references.

    Oh really? I thought I covered that: Mt 7:13,14,

    13. "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the
    way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
    14. "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads
    to life, and there are few who find it. (NKJV)





    Sincerely James
    "Jesus will end war"

    You do not know what you are speaking about here. What War and when?

    -What war= the general category of war, which means all wars.

    -When= when God says it's time.

    Scripture? After all, you said you only go by the Bible and not the JW Dogma.

    JW Dogma, as you call it, is based on the Bible. Rev 6:1,2,

    1. Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one
    of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, "Come
    and see.''
    2. And I looked, and behold, a white horse. And he who sat on it had
    a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to
    conquer.

    Also, Rev 6:16,17,

    16. and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from
    the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
    17. "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to
    stand?''


    And even then you fail to lay claim to which bible you get your supposed >truths from.

    I use many translations. MOST of them agree with the NWT such as at 1
    John 4:8, God is love.


    Yeah, what I say may seem a little harsh to you at time, but they stem from >Scripture as well as the heart of God, within my limited understandings. 1 >Cor. 13:12

    I know you are sincere and fully believe your church doctrines.
    Hopefully, someday you will untwist the false doctrines of the
    churches, and see the wonderful radiant light of the true Scriptures.

    Sincerely James
    "Will Diplomacy Bring Peace?"
    See jw.org 8/19/2025)




    Sincerely James
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  • From None@none@none.non to alt.bible, alt.religion.christian on Tue Aug 19 11:34:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Aug 19, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<2ll8aklef36l0tq5r508g2l85l93ggie9j@4ax.com>):

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 15:47:46 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

    On Aug 18, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<m767akdcn87f5ls7i1p6i6t4bqrr725u14@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:36:56 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

    On Aug 17, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<ed94akhs1sqvrqu8744hnkql9vj7h7r9g2@4ax.com>):

    Afternoony,


    Bible soul: Immortal? NO. Can die? YES

    Most all churches teach that we all have an immortal soul. And that it
    leaves the body at death, and goes on to heavenly bliss or damnation. Let's examine those teachings in light of the Bible.

    First, is the soul immortal? The Bible says:

    - King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    "it shall die". Sounds pretty mortal to me. The Bible talks about a soul, but never an IMMORTAL soul. If we say we follow the Bible, then we have to accept those Bible facts.

    So how did the word "immortal" get stuck to the word "soul"? According
    to an encyclopedia, it happened in the distant past by folks whose Names you should recognize; Plato and Aristotle.

    Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

    "Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies of Plato and Aristotle."

    Do you know the first time the word soul is used in the Bible? It is with fish. Observe:

    Ge 1:20 says,

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living
    souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens."" (my brackets)
    Rev 16:3 says,

    "And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became blood as of a dead man, and every living soul [psykhe] died, [yes,] the things in the sea. (1st brackets mine)

    The word "soul" also has other meanings depending upon the context. For example the word can mean life, or Future life.

    So in summary:

    -the soul is NOT immortal, but can die.
    -the first use of the word "soul" is with fish.
    -since fish are souls, so are dogs, cats, birds, and people. -depending upon context, the word can have other meanings.

    This last sentence tells us all you have no clue what it is all about. If
    the
    word has other meanings and you cannot differentiate what they are,

    That's a wrong conclusion. I usually do know the meaning of the word
    soul in its sentence.

    Usually? That only confirms what I stated above.

    Morningola,

    I am not perfect. Sometimes I need to research a passage, in order to
    get the real sense of it.

    Solely from the perspective of the mind, not via spiritual understandings, as you mentioned below.
    Without God IN your life you are spinning your wheels lie most theologians.





    then you
    are fully out to lunch on the topic and all you ever wrote about this topic
    can be dismissed out of hand as ignorance.

    Unlike the churches, it's all Bible based. You are free to take it or leave it, as the saying goes.

    rCLBible basedrCY? According to what and whom?

    According to the Bible, and by God and Jesus.

    What bible I asked. Do you use bibles satantically translated? According to whom you did not answer here. What religion? Christianity is not a religion, the definition of what a christian is in todayrCOs world not one like it originally meant. Today is is a generic term that means nothing more that a person acknowledges that there is one God and He is good and that is the terminology of the average person. Excepting all the religions that believe that they have the only God, like Allah.

    The original terminology of the word meant, derisively, a christlike one. IOW one who walked like Christ did, with power.




    When an unqualified person reads a recipe, and does not understand what various words mean, or methodologies for preparation, but they go ahead and interpret the recipe according to the limited knowledge they have it can make
    all the difference in the world as to tastes and consistency of the product,
    even to the point of appearing like a burnt sacrifice rather than an elegant
    dinner. Such it is when a religious person who has not the spirit of God in them, leading them into all truths, are.
    I wasn't born with 100% Bible knowledge. I am always learning. So like
    I said, if I run across a Scripture I don't understand, I research it.

    Yes, I first go to the JW's. Then I go on the internet to see how
    others interpret it. By then, I can usually find what I want.

    And nowhere in there is God included. You seek info that fits the JW narrative, ignoring all others and never taking the time to understand what others say, and why.

    As I have stated, as does the Bible, religion cannot save anyone, and to look ar it as ones primary source it extremely self limiting and very well can
    lead to a poisonous meal designed by AI.


    You may mean well, but the end of it all, is crispy critters, including those
    who buy into your personal rCOtruthsrCO. How can you, for instance, know what are the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Most everything is right in the Bible, if you know where to look. And sometimes one has to resort to Bible principles.

    IF?? Bible principles?? What in the world are they? You have already clearly stated your negativity regarding any bibles due to what you claim is badly transcribed words, you have also stated that the Bible is all written by men and therefore can be reasonably disputed. EVEN while you quoted scripture
    that rCLall scripture is inspired by GodrCY in an effort to justify your personal understanding that are totally regulated by the thought process of the JW cult.

    A born again believer is a follower of Christ Jesus, not some religion. As such they follow the leading of the Holy Spirit tat resides in their new heart, not the god of their old man, that being the flesh.

    For example, is it alright to take another person's copywrited
    computer program without permission?

    Yes, when done according to the laws of men and per the limitations of copyright law.


    Since the Bible doesn't talk about computers, we have to see if there
    are Bible principals that cover it; like:

    - King James
    Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him
    labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may
    have to give to him that needeth

    That verse while having a principle behind it, speaks to things made by
    hands, whereas the word of God clearly states that under the New Covenant
    that the born again man is to be directed by a new law, that being one
    written upon their heart, which will then be Imprinted on their mind via the renewing of the mind,





    Why spread your nonsense about?

    Hopefully to point people to the narrow road to life.

    Yet you claim there are two paths.


    You proudly point that out on more than
    one occasion omitting any scriptural references.

    Oh really? I thought I covered that: Mt 7:13,14,

    13. "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the
    way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
    14. "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads
    to life, and there are few who find it. (NKJV)

    I thought it very strange when you last quoted those scriptures as they show only one path to heaven. Yet here you are again stating the same response to my question of two paths to heaven that you claim.

    If perchance you are claiming that the wide path also leads to heaven, then what difference would it make if any man follows God, or any religion, or whatever. Why would God through flooding the world with water to kill all
    life forms that breath air because of their gross sins, send them directly to heaven? Or when a serial rapist and murderer is put to death why ate they
    then honored with the A ticket to heaven?

    You mistakenly state that God is Love, as if to say he knows nothing else and can be nothing else, that he has no justice in him. rCLNeither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.rCY (Deu 16:22) Why does God condone hatred, and when? rCLYe that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.rCY (Psa 97:10)

    rCLSeek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the
    good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of
    hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.rCY (Amo 5:14-15)

    And this next verse speaks of hatred by God as well as the righteous man, as if it were a commandment.

    rCLThe fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.rCY (Pro 8:13)

    So then, how foolish is it to believe and teach others that God is Love as if that is all that he can be when we have these scriptures all of which you
    deny and claim that there be no rCLrighteous GodrCY who would do such a
    thing?

    To believe as you and others do is a total affront to the Heavenly Father,
    and is to say also that God does not punish evil doers. Does Satan punish men for doing the evil he desires of them to do? Because he punishes them not, does that mean then that Satan is actually the "God of Love" that you speak of?

    Is not that which is spoke of that in the last days men will call evil good, and good evil? Sounds to me like you flipped the rCLnight switchrCY.





    Sincerely James
    "Jesus will end war"

    You do not know what you are speaking about here. What War and when?

    -What war= the general category of war, which means all wars.

    -When= when God says it's time.

    Scripture? After all, you said you only go by the Bible and not the JW Dogma.

    JW Dogma, as you call it, is based on the Bible. Rev 6:1,2,

    1. Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one
    of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, "Come
    and see.''
    2. And I looked, and behold, a white horse. And he who sat on it had
    a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

    What is your point, for all of that was disrupted when the second seal was opened,...

    rCLAnd when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given
    to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.rCY (Rev 6:3-4)


    Also, Rev 6:16,17,

    16. and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from
    the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
    17. "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to
    stand?''

    And that was only the beginning of the Day of the Lord.

    So why does your explanation have no merit in regards to the question put to you?
    You answered nothing, just threw out a few scriptures while not even understandding the context.



    And even then you fail to lay claim to which bible you get your supposed truths from.

    I use many translations. MOST of them agree with the NWT such as at 1
    John 4:8, God is love.

    Incorrect, plus they were all there in some cases over 1,500 years ahead of the NWT.

    rCL(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)rCY (Jhn 4:8)




    Yeah, what I say may seem a little harsh to you at time, but they stem from Scripture as well as the heart of God, within my limited understandings. 1 Cor. 13:12

    I know you are sincere and fully believe your church doctrines.
    Hopefully, someday you will untwist the false doctrines of the
    churches, and see the wonderful radiant light of the true Scriptures.

    Again you are incorrect as well as totally insincere, because I told you hundreds if not thousands of times that I do not follow any churches doctrines. You also follow up that statement with a false accusation. As well as a deceitful lie. Why this last part?

    Because you very clearly stated where you go to find the rCLradiant light of the true scripturesrCY and is is never to God the giver of light, but to a cult religion and when that fails you then you go to other words of mankind
    to seek understanding, never going to God and waiting upon him. So the light you see is the same radiant light that many other deceived humans follow and that "True lightrCY is found in 2 Cor. 11:14 and to properly understand read the verses of that in context of the verses 12-15 and therein it also describes all the sincere doorknockers of the JW.


    Sincerely James

    You are sincerely incorrect, and will not look into the mirror of God to see what is truth and what is not.


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