From Newsgroup: alt.bible

Do we all have guardian angels?

No?

Before you criticize saying 'that cult doesn't know what it is talking
about', consider reasoning on the Bible. (Heb 11:19; Acts 17:2)

First of all, the exact words "guardian angel" are not found in the
Bible. And think about it a second. All the time children are hurt or
dying, such as drowning in a pool, or getting hit by a car etc. If
they had guardian angels, they must have been sleeping or something,
and of course it works similarly with adults getting hurt or killed.

Of course the word "angel" is in the Bible, but the word attached to
it, "guardian" is not. Somewhere in the past someone stuck on that
word to "angel".

But some people think Peter had a guardian angel based on Acts
12:13-16:

"13. And as Peter knocked at the door of the gate, a girl named Rhoda
came to answer.
14. When she recognized Peter's voice, because of her gladness she
did not open the gate, but ran in and announced that Peter stood
before the gate.
15. But they said to her, "You are beside yourself!'' Yet she kept
insisting that it was so. So they said, "It is his angel.''
16. Now Peter continued knocking; and when they opened the door and
saw him, they were astonished."

"It is his angel". Luke wrote this account and didn't go into details
on what he meant. Many times God sends an angel to help someone. God
did send one to Peter when he was imprisoned, and it doesn't say it
was "his angel". (Acts 12:6-10) Perhaps it was a similar circumstance.
Jesus also talked about this at Mt 18:10:

-- New King James
Matthew 18:10 "Take heed that you do not despise one of these little
ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face
of My Father who is in heaven.

This sounds more like 'guardian' angels, but we run into the same
problem as mentioned earlier; children dying from accidents etc. It's
like a movie star hiring a personal guard. He would expect the guard
to prevent harm coming to him, BEFORE it happens.

Thus Scripturally, the Bible does not give us enough information to
determine if we do or don't have one. With people getting hurt all the
time, it doesn't seem likely to me to have a personal guardian angel.

Sincerely James
"Jesus will end war"
See jw.org 8/14/2025)


--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.bible

On Aug 14, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<s4ds9k9tnjn4b986ehn6u7vci8s0lcpndc@4ax.com>):

Do we all have guardian angels?

No?

Before you criticize saying 'that cult doesn't know what it is talking about', consider reasoning on the Bible. (Heb 11:19; Acts 17:2)

First of all, the exact words "guardian angel" are not found in the
Bible. And think about it a second. All the time children are hurt or
dying, such as drowning in a pool, or getting hit by a car etc. If
they had guardian angels, they must have been sleeping or something,
and of course it works similarly with adults getting hurt or killed.

Of course the word "angel" is in the Bible, but the word attached to
it, "guardian" is not. Somewhere in the past someone stuck on that
word to "angel".

You mean like the JW stuck rCLarCY in front of the word God? John 1:1 in the JW versions of their bible.

rCLTake heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto
you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.rCY (Mat 18:10)

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear
not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 2: 13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Matthew 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,

Here is the proof that angels are assigned to man. One personal example that of Jesus the Messiah, the other in regards to all children.

Born Again people have the Holy Spirit who is in constant contact with the Heavenly Father on our behalf.

Psalm 91:11, Tis a shame that the NWT deprived you of these scriptures, or were you blinded by the evil one?

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.bible

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:33:47 -0700, None <none@none.non> wrote:

On Aug 14, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote >(Message-ID:<s4ds9k9tnjn4b986ehn6u7vci8s0lcpndc@4ax.com>):

Do we all have guardian angels?

No?

Before you criticize saying 'that cult doesn't know what it is talking
about', consider reasoning on the Bible. (Heb 11:19; Acts 17:2)

First of all, the exact words "guardian angel" are not found in the
Bible. And think about it a second. All the time children are hurt or
dying, such as drowning in a pool, or getting hit by a car etc. If
they had guardian angels, they must have been sleeping or something,
and of course it works similarly with adults getting hurt or killed.

Of course the word "angel" is in the Bible, but the word attached to
it, "guardian" is not. Somewhere in the past someone stuck on that
word to "angel".

You mean like the JW stuck oao in front of the word God? John 1:1 in the
JW versions of their bible.

Most ALL Bibles stick in words for clarity, your Bible included. Let
me know what translation you are using, and I guarantee I will find
some.

oTake heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto
you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which >is in heaven.o (Mat 18:10)

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the >Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear >not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of >the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 2: 13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord >appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and >his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: >for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Matthew 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth >in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,

Here is the proof that angels are assigned to man. One personal example that >of Jesus the Messiah, the other in regards to all children.

Yes, God sends angels to help His servants on occasion. That IS NOT
the same as having a personal guardian angel.

Other than the children's Scripture, none of them refers to an angel
assigned just for them. I have discussed the children Scripture on my
previous posting on; do we all have a guardian angel
? One point brought out was if they are supposed to personally guard
children and us from harm, they must be sleeping on the job.

Born Again people have the Holy Spirit who is in constant contact with the >Heavenly Father on our behalf.

Are you sure it is a person? Can you POUR OUT a person? (see Acts
2:17.18)

Yes, it is personified, just like wisdom has children. That doesn't
make wisdom a person. (Luke 7:35)

Psalm 91:11, Tis a shame that the NWT deprived you of these scriptures, or >were you blinded by the evil one?

The NWT is superior to all other translations. Here is just ONE
example: (compare to other translations)

For example, notice the translation of verb forms. In the NT, the
Greek verb tenses express not only the TIME of an action or state, but
also the KIND of action, whether momentary, starting out, continuing, repetitious, or completed. Attention to such coloring of the Greek
verb forms leads to a precise translation with the full force of the
action described.

For instance, the verb form at Mt 7:7 is of the 'continuing' type, not
just a one time thing. But these other translations only show it to be
a one time thing:

-- King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 7:7, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"

--New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Matthew 7:7, "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall
find; knock, and it shall be opened to you."

-- New King James Version (NKJV)
Matthew 7:7, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will
find; knock, and it will be opened to you."

-- New American Bible (Catholic) (NAB)
Matthew 7:7, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will
find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

-- Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find;
knock, and it will be opened to you."

-- New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given you; search, and you will
find; knock, and the door will be opened for you."

-- New International Version (NIV)
Matthew 7:7, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will
find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

However the NWT has rendered the verb form as it was written, and thus
intended to be read and understood. Also many other translations agree
with the NWT:

--New World Translation (NWT)

Matthew 7:7, "Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on
seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to
YOU."

"Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will
find; keep on knocking [reverently] and [the door] will be opened to
you." (AMP--Amplified Bible)

oKeep asking, and it will be given to you; keep seeking, and you will
find; keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you."
(CJB--Complete Jewish Bible )

"oContinue to ask, and God will give to you. Continue to search, and
you will find. Continue to knock, and the door will open for you." (ERV--Easy-to-Read Version)

"o+Ask [Keep asking], and +God will give [L it will be given; C the
passive verb implies God as subject] to you. +Search [Seek; Keep
seeking], and you will find. +Knock [Keep knocking], and the door will
open for you. " (EXB--Expanded Bible)

oKeep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you
will find. Keep knocking, an16555 162nd St d the door will be opened
to you." (HCSB--Holman Christian Standard Bible)

oKeep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on
seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be
opened to you." (NLT--New Living Translation)

"Keep asking and it shall be given to you; keep searching and you
shall find; keep knocking and the door shall be opened to you.
" (OJB--Orthodox Jewish Bible)

"Just ask and it will be given to you; seek after it and you will
find. Continue to knock and the door will be opened for you. "
(VOICE--The Voice)
(source: JW literature + my research)












The continual asking, and seeking, and knocking, is a main part of the
thought from that verse because of the verb form used there in the
original. And so should be evident there as well in the translation.

Sincerely James
"Jesus will end war"
See jw.org 8/15/2025)











Sincerely James
"Jesus will end war"
See jw.org 8/15/2025)


--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.bible

========================================
Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:10:01 -0400
<s4ds9k9tnjn4b986ehn6u7vci8s0lcpndc@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
========================================

First of all, the exact words "guardian angel" are not found in the
Bible.

It's not my purpose in this response to argue one way or the other about guardian angels. What I would point out is your erroneous and idiotic hermeneutics.

Your "First of all" argument is that if the exact words "guardian angel"
are not found in the Bible, then that's the primary ("first") evidence
the Bible doesn't teach it. It's as if you think you get to arbitrarily
pick some phrase of your own choosing, slap quotes on it, then pretend
that if that exact phrase doesn't occur in the Bible, it must be that
it's not taught in the Bible. This is self-evidently stupid and erroneous.

For example, the Bible nowhere uses the word "missions". Yet Matthew 28:19rCo20 commands going to all nations, making disciples, baptizing, and teaching them, which is exactly the missionary taskrCowhether or not the
word rCLmissionsrCY appears. But according to your idiotic principle, one could argue that "The Bible doesn't teach 'missions', because it doesn't
use the word "missions".

Or again, the Bible teaches the omnipresence of God without using the
word rCLomnipresence.rCY Psalm 139:7rCo10, Jeremiah 23:23rCo24, and Proverbs 15:3 clearly teach that God is everywhere at all times, even though the
Bible never uses the specific word rCLomnipresence.rCY

And think about it a second. All the time children are hurt or
dying, such as drowning in a pool, or getting hit by a car etc. If
they had guardian angels, they must have been sleeping or something,
and of course it works similarly with adults getting hurt or killed.

Secondly, you reason that since people are getting hurt and killed, then
this supports the idea we do not all have guardian angels. This shows
you are evaluating "guardian" by how people do *physically*. Yet
sometimes the imposition of physical death is a sign of God's favor:

rCLArise therefore, go to your house. When your feet enter the
city, the child shall die. And all Israel shall mourn for him
and bury him, for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave,
because in him there is found something pleasing to the LORD,
the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam.rCY (1 Kings 14:12rCo13,
ESV)

God took the life of JeroboamrCOs son precisely because he was the *only*
one in the family who found favor with Him. Physical illness and death
do not prove a lack of GodrCOs favor, and they certainly donrCOt prove the absence of a guardian angel.

rCLThe righteous man perishes, and no one lays it to heart; devout
men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous
man is taken away from calamity; he enters into peace; they rest
in their beds who walk in their uprightness.rCY (Isaiah 57:1rCo2
ESV)

Isaiah 57:1rCo2 teaches that when a righteous person dies, it can be GodrCOs mercy at workrCoremoving him from coming calamity and giving him peace and rest. Instead of being a sign of GodrCOs displeasure, their death may be a sign of His special favor and protection.

rCLTherefore, behold, I will gather you to your fathers, and you
shall be gathered to your grave in peace, and your eyes shall
not see all the disaster that I will bring upon this place.rCO And
they brought back word to the king.rCY (2 Kings 22:20)

In 2 Kings 22:20, God tells Josiah that his death will be a blessingrCohe
will be buried in peace and spared from witnessing the coming judgment
on the nation. His removal from life is an act of divine favor, not displeasure.

Your carnal, emotional-pap hermeneutics is not an appeal to the glory of
God or an honest evaluation of the Scripture, but to man-centered,
temporal emotions and erroneous standards.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

To automatically receive daily Bible teaching updates with colorful
images and website formatting, subscribe to my feed in a client like Thunderbird:

https://www.christrose.news/feeds/posts/default
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.bible

On Aug 15, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<oggu9kdsvk4ukll8tv7jrll7jdbaekssd9@4ax.com>):

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:33:47 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

On Aug 14, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<s4ds9k9tnjn4b986ehn6u7vci8s0lcpndc@4ax.com>):

Do we all have guardian angels?

No?

Before you criticize saying 'that cult doesn't know what it is talking about', consider reasoning on the Bible. (Heb 11:19; Acts 17:2)

First of all, the exact words "guardian angel" are not found in the Bible. And think about it a second. All the time children are hurt or dying, such as drowning in a pool, or getting hit by a car etc. If
they had guardian angels, they must have been sleeping or something,
and of course it works similarly with adults getting hurt or killed.

Of course the word "angel" is in the Bible, but the word attached to
it, "guardian" is not. Somewhere in the past someone stuck on that
word to "angel".

You mean like the JW stuck rCLarCY in front of the word God? John 1:1 in the
JW versions of their bible.

Most ALL Bibles stick in words for clarity, your Bible included. Let
me know what translation you are using, and I guarantee I will find
some.

But Mommy, JohnnyrCOs mom lets him steal.....

There is your reasoning. Total lack of respect for the word of God. :(

rCLTake heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.rCY (Mat 18:10)

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 2: 13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Matthew 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth
in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,

Here is the proof that angels are assigned to man. One personal example that
of Jesus the Messiah, the other in regards to all children.

Yes, God sends angels to help His servants on occasion. That IS NOT
the same as having a personal guardian angel.

Note rCLTHErCY angel of the Lord. Note: rCLTHEIRrCY angels always has access to the Heavenly Father. This same personal acclamation is also referred to in many other instances.

Yet here you are a mere trivial being deciding for God what is real truth and what is not. Who art thou man that you should direct the Lord thy God!

Other than the children's Scripture, none of them refers to an angel
assigned just for them. I have discussed the children Scripture on my previous posting on; do we all have a guardian angel
? One point brought out was if they are supposed to personally guard
children and us from harm, they must be sleeping on the job.

More from the mind of mere mortal man. How can you which are non-spiritual determine spiritual things?

Born Again people have the Holy Spirit who is in constant contact with the Heavenly Father on our behalf.

Are you sure it is a person? Can you POUR OUT a person? (see Acts
2:17.18)

It speaks directly to him pouring out His Spirit, what makes you think that The Holy Spirit is a person?Where in the Bible is the Holy Spirit called a person? How did Jesus in plain sight of many people receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit after he came out of the water baptism for repentance?

How did all the prophets and kings of Israel receive the Holy Spirit in their days?

Yes, it is personified, just like wisdom has children. That doesn't
make wisdom a person. (Luke 7:35)

Neither do either of your excuses above that denies knowledge of what is and what isnrCOt.

Psalm 91:11, Tis a shame that the NWT deprived you of these scriptures, or were you blinded by the evil one?

The NWT is superior to all other translations. Here is just ONE
example: (compare to other translations)

For example, notice the translation of verb forms. In the NT, the
Greek verb tenses express not only the TIME of an action or state, but
also the KIND of action, whether momentary, starting out, continuing, repetitious, or completed. Attention to such coloring of the Greek
verb forms leads to a precise translation with the full force of the
action described.

For instance, the verb form at Mt 7:7 is of the 'continuing' type, not
just a one time thing. But these other translations only show it to be
a one time thing:

-- King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 7:7, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"

You are extremely late to the party. Everyone I know, knows that it is speaking of more than one occurrence. It was the grammar of old English and their understanding of the usage of words written in the KJV that presents a challenge to the people of today. Those that study the word of God, in
concert with the leading of the Holy Spirit, know that already. The understanding is also made clear in the total contextual teachings of all of the scriptures.

However the NWT has rendered the verb form as it was written, and thus intended to be read and understood. Also many other translations agree
with the NWT:

--New World Translation (NWT)

Matthew 7:7, "Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on
seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to
YOU."

"Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will
find; keep on knocking [reverently] and [the door] will be opened to
you." (AMP--Amplified Bible)

"Just ask and it will be given to you; seek after it and you will
find. Continue to knock and the door will be opened for you. "
(VOICE--The Voice)
(source: JW literature + my research)

The continual asking, and seeking, and knocking, is a main part of the thought from that verse because of the verb form used there in the
original. And so should be evident there as well in the translation.

And so you prefer to seek the JW Dogma for your rCLtruthrCY instead of almighty God.

If you know not God, then how is he going to hear your prayers, especially if you have no faith or confidence in His Word?

As to the subject of Guardian Angels, which you totally forgot about, which
my reply to you addressed in a limited fashion, I wish to add this.

I was watched over and kept from harm via an angel of the Lord, who was keeping watch over me even though I was not walking with God at that time. I was riding my Ducati about 65 mph on a freeway in LA and the lane on both sides of me were doing only 25 MPH due to typical boring traffic. When a lady in the lane to the left of me suddenly pulled into my lane I had no choice
but to hit her. I blacked out at the moment of impact, and was thrown bike
and all violently into the right two outside lanes, the first one the guy hit is brakes hard, and I skinned past his headlights and headed straight to the drivers door in the outside lane. He wasnrCOt going to stop to let me by him even though he saw ne directly headed his way. At the last moment he did. And I got by him into the shoulder on the side of the freeway. There was a lot more that happened in the ending this any of which could have killed me as well. The left side of my bike was missing parts, dented, sheared off, etc. Yet I was not injured other than my ankle on the opposite side of the impact and that pain totally disappears a 1/2 hour later.

Bottom line? I realized then that it had to be my guardian angel keeping
watch over me as well as the prayers of my mom for me that saved my life.

There were also other things in my life which would have killed me had things taken their normal outcomes. So much so that a few of my rCLfriendsrCY said that I could fall into a bucket of dog doo and come out smelling like a rose.

Later, when I came to Jesus, I thank him very often for having saved me, my life, etc. Saving me from a certain future in hell had I continued on that path. I knew at the times of these events that it could only have been the hand of God that kept my alive, by his mercy and grace, along with the prayer of others for me to come to Jesus. Of that I have NO DOUBT!.

My experience of Coming to Jesus is no less real than the reality of the physical, and I can state for a fact that God is a reality in my life, and it is my duty to obey him in all things, and admit and correct things with his help when I err.

To God be the glory for the things he has done!

Sincerely James
"Jesus will end war"

You still have not said which war and when..


--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.bible

========================================
Fri, 15 Aug 2025 15:39:49 -0400
<oggu9kdsvk4ukll8tv7jrll7jdbaekssd9@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
========================================

Most ALL Bibles stick in words for clarity, your Bible included. Let
me know what translation you are using, and I guarantee I will find
some.

You stupid, would-be deceiver.

In faithful translations, the additions could be omitted, and the
doctrine would remain the same. By contrast, the WatchtowerrCOs New World Translation adds words where clarity is not needed and always in a way
that changes the meaning to match their doctrine. For example:

John 1:1 rCo rCLthe Word was a godrCY rCo inserting rCLarCY where the Greek does not
support it, to deny ChristrCOs deity.

Luke 23:43 rCo rCLTruly I tell you today, you will be with me in ParadiserCY rCo
moving the comma and inserting rCLtodayrCY as part of the telling rather
than the being with Christ, to deny the conscious existence of the thief
with Christ after death.

Colossians 1:16rCo17 rCo inserting rCLotherrCY multiple times (rCLby means of him
all other things were createdrCY), where rCLotherrCY does not exist in the Greek, to make Christ part of creation rather than the Creator.

The pattern exposes bias rCo Faithful translations sometimes add words for clarity, sometimes not, and always transparently. The NWT adds words selectively and consistently to uphold Watchtower doctrine. ThatrCOs not translation; itrCOs distortion. If they were truly being consistent in rCLsmoothingrCY the text, sometimes their additions would cut against their own doctrine. But the pattern proves their intent is not clarity but
doctrinal corruption.

In short:

Normal translations add words for grammar and readability without
altering meaning.

The NWT adds words unnecessarily, always to twist the meaning in a
doctrinally convenient way.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

To automatically receive daily Bible teaching updates with colorful
images and website formatting, subscribe to my feed in a client like Thunderbird:

https://www.christrose.news/feeds/posts/default
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2