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On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:12:54 -0500, Christ Rose
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Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:41:31 -0400
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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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Further, God the Father is a spirit (John 4:24). As such, He is not
subject to the physics on earth. Demons are also spirit beings (Matthew
8:16). They are not subject to earthly physics. Does that mean God and
demons are not literal beings, simply because they don't operate by
earthly physics and fire? How VAIN to imply!

I never implied that. They are not flesh and blood beings. But are
real persons. (except the HS)

The lake of fire was

"prepared" for spirit beings such as the devil and his angels (Matthew
25:41). It will be a literal fire which is suited for the torment of
spirit beings.

I think you need to see a doctor.

A spirit body is totally different than a physical body . A spirit
body can walk through walls is invisible to human sight and is nothing
like a physical body.

It is true that spirit beings overcome the laws of physics. Remember
the Hebrews that were tossed in the book of Daniel tossed in the fire,
and an Angel in there saved them that's breaking the laws of physics.

And that shows that angels are not affected by fire and flames literal
fire and flames. I am trying to show you Bible truths .

You can't be ignorant of the fact that you have been trying to dismiss
the fire as being "not literal" (AND therefore symbolic,

Right. And IF God made it as a literal fire, (which most churches
declare) demons would not be hurt by it. Also, death and hell are
tossed in it. Can't you see that it is symbolic. Or are you trying to
force the Bible to think your way? And that verse even tells you WHAT
IT IS A SYMBOL OF: THE SECOND DEATH. (and that is DEATH, not a LIFE
of torture)

You are a smart and knowledgeable person. I don't understand why you
can't see that. (that it's symbolic of the "second death". Check it
out again:

-- King James
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.

AND therefore
not real fire, AND therefore not tormenting those who are said to be >tormented by it), simply because it doesn't operate by earth physics.

Can death and hell be tormented? If not, then why toss them into a
literal fire?

You feign as if it has to be earthly and physical fire before it can be >"real" and "literal". That is a STUPID, self-evident lie on your part,
not an unwitting oversight.

You still don't get what a lie is. If the person believes it to be
true it is not a lie. It can be false information but it is not a lie
.

Operating by earth physics isn't what makes something or someone
"literal". God is a literal being yet a spirit being who is not affected
by earthly fire. Demons are literal spirit beings who are not affected
by earthly fire. The souls of men who die and go to Gehenna are literal >spirit beings, not made of earthly material or affected by earthly fire. >Obviously God isn't going to prepare earth fire for spirit beings.

When does God make a special fire for Death and hell?

Therefore, the "fire" which God "prepared" for the spirit beings who
will occupy the lake of fire will in fact literally torment literal
spirit beings. That it isn't earth-physics fire doesn't mean it's not >literal fire. It will have the same tormenting affect on spirit beings
as does earth fire does on physical flesh. You can't be that stupid, as
to be innocently and unwittingly in error.

If a "soul" sins and is thrown into a fire, it dies. (Ezek 18:4) That
is because one (of several) definitions of a Bible soul, is the whole
physical and mental person. (Gen 2:7)

Sincerely James
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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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You can't be ignorant of the fact that you have been trying to dismiss
the fire as being "not literal" (AND therefore symbolic,

Right. And IF God made it as a literal fire, (which most churches
declare) demons would not be hurt by it.

You repeat the SAME error. Your assumption is "literal" fire =
earth-physics fire as we understand it. That's NOT the meaning of
"literal". If your error were actually the case, then demons would not
be "literal" beings. God would not be a "literal" being, etc. "Literal"
does not equal "earth-physics and materials".


God "prepared" the fire for the angels. It will be LITERAL fire which
has the same tormenting affect on angels and spirit beings as earth fire
does to earthly bodies.
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Mon, 28 Jul 2025 19:41:34 -0400
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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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AND therefore
not real fire, AND therefore not tormenting those who are said to be
tormented by it), simply because it doesn't operate by earth physics.

Can death and hell be tormented? If not, then why toss them into a
literal fire?

You simply repeat the SAME ERROR over and over and over, as if repeating
it enough will somehow accomplish through brainwashing what your
argument fails to do. The problem is the text doesn't say death and hell
will be "tormented", now does it? It does not. YOU are trying to set up
a FALSE standard for "literal" which isn't even indicated by the
passage. It says death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire,
not that it will be tormented. Thus you fabricate a STUPID, false
standard for determining "literal".
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Sat, 02 Aug 2025 23:07:33 -0400
<b5it8kp35q6pb04ol2bludd4k415agivlt@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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You feign as if it has to be earthly and physical fire before it can be
"real" and "literal". That is a STUPID, self-evident lie on your part,
not an unwitting oversight.

You still don't get what a lie is. If the person believes it to be
true it is not a lie. It can be false information but it is not a lie

Then you actually believe it has to be an earth-physics fire to be
"literal" fire? According to you, God, angels, and the souls of men are
not "literal" beings, because they are spirit beings which are not made
of earth-physics elements?

No, "Literal" does NOT equal "only things which are made out of the
material, earth-physics elements". It says the fire was "prepared" for
the devil and his angels (spirit beings). It will be a LITERAL,
spiritual fire that is suitable for tormenting SPIRIT BEINGS. I don't
believe you're that oblivious to reality, that it is just some "honest oversight".
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Sat, 02 Aug 2025 23:07:33 -0400
<b5it8kp35q6pb04ol2bludd4k415agivlt@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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Operating by earth physics isn't what makes something or someone
"literal". God is a literal being yet a spirit being who is not affected
by earthly fire. Demons are literal spirit beings who are not affected
by earthly fire. The souls of men who die and go to Gehenna are literal
spirit beings, not made of earthly material or affected by earthly fire.
Obviously God isn't going to prepare earth fire for spirit beings.

You have no response to that.

rCo God IS a literal, spirit being. The angels ARE literal, spirit
beings. The souls of men ARE literal spirit beings. NONE of
them are made out of earth-physics elements, or affected by
them. The idea that something isn't "literal" unless it is made
from physical earth elements, is therefore a refuted falsehood.

rCo The fire was "prepared" for angels (spirit beings). It will be
a LITERAL fire that is suitable for the literal torment of
LITERAL spirit beings, not earth-physics fire suited for the
torment of physical beings.

Thus, "literal" does NOT mean "things which are made out of physical elements". Until you are willing to admit that without trying to dodge
or distract, it shows you're not simply innocently incorrect in your
beliefs.

When does God make a special fire for Death and hell?

idem. See above. You keep repeating the same answered and refuted
points, after their behind has been handed to you in a bag. If you won't
admit that, then you're not just innocently incorrect, but determined to
find ways to deviate from the truth:

rCo The fire was not prepared for "Death and hell". It was made for
the angels (spirit beings). To ask if fire was prepared for it
is therefore an irrelevant diversion from what the text
actually says will happen. You're trying to disprove something
which the text never says to begin with. That has no bearing on
the stated fact that the spirits will experience conscious
torment day and night forever and ever.

rCo It says this is the "second death". You can't experience a
second death if you cease to exist when your soul is separated
from your body. This shows the first death was not annihilation
or cessation of existence. Therefore, death means separation,
not cessation. The first death is separation from your body.
The second death is separation from God in the lake of fire.

rCo The lake of fire will be the only place where people are
separated from God. When the souls are cast in there to
experience death (separation from God in torment), then death
itself will be thrown into and confined to the lake of fire.
There will be no other place in existence where people are
being separated from God in torment.

rCo Gehenna is the abode where the dead were formerly held. If it
says God cast it into the lake of fire, then He cast it into
the lake of fire.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:00:22 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Jul 30, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote >(Message-ID:<ar9k8klbv50f1si2tb82pqc5qnfu31vlui@4ax.com>):

I have already told you 1000 times, JW's accept Jesus' ransom
sacrifice . You keep saying we don't. Then let's make it plain once
and for all:

JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE

Now is there any doubt? Sorry, but if you continue to say it, that is
unbecoming of an alleged Christian.

Only God the Father can accept the sacrifice, and none of you are God.

No kidding.

Do JWAs now accept blood baths?

I wouldn't think so.

And the washing of blood?

I don't know what you mean. If I Cut myself, yes, I will wash the
blood off . Is that what you mean?

Sincerely James
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On Aug 4, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<lu529ktqrp80m0cur8gte5uenhd5umhn73@4ax.com>):

On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:00:22 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Jul 30, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<ar9k8klbv50f1si2tb82pqc5qnfu31vlui@4ax.com>):

I have already told you 1000 times, JW's accept Jesus' ransom
sacrifice . You keep saying we don't. Then let's make it plain once
and for all:

JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE
JW'S ACCEPT JESUS' RANSOM SACRIFICE

Now is there any doubt? Sorry, but if you continue to say it, that is unbecoming of an alleged Christian.

Only God the Father can accept the sacrifice, and none of you are God.

No kidding.

Do JWrCOs now accept blood baths?

I wouldn't think so.

And the washing of blood?

I don't know what you mean. If I Cut myself, yes, I will wash the
blood off . Is that what you mean?

rCLAnd from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved
us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,rCY (Rev 1:5)

There is more like this, and this is found also in the OT

Sincerely James

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On Jul 30, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<k2uk8k1j5cjo9q22io0s7kr4q4bbrvgrfl@4ax.com>):

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:27:22 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Jul 28, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<hpcf8kh1r1m2267vttqv80em6rcn5s9gqj@4ax.com>):

Your REAL God is not a monster.

That is correct, he died

God never died, He always lived and will continue to do so:

-- New King James
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
You are God.

-- New King James
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God
who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Notice God is IMMORTAL. Unlike Jesus who died for 3 days, Immortal
Almighty God can't die.

Jesus created this world and all that is within it, later he set aside his Glory to be born as man, yet still counted himself equal with God, was given permission to die as a man, and when buried descended into the lower parts of Hell to face the adversary as proof of the righteousness of God the Father. Was resurrected, and later left to return to heaven. Still God, but he returned to His fullness of Glory.
That Glory he revealed unto the disciples before he left. Just look as the transformation of Himself

rCLAnd after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.rCY (Mat 17:1-3) Read the rest of this there, when the disciples fell on their faces.

Jesus desired to share His Glory with them, strongly as well as to be
restored to his former Glory.

Jesus, the same yesterday today and forever. That is immortality.

to save mankind to pay the price for the sins of
men, To be our Savior, to redeem us from eternal death, and the judgment that is required from all who die in their sins.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I laydown
my life for the sheep.

That's right, But as shown above, God never laid down his life. He is immortal .

You have already been shown from scriptures what the truth of the matter is, on more than one occasion regarding this very topic. Yet you choose to continue in believing a lie, worse yet, you persist in telling the lie as if you never heard it.

That is unholy.

Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that
I might take it again.

Jhn 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

Jhn 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Yes Jesus laid down his life. Jesus died. But God is immortal.

Again, you have been shown from scripture that what you declare and believe
is a lie. Straight from the heart of Satan. You were shown from scripture who Jesus is and was using the OT scripture translated to the Greek language of the NT which verified the Fact that Jesus is God.

What you said is Unholy.

Judgment

Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

1Pe 4:17 For the time iscome that judgment must begin at the house of God: and ifit first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

rCLAnd I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.rCY
(Rev 20:11)

rCLAnd whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the
lake of fire.rCY (Rev 20:15)

Yes, they're all good scriptures.

For those that believe. To you they are worthless, for you do not accept them as truth. You do not believe them as written and you make up excuses for your workarounds of logic so as to excuse your lies, etc. The sum total of which
is evil and deceitful.

Even those you say you love in your family you intentionally deceive, with
the intentions of sending them to the same hell in which you will dwell
unless you repent of it all before your body dies. What kind of a father and husband does that?

I am not giving out these Bible truths just for you, but for anyone
who wants to listen.

Your rCLtruthsrCY, the deceitful lies you believe to be truth (for you
claimed to say that whatever you believe is your present day truths), all those I stand against in the Name of Jesus, that your lies, deceit, and half-truths will be brought to naught and rendered so before the lives of those who read them. From Here to eternity. I also stand against the lying demons who torment you, in the name of Jesus, that the light of the world
will be manifested unto you. And will likewise be evident to those you instruct in the JW Org to the end that Jesus as LORD will be magnified and
the lies of that cult be made manifest creating mass confusion within your groups.

Be loosed, in Jesus name.

Sincerely James

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