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Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan" <Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free,
and donAt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan" <Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free,
and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

No. You fuck right off.
Move along, little prison bitch.
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Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
<VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote:
========================================

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in
news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free,
and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............



"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

You reap what you sow and you're a slave of the one you serve. "Freedom"
from authority results in anarchy, chaos, and slavery to moral
debauchery, not real "freedom". Likewise, if you serve the desires of
your old nature, you are a slave to that nature.

Freedom, therefore, does not mean the absence of authority but
deliverance from sinrCOs dominion into the righteous rule of Christ.
Scripture teaches that every person serves one of two mastersrCosin or obedience. Paul wrote, rCLDo you not know that if you present yourselves
to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey,
either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?rCY (Romans 6:16, ESV). No one lives without a master. The question is not whether we will serve but whom we will serve.

Before salvation, man obeys the desires of his fallen nature and reaps corruption and death (Romans 6:20rCo21; Galatians 6:8). Sin promises
pleasure but pays wages of death (Romans 6:23). ChristrCOs redeeming work frees us from sinrCOs tyranny, not so we may act lawlessly, but so we may serve God in righteousness. rCLHaving been set free from sin, [you] have become slaves of righteousnessrCY (Romans 6:18, ESV). True freedom is the power to do what pleases God, no longer forced by sin to disobey Him.
This leads to holiness and eternal life (Romans 6:22).

ChristrCOs freedom differs from political or social liberty. It is
spiritual freedomrCothe deliverance of the heart from rebellion against
God. Thus, when Scripture commands believers to submit to governing authorities, it does not contradict our freedom in Christ. rCLLet every
person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no
authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by
GodrCY (Romans 13:1, ESV). Submission to civil authority is an act of obedience to GodrCOs higher authority. Peter echoed this harmony: rCLLive as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but
living as servants of GodrCY (1 Peter 2:16, ESV).

Therefore, the one who obeys sin reaps its fruitrCodeath. The one who
obeys righteousness reaps sanctification and life. Freedom in Christ is
not license but liberation to serve a new Master who leads to eternal
life through His grace (Romans 6:22rCo23).
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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Christer wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan" <Desi@GodSquad.org>
wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

No. You fuck right off.

Move along, little prison bitch.

The reason I asked is because it's not at all a contradiction and so
has a perfectly sound Christian explanation and I wanted to see if
there were any christers here who knew it. (Ya see, I know the Bible
better than almost any christer I've ever met.)

And so you proved you're just an idiot who has no clue what the answer
is (even though it's perfectly simple if you know the Bible).

So why don't you invest some time in Bible study and perhaps after 10
or 20 years, you might get to know the Bible almost as well as I do. :-)

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Christer wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan" <Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in
news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free,
and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............



"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

No. You fuck right off.

Move along, little prison bitch.

that is what christ told his girlfriend, which is why he died alone.

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Christ Rose wrote:

========================================
Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
<VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote: ========================================

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in
news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

You reap what you sow and you're a slave of the one you serve.
"Freedom" from authority results in anarchy, chaos, and slavery to
moral debauchery, not real "freedom". Likewise, if you serve the
desires of your old nature, you are a slave to that nature.

Freedom, therefore, does not mean the absence of authority but
deliverance from sinrCOs dominion into the righteous rule of Christ. Scripture teaches that every person serves one of two mastersrCosin or obedience. Paul wrote, rCLDo you not know that if you present
yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one
whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience,
which leads to righteousness?rCY (Romans 6:16, ESV). No one lives
without a master. The question is not whether we will serve but whom
we will serve.

Before salvation, man obeys the desires of his fallen nature and
reaps corruption and death (Romans 6:20rCo21; Galatians 6:8). Sin
promises pleasure but pays wages of death (Romans 6:23). ChristrCOs
redeeming work frees us from sinrCOs tyranny, not so we may act
lawlessly, but so we may serve God in righteousness. rCLHaving been set
free from sin, [you] have become slaves of righteousnessrCY (Romans
6:18, ESV). True freedom is the power to do what pleases God, no
longer forced by sin to disobey Him. This leads to holiness and
eternal life (Romans 6:22).

ChristrCOs freedom differs from political or social liberty. It is
spiritual freedomrCothe deliverance of the heart from rebellion against
God. Thus, when Scripture commands believers to submit to governing authorities, it does not contradict our freedom in Christ. rCLLet every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no
authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted
by GodrCY (Romans 13:1, ESV). Submission to civil authority is an act
of obedience to GodrCOs higher authority. Peter echoed this harmony:
rCLLive as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up
for evil, but living as servants of GodrCY (1 Peter 2:16, ESV).

Therefore, the one who obeys sin reaps its fruitrCodeath. The one who
obeys righteousness reaps sanctification and life. Freedom in Christ
is not license but liberation to serve a new Master who leads to
eternal life through His grace (Romans 6:22rCo23).

I appreciate your response, CR, thank you. And it is a decent response, although the one I had in mind is much simpler and more straightforward.
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jojo wrote:

Christer wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan" <Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote

in

news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

No. You fuck right off.

Move along, little prison bitch.

that is what christ told his girlfriend, which is why he died alone.

Who knows. He may have knocked off a piece of pussy now and then, but
the gospels authors wouldn't have mentioned it. And the writers of the
gospel of John (but not the Synoptics) dropped a few hints that Jesus
might have been gay.

He was a very religious fellow, though, and so almost certainly
wouldn't have done anything contrary to his understanding of the Bible.
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On Oct 14, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>):

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free,
and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

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On Oct 14, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>):

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free,
and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

Explain what?
Both Gal 5:1 and Romans 13:1-7 Have to do with Believers in Jesus Christ and how they are to live.
Gal 5 speaks to the spiritual side of life Romans 13 to the believers in
Jesus and how they are to respond to the rulers of this earth, and the consequences if they do not.

In both cases it is dependent on the walk of the Believer, if they are
totally given over to God. Those that are dbl minded will have issues in both cases.


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Robert wrote:

On Oct 14, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>):

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org>
wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

Explain what?
Both Gal 5:1 and Romans 13:1-7 Have to do with Believers in Jesus
Christ and how they are to live.
Gal 5 speaks to the spiritual side of life

Too vague. Come on, Robert, I know you can do better than that.

Romans 13 to the believers
in Jesus and how they are to respond to the rulers of this earth, and
the consequences if they do not.

In both cases it is dependent on the walk of the Believer, if they
are totally given over to God. Those that are dbl minded will have
issues in both cases.

Mitchell thinks he sees a contradiction. This doesn't adequately
address it.
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On Oct 15, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <zh%HQ.403660$Fe_d.68339@fx09.iad>):

Robert wrote:

On Oct 14, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>):

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org>
wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

Explain what?
Both Gal 5:1 and Romans 13:1-7 Have to do with Believers in Jesus
Christ and how they are to live.
Gal 5 speaks to the spiritual side of life

Too vague. Come on, Robert, I know you can do better than that.

Perhaps. But a little sound knowledge is more than antiGod people can handle. And none of it benefits them unless they realize their heart is empty, and then they will ask questions.

Romans 13 to the believers
in Jesus and how they are to respond to the rulers of this earth, and
the consequences if they do not.

In both cases it is dependent on the walk of the Believer, if they
are totally given over to God. Those that are dbl minded will have
issues in both cases.

Mitchell thinks he sees a contradiction. This doesn't adequately
address it.

He always does. And he is not ready for answers.
Besides if there is something I am missing, this is all I saw of this thread, I addressed that in my first question.
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Henderson wrote:

jojo wrote:

Christer wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:39:17 GMT
"Henderson" <henderson@e.mail> wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan" <Desi@GodSquad.org> wrote

in

news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............



"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

No. You fuck right off.

Move along, little prison bitch.

that is what christ told his girlfriend, which is why he died alone.

Who knows. He may have knocked off a piece of pussy now and then, but
the gospels authors wouldn't have mentioned it. And the writers of the
gospel of John (but not the Synoptics) dropped a few hints that Jesus
might have been gay.

He was a very religious fellow, though, and so almost certainly
wouldn't have done anything contrary to his understanding of the Bible.

jesus was gay? i think he was trans because he was all into
transitioning.

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Robert wrote:

On Oct 15, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <zh%HQ.403660$Fe_d.68339@fx09.iad>):

Robert wrote:

On Oct 14, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>):

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org>
wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay
free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

Explain what?
Both Gal 5:1 and Romans 13:1-7 Have to do with Believers in Jesus
Christ and how they are to live.
Gal 5 speaks to the spiritual side of life

Too vague. Come on, Robert, I know you can do better than that.

Perhaps. But a little sound knowledge is more than antiGod people can
handle. And none of it benefits them unless they realize their heart
is empty, and then they will ask questions.

Romans 13 to the believers
in Jesus and how they are to respond to the rulers of this earth,
and the consequences if they do not.

In both cases it is dependent on the walk of the Believer, if they
are totally given over to God. Those that are dbl minded will have
issues in both cases.

Mitchell thinks he sees a contradiction. This doesn't adequately
address it.

He always does. And he is not ready for answers.
Besides if there is something I am missing, this is all I saw of this
thread, I addressed that in my first question.

Good to see you're still here, Robert. You're an important contributor
to these groups.
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On Oct 16, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VD9IQ.543779$2R62.419429@fx13.iad>):

Robert wrote:

On Oct 15, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <zh%HQ.403660$Fe_d.68339@fx09.iad>):

Robert wrote:

On Oct 14, 2025, Henderson wrote
(Message-ID: <VzFHQ.199858$RB68.37910@fx39.iad>):

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Brother Desmond (Desi) Edward Coughlan"<Desi@GodSquad.org>
wrote in news:maksek5ottjaj0ovnketf8klpkihhs6093@4ax.com:

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and donrCOt get tied up again in slavery to the law.

vs............

"Obey the government , for God is the one
who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power.
So those who refuse to obey the laws of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment
will follow."
Romans 13:1-4

Any christers here care to explain?

Explain what?
Both Gal 5:1 and Romans 13:1-7 Have to do with Believers in Jesus Christ and how they are to live.
Gal 5 speaks to the spiritual side of life

Too vague. Come on, Robert, I know you can do better than that.

Perhaps. But a little sound knowledge is more than antiGod people can handle. And none of it benefits them unless they realize their heart
is empty, and then they will ask questions.

Romans 13 to the believers
in Jesus and how they are to respond to the rulers of this earth,
and the consequences if they do not.

In both cases it is dependent on the walk of the Believer, if they
are totally given over to God. Those that are dbl minded will have issues in both cases.

Mitchell thinks he sees a contradiction. This doesn't adequately
address it.

He always does. And he is not ready for answers.
Besides if there is something I am missing, this is all I saw of this thread, I addressed that in my first question.

Good to see you're still here, Robert. You're an important contributor
to these groups.

Thank you for your comments, What is important to me is that we are coming to a time, a final time, for this age of man, and it is important that people re-evaluate our lives, and decide where we want to reside after our lives
end. Who we want to honor in our lives, ourselves, God, or Satan.
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