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On Oct 13, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<1q3qektpce7rdfvsbqr6os1bul25im6049@4ax.com>):

On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 10:16:41 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 12, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<b3bnek1727qp27qgh4utf78m1v0vd5cc81@4ax.com>):

On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:46:59 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

Jhn 14:12-14

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I
do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I
go
unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father
may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

This promise does not belong strictly to the Full Gospel types, neither the
the Charismatic believers, but to all Born Again Believers who have been
baptized by Jesus according to the prophecy of John the Baptist.

If you care to understand the fullness of this scripture continue on from
V15
- 21

In all these things those that deny the workings of the Heavenly Father through the Believer miss out on.

Why would anyone want to shun the workings of God in their lives and those
around them is beyond me, and to teach such things is to project the words
of
the evil one and deny from others the blessings of God through the death
and
resurrection.

Re: Is Yahweh/Jesus still seated at the right hand of His Father?

Yes, but sitting at God's right side signifies being subordanent. And
the Scriptures concurr. While Jesus was in Heaven with God:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Sincerely James

Corrected your top posting.

Sitting at the right hand of God the Father is a place of the greatest Honor
that the Heavenly Father can bestow. He sets Jesus before all of mankind. To
worship as Himself.

Also, it is a subordinate position. (John 14:28)

That scripture does not support that at all. Which has been explained to you countless times.

Jesus said, Jhn 8:54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing:
it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

That proves that Jesus is not God, since God honors Himself. For
example see Ex 20:1-11.

The Lord that is spoken there is the creator. Jesus is the creator.

rCLUnto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:rCY (Eph 3:8-9)

A couple things of note there, Paul spoke of himself as being the least of
all Saints, yet the works that he did was perhaps the greatest and most influential of all, even to this day. Paul, like Jesus Humbled himself before his Heavenly Father, as did Jesus. Humility does not mean that a being is a subordinate of another, but that they chose to honor the others over themselves in any manner via humility.

Plus as it is written, above, Jesus was the creator..... God. Thus you agree with that statement as you stated many times that you believe ALL the scripture. Therefore Jesus IS God. Per your beliefs, yet we all understand that you deny Jesus is God. You, not Scripture.

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I.

Thus Jesus can't be God. But if he was what Jesus is saying is 'For I
am greater than myself'.

He did not say that, you did. Jesus said also not to direct questions and prayers to himself, but to the Heavenly Father, and that He would be the one who did what we asked of the Heavenly Father so that the Heavenly Father
would be glorified.

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I hope you come to understand these words of Jesus, and not call him a liar. He IS THE Son of God.

The scriptures do not concur with you. rCLWhile Jesus was in Heaven with God:rCY The scriptures all concur in that Jesus is far, far greater than you, that He is the head of every man. 1Cor 11:3 Which includes all men of any
religion whether it be false or true. That he was so before the worlds began.

Yes, and that Scripture also says that God is greater than Jesus.

Of course the scripture says that, Jesus said it. You claim to despise the idea of a Trinity, yet you keep returning to that concept as if the Godhead
is one being. Not one in Unity, but One Person. Using that as justification for defaming Jesus, the one you claim to server and follow. Why do you seek
to belittle the one you claim to serve and follow? Is it because you follow the god of this earth as did the Pharisees of old?

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow
to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

The last verse speaks of all those that are in hell shall bow as well.

The Bible hell is the grave. And when people go there they "go down in silence".

Hades is NOT the Grave.

G3419(Strong)

+++++++++|+|-e++++ mne|ameion mnay-mirCO-on

From G3420; aremembrance, that is, cenotaph (place of interment): - grave, sepulchre, tomb.

There, you were reminded of what a Grave is, from the koine greek language.

Remember it well, do not be known as a persistent liar. And One who parrots the watchtower mag as is it were scripture, or the God of Scripture.

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every
tongue shall swear [allegiance]. [Rom 14:11; Php 2:10-11; Heb 6:13]

If you seek the truth, read Isaiah 45:18-25 For it will destroy all your false doctrine, for that is what is written of in Romans 14:11.

It will destroy nothing.

It already did for it was written far, far in advance of the watchtower magazine.

Jesus, the Anointed One came to do the will of His Heavenly Father, to speak
His Words, to do His Works, to bring Honor and Glory unto his Father. He spoke that freely if full humility and with Honor

That you would seek to demean The Lord Jesus Christ, as if he were not to be
honored above all men, which BTW his Heavenly Father declared him to be, is without respect, and is of the evil one.

You mistaken as usual. When I quoted 1 Cor 11:3, I just placed Jesus
above humans. Here it is again:

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Did you see that I didn't demean Jesus in any way. Just repeated what
the Bible already said.

So did your father satan as he stood beside Jesus and quoted scripture to
him.
Which Jesus answered and said, it is written, thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God.
He twisted the scriptures as if he thought that God, who became human to save humanity would forget who he is. You, just like your father satan, attempt to defame Jesus at every opportunity, to belittle him, to cause others to do so likewise. Yet that same Jesus is the Judge, on the day of Judgment over all
on the last day. Every word you spoke in your life will be repeated to you in a moment, and by your own words you will be convicted. Only the Blood of
Jesus Christ can spare you from your sins.

So, therefore, bend your knees to Jesus before you die,

Since 1 Cor 11:3 and others, show that Jesus is NOT God, JW's don't
worship Jesus.

Yet you call yourselves rCLchristiansrCY claim that you are a church denomination, that you believe ALL the bible. A wolf in sheeprCOs clothing
you all are. You claim there are multiple paths to salvation but cannot prove it, you claim the world remains when script clearly points out that it and
the universe surrounding it will all be burnt up. You also get upset when it is pointed out that you preach a different Gospel then what Paul speaks, and He declares in the strongest of words, Let that one who preaches another gospel be accursed. And so strongly that it was repeated twice as a warning
to those who do so.

Be it strongly manifested in your life so as to bring you on your knees, to confess that Jesus IS LOED, before you pass away, lest you have to say that, and you will after death just before you will be tossed into the Lake of Fire with Satan and His angels, for eternal torment.

This is not some game to play, it is life and death, a blessing or a curse. God says, chose life.

lest you be found
later dwelling within the pit of hell awaiting the Judgment seat of Jesus theChrist on the day or the white throne of Judgment

All of us will ben

You all might be, but I walk in Forgiveness now, and for eternity. While this body of mine will get worn out and pass away, I will continue on in eternal life. My everlasting life, as are all the believers who accepted Jesus Christ as Lord, their eternal life begins at the moment they are Born Again. Born of the Spirit of God. His Door is open while you all have breath.

and then tossed without
respect into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for everlasting torment.

You still don't get it do you? I have gone over that SYMBOLIC "lake of
fire" many times. Here is the key point again: Death is tossed into
it. Can death be tortured?

Yes, death and hell can be tortured, I have shown you that countless times. From Scripture, they are two of the Archangels who followed Lucifer in his rebellion.

Rev 6:8And I looked,and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with
death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Who is the them, The pale horseman whose rider was Death, and Hell rode with him, along side or behind him, they are what is thrown into the Lake.

Isa 28:15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isa 28:18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your
agreement withhell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Ever wonder how someone can inhabit death?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

You have been shown these truths of scripture, yet deny them,

Believe me, there will be much torment, sorrow, and a grinding of the teeth,
as all those men are tormented by the thought of what could have been had they bent the knee before death.

There is no set way to pray in the NT. We are just to be respectful.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Read the scripture through v15

We are to pray believing. Matt 21:22

Jhn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Sincerely James

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On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:44:54 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 13, 2025, James wrote >(Message-ID:<1q3qektpce7rdfvsbqr6os1bul25im6049@4ax.com>):

On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 10:16:41 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 12, 2025, James wrote
(Message-ID:<b3bnek1727qp27qgh4utf78m1v0vd5cc81@4ax.com>):

On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:46:59 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

Jhn 14:12-14

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works >> > > > that I
do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I
go
unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father
may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

This promise does not belong strictly to the Full Gospel types, neither
the
the Charismatic believers, but to all Born Again Believers who have been
baptized by Jesus according to the prophecy of John the Baptist.

If you care to understand the fullness of this scripture continue on from
V15
- 21

In all these things those that deny the workings of the Heavenly Father
through the Believer miss out on.

Why would anyone want to shun the workings of God in their lives and those
around them is beyond me, and to teach such things is to project the words
of
the evil one and deny from others the blessings of God through the death
and
resurrection.

Re: Is Yahweh/Jesus still seated at the right hand of His Father?

Yes, but sitting at God's right side signifies being subordanent. And
the Scriptures concurr. While Jesus was in Heaven with God:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Sincerely James

Corrected your top posting.

Sitting at the right hand of God the Father is a place of the greatest Honor
that the Heavenly Father can bestow. He sets Jesus before all of mankind. To
worship as Himself.

Also, it is a subordinate position. (John 14:28)

That scripture does not support that at all. Which has been explained to you >countless times.

John 14:28 sure does:

-- King James
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus said, Jhn 8:54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing:
it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

That proves that Jesus is not God, since God honors Himself. For
example see Ex 20:1-11.

The Lord that is spoken there is the creator. Jesus is the creator.

Jesus assisted God in creation. But God is the Creator:

-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That is a Bible truth that you can't dispute.

oUnto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, >that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; >And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the >beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus >Christ:o (Eph 3:8-9)

That is just what I said. God created all things "through" Jesus. (Col
1:16; NKJV)

A couple things of note there, Paul spoke of himself as being the least of >all Saints, yet the works that he did was perhaps the greatest and most >influential of all, even to this day. Paul, like Jesus Humbled himself before >his Heavenly Father, as did Jesus.

Just think about what you are saying. If Jesus is God, God humbled
Himself before Himself.

The churches must really have a good hold on you. It is their illogic
that you need to consider.

Humility does not mean that a being is a
subordinate of another, but that they chose to honor the others over >themselves in any manner via humility.

So God (Jesus) honors God over God. And pigs can fly.

Plus as it is written, above, Jesus was the creator..... God. Thus you agree >with that statement as you stated many times that you believe ALL the >scripture. Therefore Jesus IS God. Per your beliefs, yet we all understand >that you deny Jesus is God. You, not Scripture.

Sorry, but I go by REAL Scripture. Jesus plainly tells the world that
God is more powerful than he is. (John 14:28) To say it in reverse is
also true. Jesus is less powerful than God. THEREFORE JESUS CANNOT BE
GOD!!!!!!

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto
you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I.

Thus Jesus can't be God. But if he was what Jesus is saying is 'For I
am greater than myself'.

He did not say that, you did.

When you make the equation Jesus = God, it is exactly what he is
saying.

Jesus said also not to direct questions and
prayers to himself, but to the Heavenly Father, and that He would be the one >who did what we asked of the Heavenly Father so that the Heavenly Father >would be glorified.

Yes, and Jesus' God is God:

- King James
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God,
why hast thou forsaken me?

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works >that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because >I go unto my Father.

And who has done works greater than Jesus?

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the >Father may be glorified in the Son.

Again, we see the relationship: FATHER AND SON, not God and God.

Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Actually God will do it, THROUGH Jesus:

- Revised Standard
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge;
and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will
of him who sent me.

I hope you come to understand these words of Jesus, and not call him a liar. >He IS THE Son of God.

I have never called Jesus a liar, unless someone twists the Scriptures
to make him so. Based on all the Scriptures Jesus never lied.

The scriptures do not concur with you. oWhile Jesus was in Heaven with
God:o The scriptures all concur in that Jesus is far, far greater than
you, that He is the head of every man. 1Cor 11:3 Which includes all men of any
religion whether it be false or true. That he was so before the worlds began.

Yes, and that Scripture also says that God is greater than Jesus.

Of course the scripture says that, Jesus said it. You claim to despise the >idea of a Trinity, yet you keep returning to that concept as if the Godhead >is one being. Not one in Unity, but One Person. Using that as justification >for defaming Jesus, the one you claim to server and follow. Why do you seek >to belittle the one you claim to serve and follow? Is it because you follow >the god of this earth as did the Pharisees of old?

I call it like it is:

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

There is nothing here about Jesus being humble before God, only you
say that without Scriptural proof. It is not a complicated Scripture.
IF Jesus was God, then Paul is saying the head of Christ is Christ.
Unless Paul was completely wiped out with wine, he would never say
that. Even then, I would doubt it.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow
to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

The last verse speaks of all those that are in hell shall bow as well.

The Bible hell is the grave. And when people go there they "go down in
silence".

Hades is NOT the Grave.

G3419(Strong)

????????? mne?meion mnay-miA-on

From G3420; aremembrance, that is, cenotaph (place of interment): - grave, sepulchre, tomb.

There, you were reminded of what a Grave is, from the koine greek language.

Remember it well, do not be known as a persistent liar. And One who parrots >the watchtower mag as is it were scripture, or the God of Scripture.

Your church does have a tight grip on you. Break away!

Yes, hades (hell) is the grave. Notice what these translations said
"hades" is:

-- New Living Translation
Revelation 20:14 And death and the grave were thrown into the lake of
fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire.

"Then Death and the Grave were thrown into the fiery lake. This, the
fiery lake, is the second death." (CEB)

"Death and the Grave were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of
Fire is the second death." (EHV)

"Then death and the grave were themselves hurled into the lake of
fire, which is the second death. If anyoneAs name was not found
written in the book of life he was thrown into the lake of fire."
(Phillips)

(Revelation 20:14) And death and the Grave* were hurled into the lake
of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. (NWT)

*"Or oHades,o that is, the common grave of mankind."

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in
righteousness and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every
tongue shall swear [allegiance]. [Rom 14:11; Php 2:10-11; Heb 6:13]

If you seek the truth, read Isaiah 45:18-25 For it will destroy all your >> > false doctrine, for that is what is written of in Romans 14:11.

It will destroy nothing.

It already did for it was written far, far in advance of the watchtower >magazine.

?? Yes, I agree with all Scripture as do all JW's. The Watchtower
magazine is a Bible-aid magazine. Nothing more nothing less.

Jesus, the Anointed One came to do the will of His Heavenly Father, to speak
His Words, to do His Works, to bring Honor and Glory unto his Father. He >> > spoke that freely if full humility and with Honor

That you would seek to demean The Lord Jesus Christ, as if he were not to be
honored above all men, which BTW his Heavenly Father declared him to be, is
without respect, and is of the evil one.

You mistaken as usual. When I quoted 1 Cor 11:3, I just placed Jesus
above humans. Here it is again:

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Did you see that I didn't demean Jesus in any way. Just repeated what
the Bible already said.

So did your father satan as he stood beside Jesus and quoted scripture to >him.
Which Jesus answered and said, it is written, thou shalt not tempt the Lord >they God.
He twisted the scriptures as if he thought that God, who became human to save >humanity would forget who he is. You, just like your father satan, attempt to >defame Jesus at every opportunity, to belittle him, to cause others to do so >likewise. Yet that same Jesus is the Judge, on the day of Judgment over all >on the last day. Every word you spoke in your life will be repeated to you in >a moment, and by your own words you will be convicted. Only the Blood of >Jesus Christ can spare you from your sins.

Boy, if you don't change from those Satanic churches' teachings, you
are going to be so shocked when you find out Jehovah's Witnesses was
the true religion in the last days.

They are presently fulfilling Mt 24:14 and Isa 2:2-4, etc. Unlike the
churches which you have to go to them to get spiritual food (rotten),
God sends the JW's to your house to get spiritual food. So God comes
to you. And that's the way it should be.

So, therefore, bend your knees to Jesus before you die,

Since 1 Cor 11:3 and others, show that Jesus is NOT God, JW's don't
worship Jesus.

Yet you call yourselves ochristianso claim that you are a church >denomination,

Not "church". See above>


Negatrons. We are a religious organization that goes solely by the
Bible. No church hand-me-down teachings, no Creeds, etc, just the pure
Bible.

And we have been upgrading ever since the organization was formed,
according to Pr 4:18:

- King James
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that
shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Notice the JW's "light" did not start out bright. but it became "more
and more" bright as time went on till today. Those that are
spiritually sick can't see that, but those hungering for Bible truths,
can.

that you believe ALL the bible. A wolf in sheepAs clothing
you all are.

Actually we are sheep in wolf's clothing (domesticated wolf), as we
boldly declare the arrival of God's kingdom. (Mt 24:14)

You claim there are multiple paths to salvation

Where do you get that stuff from? As per the Scriptures, there is only
one narrow path to salvation. (Mt 7:13,14)

but cannot prove
it,

We prove it with Scripture, like Jesus cannot be God:

1) 1 Cor 11:3
2) Luke 18:19
3) Ex 33:20
4) 1 John 4:12
5) Col 1:15
etc, etc.

you claim the world remains when script clearly points out that it

and

the universe surrounding it will all be burnt up.

Another false church teaching. Why would God destroy the universe
since humans have not even made a dent in it. For the most part, we
have only contaminated our Solar System. And there are zillions of
other ones out there.

As for the earth, it will NEVER be destroyed:

Ps 104:5,

"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed
for ever." (KJV)

Also Ec 1:4,

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever."
(NIV)

Ps 78:69,

" He built his shrine like the heavens, like the earth which he
founded forever. " (NAB)

And Ps 119:90,

oThrough all generations your truth endures; fixed to stand firm like
the earth.o (NAB)

"Peter wrote that othe heavens and the earth that are now are stored
up for fire.o From the context and in the light of other scriptures,
it is evident that this is not a literal fire but signifies
everlasting destruction. As the Flood of NoahAs day did not destroy
the literal heavens and earth, but only the ungodly persons, so also
the revelation of Jesus Christ with his powerful angels in a flaming
fire will result in permanent destruction only for the ungodly and the
wicked system of things of which they are a part.u2Pe 3:5-7, 10-13;
2Th 1:6-10; compare Isa 66:15, 16, 22,a24." (Insight I, p.834)

You also get upset when it
is pointed out that you preach a different Gospel then what >Paul speaks,

Negatrons. Notice what Mt 24:14 says:

-- New King James
Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all
the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Now look at the cover of any Watchtower magazine, it says:

"ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"

So it is said in print, and by word of mouth. We are right with the
Scripture.

and
He declares in the strongest of words, Let that one who preaches another >gospel be accursed. And so strongly that it was repeated twice as a warning >to those who do so.

So you need to heed the warning.

Be it strongly manifested in your life so as to bring you on your knees, to >confess that Jesus IS LOED, before you pass away, lest you have to say that,

JW's honor the Lord Jesus, AND the Lord God.

and you will after death just before you will be tossed into the Lake of Fire >with Satan and His angels, for eternal torment.

Please explain how "death" and "hell" receive eternal torment in the
Lake of Fire? Can you? Or not?

-- King James
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.

This is not some game to play, it is life and death, a blessing or a curse. >God says, chose life.

That is what all JW's do.

lest you be found
later dwelling within the pit of hell awaiting the Judgment seat of Jesus >> > theChrist on the day or the white throne of Judgment

All of us will ben

You all might be, but I walk in Forgiveness now, and for eternity. While this >body of mine will get worn out and pass away, I will continue on in eternal >life.

If you are privileged, you will receive a new body in the
resurrection.

My everlasting life, as are all the believers who accepted Jesus
Christ

as Lord,

All JW's do. But the true Scriptures do not say he is God.

their eternal life begins at the moment they are Born Again.

Those born again go to Heaven with Jesus to RULE over the earth. They
will number 144,000.

Born of
the Spirit of God. His Door is open while you all have breath.

and then tossed without
respect into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for everlasting torment.

You still don't get it do you? I have gone over that SYMBOLIC "lake of
fire" many times. Here is the key point again: Death is tossed into
it. Can death be tortured?

Yes, death and hell can be tortured, I have shown you that countless times. >From Scripture, they are two of the Archangels who followed Lucifer in his >rebellion.

There is only ONE archangel mentioned in the Bible; Michael. The word "archangel" means:

ARCHANGEL Definition & Meaning
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com c dictionary c archa...
1. a chief angel

You can't have a bunch of chiefs running around. That would be chaos.

Rev 6:8And I looked,and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was >Death, and Hell followed with him.

You are in the most symbolic book in the Bible. A dragon and wild
beasts with multiple eyes and heads etc, you take literally?

You really believe that horses will have death and hell riding on them literally? Wouldn't your rider hell, burn that horse up? And death
sitting on a horse would kill it.

You are missing the whole idea of these Scriptures.

And power was given unto them over the
fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with >death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Who is the them, The pale horseman whose rider was Death, and Hell rode with >him, along side or behind him, they are what is thrown into the Lake.

This is what God is saying without all that symbolism. Graves (hell)
are to be forever done away with. And death itself is to be forever
ended.

Isa 28:15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with >hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it >shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood >have we hid ourselves:

Isa 28:18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your >agreement withhell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass >through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell >delivered up the dead which were in them:

Were your two horse riders Death and Hell, PREGNANT? They had DEAD
people in them, and these were aborted. It must have been quite a
gross scene!

and they were judged every man
according to their works.

Ever wonder how someone can inhabit death?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the >second death.

THERE YOU HAVE IT. The Lake of Fire = the 2nd death. There is no fire associated with that 2nd death.

You have been shown these truths of scripture, yet deny them,

You know I deny no true Scriptures. Bogus ones like John 1:1 and Acts
12:4 in the KJV, is a different story.

Believe me, there will be much torment, sorrow, and a grinding of the teeth,
as all those men are tormented by the thought of what could have been had >> > they bent the knee before death.

There is no set way to pray in the NT. We are just to be respectful.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, >Hallowed be thy name. Read the scripture through v15

We are to pray believing. Matt 21:22

Jhn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a >worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Correct. I believe all true Scriptures.

Sincerely James
"Peace on EarthuHow Will It Come?
Find Out". See jw.org (10/14/2025)

Sincerely James

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On Oct 15, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<9rrtekdsolkrkp3q73ija2e5aiu8if91v8@4ax.com>):

On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:44:54 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 13, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<1q3qektpce7rdfvsbqr6os1bul25im6049@4ax.com>):

On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 10:16:41 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 12, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<b3bnek1727qp27qgh4utf78m1v0vd5cc81@4ax.com>):

On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:46:59 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

Jhn 14:12-14

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I
do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I
go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

This promise does not belong strictly to the Full Gospel types, neither
the Charismatic believers, but to all Born Again Believers who have been
baptized by Jesus according to the prophecy of John the Baptist.

If you care to understand the fullness of this scripture continue on
from V15 - 21

In all these things those that deny the workings of the Heavenly Father
through the Believer miss out on.

Why would anyone want to shun the workings of God in their lives and
those around them is beyond me, and to teach such things is to project the
words of
the evil one and deny from others the blessings of God through the death
and resurrection.

Re: Is Yahweh/Jesus still seated at the right hand of His Father?

Yes, but sitting at God's right side signifies being subordanent. And the Scriptures concurr. While Jesus was in Heaven with God:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Sincerely James

Corrected your top posting.

Sitting at the right hand of God the Father is a place of the greatest Honor
that the Heavenly Father can bestow. He sets Jesus before all of mankind.
To worship as Himself.

Also, it is a subordinate position. (John 14:28)

That scripture does not support that at all. Which has been explained to you
countless times.

John 14:28 sure does:

-- King James
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

That does NOT make him unequal, just as marriage does not make the spouses unequal.

Jesus said, Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

That proves that Jesus is not God, since God honors Himself. For
example see Ex 20:1-11.

The Lord that is spoken there is the creator. Jesus is the creator.

Jesus assisted God in creation. But God is the Creator:

-- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That is a Bible truth that you can't dispute.

Never did, never want to. Plus in whose image was man created?

rCLAnd God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.rCY (Gen 1:26)

I notice that you did not care to mention the name of God there, something that you claim makes the JW the most correct. It is rCyElohiym

Also, a side not here regarding that name. It blows you out of the water as well as many others who believe rCLGodrCY is singular(one). In Hebrew Strong #H430

God (Hebrew: rCOElohiym (H430), Gods, Gen 1:1)

Want to know what the singular form of God is? It is H433 Thus one or one of.

You, I remind you again, state that you believe ALL OF the scriptures. Yet this very first scripture you as well as many others deny. Most out of Ignorance of the Word of God, as well as many who have been misled by men and religions, as well as false theology when it comes the the creator God.

Second side note here, this is not for James the JW, but for all who call themselves Christian believers.

While I have yet to wrap my head fully around this understanding, yet I know it to be true. When I firmly and totally gave my heart to the Lord, he God, led me into this understanding. It took me many months of hearing His leading to fully believe these scriptures, as I was under the understanding that to think and understand these things was sacrilegious, to the point of possible condemnation to Hell. But after many months of searching the scriptures, and seeing the in-depth meanings of the words from various sources depending in the main upon the Holy Spirit to lead me as Jesus promised to us, I finally had to admit that what the scripture said contained the truth all along, ever since it was written. And now, even now, as I read and study the scriptures I see the evidential proofs of understanding coming forth out of scripture confirming the truth that the Lord led me to. These truths are both in the NT as well as the Old.It is as Paul stated, we see through the glass darkly.

For any doubters, seek God, seek the Word of God, but seek the word with the Holy Spirit and not just with the reasoning of your fleshly mind or mindset. For there is a way that seems right to men, but the ends there of is Death.

rCLUnto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the
beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus
Christ:rCY (Eph 3:8-9)

That is just what I said. God created all things "through" Jesus. (Col
1:16; NKJV)

No you did not, rCLThroughrCY never meant that God the Father did these things, nor does it mean that Jesus was just a pipeline conduit, it means
that by the Word of God these things came to be. You are tying the semantic game, deceitfully. If not then tell the world that in this case that by and through mean the same things, and thus Jesus is God.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

by him were all things created] The person we now know as Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, existed as an equal member of the Godhead from all eternity (Isa 7:14; Isa 9:6-7; Mic 5:2; Jhn 1:1-2; Heb 1:8; Rev 1:8-11). Before He became GodrCOs Son (sonship refers to humanity, not to deity, note, Act 13:33). He was a spirit being and carried out the divine plan of
creation. He was the direct agent of God the Father who created all things by Him In the same manner as the son of Trump builds large buildings which they both agree upon.

A couple things of note there, Paul spoke of himself as being the least of all Saints, yet the works that he did was perhaps the greatest and most influential of all, even to this day. Paul, like Jesus Humbled himself before his Heavenly Father, as did Jesus.

Just think about what you are saying. If Jesus is God, God humbled
Himself before Himself.

See, that is your trinitarian mindset, which you claim you do not believe.

The churches must really have a good hold on you. It is their illogic
that you need to consider.

That is a false understanding of yours, your mindset. I follow no church, I follow Jesus. Seems you cannot tell the truth about anything.

Humility does not mean that a being is a
subordinate of another, but that they chose to honor the others over themselves in any manner via humility.

So God (Jesus) honors God over God. And pigs can fly.

There is your rCLchurch mindsetrCY speaking. I have shown you the truth previously, and many times. Each time you deny it, and the scriptures given
to you as I have done in this post.

Plus as it is written, above, Jesus was the creator..... God. Thus you agree
with that statement as you stated many times that you believe ALL the scripture. Therefore Jesus IS God. Per your beliefs, yet we all understand that you deny Jesus is God. You, not Scripture.

Sorry, but I go by REAL Scripture. Jesus plainly tells the world that
God is more powerful than he is. (John 14:28) To say it in reverse is
also true. Jesus is less powerful than God. THEREFORE JESUS CANNOT BE GOD!!!!!!

rCLAnd Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.rCY (Mat 28:18)

The verse you mentioned does not state that at all. There is no conflict of any type between Jesus and His Heavenly Father they are one in agreement in all things. If you truly want to know then why not give your heart to Jesus and believe in and upon Him and be Born Again. Let His light shine in you,
and then study the world and allow Him to teach you in all things. Why follow the ways of sinful men with the lusts thereof?

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the
Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Thus Jesus can't be God. But if he was what Jesus is saying is 'For I
am greater than myself'.

He did not say that, you did.

When you make the equation Jesus = God, it is exactly what he is
saying.

-Nes, but I have a feeling you did not mean to say what you did.

Jesus said also not to direct questions and
prayers to himself, but to the Heavenly Father, and that He would be the one
who did what we asked of the Heavenly Father so that the Heavenly Father would be glorified.

Yes, and Jesus' God is God:

- King James
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God,
why hast thou forsaken me?

Of course. Jesus always defers to His Father.

rCLJesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.rCY (Jhn 20:17)

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the
glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Remember that Jesus set that aside to be born as Man, and to die as Man?

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

And who has done works greater than Jesus?

What is your definition of Greater?

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Again, we see the relationship: FATHER AND SON, not God and God.

Mrk 10:7For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave
to his wife;

Mrk 10:8And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain,
but one flesh.

Mrk 10:9What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

I am one with Christ as Christ is with His Father. I am also a son of God the Father, and He IS my Heavenly Father.

Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Actually God will do it, THROUGH Jesus:

So you chose not to believe Scripture, again? Jesus spoke clearly, rCLI will do itrCY
Again you speak with deceit, you parrot the words of the watchtower, lacking knowledge, wisdom.

- Revised Standard
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge;
and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will
of him who sent me.

That was Jesus, the man, but now His Glory as been restored to him that he
set aside to be born as man.

I hope you come to understand these words of Jesus, and not call him a liar.
He IS THE Son of God.

I have never called Jesus a liar, unless someone twists the Scriptures
to make him so. Based on all the Scriptures Jesus never lied.

You just called him a liar when he clearly stated, rCLI will do itrCY, You also deny that he has been given all power both in the heavens as well as
here on earth. You swap translations when you quote scripture to ones that
use words that you can twist the definitions of. You do not stick to the NWT that you claim is the only correct one, and the reason for that is because even that one does not support your doctrines and dogmas.

The scriptures do not concur with you. rCLWhile Jesus was in Heaven with
God:rCY The scriptures all concur in that Jesus is far, far greater than
you, that He is the head of every man. 1Cor 11:3 Which includes all men of any religion whether it be false or true. That he was so before the worlds
began.

Yes, and that Scripture also says that God is greater than Jesus.

Of course the scripture says that, Jesus said it. You claim to despise the idea of a Trinity, yet you keep returning to that concept as if the Godhead is one being. Not one in Unity, but One Person. Using that as justification for defaming Jesus, the one you claim to server and follow. Why do you seek to belittle the one you claim to serve and follow? Is it because you follow the god of this earth as did the Pharisees of old?

I call it like it is:

So did those pharisees who belittled Jesus as did the god of this world.

So did Lucifer who said: "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. "

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

There is nothing here about Jesus being humble before God,

There is noting in that verse that says the name of Jesus either. Yet it is understood in light of the context of all the scriptures, and especially
noted throughout ALL the Gospels. So who are you trying to fool? I am not ignorant of your devices/

only you
say that without Scriptural proof. It is not a complicated Scripture.
IF Jesus was God, then Paul is saying the head of Christ is Christ.
Unless Paul was completely wiped out with wine, he would never say
that. Even then, I would doubt it.

Again, I refer you to these scriptural truths, that you choose to ignore, deny, and chose not to understand in spite of your claiming that you believerCLall the REAL ScripturesrCY as if there is some secret copy
somewhere that no one is privy too that is perfectly translated. This is another treacherous statement of yours cloaked with deceit.

Here, so that others can see what you choose to deny, and have for all your life as a JW. These scriptures speak to the redeemed of God. Those who
believe in/upon the LORD Jesus Christ. It is not for the heathen, the false christian, nor the wolves who all are NOT part of the family of God.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal
with God:

Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Plus remember that Jesus who is seated at the right hand of God, which is a seat of Honor, Jesus did not attempt to unseat His Heavenly Father from his throne. It was the Heavenly Father that seated him there, and gave Jesus the name above ALL others.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall
bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

The last verse speaks of all those that are in hell shall bow as well.

The Bible hell is the grave. And when people go there they "go down in silence".

Hades is NOT the Grave.

G3419(Strong)

????????? mne?meion mnay-mirCO-on

From G3420; aremembrance, that is, cenotaph (place of interment): - grave,
sepulchre, tomb.

There, you were reminded of what a Grave is, from the koine greek language.

Remember it well, do not be known as a persistent liar. And One who parrots the watchtower mag as is it were scripture, or the God of Scripture.

Your church does have a tight grip on you. Break away!

What? You are now afraid of the scripture and now call it my church? Are you now going to deny the truth of scripture that used this word? And its definition?

Yes, hades (hell) is the grave. Notice what these translations said
"hades" is:

It is the graveyard of dead souls. Not their bodies.

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every
tongue shall swear [allegiance]. [Rom 14:11; Php 2:10-11; Heb 6:13]

If you seek the truth, read Isaiah 45:18-25 For it will destroy all your
false doctrine, for that is what is written of in Romans 14:11.

It will destroy nothing.

It already did for it was written far, far in advance of the watchtower magazine.

?? Yes, I agree with all Scripture as do all JW's. The Watchtower
magazine is a Bible-aid magazine. Nothing more nothing less.

It is your dogma, your training.propaganda mag. The mag agrees not with the word of God or you would know and believe that Jesus is God. The Word of God, that Jesus is the Door, The Way, and the Truth, that only through Him can one enter into heaven. And everyone whose name is written in the lambs book of life will enter there, not limited to 144K Jewish young virgin men.

Jesus, the Anointed One came to do the will of His Heavenly Father, to speak
His Words, to do His Works, to bring Honor and Glory unto his Father. He
spoke that freely if full humility and with Honor

That you would seek to demean The Lord Jesus Christ, as if he were not to
be
honored above all men, which BTW his Heavenly Father declared him to be,
is without respect, and is of the evil one.

You mistaken as usual. When I quoted 1 Cor 11:3, I just placed Jesus above humans. Here it is again:

- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Did you see that I didn't demean Jesus in any way. Just repeated what
the Bible already said.

So did your father satan as he stood beside Jesus and quoted scripture to him.
Which Jesus answered and said, it is written, thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God.
He twisted the scriptures as if he thought that God, who became human to save humanity would forget who he is. You, just like your father satan, attempt
to defame Jesus at every opportunity, to belittle him, to cause others to do so
likewise. Yet that same Jesus is the Judge, on the day of Judgment over all on the last day. Every word you spoke in your life will be repeated to you in a moment, and by your own words you will be convicted. Only the Blood of Jesus Christ can spare you from your sins.

Boy, if you don't change from those Satanic churches' teachings, you
are going to be so shocked when you find out Jehovah's Witnesses was
the true religion in the last days.

They are presently fulfilling Mt 24:14 and Isa 2:2-4, etc. Unlike the churches which you have to go to them to get spiritual food (rotten),
God sends the JW's to your house to get spiritual food. So God comes
to you. And that's the way it should be.

They flee from my door, and usually avoid it like the plague. Too many times
I showed them the truth of scripture, and those noobs who accompanied them want to know more of what I have, and they immediately run away dragging them with them lest they find out the full truth of scripture.

Especially when they see that after all there pain and suffering, that when they die, they are dead, forever, per the JW doctrine. As they see it as a pointless religion since only 144K get to heaven and even the NWT states that they are Jews, a young virgin men.

Nothing like going to a stadium full of JWrCOs and knowing that they are all born to die. That not one of them will be one of the 144K. What a hopeless religion. And all that is per your JW doctrine.

So, therefore, bend your knees to Jesus before you die,

Since 1 Cor 11:3 and others, show that Jesus is NOT God, JW's don't worship Jesus.

Yet you call yourselves rCLchristiansrCY claim that you are a church denomination,

Not "church". See above>

Negatrons. We are a religious organization that goes solely by the
Bible. No church hand-me-down teachings, no Creeds, etc, just the pure
Bible.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovah-witness-beliefs/
IOWrCOs creeds.

And we have been upgrading ever since the organization was formed,
according to Pr 4:18:

The word of God never changes, but yours does.

- King James
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that
shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Notice the JW's "light" did not start out bright. but it became "more
and more" bright as time went on till today. Those that are
spiritually sick can't see that, but those hungering for Bible truths,
can.

LOL, one of your leaders who moved out of this neighborhood, driving a Big Uhaul truck flipped on its side right in from of my home. He crawled up out the drivers side door cursing a blue streak. Who did you say his god was?

that you believe ALL the bible. A wolf in sheeprCOs clothing
you all are.

Actually we are sheep in wolf's clothing (domesticated wolf), as we
boldly declare the arrival of God's kingdom. (Mt 24:14)

So where is your kingdom? It is no where to be found, the halls are bare, nothing fit for a pauper, let alone a King. You just admitted what your Halloween costume is.

You claim there are multiple paths to salvation

Where do you get that stuff from? As per the Scriptures, there is only
one narrow path to salvation. (Mt 7:13,14)

Then why did you argue with me about it and post that there is more than one way? Yet you couldnrCOt even state the one way? And on multiple occasions.

There is one door, one truth and one way. rCLJesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.rCY (Jhn 14:6)

How could anyone but God say that? And it be true.

but cannot prove
it,

We prove it with Scripture, like Jesus cannot be God:

You were shown the truth of the matter, as in what I have included above.

1) 1 Cor 11:3
2) Luke 18:19
3) Ex 33:20
4) 1 John 4:12
5) Col 1:15
etc, etc.

I have shown you and your kind the folly of your deceit. Even in your quoting those scriptures above.

you claim the world remains when script clearly points out that it

and the universe surrounding it will all be burnt up.

rCLAnd I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.rCY (Rev 21:1)

rCLBut the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.rCY (2Pe 3:10)

rCLFor, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall
not be remembered, nor come into mind.rCY (Isa 65:17)

Another false church teaching. Why would God destroy the universe
since humans have not even made a dent in it. For the most part, we
have only contaminated our Solar System. And there are zillions of
other ones out there.

As for the earth, it will NEVER be destroyed:

The scripture above disagrees with you in everything you have stated in regards to this. The earth is polluted, heavily, by radiation, disease, sin, plastics, micro plastics even found in water, all water from the highest elevations to the lowest/ Even the earth cries out to God for deliverance.

Ps 104:5,

"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed
for ever." (KJV)

Also Ec 1:4,

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever."
(NIV)

Ps 78:69,

" He built his shrine like the heavens, like the earth which he
founded forever. " (NAB)

And Ps 119:90,

rCLThrough all generations your truth endures; fixed to stand firm like
the earth.rCL (NAB)

"Peter wrote that rCLthe heavens and the earth that are now are stored
up for fire.rCY From the context and in the light of other scriptures,
it is evident that this is not a literal fire but signifies
everlasting destruction. As the Flood of NoahrCOs day did not destroy
the literal heavens and earth, but only the ungodly persons, so also
the revelation of Jesus Christ with his powerful angels in a flaming
fire will result in permanent destruction only for the ungodly and the
wicked system of things of which they are a part.rCo2Pe 3:5-7, 10-13;
2Th 1:6-10; compare Isa 66:15, 16, 22,24." (Insight I, p.834)

All these scriptures are not understood by you or the cult religion you follow, it as been thoroughly explained to you from scripture. Using the original language and the contextual imderstandings of it.

There can be no new if the old remains.

You also get upset when it
is pointed out that you preach a different Gospel then what>Paul speaks,

Negatrons. Notice what Mt 24:14 says:

-- New King James
Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all
the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Now look at the cover of any Watchtower magazine, it says:

"ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"

Your creed said it was here since 1914

So it is said in print, and by word of mouth. We are right with the Scripture.

2Ti 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Pe 1:11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Why then do you follow Jesus, and His Kingdom?

Are you know proclaiming that Jesus is Jehovah? Therefore God? Which you have been arguing against for decades/

and
He declares in the strongest of words, Let that one who preaches another gospel be accursed. And so strongly that it was repeated twice as a warning to those who do so.

So you need to heed the warning.

I do, with great care.
Sad to see that you openly dismiss all the scripture that you claim to believe.

Be it strongly manifested in your life so as to bring you on your knees, to confess that Jesus IS LORD, before you pass away, lest you have to say that,

JW's honor the Lord Jesus, AND the Lord God.

You do no, you belittle him.

and you will after death just before you will be tossed into the Lake of Fire with Satan and His angels, for eternal torment.

Please explain how "death" and "hell" receive eternal torment in the
Lake of Fire? Can you? Or not?

More cut and past questions? I just got though, again, explaining that to
you.

-- King James
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.

This is not some game to play, it is life and death, a blessing or a curse. God says, chose life.

That is what all JW's do.

Not you.

lest you be found
later dwelling within the pit of hell awaiting the Judgment seat of Jesus
theChrist on the day or the white throne of Judgment

All of us will ben

You all might be, but I walk in Forgiveness now, and for eternity. While this
body of mine will get worn out and pass away, I will continue on in eternal life.

If you are privileged, you will receive a new body in the
resurrection.

My everlasting life, as are all the believers who accepted Jesus
Christ as Lord,

All JW's do. But the true Scriptures do not say he is God.

their eternal life begins at the moment they are Born Again.

Those born again go to Heaven with Jesus to RULE over the earth. They
will number 144,000.

Born of
the Spirit of God. His Door is open while you all have breath.

and then tossed without
respect into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for everlasting torment.

You still don't get it do you? I have gone over that SYMBOLIC "lake of fire" many times. Here is the key point again: Death is tossed into
it. Can death be tortured?

Yes, death and hell can be tortured, I have shown you that countless times. From Scripture, they are two of the Archangels who followed Lucifer in his rebellion.

There is only ONE archangel mentioned in the Bible; Michael. The word "archangel" means:

ARCHANGEL Definition & Meaning
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com rC| dictionary rC| archa...
1. a chief angel

You can't have a bunch of chiefs running around. That would be chaos.

That all shows your ignorance of the Bible

Rev 6:8And I looked,and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

You are in the most symbolic book in the Bible. A dragon and wild
beasts with multiple eyes and heads etc, you take literally?

I know what they mean, and understand.

You really believe that horses will have death and hell riding on them literally? Wouldn't your rider hell, burn that horse up? And death
sitting on a horse would kill it.

You are missing the whole idea of these Scriptures.

You would have no way to determine that.

And power was given unto them over the
fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Who is the them, The pale horseman whose rider was Death, and Hell rode with
him, along side or behind him, they are what is thrown into the Lake.

This is what God is saying without all that symbolism. Graves (hell)
are to be forever done away with. And death itself is to be forever
ended.

Isa 28:15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isa 28:18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement withhell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:

Were your two horse riders Death and Hell, PREGNANT? They had DEAD
people in them, and these were aborted. It must have been quite a
gross scene!

You will see it one day, and then you will know.

and they were judged every man
according to their works.

Ever wonder how someone can inhabit death?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

THERE YOU HAVE IT. The Lake of Fire = the 2nd death. There is no fire associated with that 2nd death.

Lake of Fire and you say there is no fire?

You have been shown these truths of scripture, yet deny them,

You know I deny no true Scriptures. Bogus ones like John 1:1 and Acts
12:4 in the KJV, is a different story.

You also deny Gen 1:1 Plus

Believe me, there will be much torment, sorrow, and a grinding of the teeth,
as all those men are tormented by the thought of what could have been had
they bent the knee before death.

There is no set way to pray in the NT. We are just to be respectful.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Read the scripture through v15

We are to pray believing. Matt 21:22

Jhn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Correct. I believe all true Scriptures.

A qualifier, eh, and you have partially stated some of them that you chose
not to believe. Where is the full list? Whose kingdom are you following, Yehovah's or YeshuarCOs Last week you declared it to be the Kingdom of King Jesus, this week you say it is JehovahrCOs WhatrCOs up with that?

Sincerely James
"Peace on EarthrCoHow Will It Come?
Find Out". See jw.org (10/14/2025)

Sincerely James

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