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On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:19:46 -0500, Christ Rose wrote:

Judges 11: From Rejection to Redemption

Introduction

Judges 11 records JephthahrCOs rise from rejection to leadership, his
victory over the Ammonites, and the tragic vow that brought grief to his house. This passage shows GodrCOs power to use the unlikely, but also
warns about careless words and misguided attempts to approach God. It
teaches that God alone sets the terms of worship, that He cannot be manipulated by vows, and that His provision in Christ is the only way of redemption. For believers today, the chapter reminds us to trust GodrCOs promises, obey His Word, and rest in the finished work of Christ.

OK, but where is your supporting scripture? At least the numbers of the
verses supporting this.

Doctrine

This chapter teaches that God alone determines how He is to be
worshiped. Israel was warned not to imitate pagan nations, for their
worship included offering sons and daughters as sacrificesrCosomething God called an abomination (Deuteronomy 12:31). Worship must be according to
His revealed will, not human imagination. JephthahrCOs rejection by his brothers but later acceptance as deliverer also points forward to
Christ.

Judges 11:1:
Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son
of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah. you chose to inject Deut 12:31,
why? Did not Jephthah sacrifice his only child, his daughter?

And just where in that chapter was the Worship defined that is according
to his revealed will?

The mother of Jesus was not a whore.


Snipped what was not in this chapter.

JephthahrCOs sacrifice is best understood not as the literal death of his daughter but as her dedication to lifelong service to the Lord. Several details point to this. First, the Hebrew conjunction *waw* in Judges
11:31 can mean rCLor,rCY which allows the vow to be read: rCLwhatever comes out of the doorsrCashall be the LordrCOs, or I will offer it up for a burnt offering.rCY This makes sense of the vowrCoif an animal came out, it would
be offered as a burnt offering; if a person came out, he or she would be consecrated to the LordrCOs service.
the understanding that JephthahrCOs daughter was devoted to lifelong
service to God rather than sacrificed as a burnt offering.

31 then it shall come to pass that whosoever shall first come out of the
door of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the children of
Ammon, he shall be the Lord's: I will offer him up for a whole burnt
offering.

"he shall be the Lord's: I will offer him up for a whole burnt offering."

Where is the conjunction? There is none there.
Here is what the LITV translated the verse as. 31 then it shall be that anything which comes out from the doors of my house to meet me when I
return in peace from the sons of Amnion, it shall belong to Jehovah; and
I
will offer it instead of a burnt offering.



39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto
her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and
she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of
Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

And the last two verses read like this in the LITV

39 And it happened at the end of two months, she returned to her father.
And he did to her his vow which he had vowed. And she never knew a man.
And it is a fixed custom in Israel,
40 from days to days, the daughters of Israel go to tell again of the
daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite, four days in a year.

Which is in conformity with v31

No fancy two step side dancing needed.

So just where in here is there a reference to Doctrine, which was the
header you gave for this section? Please be specific and on topic for
this
chapter is the focus of your post. Or was the primary focus the webpage
link that was at the beginning?

Reproof

JephthahrCOs rash vow exposes the error of trying to manipulate God by
human promises. The Spirit of the Lord had already come upon him before
the battle (Judges 11:29), showing that victory was certain. Yet instead
of trusting GodrCOs promise, Jephthah tried to secure success by
bargaining with God (Judges 11:30-31). His vow revealed a lack of faith
and a misunderstanding of GodrCOs holiness, since it opened the door to an outcome God had forbidden. Scripture rebukes this kind of rash speech:
rCLBe not rash with your mouthrCalet your words be fewrCY (Ecclesiastes 5:2). It also rebukes worship offered in ways God has not commanded (Leviticus 10:1-2). JephthahrCOs vow shows the danger of careless words and distorted views of GodrCOs will.

You did yourself a great disservice to judge Gods anointed here. Rash
Vow?
Why? Because of the outcome? His daughter fully understood, did not rebel
and fully followed the will of her father, and her father fully fulfilled
his. Was it costly to both him and her? Yes, but it was done that the
best
and costliest gift was to be given to the Lord for the success. That
sacrifice was much more than the normal blood sacrifice that would have
been the norm of that time.

To justify your criticism of him you point to scripture was written far
in
the future and because of that they could not be held to what wasn't
common knowledge of his time. In regards to Lev 10:1,2 it was not
applicable.

1And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, each took his censer and put
fire
in them; and they put incense on it and brought strange fire before
Jehovah, which He had not commanded them.
2 And fire went out from before Jehovah and consumed them; and they died before Jehovah.

Are you without understanding regarding v1? In regards to incense, the
fire they used? None of what they did was in accordance of the Law
Covenant. It also had nothing to due with human sacrifice.

Correction

GodrCOs Word not only exposes error but also provides the right path. When people or things were devoted to the Lord, His law provided redemption
by valuation instead of destruction (Leviticus 27:1-8). Jephthah had an alternative, but his failure reminds us that manrCOs inventions cannot substitute for GodrCOs commands. The correction for us is to rest in GodrCOs provision rather than adding our own bargains. In the larger picture,
this directs us to Christ, who is the once-for-all sacrifice that God
has accepted (Hebrews 10:12-14). We do not come to God by rash vows or
human schemes, but by the perfect redemption that Christ accomplished at
the cross.

What has any of this to do in regards to a commentary of Judges Chptr 11
or for that matter with your subject topic?

In sounds more like someone preaching a teaching but there is no
reasoning
given for it. Again, you bring into the Old Testament commentary the
scripture from else where to support your judgment of the doings of old testament saints. Are you commenting on Chapter eleven or are you using
it
to make a point of your own without understanding or even caring about
what was written for our understanding?

Instruction

This passage instructs believers to trust GodrCOs Word fully and to guard their words carefully. Instead of bargaining with God, we are to walk by faith in His promises (2 Corinthians 5:7). We are called to be rCLslow to speakrCY (James 1:19) and to avoid swearing oaths beyond what is simple
and true (Matthew 5:34-37). Rather than offering God worship of our own making, we are to yield our lives as living sacrifices in the way He has commanded (Romans 12:1). Obedience in faith is the true expression of devotion to God.

You totally ignored this chapter, How God used the son of a whore, how
the
person the Israelite's totally condemned and tossed aside they came to
him
for help, and how it was that helped them as well as the deal he made
with
them if he did it. There was no bargaining with God since God had already
gone before him with the battles of other people before he could get to
the Ammonites. He also laid out plainly to the Ammonites why this war was
to be and their mistake in warring with them. And wait!, there is still
more? It seems that you glossed over much. So much more, in my eyes.

Encouragement and Hope

Even in the failure of His servants, God remains faithful to His people.
He gave Israel victory through Jephthah despite his flawed vow (Judges 11:32-33). This encourages believers that GodrCOs purposes are not
thwarted by human weakness. At the same time, the rejection and later acceptance of Jephthah foreshadows Christ, the One whom Israel rejected
but who will yet deliver them (Romans 11:26). Our hope rests not in our
vows or works but in ChristrCOs perfect obedience and sacrifice. Where Jephthah faltered, Christ triumphed. Where our words fail, His Word
stands sure.

Are you kidding me? You even stated above that the victory was already
given to Jephthah by the spirit of God. And just where was J's failure?
You have not established that. J was the son of a whore, Jesus was not.

Jesus made no promises to His Father for victory, Jesus was the sacrifice
for the sins of man with His own blood. J's daughter did not have to shed
her blood. I saw no faltering of J' there. In fact what follows 11 proves that. You should have taken a peek at it.

Invitation

Judges 11 shows that manrCOs attempts to bargain with God fail, but Christ has provided the only acceptable way of redemption. Our sins, like JephthahrCOs vow, bring guilt and death (Romans 6:23). But God sent His
Son to bear our sins and pay the penalty we deserved. Christ died as our substitute, taking the wrath of God in our place, and rose again in
victory (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). His sacrifice is the only offering God accepts (Hebrews 10:10). You cannot secure GodrCOs favor by promises or
vows, but you can receive salvation by calling on the name of the Lord (Romans 10:9-13). Change your mind about sin, turn to Christ, and trust
in His finished work for forgiveness and eternal life.

J went on to judge over Israel from this point until his death. He did
not
fail, he was elevated by Jehovah.

Based on this commentary of yours, which I just clicked on to see what
you
had to say and what Gods word said. I shuddered after reading it in conjunction with the chapter you specified. Here you discredited a man of
God whom God honored and led.

Is this typical for all your commentaries?



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On 10/7/2025 12:31 AM, KK wrote:

The mother of Jesus was not a whore.

That you McSinner?
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Tue, 7 Oct 2025 05:31:18 -0000 (UTC)
<10c28j5$o8oj$1@dont-email.me>
"Robert" (a.k.a "None", "Dr. Who",
"Anonymous", "HTH", "ahisrwic", "Rock", "KK") wrote: ========================================

Envy is discernible, even to the unregenerate:

rCLFor he knew that it was out of envy that they had delivered him
up.rCY (Matthew 27:18, ESV)

Envy manifests itself by contradicting Bible truth and trying to poison people's minds against those who proclaim it:

rCLBut when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with
envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things
spoken by Paul.rCY (Acts 13:45, NKJV)

rCLBut the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned
their minds against the brothers.rCY (Acts 14:2, ESV)

Envy shows evidence of people who are operating under the influence of
demonic wisdom.

rCLBut if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do
not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not
descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where
envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are
there.rCY (James 3:14rCo16, NKJV)

Daily, I proclaim the same gospel in here that Paul said leads men to
saving faith in Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Daily, I post articles
which I know to be solidly based on the truth of the Bible. "Robert"
does not offer any convincing Bible evidence that the content I'm
posting in here is inconsistent with what the Bible teaches. Instead, he simply tries to poison people's minds against by association, that
teaching which he has been unable to refute from Scripture.

When someone devotes his life (as "Robert" has done) in an effort to
poison people's minds against what I know to be sound Bible teaching, he
is operating consistently with someone who is under the compulsion of
demonic wisdom envy (James 3:14-15).

https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 15:24:08 -0500, Christ Rose wrote:

Daily, I proclaim the same gospel in here that Paul said leads men to
saving faith in Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Daily, I post articles
which I know to be solidly based on the truth of the Bible. "Robert"
does not offer any convincing Bible evidence that the content I'm
posting in here is inconsistent with what the Bible teaches. Instead, he simply tries to poison people's minds against by association, that
teaching which he has been unable to refute from Scripture.

Thank you for associating me with Robert. This means to anyone who reads
this that you are disassociating me from you.

I read your rant about envy and your words rang loudly. Anyone that cares
to read it can read your full post that I am replying to. The problem is
that for some reason what you wrote seems hollow. I do not see him
responding to your threads, I don't even see him commenting on the
subjects that you bring up. So as to envy? You should look in a mirror and
not post your reflections here.

When someone devotes his life (as "Robert" has done) in an effort to
poison people's minds against what I know to be sound Bible teaching, he
is operating consistently with someone who is under the compulsion of
demonic wisdom envy (James 3:14-15).

You are right and everyone else is wrong, yeah right.

You cannot defend what you come up with so you attack whoever you disagree with. I also posted another post which shows the error of your
understandings in regards to 'J' in chapter 12. It seems to be that you
hate 'J' as much as you do Robert the way you try to knock him down, all
the while you tried to say in chapter 11 that he is a reflection of
Christ. But in C12 you far exceeded yourself in an attempt to further
destroy his character by claiming he did things without reason and blame
him for the deaths of others. The various verses you used even refuted
that. Which I pointed out. Who knows what you will say in a reply to that post. If you even bother.

I also took the time to read your posts on C 15. What a joke, you posted
one using supposed commentaries that opposed each other, and then another
in which it seems that you had no idea of how to comment on it.

Paul teaches about contentious dissensions within the church, the downfall
of that, and also about the freedom to speak ones understanding as allow
the others to judge, all in an attitude of love and respect. Where are his teachings reflected in your life?

I forgive you of your malice towards me, but for your errors in your
writings? Seek Jesus Christ.

Scripture says to seek peace with all men. To glorify Him and not
yourself. Paul also says for us to imitate him as he imitated Christ, Paul
did so with humility. I'd say those are wise words which all should
follow.

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Wed, 8 Oct 2025 16:50:19 -0000 (UTC)
<10c64oa$1n4b0$1@dont-email.me>
"Robert" (a.k.a "None", "Dr. Who",
"Anonymous", "HTH", "ahisrwic", "Rock", "KK") wrote: ========================================

Thank you for associating me with Robert.

How stupid do you think people are that they won't realize you're the
one talking to yourself with your own sock-puppets? That you carry on conversations with yourself and pretend to support your own views shows
your intent is to deceive.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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