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Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Bible says a stauros. Translators say a cross. Which is it?

Simple. Just look up the Bible word for "cross" in a reference. For
example, take the Scripture at John 19:25:

-- King James
John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his
mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

Using Strong's Concordance for the word "cross" here, it says in the
main first definition:

"Strong's Ref. # 4716

Romanized stauros
Pronounced stow-ros'

from the base of GSN2476; a stake or post (as set upright)..."
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On Sep 30, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<tn4odk52ddj01vc5akep78cbtgb6vk8e7q@4ax.com>):

Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Jesus died on a pagan stauros.

Bible says a stauros. Translators say a cross. Which is it?

Romans called it a crucifitcion, and they were the ones who put Jesus to
death per the will of the Jews.

Simple. Just look up the Bible word for "cross" in a reference. For
example, take the Scripture at John 19:25:

-- King James
John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his
mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

Using Strong's Concordance for the word "cross" here, it says in the
main first definition:

"Strong's Ref. # 4716

Romanized stauros
Pronounced stow-ros'

from the base of GSN2476; a stake or post (as set upright)..."

Why hide part of the Strongs concordance from people?
What is says is this...

G4716(Strong)

-a-a+#-a-U++|U-e

stauros

stow-rosrCO

From the base of G2476; astake or post (as set upright), that is, (specifically) a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment); figuratively exposure to death, that is, self denial; by implication the atonement of Christ: - cross.

PS the cross beam was attached to the upright

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Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:26:16 -0400
<tn4odk52ddj01vc5akep78cbtgb6vk8e7q@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

Here comes brain-washer to repeat his same stupid, refuted arguments
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over again.

Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Quit trying to start a fight over this same stupid, refuted argument.

We know from history that Romans attached a patibulum (cross beam) to
the staurus (pole), forming a T or t shaped "cross":

1. Plautus (c. 254rCo184 BC) rCo *Miles Gloriosus* 359rCo360

"Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
*Miles Gloriosus* 359rCo360).

("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened
to the cross").

This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of
execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).

2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCrCoAD 65) rCo *De Vita Beata* 19.3

"Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
(Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)

("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
patibulum.")

Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it
was a physical beam.

3. JustinianrCOs Digest (compiled AD 533)

"Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 -o15.

("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")

This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of crucifixion.

These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional
cross structure (T or rCa). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John 21:18) assumes this form.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 22:19:39 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:26:16 -0400
<tn4odk52ddj01vc5akep78cbtgb6vk8e7q@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

Here comes brain-washer to repeat his same stupid, refuted arguments
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over again.

And a good Christian morning to you too!

Until these doctrines sink in, yes, repetition is needed.

The 1st century

Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Quit trying to start a fight over this same stupid, refuted argument.

We know from history that Romans attached a patibulum (cross beam) to
the staurus (pole), forming a T or t shaped "cross":

1. Plautus (c. 254u184 BC) u *Miles Gloriosus* 359u360

"Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
*Miles Gloriosus* 359u360).

("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened
to the cross").

This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of >execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).

2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCuAD 65) u *De Vita Beata* 19.3

"Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
(Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)

("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
patibulum.")

Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it
was a physical beam.

3. JustinianAs Digest (compiled AD 533)

"Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 o15.

("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")

This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of >crucifixion.

These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional >cross structure (T or a). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John >21:18) assumes this form.

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.
Notice:

"AI Overview
The 1st-century Greek word for "cross" is stauros (sta????), which
primarily means an upright stake or pole, rather than the two-beamed
structure commonly depicted today. While stauros is often translated
as "cross" in English Bibles, its original meaning refers to the
simple implement of execution, which could be a stake, pole, or tree,
and was not necessarily a cross-shaped object."

In other words, that is like calling a bus a car. Nothing is stopping
you from doing that, and both are motor vehicles, but a bus is not a
car. And a stauros is not a cross. God chose the word "stauros" to be
used, so that is what true Christians teach; an upright pole.

Sincerely James
"Can Peacekeeping Efforts Create a Peaceful World?
Get the Answer". See jw.org (10/09/2025)
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On Oct 9, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<b2cfek97l6t9d23ojervc9850460vrl99b@4ax.com>):

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.

Prove that it is not stauroo that was used.
--

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Thu, 09 Oct 2025 10:45:17 -0400
<b2cfek97l6t9d23ojervc9850460vrl99b@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 22:19:39 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:26:16 -0400
<tn4odk52ddj01vc5akep78cbtgb6vk8e7q@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

Here comes brain-washer to repeat his same stupid, refuted arguments
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over again.

And a good Christian morning to you too!

Until these doctrines sink in, yes, repetition is needed.

The 1st century

Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Quit trying to start a fight over this same stupid, refuted argument.

We know from history that Romans attached a patibulum (cross beam) to
the staurus (pole), forming a T or t shaped "cross":

1. Plautus (c. 254rCo184 BC) rCo *Miles Gloriosus* 359rCo360

"Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
*Miles Gloriosus* 359rCo360).

("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened
to the cross").

This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of
execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).

2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCrCoAD 65) rCo *De Vita Beata* 19.3

"Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
(Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)

("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
patibulum.")

Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it
was a physical beam.

3. JustinianrCOs Digest (compiled AD 533)

"Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 -o15.

("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")

This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of
crucifixion.

These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional
cross structure (T or rCa). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John
21:18) assumes this form.

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.
Notice:

"AI Overview
The 1st-century Greek word for "cross" is stauros (sta????), which
primarily means an upright stake or pole, rather than the two-beamed structure commonly depicted today. While stauros is often translated
as "cross" in English Bibles, its original meaning refers to the
simple implement of execution, which could be a stake, pole, or tree,
and was not necessarily a cross-shaped object."

In other words, that is like calling a bus a car. Nothing is stopping
you from doing that, and both are motor vehicles, but a bus is not a
car. And a stauros is not a cross. God chose the word "stauros" to be
used, so that is what true Christians teach; an upright pole.

The waste of time trouble-maker offers no refutation. The stauros was a
pole. But there WAS a patibulum attached to it. Thus, it was in the form
of a cross (T or t).
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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On Thu, 09 Oct 2025 09:42:32 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 9, 2025, James wrote >(Message-ID:<b2cfek97l6t9d23ojervc9850460vrl99b@4ax.com>):

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.

Prove that it is not stauroo that was used.

Sure: But I misspelled it above. I did "rus" when it should have been
"ros".

"Strong's Ref. # 4716

Romanized stauros
Pronounced stow-ros'

from the base of GSN2476; a stake or post (as set upright), i.e.
(specifically) a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital
punishment); figuratively, exposure to death, i.e. self-denial; by
implication, the atonement of Christ:

KJV--cross."

Sincerely James
"Can Peacekeeping Efforts Create a Peaceful World?
Get the Answer". See jw.org (10/11/2025)

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 13:45:01 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Thu, 09 Oct 2025 10:45:17 -0400
<b2cfek97l6t9d23ojervc9850460vrl99b@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 22:19:39 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:26:16 -0400
<tn4odk52ddj01vc5akep78cbtgb6vk8e7q@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

Here comes brain-washer to repeat his same stupid, refuted arguments
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over again.

And a good Christian morning to you too!

Until these doctrines sink in, yes, repetition is needed.

The 1st century

Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Quit trying to start a fight over this same stupid, refuted argument.

We know from history that Romans attached a patibulum (cross beam) to
the staurus (pole), forming a T or t shaped "cross":

1. Plautus (c. 254u184 BC) u *Miles Gloriosus* 359u360

"Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
*Miles Gloriosus* 359u360).

("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened
to the cross").

This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of
execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).

2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCuAD 65) u *De Vita Beata* 19.3

"Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
(Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)

("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
patibulum.")

Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it >>> was a physical beam.

3. JustinianAs Digest (compiled AD 533)

"Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 o15.

("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")

This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of
crucifixion.

These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional
cross structure (T or a). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John
21:18) assumes this form.

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.
Notice:

"AI Overview
The 1st-century Greek word for "cross" is stauros (sta????), which
primarily means an upright stake or pole, rather than the two-beamed
structure commonly depicted today. While stauros is often translated
as "cross" in English Bibles, its original meaning refers to the
simple implement of execution, which could be a stake, pole, or tree,
and was not necessarily a cross-shaped object."

In other words, that is like calling a bus a car. Nothing is stopping
you from doing that, and both are motor vehicles, but a bus is not a
car. And a stauros is not a cross. God chose the word "stauros" to be
used, so that is what true Christians teach; an upright pole.

The waste of time trouble-maker offers no refutation. The stauros was a >pole. But there WAS a patibulum attached to it. Thus, it was in the form
of a cross (T or t).

If it had a patibulum nailed to it, then it was a cross, not a
stauros. BUT THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT. It says it was a stauros. No
amount of twisting or watering down the Scriptures can change that
fact.

Sincerely James
"Can Peacekeeping Efforts Create a Peaceful World?
Get the Answer". See jw.org (10/11/2025)
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On Oct 11, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<fdqlekdvsrn6c5ufeq6gvja20o0p98plca@4ax.com>):

On Thu, 09 Oct 2025 09:42:32 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Oct 9, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<b2cfek97l6t9d23ojervc9850460vrl99b@4ax.com>):

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.

2Ti 3:16

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

It is pointedly obvious that the word *cross* is not in that verse.

Prove that it is not stauroo that was used.

Sure: But I misspelled it above. I did "rus" when it should have been
"ros".

That had very little to do with my question, so why did you ignore the question?

"Strong's Ref. # 4716

Romanized stauros
Pronounced stow-ros'

Look up rCLstauroorCY. See what it means. Big Hint G4717

DonrCOt be blinded by the WatchTower.

Sincerely James

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Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:48:24 -0400
<5rqlek5aup4c8p55e4f0q8p3eqdb7u5j48@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 13:45:01 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Thu, 09 Oct 2025 10:45:17 -0400
<b2cfek97l6t9d23ojervc9850460vrl99b@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 22:19:39 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:26:16 -0400
<tn4odk52ddj01vc5akep78cbtgb6vk8e7q@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

Here comes brain-washer to repeat his same stupid, refuted arguments
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and >>>> over again.

And a good Christian morning to you too!

Until these doctrines sink in, yes, repetition is needed.

The 1st century

Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.

Quit trying to start a fight over this same stupid, refuted argument.

We know from history that Romans attached a patibulum (cross beam) to
the staurus (pole), forming a T or t shaped "cross":

1. Plautus (c. 254rCo184 BC) rCo *Miles Gloriosus* 359rCo360

"Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
*Miles Gloriosus* 359rCo360).

("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened >>>> to the cross").

This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of
execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).

2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCrCoAD 65) rCo *De Vita Beata* 19.3

"Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
(Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)

("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
patibulum.")

Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it >>>> was a physical beam.

3. JustinianrCOs Digest (compiled AD 533)

"Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 -o15.

("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")

This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of
crucifixion.

These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional >>>> cross structure (T or rCa). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John >>>> 21:18) assumes this form.

Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.
Notice:

"AI Overview
The 1st-century Greek word for "cross" is stauros (sta????), which
primarily means an upright stake or pole, rather than the two-beamed
structure commonly depicted today. While stauros is often translated
as "cross" in English Bibles, its original meaning refers to the
simple implement of execution, which could be a stake, pole, or tree,
and was not necessarily a cross-shaped object."

In other words, that is like calling a bus a car. Nothing is stopping
you from doing that, and both are motor vehicles, but a bus is not a
car. And a stauros is not a cross. God chose the word "stauros" to be
used, so that is what true Christians teach; an upright pole.

The waste of time trouble-maker offers no refutation. The stauros was a
pole. But there WAS a patibulum attached to it. Thus, it was in the form
of a cross (T or t).

If it had a patibulum nailed to it, then it was a cross, not a
stauros. BUT THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT. It says it was a stauros. No
amount of twisting or watering down the Scriptures can change that
fact.

That reasoning collapses immediately once you recognize how languages
actually work.

Saying rCLThe Bible says *stauros,* so it canrCOt have a *patibulum*rCY is like saying:

rCo rCLThe Bible says Jesus got into a *boat,* so it couldnrCOt have had oarsrCobecause it doesnrCOt mention them.rCY

Words name the *main object*, not every component attached to it.

By the first century, *stauros* meant the Roman instrument of executionrCowhatever its full form was. The Gospel writers didnrCOt need to spell out rCLupright post plus crossbeam,rCY because everyone under Roman occupation already knew what a *stauros* was: the standard Roman cross.
The wordrCOs meaning had expanded through usage, just as *car* includes engines and *phone* includes screens.

So the argument, rCLThe Bible says *stauros,* not *cross,* therefore it
was only a pole,rCY mistakes etymology for definition. It freezes the word
in its oldest form and ignores how languagerCoand especially Koine GreekrCoactually functioned in the era the New Testament was written.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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images and website formatting, subscribe to my feed in a client like Thunderbird:

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