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The Athanasian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the
Trinity, explains it this way:

"The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all
one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is
almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the
Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet
there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is
afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the
whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal."

Here is that last line again: "But the whole three persons are
coeternal together, and coequal."

Coequal? Paul disagrees with man's uninspired interpretation. With
Jesus in Heaven with God, Paul says:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Yet at 1 Cor 11:3 Paul says that the head of Christ is God. Thus they
are not COEQUAL as that Creed alleges.

But in Heaven, did Jesus step down to show humility?

When Jesus came to the earth, he did forfeit some of is glory to
become a human male. But when he went back to Heaven, Heb 1:3,4:

"3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of
his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the
Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."

HE GAINED EVEN MORE GLORY THAN HE ORIGINALLY HAD. So there was no
stepping down to show humility, but rather a STEPPING UP.

Sincerely James
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he was given even more glory that he originally had:
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On Sep 27, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<maagdk1bdul58crfcqjgmfgvl7ph1l0hqe@4ax.com>):

The Athanasian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the
Trinity, explains it this way:

"The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all
one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is
almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the
Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet
there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is
afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the
whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal."

Here is that last line again: "But the whole three persons are
coeternal together, and coequal."

Coequal? Paul disagrees with man's uninspired interpretation. With
Jesus in Heaven with God, Paul says:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Yet at 1 Cor 11:3 Paul says that the head of Christ is God. Thus they
are not COEQUAL as that Creed alleges.

So you deny that a husband and wife are co-equal, and are also one? That even while the husband typically take the position of the leader, he also serves the lesser? Protecting and supporting her like a servant would?

But in Heaven, did Jesus step down to show humility?

No, He humbled himself in order to save mankind from their sins, and offer a way out.
It was necessary in order that he could live like man, be tempted and tried
in every way as man. To feel what we do, like and eat like we do, Dress like we do, and when He returned to Heaven he Became the High Priest for all who chose to believe in him, as well as to be a bonafide advocate for us before His and our Heavenly Father

When Jesus came to the earth, he did forfeit some of is glory to
become a human male. But when he went back to Heaven, Heb 1:3,4:

He forfeited nothing. He set aside his Glory for a time.

"3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of
his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the
Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."

HE GAINED EVEN MORE GLORY THAN HE ORIGINALLY HAD. So there was no
stepping down to show humility, but rather a STEPPING UP.

You just contradicted yourself. Plus the scriptures point out that as God/man he was much better than the angels, s position that is also extended to all Born Again mankind upon our resurrection. As we will be just like Him.

That is not the position of unregenerated man when they die as servants of sin. It appears as they will be less than the fallen angels in the place of torment.

You like to pretend that satan is no big deal, and has no effects, yet Paul spoke of turning a believer who fell into sin and bragged on to be turned
over to satan for the destruction of his flesh.

1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There are no religious games to play before the Heavenly Father.

Sincerely James

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On Sat, 27 Sep 2025 23:23:51 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Sep 27, 2025, James wrote >(Message-ID:<maagdk1bdul58crfcqjgmfgvl7ph1l0hqe@4ax.com>):

The Athanasian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the
Trinity, explains it this way:

"The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all
one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is
almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the
Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet
there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is
afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the
whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal."

Here is that last line again: "But the whole three persons are
coeternal together, and coequal."

Coequal? Paul disagrees with man's uninspired interpretation. With
Jesus in Heaven with God, Paul says:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.

Yet at 1 Cor 11:3 Paul says that the head of Christ is God. Thus they
are not COEQUAL as that Creed alleges.

So you deny that a husband and wife are co-equal, and are also one? That even >while the husband typically take the position of the leader, he also serves >the lesser? Protecting and supporting her like a servant would?

So then you are saying like a husband and wife, God is the position of
the leader and also protects the lesser Jesus?

That is not what the churches teach. They teach that Jesus and God are
equal, since they say Jesus IS God.

But in Heaven, did Jesus step down to show humility?

No, He humbled himself in order to save mankind from their sins, and offer a >way out.
It was necessary in order that he could live like man, be tempted and tried >in every way as man. To feel what we do, like and eat like we do, Dress like >we do, and when He returned to Heaven he Became the High Priest for all who >chose to believe in him, as well as to be a bonafide advocate for us before >His and our Heavenly Father

Again, you seem to put Jesus WHILE IN HEAVEN with a subservient role
to God.

Although I agree with you, because Jesus was created and is thus
lesser than God. (Col 1:15)

When Jesus came to the earth, he did forfeit some of is glory to
become a human male. But when he went back to Heaven, Heb 1:3,4:

He forfeited nothing. He set aside his Glory for a time.

Some synonyms of forfeit is "waive, forgo, relinquish, yield,"
(Dictionary.com)

"3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of
his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the
Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."

HE GAINED EVEN MORE GLORY THAN HE ORIGINALLY HAD. So there was no
stepping down to show humility, but rather a STEPPING UP.

You just contradicted yourself. Plus the scriptures point out that as God/man >he was much better than the angels, s position that is also extended to all >Born Again mankind upon our resurrection. As we will be just like Him.

Only if you are going to Heaven. That group is limited to 144,000 and
it started in the 1st century. The vast majority of mankind will live
here on the good old earth. As Jesus put it:

- King James
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

That is not the position of unregenerated man when they die as servants of >sin. It appears as they will be less than the fallen angels in the place of >torment.

Yes, that is right. Your god tortures. Satan loves your god, since he
loves to torture also. Does justice demand torture?
Then why don't the jails do it? Are those in charge more righteous
than God?
Should a father copy the almighty and TORTURE his misbehaving
children?

Please answer the questions if you can.

You like to pretend that satan is no big deal, and has no effects,

You are being mislead by someone again. Satan's 'effects' are world
wide, since he is the ruler of this world! (2 Cor 4:4)

yet Paul
spoke of turning a believer who fell into sin and bragged on to be turned >over to satan for the destruction of his flesh.

1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, >and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, >that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There are no religious games to play before the Heavenly Father.

???

Sincerely James
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The Bible is helping those affected by war in practical ways now.
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On Sep 29, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<vdbldk1k1d5usboup8p2i4hltsi6cqno20@4ax.com>):

On Sat, 27 Sep 2025 23:23:51 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

On Sep 27, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<maagdk1bdul58crfcqjgmfgvl7ph1l0hqe@4ax.com>):

The Athanasian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the Trinity, explains it this way:

"The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all
one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet
there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the
whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal."

Here is that last line again: "But the whole three persons are
coeternal together, and coequal."

Coequal? Paul disagrees with man's uninspired interpretation. With
Jesus in Heaven with God, Paul says:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Yet at 1 Cor 11:3 Paul says that the head of Christ is God. Thus they
are not COEQUAL as that Creed alleges.

So you deny that a husband and wife are co-equal, and are also one? That even while the husband typically take the position of the leader, he also serves
the lesser? Protecting and supporting her like a servant would?

So then you are saying like a husband and wife, God is the position of
the leader and also protects the lesser Jesus?

Read what you wrote, and what you assumed. Then read what I asked you based
on your assumptions, not what I know and understand the truth to be.

You tried to reshape the narrative knowing full well from our many
discussions on this topic that a husband and wife are equal.

Same with God. What you refuse to accept in the understandings of that truth, and the relationship that accompanies it. While one can be a leader, the
other can stop and action or thought with equal authority.

That is not what the churches teach. They teach that Jesus and God are
equal, since they say Jesus IS God.

What difference does it make, other than some such as yours is a cult.
The bottom line is what God means. How His Holy Spirit interprets the word of God, not man, nor AI.

But in Heaven, did Jesus step down to show humility?

No, He humbled himself in order to save mankind from their sins, and offer a
way out.
It was necessary in order that he could live like man, be tempted and tried in every way as man. To feel what we do, like and eat like we do, Dress like
we do, and when He returned to Heaven he Became the High Priest for all who chose to believe in him, as well as to be a bonafide advocate for us before His and our Heavenly Father

Again, you seem to put Jesus WHILE IN HEAVEN with a subservient role
to God.

You, following the lead of your god, just love to focus on one being less
than the other and therefore not a ruler. That is the envy of Satan speaking through you. Not that you are necessarily possessed, but you entertain his thoughts and doctrines.

Although I agree with you, because Jesus was created and is thus
lesser than God. (Col 1:15)

That is not the truth, it is your mantra.

rCLWho is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:rCY (Col 1:15)

Nowhere there does it state he was created.
" Christ is also the firstborn over all creation, or rCLof every created being.rCY What does this mean? Some false teachers suggest that the Lord
Jesus is Himself a created being, that He was the first Person whom God ever made. Some of them are even willing to go so far as to admit that He is the greatest creature ever to come from the hand of God. But nothing could be
more directly contrary to the teaching of the word of God.

The expression rCLfirstbornrCY has at least three different meanings in Scripture. In Luk 2:7, it is used in a literal sense, where Mary brought
forth her firstborn Son. There it means that the Lord Jesus was the first Child to whom she gave birth. In Exo 4:22, on the other hand, it is used in a figurative sense. rCLIsrael is My son, even My firstborn.rCY In that verse there is no thought of an actual birth having taken place, but the Lord is using this word to describe the distinctive place which the nation of Israel had in His plans and purposes. Finally, in Psa 89:27, the word
rCLfirstbornrCY is used to designate a place of superiority, of supremacy, of uniqueness. There God says that He will make David His firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. David was actually the last-born son of Jesse according to the flesh. But God determined to give him a place of unique supremacy, primacy, and sovereignty.rCY [UCRT"

When Jesus came to the earth, he did forfeit some of is glory to
become a human male. But when he went back to Heaven, Heb 1:3,4:

He forfeited nothing. He set aside his Glory for a time.

Some synonyms of forfeit is "waive, forgo, relinquish, yield," (Dictionary.com)

Scripture says that he set it aside.

As a king would set aside his crown to fight as a man amongst men in a war. Like King David.

"3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of
his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the
Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."

HE GAINED EVEN MORE GLORY THAN HE ORIGINALLY HAD. So there was no stepping down to show humility, but rather a STEPPING UP.

You just contradicted yourself. Plus the scriptures point out that as God/man
he was much better than the angels, s position that is also extended to all Born Again mankind upon our resurrection. As we will be just like Him.

Only if you are going to Heaven. That group is limited to 144,000 and
it started in the 1st century. The vast majority of mankind will live
here on the good old earth. As Jesus put it:

That is a totally false and a sent of compiled statements to speak a cult doctrine that is not to be found in scriptures. Not only that, but this
script of yours varies greatly from your teachings from the JW when it first began.

As an aside, there were some in your crowd that called me one of those rCLspiritual onesrCY near 30-40 years ago. Who are you to disagree with them? ;)

- King James
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

I just got through in explains that to you within the last month, a you did not disagree with what the Lord showed me, so why parrot this verse that
means nothing to you.

That is not the position of unregenerated man when they die as servants of sin. It appears as they will be less than the fallen angels in the place of torment.

Yes, that is right. Your god tortures. Satan loves your god, since he
loves to torture also. Does justice demand torture?

Jehovah declares it, as you were shown within the last few days. Is justice not torment when you sin and were judged? Even being confined in an Air Condition Cell 24/7 ia torment, especially when left to your own thoughts.

Then why don't the jails do it? Are those in charge more righteous
than God?

Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

And some refuse to jail people fore their crimes, using your reasoning.

Should a father copy the almighty and TORTURE his misbehaving
children?

Please answer the questions if you can.

Heb 12:6-13

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which correctedus, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

V11 This is caused by His Love, and your correction may not seem pleasant, especially if you resist or fight him, due to the desires of your flesh.

You like to pretend that satan is no big deal, and has no effects,

You are being mislead by someone again. Satan's 'effects' are world
wide, since he is the ruler of this world! (2 Cor 4:4)

What are his effects in your life, your desire, your religion? How do you guard your mind? Etc.

yet Paul
spoke of turning a believer who fell into sin and bragged on to be turned over to satan for the destruction of his flesh.

1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together,
and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There are no religious games to play before the Heavenly Father.

???

Look it up? You have a KJV bible.

Sincerely James

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:03:37 -0700, None <none@none.non> wrote:

On Sep 29, 2025, James wrote >(Message-ID:<3isldk14mgs0de6fok5sfctn5pmviv5205@4ax.com>):

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:52:20 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

On Sep 29, 2025, James wrote
(Message-ID:<l67ldk5innad2v6tdm86ir563dt8c3ceur@4ax.com>):

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 18:33:00 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

On Sep 28, 2025, James wrote
(Message-ID:<h18jdkteucjv37ckqdkig6lupig9b3i1ko@4ax.com>):

An AI's response to what a soul is.

Where does AI end and your comments begin?

Look for the quotation marks.

If that be the case then the only thing quoted nothing you wrote is to be >> > trusted here, since you used quotation marks around your question, unless >> > you
are an AI entity and many other quotation marks around various words.

I didn't put quotation marks around my own opinion of something. Look
again. I do put them around single words I want to stand out, like
"soul".

What the AI printed out started with the question I asked it.

I also put quotation marks around words I quote from the Bible. Like
part of Genesis 2:7 "the breath of life".

So how about being more definitive?

To me the bulk of your text was generated by the mantra of the JWAs dogma. >>

Wrong. What I said the AI said, all came from the AI. Pose my exact
question on the internet and see if you get an AI. Here is the
question I asked: "What does the Bible say a "soul" is? [quotations
were used so that it would treat it as one sentence instead of a bunch
of individual words.]

But what is interesting is that you mainly are commenting on my use of
quotations, rather than what it said a soul is. It fully agreed with
what I have been posting. The AI checked a bunch of references, and
came up with that.

What is the Greek word for soul that the Hebrews used to translate from
ancient Hebrew to Greek?

Psyche.

????? psuche?, this is the greek word for soul translated 300 years
before Christ came to earth.
Which, BTW you misspelled throughout your post.

That is the way my reference spells it.

Are you now joining the ranks of AI Rosie to determine what the word of the
Lord means?

The AI that responded to me supported everything I taught from the
Bible:

1. Gen 2:7 says Adam IS a soul.
2. OT nephesh (soul) can mean LIFE or the creature itself.
3. Gen 1:20 calls fish "souls". Thus its the whole fish.

-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls [nephesh], and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of
the heavens.
[My brackets]

4. NT psyche (that is how AI spelled it) is about the same as the OT.
It can mean LIFE or PERSON.
5. Immortal soul came from Greek psychology, namely Plato and
Aristotle. Notice:

Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

"Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without
making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian
doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
of Plato and Aristotle."

Compton's Encyclopedia (1995) states,

"The long-held notions, devised by the Greeks and others, concerning
man as a composite of material body and spiritual (or immortal) soul
was foreign to Israel....There was no question of the body's dying and
an immortal soul's going off by itself, because the individual was
believed to be a unit, not a composite of body, mind, and soul."

From a Google search page, I asked an AI what the Bible says a "soul"
is. This was its answer:

"What does the Bible say a "soul" is?

Thinking
Kicking off 11 searches
Looking at 232 sites
Getting info from Shopping
Shopping
Putting it all together
The Bible describes the "soul" (Hebrew:
nephesh, Greek: psyche) as the entire living being, not a separate, >> > > > > immortal part of a person. The concept of a soul that is inherently >> > > > > immortal and survives the body's death is rooted in Greek philosophy,
not biblical teaching."

Old Testament: Nephesh (??????)
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word nephesh is frequently translated
as "soul" but refers to the life force or a living creature itself. It
describes the whole person and can also mean "life," "person," or
"creature".

A living creature: Genesis 2:7 says that when God breathed "the
breath of life" into man, "man became a living soul (nephesh)". This >> > > > > does not mean Adam received a soul but that he became a complete,
living individual. The same term is used for animals in Genesis
1:21...

New Testament: Psyche (????)
The New Testament uses the Greek word psyche, which carries a similar
meaning to the Hebrew nephesh. While it sometimes contrasts the soul >> > > > > with the body, its meaning is determined by the context.

The total person or a life: It is often used as a synonym for
"life" or "person." For example, the disciples were counted as "three
thousand souls" (Acts 2:41), meaning three thousand people..."

Yes, the IMMORTAL soul comes from Greek influence of Aristotle and >> > > > > others.

Sincerely James

Based on what you explained this is all that AI said.

*****************************
"What does the Bible say a "soul" is?

Thinking
Kicking off 11 searches
Looking at 232 sites
Getting info from Shopping
Shopping
Putting it all together
The Bible describes the "soul" (Hebrew:
nephesh, Greek: psyche) as the entire living being, not a separate,
immortal part of a person. The concept of a soul that is inherently
immortal and survives the body's death is rooted in Greek philosophy,
not biblical teaching."
****************************

That is it. Now you are claiming the rest is also, as if AI misspelled the >greek word for soul.

Your words,
***************************

Old Testament: Nephesh (??????)
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word nephesh is frequently translated
as "soul" but refers to the life force or a living creature itself. It >describes the whole person and can also mean "life," "person," or
"creature".

A living creature: Genesis 2:7 says that when God breathed "the
breath of life" into man, "man became a living soul (nephesh)". This
does not mean Adam received a soul but that he became a complete,
living individual. The same term is used for animals in Genesis
1:21...

New Testament: Psyche (????)
The New Testament uses the Greek word psyche, which carries a similar
meaning to the Hebrew nephesh. While it sometimes contrasts the soul
with the body, its meaning is determined by the context.

The total person or a life: It is often used as a synonym for
"life" or "person." For example, the disciples were counted as "three >thousand souls" (Acts 2:41), meaning three thousand people..."

Yes, the IMMORTAL soul comes from Greek influence of Aristotle and
others.

Sincerely James

*****************************
The end of your original post.

Now, lol, just like AI Rosie, you claim that AI supported you, thus you are >justified in your thinking.

I never said that, did I? It is just one of many references that
agrees with JW teachings.

AI has no intelligence or wisdom of its own. It does not think.

It doesn't have to. It does research on subjects. It speedly contacts
more references than we can.

Jesus said.oTake my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly >in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.o (Mat 11:29)

Good Scripture. New heading below:

Sincerely James
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1 Corinthians 11:3 does not contradict the truth of ChristrCOs deity. Paul speaks there about order and role, not essence or nature. Headship does
not mean inferiority, otherwise woman would be inferior in essence to manrCowhich Paul denies elsewhere (Galatians 3:28). In the same way, the
Son is subject to the Father in role, yet equal in glory and essence.

Scripture shows this balance clearly:

rCo Jesus says, rCLI and the Father are onerCY (John 10:30, ESV). The Jews understood this as equality with God, which is why they picked up stones
to stone Him (John 10:33).
rCo Paul himself affirms ChristrCOs full deity: rCLFor in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodilyrCY (Colossians 2:9, ESV).
rCo The Son is eternally begotten, not created, and He shares the FatherrCOs very nature: rCLHe was in the beginning with God. All things were made
through himrCY (John 1:2rCo3, ESV).

Your appeal to Hebrews 1:3rCo4 also proves the opposite of what you claim.
The text does not say He gained deity or glory He lacked before, but
that His exaltation was the public declaration of what was already true.
He is the rCLradiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his naturerCY (Hebrews 1:3, ESV). That is eternal languagerCoHe always was the exact imprint of GodrCOs nature. His enthronement at the right hand demonstrates His rightful authority, not a rCLpromotion.rCY

As for rCLthe head of Christ is GodrCY (1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV), this
aligns with what Jesus Himself said: rCLthe Father is greater than IrCY
(John 14:28, ESV). That is true of His role in the plan of redemption,
not His essence. Just as a husbandrCOs headship over a wife does not make
her less human, the FatherrCOs headship does not make the Son less divine.

That is why Scripture can say both:
rCo rCLThe Word was GodrCY (John 1:1, ESV), and
rCo rCLThe head of Christ is GodrCY (1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV).

Different truths, but not contradictory. One speaks of essence, the
other of order. The Athanasian Creed simply reflects what the Bible has
always taught: three coeternal, coequal persons, one God.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:50:23 -0400
<vdbldk1k1d5usboup8p2i4hltsi6cqno20@4ax.com>
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James <James> wrote:
========================================

So then you are saying like a husband and wife, God is the position of
the leader and also protects the lesser Jesus?

Do you not seek to promote confusion between a person's essence and
their role and function?

For example are women not equal to men in their essence as human beings (Genesis 1:27), in their standing as children of God (Galatians 3:26)
and as co-heirs of the grace of life (1 Peter 3:7), though they are to
submit to their husbands in role and function (Ephesians 5:22-24)?

You're trying to contend that submission on role and function
necessitates different classes of beings? Are you really going to
contend that women are an inferior class of being simply because they
have a function and role of submission?

Do you delude yourself with the notion that your determination to twist
the Scriptures and promote Satanic lies is undetectable?
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Sep 30, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<rqpndklrtb3qngt47imidluhhkdda3cn3u@4ax.com>):

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:03:37 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

On Sep 29, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<3isldk14mgs0de6fok5sfctn5pmviv5205@4ax.com>):

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:52:20 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

On Sep 29, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<l67ldk5innad2v6tdm86ir563dt8c3ceur@4ax.com>):

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 18:33:00 -0700, None<none@none.non> wrote:

On Sep 28, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<h18jdkteucjv37ckqdkig6lupig9b3i1ko@4ax.com>):

An AI's response to what a soul is.

Where does AI end and your comments begin?

Look for the quotation marks.

If that be the case then the only thing quoted nothing you wrote is to be
trusted here, since you used quotation marks around your question, unless
you
are an AI entity and many other quotation marks around various words.

I didn't put quotation marks around my own opinion of something. Look again. I do put them around single words I want to stand out, like "soul".

What the AI printed out started with the question I asked it.

I also put quotation marks around words I quote from the Bible. Like
part of Genesis 2:7 "the breath of life".

So how about being more definitive?

To me the bulk of your text was generated by the mantra of the JWrCOs dogma.

Wrong. What I said the AI said, all came from the AI. Pose my exact question on the internet and see if you get an AI. Here is the
question I asked: "What does the Bible say a "soul" is? [quotations
were used so that it would treat it as one sentence instead of a bunch
of individual words.]

But what is interesting is that you mainly are commenting on my use of quotations, rather than what it said a soul is. It fully agreed with
what I have been posting. The AI checked a bunch of references, and
came up with that.

What is the Greek word for soul that the Hebrews used to translate from
ancient Hebrew to Greek?

Psyche.

????? psuche?, this is the greek word for soul translated 300 years before Christ came to earth.
Which, BTW you misspelled throughout your post.

That is the way my reference spells it.

Are you now joining the ranks of AI Rosie to determine what the word of the
Lord means?

The AI that responded to me supported everything I taught from the
Bible:

1. Gen 2:7 says Adam IS a soul.
2. OT nephesh (soul) can mean LIFE or the creature itself.
3. Gen 1:20 calls fish "souls". Thus its the whole fish.

-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls [nephesh], and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of
the heavens.
[My brackets]

4. NT psyche (that is how AI spelled it) is about the same as the OT.
It can mean LIFE or PERSON.
5. Immortal soul came from Greek psychology, namely Plato and
Aristotle. Notice:

Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia says,

"Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
of Plato and Aristotle."

Compton's Encyclopedia (1995) states,

"The long-held notions, devised by the Greeks and others, concerning
man as a composite of material body and spiritual (or immortal) soul
was foreign to Israel....There was no question of the body's dying and
an immortal soul's going off by itself, because the individual was believed to be a unit, not a composite of body, mind, and soul."

From a Google search page, I asked an AI what the Bible says a "soul"
is. This was its answer:

"What does the Bible say a "soul" is?

Thinking
Kicking off 11 searches
Looking at 232 sites
Getting info from Shopping
Shopping
Putting it all together
The Bible describes the "soul" (Hebrew:
nephesh, Greek: psyche) as the entire living being, not a separate,
immortal part of a person. The concept of a soul that is inherently
immortal and survives the body's death is rooted in Greek philosophy,
not biblical teaching."

Old Testament: Nephesh (??????)
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word nephesh is frequently translated
as "soul" but refers to the life force or a living creature itself. It
describes the whole person and can also mean "life," "person," or "creature".

A living creature: Genesis 2:7 says that when God breathed "the breath of life" into man, "man became a living soul (nephesh)". This
does not mean Adam received a soul but that he became a complete, living individual. The same term is used for animals in Genesis 1:21...

New Testament: Psyche (????)
The New Testament uses the Greek word psyche, which carries a similar
meaning to the Hebrew nephesh. While it sometimes contrasts the soul
with the body, its meaning is determined by the context.

The total person or a life: It is often used as a synonym for "life" or "person." For example, the disciples were counted as "three
thousand souls" (Acts 2:41), meaning three thousand people..."

Yes, the IMMORTAL soul comes from Greek influence of Aristotle and
others.

Sincerely James

Based on what you explained this is all that AI said.

*****************************
"What does the Bible say a "soul" is?

Thinking
Kicking off 11 searches
Looking at 232 sites
Getting info from Shopping
Shopping
Putting it all together
The Bible describes the "soul" (Hebrew:
nephesh, Greek: psyche) as the entire living being, not a separate, immortal part of a person. The concept of a soul that is inherently immortal and survives the body's death is rooted in Greek philosophy,
not biblical teaching."
****************************

That is it. Now you are claiming the rest is also, as if AI misspelled the greek word for soul.

Your words,
***************************

Old Testament: Nephesh (??????)
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word nephesh is frequently translated
as "soul" but refers to the life force or a living creature itself. It describes the whole person and can also mean "life," "person," or "creature".

A living creature: Genesis 2:7 says that when God breathed "the
breath of life" into man, "man became a living soul (nephesh)". This
does not mean Adam received a soul but that he became a complete,
living individual. The same term is used for animals in Genesis
1:21...

New Testament: Psyche (????)
The New Testament uses the Greek word psyche, which carries a similar meaning to the Hebrew nephesh. While it sometimes contrasts the soul
with the body, its meaning is determined by the context.

The total person or a life: It is often used as a synonym for
"life" or "person." For example, the disciples were counted as "three thousand souls" (Acts 2:41), meaning three thousand people..."

Yes, the IMMORTAL soul comes from Greek influence of Aristotle and
others.

Sincerely James

*****************************
The end of your original post.

Now, lol, just like AI Rosie, you claim that AI supported you, thus you are justified in your thinking.

I never said that, did I? It is just one of many references that
agrees with JW teachings.

Yes, you did.
************************

But what is interesting is that you mainly are commenting on my use of quotations, rather than what it said a soul is. It fully agreed with
what I have been posting. The AI checked a bunch of references, and
came up with that. ************************

AI has no intelligence or wisdom of its own. It does not think.

It doesn't have to. It does research on subjects. It speedly contacts
more references than we can.

What you quoted was that it was rCLThinkingrCY Also the bulk of you post was not from AI.

Jesus said.rCLTake my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.rCY (Mat 11:29)

Good Scripture. New heading below:

Learn of who? Jesus. Why not try that?

Sincerely James

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:50:00 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

1 Corinthians 11:3 does not contradict the truth of ChristAs deity. Paul >speaks there about order and role, not essence or nature. Headship does
not mean inferiority, otherwise woman would be inferior in essence to >manuwhich Paul denies elsewhere (Galatians 3:28).

But the woman did not give birth to the man. So its not the same
situation. God 'gave birth' to Jesus. That makes Jesus inferior to
God, which is what 1 Cor 11:3 brings out. Also notice:

- King James
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

In the same way, the
Son is subject to the Father in role, yet equal in glory and essence.

Not equal. See above.
What did the angel Gabriel say to Mary? You will give birth to:

- King James
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the
Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father
David:

Did Jesus give it to himself? Of course not, God did.

And what did Jesus himself say who he was? the "Son of God":

-- King James
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent
into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Scripture shows this balance clearly:

u Jesus says, oI and the Father are oneo (John 10:30, ESV). The Jews >understood this as equality with God, which is why they picked up stones
to stone Him (John 10:33).

Yes, they are one. So what did John mean by that? Go to John 17:21,22:

21. "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in
You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that
You sent Me.
22. "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they
may be one just as We are one: (NKJV)

"they also may be one in Us," Thus they one in thought and purpose,
not one in substance.

u Paul himself affirms ChristAs full deity: oFor in him the whole
fullness of deity dwells bodilyo (Colossians 2:9, ESV).

Thus if he was God in the flesh, many people saw God. But they
wouldn't still be alive. Notice again:

-- New King James
Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall
see Me, and live.''

u The Son is eternally begotten, not created, and He shares the FatherAs >very nature: oHe was in the beginning with God. All things were made
through himo (John 1:2u3, ESV).

Yes "through" him not 'by' him. God was always the Creator:

- King James
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Revelation 4:11 You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honour and power,
for you made the whole universe;
by your will, when it did not exist, it was created.

See verses 8-10 also, for context. It is God Almighty they are talking
about.

Your appeal to Hebrews 1:3u4 also proves the opposite of what you claim.
The text does not say He gained deity or glory He lacked before, but
that His exaltation was the public declaration of what was already true.
He is the oradiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his
natureo (Hebrews 1:3, ESV). That is eternal languageuHe always was the
exact imprint of GodAs nature. His enthronement at the right hand >demonstrates His rightful authority, not a opromotion.o

Notice vs 4:

ESV
having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited
is more excellent than theirs.

"Having become". Thus he didn't always have it.

As for othe head of Christ is Godo (1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV), this
aligns with what Jesus Himself said: othe Father is greater than Io
(John 14:28, ESV). That is true of His role in the plan of redemption,
not His essence. Just as a husbandAs headship over a wife does not make
her less human, the FatherAs headship does not make the Son less divine.

Like I said before, did the wife give birth to her husband? So they
are not of the same situation to be compared. The Father's headship
makes Jesus inferior to God.

You are taking the Scripture and twisting it to meet your own personal
dogma. 1 Cor 11:3 is simple to understand and needs not to be twisted.
GOD IS THE HEAD OF JESUS.

That is why Scripture can say both:
u oThe Word was Godo (John 1:1, ESV), and
u oThe head of Christ is Godo (1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV).

And 1 + 1= 78
That is a direct contradiction. Like did Jesus resurrect himself?

Different truths, but not contradictory. One speaks of essence, the
other of order. The Athanasian Creed simply reflects what the Bible has >always taught: three coeternal, coequal persons, one God.

And pigs can fly. "coequal persons? Also if Jesus is God:

-the head of Christ is God. (1 Cor 11:3)
**the head of Christ is himself.

-The Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)
**Christ is greater than himself.

-the Son will subject himself to God. (1 Cor 15:28)
**the Son will subject himself to himself.

-The Son's God is God Almighty. (John 20:17)
**The Son's God is himself.

-The God of Jesus. (Eph 1:17)
**Jesus' God is himself.

Jesus didn't know day or hour. (Mt 24:36
**Jesus didn't know day or hour, but himself did.

oFather, if you want to, remove this cup from me. (Lu 22:42)
**While highly disturbed, Jesus prayed to himself.

"Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God". (John 10:36c;
)
**When describing himself he said he was the Son of himself.

.THESE MAKE NO SENSE, if believed your way. Can't you see that? Are
you really after Bible truths, or your truth? Let the Bibles' truths
sink into your heart.

Sincerely James
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YourCOre stacking verses together as if role and essence must always be
the same thing, but Scripture makes clear distinctions. LetrCOs walk
through the key points one by one, solely from the Bible.

1. *rCLGod gave birth to JesusrCY rCo not biblical.*

Scripture never says the Father rCLgave birthrCY to the Son. Instead, the
Son is *eternally begotten*. John 1:1rCo3 says, rCLIn the beginning was the Word rCa all things were made through him.rCY Nothing created could exist rCLin the beginning with God.rCY He was already there, distinct yet fully divine.

2. *John 14:28, rCLthe Father is greater than I.rCY*

Jesus said this in the context of His incarnation. Philippians 2:6rCo7 explains: rCLThough he was in the form of God, he did not count equality
with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself.rCY His taking the servantrCOs role does not deny His equality in essencerCoit demonstrates humility.

3. *rCLSon of GodrCY is not denial of deity.*

The Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant by this title. John 10:33rCo36
shows they accused Him of blasphemy *because He claimed equality with
God*. For them, rCLSon of GodrCY was not a lesser category but equality with God.

4. *John 17:21rCo22 rCo one in purpose only?*

You quoted this to argue rCLonerCY only means unity of purpose. But notice: Jesus gives the disciples a derivative unity (rCLthat they may be onerCY), whereas His own unity with the Father is inherent and eternal. John
opens his Gospel with rCLthe Word was GodrCY (John 1:1), and ends with ThomasrCO confession, rCLMy Lord and my God!rCY (John 20:28).

5. *Colossians 2:9 rCo the fullness of deity dwells bodily.*

Paul doesnrCOt say rCLa portion of deityrCY or rCLa reflection of deity.rCY He uses *pleroma*rCothe *whole fullness* of deity. That is not language of inferiority.

6. *Exodus 33:20 and seeing God.*

You argued if Jesus is God, no one could see Him and live. But John 1:18 answers: rCLNo one has ever seen God; the only begotten God, who is at the FatherrCOs side, he has made him known.rCY The Son makes the invisible God visible. He is God revealed without contradiction.

7. *Hebrews 1:3rCo4, rCLhaving become.rCY*

Yes, verse 4 says He rCLbecame superior to angels,rCY but verse 3 already declared He is rCLthe radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint
of his nature.rCY The point is not that He lacked deity and then received
it, but that His exaltation after the cross publicly vindicated what He
always was.

8. *rCLThe head of Christ is GodrCY (1 Cor 11:3).*

This is role, not essence. Paul uses the husbandrCowife analogy. Man and
woman are equal in nature (rCLin Christ rCa no male and female,rCY Galatians 3:28) but distinct in role. If your interpretation were consistent, you
would also have to say women are inferior in essence to menrCoyet Paul
denies that.

9. *Your list of rCLnonsense contradictions.rCY*

They only appear contradictory because you collapse role into essence.
When Jesus prays to the Father, He is not rCLpraying to HimselfrCYrCoHe is speaking within the eternal relationship of Father and Son. Distinction
of persons within the Godhead explains every one of your examples.

10. *The SonrCOs God.*

You point to passages like John 20:17 (rCLI ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your GodrCY). In His incarnate role, Christ truly worships and obeys the Father. ThatrCOs the wonder of the incarnation: the eternal Son took on humanity without ceasing to be God.

So 1 Corinthians 11:3 and John 14:28 do not contradict Colossians 2:9 or
John 1:1. Instead, they show us the order within the Godhead, while
still affirming equality in nature. The Father is the head, the Son is
the exact imprint, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the
SonrCoall three, coeternal and coequal, one God.

(Philippians 2:6rCo7, ESV; John 1:1, 18; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3; John 20:28).
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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You keep repeating your same dumb, refuted, brain-washing lies over and
over and over again, without any convincing refutation of these facts:

The "contradictions" you list only arise because you confuse role with essence. Scripture consistently distinguishes between the two without
ever denying ChristrCOs deity. LetrCOs look at your points directly from the Bible:

The head of Christ is God (1 Corinthians 11:3).

This speaks of role. In the same verse, Paul says the head of woman is
man. That does not make woman inferior in naturerCoPaul denies that in Galatians 3:28. So likewise, Christ being subject to the Father in role
does not mean He is less than God in essence.

rCLMy Father is greater than IrCY (John 14:28).

Jesus speaks this while on earth in His humbled state (Philippians
2:6rCo8). He voluntarily took the form of a servant. In His divine nature,
He is equal with the Father; in His incarnate role, He subjected Himself.

Hebrews 1:3rCo4 rCLhaving become superior to angels.rCY

Verse 3 already said He is rCLthe radiance of the glory of God and the
exact imprint of His nature.rCY That is eternal. Verse 4 describes not His gaining deity, but His exaltation as the victorious Son in His humanity
after the cross (compare Philippians 2:9rCo11).

rCLThe Word was GodrCY (John 1:1).

This cannot mean rCLa god.rCY To begin, it doesn't say "a god" it says
"God". And no reliable translation deliberately adds words where they
change the meaning of the doctrine, just to make it flow smoothly in
English. John 1:3 says, rCLAll things were made through Him, and without
Him was not any thing made that was made.rCY If Christ Himself were a
created being, He would fall in the category of rCLthings made.rCY John excludes thatrCoeverything created was made through Him.

rCLNo one can see Me and liverCY (Exodus 33:20).

This refers to GodrCOs unveiled glory. But in Christ, God veiled Himself
in human flesh so that men could see Him and live (John 1:14, John
14:9). ThatrCOs why Paul says, rCLin him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodilyrCY (Colossians 2:9).

Christ praying to the Father (Luke 22:42).

This does not prove He is not God. It shows the reality of the
incarnation: the Son, having taken true humanity, prays to the Father. Distinction of persons is not contradiction. The Son is not the Father,
but both are equally God (John 1:1; John 20:28).

The Son subjected to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).

That does not mean inferiority of nature. It means that when redemption
is complete, the Son hands the kingdom to the Father so rCLGod may be all
in all.rCY It is the perfect harmony of the Godhead.

Your reasoning requires that if Christ is subject to the Father, He
cannot be God. But that collapses PaulrCOs analogy in 1 Corinthians 11:3.
By your logic, a wife must be inferior in essence to her husbandrCoyet
Paul denies that.

The truth Scripture presents is consistent:

rCo The Son is distinct from the Father.
rCo The Son is equal in essence with the Father.
rCo The Son takes a subordinate role in redemption.

ThatrCOs why the Jews sought to stone HimrCobecause He made Himself equal
with God (John 5:18; John 10:33). And Thomas confessed Him plainly: rCLMy
Lord and my God!rCY (John 20:28).

Your approach strains texts into contradictions, but when you keep role
and essence distinct, Scripture fits together perfectly.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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