• Re: DNA Proves Humans Are NOT An Accident

    From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Fri Sep 19 13:24:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    None <none@none.non> wrote:

    Regarding DNA. All the hypothesizing in regards to it;
    While I know it has its immediate uses which may or may not be successful, it
    is not the do all end all.
    There are well known destructive tests to extract DNA and some
    Aso-calledA non-destructive tests.

    The source of the DNA matters if one wants apurityA meaning what parts of the body it came from.

    You mean head DNA is better than foot DNA?

    Is clitoral DNA superior to penile DNA?
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Sat Sep 27 01:21:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized at the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase. Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things that have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except in the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they were to have then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not of this realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just like the flat earthAers. It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even in
    240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/Appendix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people took the Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as well, and by AscienceA. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes,
    they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims
    there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the same
    place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The North Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers, etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me to remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and
    nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your
    persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.
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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Sat Sep 27 21:20:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized at >>>> the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase. >>>> Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things that >>>> have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except in >>>>> the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they were to have then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not of this realm. >>>>
    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a
    sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even in
    240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/Appendix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people took the
    Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as
    being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as well, and by
    rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes, >> they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims
    there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the same
    place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The North >> Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that reason. >>
    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers, >> etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs >> of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by
    Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world >> for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his >> predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me to >> remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and
    nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your
    persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he posts anonymously?
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Sat Sep 27 21:02:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:

    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers,
    etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs
    of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by
    Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world
    for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your
    persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he posts anonymously?

    Are you replying to a different post? No one here was talking about
    Robert's identity.

    It's apparently well known that he posts as None <none@none.non>, and
    maybe other nyms, who knows, who cares. I couldn't care less whether
    he's anonymous or what his RL identity is or what his nym du jour is.
    Anonymity is a good policy on Usenet.

    His nuttiness always shines through. Let the man post.
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  • From Robert@.robert@mu.way to alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian, alt.bible on Sat Sep 27 22:52:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized at
    the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase.
    Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things that
    have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except in
    the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they were to have
    then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not of this realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even in
    240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/Appen
    dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people took the Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There
    is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as well, and by rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes,
    they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims
    there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the same place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers,
    etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs
    of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world
    for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in
    my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your
    persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he posts anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses those Nyms are not me.

    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of agendas, and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as availability is not always going to be available without restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.
    --

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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Sun Sep 28 18:31:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On 9/28/2025 12:52 AM, Robert wrote:
    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")?? >>>>>>
    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized at
    the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase. >>>>>> Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things that >>>>>> have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when >>>>>> someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know what I am >>>>>> talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is
    "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except in >>>>>>> the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they were to have >>>>>> then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not of this >>>>>> realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a >>>> sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just like the flat
    earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even in
    240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/Appen
    dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people took the >>>>> Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There >>>> is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as >>>> being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as well, and by
    rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes, >>>> they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims
    there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the same
    place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The >>>> North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that
    reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers,
    etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs
    of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by >>>> Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world
    for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed >>>> his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me >>>> to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in >>>> my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and
    nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs
    whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your
    persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he posts
    anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses those Nyms are not me.

    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of agendas, and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as availability is not always going to be available without restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.

    Okay, Robert, you had me confused. I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you and who this "none" was.

    Dawn
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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Mon Sep 29 18:27:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10baiep$25ot2$1@dont-email.me:

    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often
    capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is
    capitalized at the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a
    religious phrase. Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe
    things that have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind
    except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know
    what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is
    "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not
    happen, except in the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they
    were to have then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not
    of this realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was
    flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible
    describes a sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just
    like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this
    day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even
    in 240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/p
    ages/Appen dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people
    took the Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of
    understanding. There is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are
    noted as being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as
    well, and by rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the
    same people that yes, they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims
    there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the
    same place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your
    misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious
    trap. The North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for
    that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers,
    astronomers, etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling
    of the stars for signs of all types. Even the star that the wise
    man followed was predicted by Daniel in the Bible in his time,
    and he was well known in the Heathen world for his knowledge of
    the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not
    expect me to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated
    books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that
    time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said,
    and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It
    dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for
    your persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he
    posts anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my
    origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and
    commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses
    those Nyms are not me.


    The only reason I have seen people
    change nyms here is to "start fresh",
    to escape their embarasseing previous
    posts.

    In your case that is understandable.










    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the
    internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a
    rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of agendas,
    and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as availability is not
    always going to be available without restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Robert@.robert@mu.way to alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian, alt.bible on Tue Sep 30 14:27:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sep 29, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
    (Message-ID: <XnsB369872EDABA9629555@69.80.102.14>):

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10baiep$25ot2$1@dont-email.me:

    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized at the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a
    religious phrase. Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things that have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind
    except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know
    what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not
    happen, except in the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they
    were to have then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not
    of this realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was
    flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible
    describes a sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just
    like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even
    in 240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/p ages/Appen dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people
    took the Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of
    understanding. There is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as
    well, and by rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes, they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the
    same place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious
    trap. The North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for
    that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers, etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling
    of the stars for signs of all types. Even the star that the wise
    man followed was predicted by Daniel in the Bible in his time,
    and he was well known in the Heathen world for his knowledge of
    the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said,
    and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It
    dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for
    your persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he
    posts anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my
    origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses
    those Nyms are not me.

    The only reason I have seen people
    change nyms here is to "start fresh",
    to escape their embarasseing previous
    posts.

    I have used them both for years, you forgot that too?


    In your case that is understandable.


    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the
    internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a
    rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of agendas,
    and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as availability is not always going to be available without restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.
    --

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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Wed Oct 1 01:37:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10bhhv7$3tkv2$8@dont-email.me:

    On Sep 29, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
    (Message-ID: <XnsB369872EDABA9629555@69.80.102.14>):

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10baiep$25ot2$1@dont-email.me:

    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often
    capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word
    is capitalized at the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a
    religious phrase. Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to
    describe things that have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind
    except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you
    know what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do
    is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not
    happen, except in the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If
    they were to have then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One
    not of this realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was
    flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible
    describes a sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat,
    just like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto
    this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth.
    Even in 240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is
    round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat
    earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTru
    th/p ages/Appen dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these
    people took the Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of
    understanding. There is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades
    are noted as being fixed in the skies, which was hotly
    contested as well, and by rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it
    was decided by the same people that yes, they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer
    claims there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost
    the same place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your
    misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious
    trap. The North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water
    for that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go,
    astrologers, astronomers, etc. Have used the stability and
    consistency cycling of the stars for signs of all types. Even
    the star that the wise man followed was predicted by Daniel
    in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the
    Heathen world for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all
    recognized it and followed his predictions, all of which were
    correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do
    not expect me to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the
    associated books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at
    that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever
    said, and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in
    the blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It
    dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse
    for your persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this
    way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times,
    he posts anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my
    origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and
    commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses
    those Nyms are not me.

    The only reason I have seen people
    change nyms here is to "start fresh",
    to escape their embarasseing previous
    posts.

    I have used them both for years, you forgot that too?



    Why change nyms at all?





    In your case that is understandable.


    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the
    internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a
    rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of
    agendas, and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as
    availability is not always going to be available without
    restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious
    nym.


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  • From None@none@none.non to alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian, alt.bible on Tue Sep 30 21:42:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sep 30, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
    (Message-ID: <XnsB36AD01803E59629555@69.80.102.23>):

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10bhhv7$3tkv2$8@dont-email.me:

    On Sep 29, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
    (Message-ID: <XnsB369872EDABA9629555@69.80.102.14>):

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10baiep$25ot2$1@dont-email.me:

    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word
    is capitalized at the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase. Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to
    describe things that have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you
    know what I am talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do
    is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except in the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If
    they were to have then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One
    not of this realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat,
    just like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto
    this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth.
    Even in 240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat
    earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTru th/p ages/Appen dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these
    people took the Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades
    are noted as being fixed in the skies, which was hotly
    contested as well, and by rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it
    was decided by the same people that yes, they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer
    claims there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost
    the same place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water
    for that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go,
    astrologers, astronomers, etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs of all types. Even
    the star that the wise man followed was predicted by Daniel
    in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the
    Heathen world for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed his predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do
    not expect me to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the
    associated books in my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at
    that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever
    said, and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in
    the blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse
    for your persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this
    way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times,
    he posts anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses those Nyms are not me.

    The only reason I have seen people
    change nyms here is to "start fresh",
    to escape their embarasseing previous
    posts.

    I have used them both for years, you forgot that too?

    Why change nyms at all?

    Read what I wrote about it.



    In your case that is understandable.


    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the
    internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of
    agendas, and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as availability is not always going to be available without
    restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious
    nym.


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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Thu Oct 2 01:45:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Robert wrote:
    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")?? >>>>>>
    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized at
    the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase. >>>>>> Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things that >>>>>> have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when >>>>>> someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know what I am >>>>>> talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is
    "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except in >>>>>>> the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they were to have >>>>>> then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not of this >>>>>> realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a >>>> sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just like the flat
    earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even in
    240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/Appen
    dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people took the >>>>> Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There >>>> is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as >>>> being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as well, and by
    rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes, >>>> they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims
    there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the same
    place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The >>>> North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that
    reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers,
    etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs
    of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by >>>> Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world
    for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed >>>> his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me >>>> to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books in >>>> my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and
    nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the
    blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs
    whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your
    persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he posts
    anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and commonly use the last two in particular. So not everyone that uses those Nyms are not me.

    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of agendas, and all it it can disappear on a moments notice as availability is not always going to be available without restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.


    which groups do you post to?

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  • From Robert@.robert@mu.way to alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian, alt.bible on Wed Oct 1 21:27:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Oct 1, 2025, jojo wrote (Message-ID:<8b9780d5-810b-40f9-b01c-44783d4e097d@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):

    Robert wrote:
    On Sep 27, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10ba60m$2377i$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/27/2025 3:21 AM, Samuel Spade wrote:
    None <none@none.non> wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
    (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:

    (snip hundreds of lines)

    Did you even read the Merriam-Webster entry ("often capitalized")??

    Dawn, you know why I asked you the question. A the word is capitalized
    at
    the
    beginning of a sentence, or when used in respect to a religious phrase.
    Which
    reflects a bit of your background.

    As a person, that is not a word I have ever used to describe things
    that
    have
    to due with Easter, etc. In fact in never enters my mind except when
    someone
    uses it with that sense of association. I am sure you know what I am
    talking
    about or referencing.


    I suppose that, yes, ultimately, everything that we do is "physiological",
    but as for Jesus' alleged "apparitions," such did not happen, except
    in
    the heads of some of his followers.

    No one in those days spoke of it as an apparition. If they were to have
    then
    it would have been an acknowledgement of a reality. One not of this
    realm.

    That you seek to reject it, I get.

    But God is not done caring about you.

    The people who wrote the Bible believed that our World was flat:

    You should check out the scriptures for yourself. The bible describes a
    sphere. It was the RCC that declared it flat, just like the flat earthrCOers.
    It proved to be a major source of embarrassment to them unto this day.


    You've got it wrong. The RCC never believed in a flat earth. Even in 240 BCE, mariners and educated Greeks knew the earth is round.

    The RCC did believe in a geocentric universe, but not a flat earth.



    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/App
    en
    dix_
    A.html

    Please do not say that it was all "symbolic" for these people took the
    Bible at its word:

    They were and are ignorant of the scriptures, void of understanding. There
    is
    nothing symbolic about them. The seven stars of the Pleiades are noted as
    being fixed in the skies, which was hotly contested as well, and by rCOsciencerCO. A few years ago it was decided by the same people that yes,
    they are fixed.


    There is no such thing as "fixed" stars. No real astronomer claims there are. Stars all move.

    You may think some stars don't move because they are in almost the same place they were 6,000 years ago. That would be your misunderstanding.


    As the bible determined them to be. They used a different

    The Bible provides no information on position of stars.

    term for their positioning lest them fall into the religious trap. The
    North
    Star has been used for navigation both on land and on water for that reason.

    As far back into human history as you care to go, astrologers, astronomers,
    etc. Have used the stability and consistency cycling of the stars for signs
    of all types. Even the star that the wise man followed was predicted by
    Daniel in the Bible in his time, and he was well known in the Heathen world
    for his knowledge of the Stars, etc. They all recognized it and followed
    his
    predictions, all of which were correct.

    Yes, there has been much superstition built up around stars.


    I studied and verified this over 50 years ago, so please do not expect me
    to
    remember all the particulars, and I no longer have the associated books
    in
    my
    library and no longer have access to the libraries I new at that time.

    Robert, so far I've never seen you support anything you ever said, and nobody expects you to start now.

    Over the last 50 years you have forgotten a lot, and filled in the blanks with "agendized" beliefs.

    Today you have access to a huge library called The Internet. It dwarfs whatever books you had 50 years ago. There's no excuse for your persistant ignorance, except that you're happier this way.

    And, so, sometimes Robert posts as himself, and at other times, he posts anonymously?

    It depends on the NG, I have defaults that I use, and so I know my origin. Roberts, Doc and None, or No One.. Although others have and commonly use the
    last two in particular. So not everyone that uses those Nyms are not me.

    The Web is always in a state of flux, and info disappears, the internet is just that, a network. Info has no proof of origin as a rule, other that the point of origin, there is a whole lot of agendas, and all it it can disappear
    on a moments notice as availability is not always going to be available without restrictions.

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.

    which groups do you post to?

    The ones you see here in the NG list except for aa. Others such as acc, just bible and some rCLchristian ones"
    --

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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible on Wed Oct 1 23:26:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
    On Oct 1, 2025, jojo wrote

    Robert wrote:

    SS is an imitator and a troll. And of course it is a fictitious nym.

    which groups do you post to?

    The ones you see here in the NG list except for aa. Others such as acc, just bible and some ochristian ones"

    That's right, Robert never posts to aa.

    Oh, wait!...

    But Robert never lies, of course.

    Oh, wait!...

    But surely, Robert-None-Dr. Who would never use a "fictitious nym".

    Oh, wait!... Silly me.
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