• Re: Evolution and the human body.

    From James@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Thu Sep 11 13:21:17 2025
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    On Sun, 07 Sep 2025 12:23:14 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 7, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote >(Message-ID:<dvvqbkh4h83uhmm4c7ohaaom07tvb1pf2p@4ax.com>):

    Our body makes around 5 TRILLION different chemicals!!!
    How can anyone give blind, zero intelligence, evolution credit for the
    rise of the marvelous human body?

    Your link did not point to the source you claimed. No specific article, etc.

    It's at that science link. Just look for it


    If a person takes 5 trillion different chemicals which there is no evidence >of that given, what chemicals are needed for a soul.

    Since the soul is a whole person, 5 trillion chemicals.

    And what is needed for a spirit?

    If you mean a spirit person, nothing.

    Sincerely James
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  • From Robert@.robert@mu.way to alt.bible, alt.religion.christian on Thu Sep 11 10:57:57 2025
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    On Sep 11, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<rrp5ckpbe0g7k68junoki4e808hnqgo3fh@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2025 12:23:14 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 7, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<dvvqbkh4h83uhmm4c7ohaaom07tvb1pf2p@4ax.com>):

    Our body makes around 5 TRILLION different chemicals!!!
    How can anyone give blind, zero intelligence, evolution credit for the rise of the marvelous human body?

    Your link did not point to the source you claimed. No specific article, etc.

    It's at that science link. Just look for it

    There are 100rCOs of items there. I already looked and nothing was linked.

    It would be like me telling you that your religion is tied to the SDA and sending you to JW org to find it.



    If a person takes 5 trillion different chemicals which there is no evidence of that given, what chemicals are needed for a soul.

    Since the soul is a whole person, 5 trillion chemicals.

    The soul is not part of, nor does it consist of any of those 5 trillion chemicals you speak of. And since there is no proof of 5 trillion chemicals
    in this world what you claim as a reality is preposterous.


    And what is needed for a spirit?

    If you mean a spirit person, nothing.

    Then that means you have no spirit?


    Sincerely James

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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sat Sep 13 05:36:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 10:57:57 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 11, 2025, James wrote >(Message-ID:<rrp5ckpbe0g7k68junoki4e808hnqgo3fh@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2025 12:23:14 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 7, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote
    (Message-ID:<dvvqbkh4h83uhmm4c7ohaaom07tvb1pf2p@4ax.com>):

    Our body makes around 5 TRILLION different chemicals!!!
    How can anyone give blind, zero intelligence, evolution credit for the >> > > rise of the marvelous human body?

    Your link did not point to the source you claimed. No specific article, etc.

    It's at that science link. Just look for it

    There are 100As of items there. I already looked and nothing was linked.

    It would be like me telling you that your religion is tied to the SDA and >sending you to JW org to find it.

    Hello Robert,

    Go to the BBC's:

    www.sciencefocus.com

    In the search box, type in quotes "nucleated human cells".
    That will take you to that source.




    If a person takes 5 trillion different chemicals which there is no evidence
    of that given, what chemicals are needed for a soul.

    Since the soul is a whole person, 5 trillion chemicals.

    The soul is not part of, nor does it consist of any of those 5 trillion >chemicals you speak of. And since there is no proof of 5 trillion chemicals >in this world what you claim as a reality is preposterous.

    Tell that to the BBC. But see above how to get to the article.

    According to God's word, a "soul" is a whole person. Here is the
    proof:

    - King James
    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
    and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
    living soul.

    Take note, Adam "BECAME" a soul. Wasn't 'given' one. In simple math:

    Adam = soul

    The FIRST use of the word "soul" in the Bible, is what fish are
    called.

    Genesis 1:20 (Darby Translation)

    "And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls,
    (nephesh) and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the
    heavens."

    That's why if an airplane is in trouble, the Control Tower on the
    ground will ask "How many souls on board?" They are not talking about
    freaky supernatural things, but PEOPLE.



    And what is needed for a spirit?

    If you mean a spirit person, nothing.

    Then that means you have no spirit?

    The Bible word "spirit" can mean several things, all depending how it
    is used.

    Am I a spirit person? No.
    Do I contain spirit? Yes, that means the life force we all have, that
    science can't isolate. And when we die, the spirit (life force) goes
    back to God who gave it:

    -- King James
    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
    and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    Sincerely James
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sat Sep 13 05:37:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 10:57:57 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 11, 2025, James wrote >(Message-ID:<rrp5ckpbe0g7k68junoki4e808hnqgo3fh@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2025 12:23:14 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 7, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote
    (Message-ID:<dvvqbkh4h83uhmm4c7ohaaom07tvb1pf2p@4ax.com>):

    Our body makes around 5 TRILLION different chemicals!!!
    How can anyone give blind, zero intelligence, evolution credit for the >> > > rise of the marvelous human body?

    Your link did not point to the source you claimed. No specific article, etc.

    It's at that science link. Just look for it

    There are 100As of items there. I already looked and nothing was linked.

    It would be like me telling you that your religion is tied to the SDA and >sending you to JW org to find it.

    Hello Robert,

    Go to the BBC's:

    www.sciencefocus.com

    In the search box, type in quotes "nucleated human cells".
    That will take you to that source.




    If a person takes 5 trillion different chemicals which there is no evidence
    of that given, what chemicals are needed for a soul.

    Since the soul is a whole person, 5 trillion chemicals.

    The soul is not part of, nor does it consist of any of those 5 trillion >chemicals you speak of. And since there is no proof of 5 trillion chemicals >in this world what you claim as a reality is preposterous.

    Tell that to the BBC. But see above how to get to the article.

    According to God's word, a "soul" is a whole person. Here is the
    proof:

    - King James
    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
    and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
    living soul.

    Take note, Adam "BECAME" a soul. Wasn't 'given' one. In simple math:

    Adam = soul

    The FIRST use of the word "soul" in the Bible, is what fish are
    called.

    Genesis 1:20 (Darby Translation)

    "And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls,
    (nephesh) and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the
    heavens."

    That's why if an airplane is in trouble, the Control Tower on the
    ground will ask "How many souls on board?" They are not talking about
    freaky supernatural things, but PEOPLE.



    And what is needed for a spirit?

    If you mean a spirit person, nothing.

    Then that means you have no spirit?

    The Bible word "spirit" can mean several things, all depending how it
    is used.

    Am I a spirit person? No.
    Do I contain spirit? Yes, that means the life force we all have, that
    science can't isolate. And when we die, the spirit (life force) goes
    back to God who gave it:

    -- King James
    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
    and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    Sincerely James
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sat Sep 13 10:30:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 22:38:19 -0000 (UTC),
    vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

    Evolution is needed to understand modern theories. Certainly bacterial
    infections evolve before our eyes within a hospital. YOu can track the >evolution to find out where the infection first started.

    Microevolution happens all the time. those things are preprogrammed in
    their bodies. Put a dog in the North Pole, and he will grow a thicker
    coat, etc., and he is still a dog.

    It is MACROEVOLUTION which is the false science. Like a whale
    eventually coming from a one-celled life form. Mankind coming from
    apes, etc.


    But my religion, which believes in mystery over reason, says that if G*d
    made the rules he can bend, suspend or break them. You see the western >heresy of reason, the apple of Edem,

    Actually, it's the FRUIT of EDEN.

    the reliance on limited human
    perspective traps you into the evolution debate. But G*d and truth are >incmprehensible, beyond man's limited faculties, hence a mystery. Jews >believe the only answer is a question, which the Greeks call dialectic. The >same falacy of reason traps RFK into the cataphatic logic of 1919 Buick tort >law instead of apophatic falsifiability.

    Huh?

    Sincerely James
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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Sat Sep 13 11:31:44 2025
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    Sat, 13 Sep 2025 10:30:30 -0400
    <79nackdceqr2luce71f5njfesfbsmck706@4ax.com>
    "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
    "Honestly is my middle name"
    James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
    ========================================
    Microevolution happens all the time. those things are preprogrammed in
    their bodies. Put a dog in the North Pole, and he will grow a thicker
    coat, etc., and he is still a dog.

    It is MACROEVOLUTION which is the false science. Like a whale
    eventually coming from a one-celled life form. Mankind coming from
    apes, etc.


    Romans 1 and Psalm 19 say that God's eternal power is evident in what He
    has created, so that pagans are "without excuse". They have already
    received sufficient evidence of God in creation. When they suppress this self-evident knowledge of God, God hands them over to their own corrupt
    way of thinking, and they become reprobate. Trying to reason with
    reprobates from creation is futile, because they've already suppressed
    and rejected this knowledge, and God has handed them over to their "No
    God!" mentality. So all these "Christians" in here try to reason with
    pagans from the creation which they have already rejected the knowledge
    of, are wasting their time and inviting and propagating the false
    doctrines of the reprobates which they spew whenever you do this.

    Meanwhile the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16-17; 10:17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). It is only through hearing the
    proclamation of Christ's death and resurrections as a substitutionary atonement for our sins, that God will grant these people repentance and
    saving faith. Unfortunately, "Jehovah's Witnesses" preach a false gospel
    which denies Christ is YHWH, and seeks to make Him "a god" who can't
    save anyone. So they will die in their sins and bring others with them
    into the eternal, conscious torment which they feign to wish people
    saved from (John 8).

    Anyone who is truly concerned about the lost and promoting the truth
    about creation, will invest their time in proclaiming the saving gospel
    of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, not the science and
    creation which the reprobates have already rejected and which can't save
    them anyway.
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    raised Him from the dead?

    That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
    satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
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    sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

    On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
    the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
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  • From Robert@.robert@mu.way to alt.bible, alt.religion.christian on Sat Sep 13 16:50:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sep 13, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<24q9cktv9jmpoql9rh4h0v7nva7bc0a4lu@4ax.com>):

    On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 10:57:57 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 11, 2025, James wrote (Message-ID:<rrp5ckpbe0g7k68junoki4e808hnqgo3fh@4ax.com>):

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2025 12:23:14 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:

    On Sep 7, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote (Message-ID:<dvvqbkh4h83uhmm4c7ohaaom07tvb1pf2p@4ax.com>):

    Our body makes around 5 TRILLION different chemicals!!!
    How can anyone give blind, zero intelligence, evolution credit for the
    rise of the marvelous human body?

    Your link did not point to the source you claimed. No specific article, etc.

    It's at that science link. Just look for it

    There are 100rCOs of items there. I already looked and nothing was linked.

    It would be like me telling you that your religion is tied to the SDA and sending you to JW org to find it.

    Hello Robert,

    Go to the BBC's:

    www.sciencefocus.com

    In the search box, type in quotes "nucleated human cells".
    That will take you to that source.

    Then I presume that it does not say what you claimed. Especially because you did not quote the relevant parts.





    If a person takes 5 trillion different chemicals which there is no evidence of that given, what chemicals are needed for a soul.

    Since the soul is a whole person, 5 trillion chemicals.

    The soul is not part of, nor does it consist of any of those 5 trillion chemicals you speak of. And since there is no proof of 5 trillion chemicals in this world what you claim as a reality is preposterous.

    Tell that to the BBC. But see above how to get to the article.

    The British Broadcasting Corp? Get serious. You would be better off with WIKI as your source or AI.


    According to God's word, a "soul" is a whole person. Here is the
    proof:

    It says a rCyliving being'


    - King James
    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
    and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
    living soul.

    That version was rewritten in a more modern NKJV English as,...

    Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.



    Take note, Adam "BECAME" a soul. Wasn't 'given' one. In simple math:

    Adam = soul

    The FIRST use of the word "soul" in the Bible, is what fish are
    called.

    Genesis 1:20 (Darby Translation)

    "And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls,
    (nephesh) and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the
    heavens."

    You look for translations that support your false claims and then nitpick a verse that you believe supports your ever changing dogmas.

    Gen 1:20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens."

    Notice the consistency?

    Also in the KJV it says,...
    (KJV)And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament
    of heaven.
    Nephesh.

    neh'-fesh

    From H5314; properly abreathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly)vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.



    That's why if an airplane is in trouble, the Control Tower on the
    ground will ask "How many souls on board?" They are not talking about
    freaky supernatural things, but PEOPLE.

    According to your beliefs if they were all dead people due to high altitude flight without O2 what would they call them?

    I also never heard that question asked of any pilot, phrased like that.




    And what is needed for a spirit?

    If you mean a spirit person, nothing.

    Then that means you have no spirit?

    The Bible word "spirit" can mean several things, all depending how it
    is used.

    Am I a spirit person? No.
    Do I contain spirit? Yes, that means the life force we all have, that
    science can't isolate. And when we die, the spirit (life force) goes
    back to God who gave it:

    rCLBut you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of
    God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is
    not His.rCY (Rom 8:9)

    If you wish to support a life force theology of man, then quote rCLAnd the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.rCY (Gen 2:7)

    Because the image formed out of red clay in the image of God, was called ADAM which became a living being.



    -- King James
    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
    and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    Pneuma, pnyoo'-mah

    From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively aspirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, ChristrCOs spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

    This is the term used by the Hebrew priests 300 years before Christ when they translated the scrolls.

    In the original Hebrew it was,...

    ru|each, roorCO-akh

    From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even
    violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger,unsubstantiality; by
    extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a
    rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger,
    blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

    Sincerely James

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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.christnet.christnews,alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Fri Sep 26 09:46:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:31:44 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

    ========================================
    Sat, 13 Sep 2025 10:30:30 -0400
    <79nackdceqr2luce71f5njfesfbsmck706@4ax.com>
    "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
    "Honestly is my middle name"
    James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
    ========================================
    Microevolution happens all the time. those things are preprogrammed in
    their bodies. Put a dog in the North Pole, and he will grow a thicker
    coat, etc., and he is still a dog.

    It is MACROEVOLUTION which is the false science. Like a whale
    eventually coming from a one-celled life form. Mankind coming from
    apes, etc.


    Romans 1 and Psalm 19 say that God's eternal power is evident in what He
    has created, so that pagans are "without excuse". They have already
    received sufficient evidence of God in creation. When they suppress this >self-evident knowledge of God, God hands them over to their own corrupt
    way of thinking, and they become reprobate. Trying to reason with
    reprobates from creation is futile, because they've already suppressed
    and rejected this knowledge, and God has handed them over to their "No
    God!" mentality. So all these "Christians" in here try to reason with
    pagans from the creation which they have already rejected the knowledge
    of, are wasting their time and inviting and propagating the false
    doctrines of the reprobates which they spew whenever you do this.

    Yet the Bible says to preach to everyone, including pagans, and
    fornicators, and thieves, and murderers, etc, etc.



    Meanwhile the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16-17; >10:17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). It is only through hearing the
    proclamation of Christ's death and resurrections as a substitutionary >atonement for our sins, that God will grant these people repentance and >saving faith. Unfortunately, "Jehovah's Witnesses" preach a false gospel >which denies Christ is YHWH, and seeks to make Him "a god" who can't
    save anyone.

    Jesus disagrees with you:

    -- New King James
    John 14:28 "You have heard Me say to you, `I am going away and coming
    back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, `I am
    going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.

    -- New King James
    John 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
    into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son
    of God'?

    - New King James
    John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.
    No one comes to the Father except through Me.

    Even the Devil is called a "god" (2 Cor 4:4), so how much more so
    would Jesus be a "god".

    So they will die in their sins and bring others with them
    into the eternal, conscious torment which they feign to wish people
    saved from (John 8).

    Sadism has no place in the Bible. Nobody loves a torturer, esp one
    with fire. You should be cleaning God's name instead of corrupting it
    with obscenities!


    Anyone who is truly concerned about the lost and promoting the truth
    about creation, will invest their time in proclaiming the saving gospel
    of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, not the science and >creation which the reprobates have already rejected and which can't save >them anyway.

    People can come to their senses and repent. Don't deny them that
    opportunity.

    Jw's have found that out a long time ago. When a door was slammed in
    their face, they gracefully left. But sometime later, the person
    invited them in and took the free Bible study.

    Even Paul feared of getting stumbled:

    -- New King James
    1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into
    subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should
    become disqualified.

    Sincerely James
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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.christnet.christnews,alt.bible,alt.religion.christian on Fri Sep 26 10:07:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

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    Fri, 26 Sep 2025 09:46:55 -0400
    <rp0ddkl1ndk62iiqjtqv3ei7vlnbp7qdcn@4ax.com>
    "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
    "Honestly is my middle name"
    James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
    ========================================
    On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:31:44 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

    ========================================
    Sat, 13 Sep 2025 10:30:30 -0400
    <79nackdceqr2luce71f5njfesfbsmck706@4ax.com>
    "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
    "Honestly is my middle name"
    James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
    ========================================
    Microevolution happens all the time. those things are preprogrammed in
    their bodies. Put a dog in the North Pole, and he will grow a thicker
    coat, etc., and he is still a dog.

    It is MACROEVOLUTION which is the false science. Like a whale
    eventually coming from a one-celled life form. Mankind coming from
    apes, etc.


    Romans 1 and Psalm 19 say that God's eternal power is evident in what He
    has created, so that pagans are "without excuse". They have already
    received sufficient evidence of God in creation. When they suppress this
    self-evident knowledge of God, God hands them over to their own corrupt
    way of thinking, and they become reprobate. Trying to reason with
    reprobates from creation is futile, because they've already suppressed
    and rejected this knowledge, and God has handed them over to their "No
    God!" mentality. So all these "Christians" in here try to reason with
    pagans from the creation which they have already rejected the knowledge
    of, are wasting their time and inviting and propagating the false
    doctrines of the reprobates which they spew whenever you do this.

    Yet the Bible says to preach to everyone, including pagans, and
    fornicators, and thieves, and murderers, etc, etc.


    Which is what you now pretend I did not already say below. And you
    preach the gospel, not creation. Read Paul's dialogue in Acts 17. He
    spends about 30 seconds talking about the God of creation, then
    transitions to the gospel. You're not even including the gospel, and
    you're not going to reason them into salvation by arguing the creation
    they've already rejected the knowledge of. Even those who believe God
    created the universe are not saved by that knowledge.


    Meanwhile the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16-17;
    10:17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). It is only through hearing the
    proclamation of Christ's death and resurrections as a substitutionary
    atonement for our sins, that God will grant these people repentance and
    saving faith. Unfortunately, "Jehovah's Witnesses" preach a false gospel
    which denies Christ is YHWH, and seeks to make Him "a god" who can't
    save anyone.

    Jesus disagrees with you:

    Stupid liar.

    -- New King James
    John 14:28 "You have heard Me say to you, `I am going away and coming
    back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, `I am
    going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.


    You seek to confuse role with essence, like the stupid, satanically manipulated liar you are. For example, men and women are equal as
    children of God (). Wives are co-heirs of the grace of God (). They are
    the same in essence, and different only in role and function. So it is
    not because the wife is an inferior being or of a lesser essence that
    she submits to the husband, but to promote order in role and function.

    But you already knew that. You've been told this a dozen times or more already. You just seem to think that if you wait a few weeks you can
    come back and brain-wash people by repeating the same dumb, refuted, satanically manipulated lies over and over again like the brain-washing
    "JW's" you represent.


    -- New King James
    John 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
    into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son
    of God'?


    Stupid, satanically manipulated liar.

    That doesn't refute the fact that Jesus is God. In fact, it's exactly
    why the Jews correctly understood Jesus was making Himself equal with God.

    rCLThis was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him,
    because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even
    calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.rCY
    (John 5:18, ESV)

    You may delude yourself with the notion that quoting a verse that says
    Jesus is the Son of God proves He's not God, but not others.


    - New King James
    John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.
    No one comes to the Father except through Me.


    As if the fact Jesus is the only way to the Father somehow proves He's
    not God. Twisted, satanically manipulated liar. No explanation is even necessary.


    Even the Devil is called a "god" (2 Cor 4:4), so how much more so
    would Jesus be a "god".


    John doesn't say Jesus was "a god". No passage of Scripture says Jesus
    was "a god". That's where the satanically manipulated liars who slopped together the NWT mistranslation had to insert words that weren't there.
    And no, no legitimate translation supplies words which change the
    meaning of a passage theologically to the opposite of what it plainly
    says in the original.


    So they will die in their sins and bring others with them
    into the eternal, conscious torment which they feign to wish people
    saved from (John 8).

    Sadism has no place in the Bible. Nobody loves a torturer, esp one
    with fire. You should be cleaning God's name instead of corrupting it
    with obscenities!


    Satanically manipulated liar. Eternal, conscious condemnation is what
    the lost DESERVE on their merits. Anyone who goes to hell for rejecting
    God's love, mercy, and grace in Christ is getting JUSTICE, not "Sadism".
    You LIE about God you satanically manipulated tool of your father the devil.


    Anyone who is truly concerned about the lost and promoting the truth
    about creation, will invest their time in proclaiming the saving gospel
    of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, not the science and
    creation which the reprobates have already rejected and which can't save
    them anyway.

    People can come to their senses and repent. Don't deny them that
    opportunity.


    See Acts 17, you stupid satanic liar. You don't promote the saving
    gospel. You try to virtue signal by championing the creation which the
    lost have already rejected the knowledge of God in, and which does not
    lead people to saving faith in Christ. It is by hearing the gospel that
    people are saved, not by losing a debate on creation (Romans 1:16;
    10:17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). You simply try to detract from what will actually save people so you can pretend to have won a debate and refused
    to proclaim the glory of God in the face of Christ (2 Corinthians 4:6).


    Jw's have found that out a long time ago. When a door was slammed in
    their face, they gracefully left. But sometime later, the person
    invited them in and took the free Bible study.


    Anyone who listens to a JW will become twofold the child of hell that
    they are. They do nothing but twist and eisegete the Bible to promote
    Satanic lies that will lead men to the eternal, conscious torment they
    feign indignation over.


    Even Paul feared of getting stumbled:

    -- New King James
    1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into
    subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should
    become disqualified.

    You're the one stumbling people by calling God a Sadist for being JUST
    in sending men to the eternal, conscious damnation they deserve for
    rejecting God's love, mercy, and grace in Christ. You are steeped in
    lies and the promotion soul damning heresy.
    --
    Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
    raised Him from the dead?

    That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
    satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
    2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
    sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

    On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
    the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
    of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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