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On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 01:24:53 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109u10k$2eqis$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<m9o4cklvm7q3dmv7dej8ti3g85lecq4iu2@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 19:39:34 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109tcp6$28frf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<a134ck1nkhfbppjnrupvi4sgnrf4nl1onk@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 16:15:29 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109t0qh$25go7$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<f1p3ckda9pdapmio1vkvv5b2u6287hd1rt@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 10:47:21 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109sdj9$1urrv$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<l2f2ckt2uc342ecr19lfms3l2iq61jon75@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 00:09:22 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id <109r872$1frs5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 9, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<lk12ck1or7mau1fb0n0topih4rkh9mrjnp@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 19:16:32 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id <109qn20$1cca4$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 9, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<qpe1ckhcbsu9hqk01hf6r6d6f7bqdeggg4@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 12:52:06 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id <109q0h6$16dm5$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 9, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<i8l0cktjlv4m1ahq0igpj8ngpum9sqv43c@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 09:23:08 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id <109pk9c$139c8$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 8, 2025, Attila wrote (Message-ID:<hfgvbktf1fmue7euidrjm7k4vpslj0j47o@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 08 Sep 2025 19:26:18 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id <109o38a$ljmv$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 8, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<vl1ubkt5m0tdl7rsfcl98r25phh0rv604r@4ax.com>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<ddhsbk5i07akkcdm2eu6u0gd36esassghd@4ax.com>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
On Sep 6, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote (Message-ID:<kc5qbk96ar508mpkpfolrij0lf5nm2o55d@4ax.com>
):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
(snip for focus)
Same goes for the earthquake, rending of the curtain,
and
zombies
crawling out of the grave. If they had happened, no one
would
be
demanding documentation. It would be all over the
history
books.
Why would it?
Because those things would be unusual and remarkable
events.
Contemporary accounts tell us about Julius Caesar
crossing
the
Rubicon,
There were no Jeeps in his day.
Caesar being stabbed in the Senate, Augustus Caesar
ending
the
Republic,
endless wars, and more. Magic and miracles would have got
similar
attention.
Perhaps more, but why the focus on that?
It demonstrates that genuine history is found in widely
accepted
historical accounts, while religious mythology is not.
You have not defined genuine history.
It looks pretty close to me.
Based upon what?
The accounts of various people who were there and independently recorded the events in various unrelated
places.
Where in the records of men is the Temple of God in Shiloh other
than
in
the
Bible as well as in the land of Shiloh? Built about 3000 years
ago.
That is a single source and as such should not be trusted.
I can share this with you, though... Passover always
falls
on
the
night
of a full moon. Solar eclipses only happen at the
moment
of a
new
moon.
The Gospels lied.
The Gospels did not lie, your lack of knowledge has
supported
your
ignorance.
A simple explanation that does require some ability to
reason
but
with
knowledge is to answer the question as to why it can be
fully
dark
in
parts of the USA while it is fully high noon bright in
Jerusalem.
So you're saying there was a full Passover Moon in
Jerusalem
while
there
was a new moon eclipsing the other side of the world,
which
somehow
darkened the skies of Jerusalem?
Like many here in the aa group they add suppositions that
were
never
proposed.
So you don't know what your point was in observing the
earth
has
day
and
night at the same time. Other than another rabbit hole.
I already stated that you did not fully understand it based
on
your
arguments
and that was so because of your ignorance of facts.
Just because you bible says something that does not make it
a fact.
True, in that future facts are accepted by Faith in the author
of
the
Prophecies, God.
Which does nothing to support any of it being a fact.
When it has come to fruition it then becomes established fact in
this
realm.
Or not.
Yet the recorded history is fact, and is proven more and more
via
archeology
and scientific studies. Plus via mathematics
What does math have to do with this? And what history
recorded where specifically?
Why didnrCOt you read before injecting new jerk reactions?
"recorded history" covers a lot of territory. Recorded
where? What period?
Just because there is a single record that does not establish anything.
, the probability of the future
birth of Christ given all the prophesied facts regarding it
has
a
mathematical improbability far, far greater than evolutionary
theories.
Nonsense. There is no actual acceptable evidence any such
person ever existed or ever will exist. No math can change
this.
Your lack of world history, ancient writings, does not destroy
what
is
established fact.
What specific history and writings establish such a birth?
By
the magnitude of billions. Yet it happened as did the day of
His
Death.
There is nothing to factually prove any such person ever
existed. Your "magnitude of billions" sounds good but is
basically meaningless.
Only to those who dwell in ignorance. There has been many men
who
were
not
anti-God who never had a personal opinion one way of another
who,
whether
they believed there was a God named Jesus, but knew there was
such a
man,
who
researched this out of curiosity, and found that the odds made
it
seem
mathematically impossible, and were then left with the wondering
about
the
truths in the Bible.
Word salad.
That you opted out of reality and in fact war against the whole
idea,
only
proves it.
Like I have said many times, no one wars in such a fashion for
or
against
Santa Claus.
No one is making many wild claims about Santa Clause and no
one over six asserts he is real.
Yet given the sciences surrounding it
What science surrounding what?
Laughing. You so destroyed the thoughts and context by
compartmentalizing
thoughts in a paragraph that you lost sight of the subject, the
contextual
thought and having done so you will not be able to reread what
was
written
for a very long time before you can see it in its entirety
without
prejudices.
Not an answer. As expected.
the atheist ignores the science and
believes lies.
What lies? And what science?
As I stated just above, You do not communicate, nor do you care
to
understand.
Again not an answer. As expected.
It was an answer that required thought.
As was the answer right above it.
In regards to the temple of God at Shiloh. It was written about in
various
books of the Bible, there are 52 in the OT and 27 in the NT. All
authorized
by God, and written by men as the spirit of God instructed them.
How do you know they were not lying?
All of them wrote about what they saw and knew.
The descriptions of it are also there in the Books.
It was only rediscovered in this century, when archeologists
located
it
and
started excavations. Its footprints match those described in the
Bible
3000
years ago. Thereby validating the Word of God in todayrCOs realm.
The
word
picture matches what the eyes see today, right down to the
offerings
presented per the Law Covenant. Meaning the bones of the animals
sacrificed
are only the bones from the right side of the animals.
Wrong. It only proves a location mentioned exists.
They found the bldg layed out as described in the Bible. Unearthed
clay
pots.
Large ones. The items necessary for sacrifice, meaning the altars
and
a
whole
host of other things. Walls, rooms, etc.
I saw the pictures and video of them as well as the reports and the
basis
for
them.
People would scorn me to death if I were to tell them that Attila
denied
it
so that their lying eyes, and training in archeology was corrupted.
Again, it only verifies that a particular location described exists. You cannot expand that to be verification of
anything other than that specific thing. It does not verify anything that is reported to have occurred or anyone who is reported to be there.
There is specific and detailed information that fits this temple that
would
not fit any other bldg that is recorded in the Bible. These things
were
found and identified. Some of which I directly mentioned.
I do not disagree. But all that proves is that there was a building there. Nothing more.
ancillary devices and or artifacts define what the purposes of it was as
well
as why it was there.
Such as what?
I have already stated a couple or so things.
Repeat them. You don't make your discussions exactly clear
and easy to follow.
That is because you do not read what is written to understand what others say, you read with a filter and so you cannot grasp a complete thought before
you respond.
It is because you seldom answer a direct question and
constantly drift away from what is being discussed to
introduce a side topic.
People are constantly pointing to persons or locations
mentioned in the bible and which have been validated by
independent sources. None of these validate any of the
supernatural events claimed or any part of the religious
content.
The only thing validation of a person or location indicates
is the existence of that person or location. It does not
address anything claimed to have be done by that person or
at that location. Those are entirely separate issues.
You chose to ignore all those things in order to excuse away what it is.
Plus
carbon dating the items against known aged materials define the age of
it.
I will agree with any date you name. That does nothing
except show how old it is. It proves nothing beyond that
one isolated fact - how old it is.
It matches the timeline of the Bible.
So what? It doesn't support any of the supernatural or
religious parts in any way.
To the Jew it was a religion.
Which does nothing except point out the unverified opinion
of the person involved.
An ordained one for that is all they could
handle. That site, in conjunction with scripture supported each other, and there was healings and prophecies plus blessing in life.
Word salad meaning nothing.
It is all intertwined.
Now if I were to take your logic used here and apply it to all of
archeology
then it is all a bunk science, and nothing found so far and also in
the
future has any value, you officially debunked anything mentioned about
archeology in the aa NG and your comments about it define you to the
readers.
Great Job! KUDOS to you.
Nonsense. Archeology studies both written records and
physical remains and draws conclusions based upon the facts
that are determined. No speculation is made about anything
beyond that which has actual support.
Nothing in anything you have said about finding ruins or recounting what your bible has to say about those locations
does anything at all to ever begin to support any of the supernatural (or religious) components claimed.
Could proof that the city of Atlanta exists as mentioned in
Gone With the Wind do anything at all to support the
existence of Scarlett O'Hara, Rhett Butler, or many if not
most of the other people mentioned? Or what they did, what
they felt, or how they lived? Or the day to day activities
at Tara or who visited or what they did?
BTW, Tara never existed. I know. I lived in the town where
it was supposed to be located for over 30 years.
Nice try at obfuscation but you already stated your presupposition and
denial of everything that you chose to disbelieve and accept
Which would be anything that does not have supporting
evidence.
, and then verified your
reasoning for that stance, while never once making any attempt to find
the
truth of the matter and verify its truth or falseness.
What is you definition of truth and how do you determine
what is true?
Then your weak old excuse of Scarlett OrCOhara, etc. Which everyone knew
was
fiction you used to justify your reasonings against the Bible which has
been
shown to be correct historically, in spite of numerous attempts to discredit
it.
What part has been shown to be correct other than some of
the people and places mentioned? Just mentioning them in a
book verifies nothing more than their existence providing
they are also mentioned in some other unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible source.
As I have written about before, in aa, when I was a child I knew of a
man, who lie you was opposed to God and the Word of God, who was also an
archeologist, who spent his life trying to disprove the Bible via archeology
an using the locations, times, and events of the Bible to discredit them.
In
every attempt he not only failed, but proved that what was recorded was
truth.
Archeology is used to identify and analyze and not disprove
anything. It is difficult to impossible to disprove much of
anything since every possible location or investigation must
be addressed. You are either lying or not remembering
correctly.
Many have claimed that the city of David never was, yet they have discovered
it right where it was supposed to be.
So what? The same thing happened to Troy but that does not
verify the remainder of Homer.
Including the temple location at the
time of David. They are even currently conducting under ground tour through some of it while the excavations are on going.
If you are trying to support any religious component of your
bible you are not even close. You can verify beyond
question that every person and every location mentioned
existed but that proves nothing beyond their bare existence.
Which is one of the bones of your contention as well as others here. They
all quickly deny that anything in is true.People, places, and things. You
use such things as your basis for denials. IOW, deny that it exists, and then
you can deny anything related to it.
I have clearly stated that it contains references to people
and places that have independently been proven to exist. I
don't know how much clearer I can be,
Yet you constantly are denying it, and also say that these things are of no import.
Please provide a reference to where I have denied the
existence of such people or places. They are no more
important than any other places or people equally verified.
On Sep 11, 2025, Attila wrote >(Message-ID:<op25ckt1i1vplttukt4dajd1l0ie41icjh@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 01:24:53 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109u10k$2eqis$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<m9o4cklvm7q3dmv7dej8ti3g85lecq4iu2@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 19:39:34 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109tcp6$28frf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<a134ck1nkhfbppjnrupvi4sgnrf4nl1onk@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 16:15:29 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109t0qh$25go7$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<f1p3ckda9pdapmio1vkvv5b2u6287hd1rt@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 10:47:21 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109sdj9$1urrv$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 10, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<l2f2ckt2uc342ecr19lfms3l2iq61jon75@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 00:09:22 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> >> > > > > > > > > in alt.atheism with message-id
<109r872$1frs5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 9, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<lk12ck1or7mau1fb0n0topih4rkh9mrjnp@4ax.com>): >> > > > > > > > > >
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 19:16:32 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109qn20$1cca4$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 9, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<qpe1ckhcbsu9hqk01hf6r6d6f7bqdeggg4@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 12:52:06 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109q0h6$16dm5$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 9, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<i8l0cktjlv4m1ahq0igpj8ngpum9sqv43c@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 09:23:08 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109pk9c$139c8$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 8, 2025, Attila wrote
(Message-ID:<hfgvbktf1fmue7euidrjm7k4vpslj0j47o@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 08 Sep 2025 19:26:18 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<109o38a$ljmv$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
On Sep 8, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote
(Message-ID:<vl1ubkt5m0tdl7rsfcl98r25phh0rv604r@4ax.com>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote(snip for focus)
(Message-ID:<ddhsbk5i07akkcdm2eu6u0gd36esassghd@4ax.com>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
On Sep 6, 2025, Samuel Spade wrote >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<kc5qbk96ar508mpkpfolrij0lf5nm2o55d@4ax.com>
):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Same goes for the earthquake, rending of the curtain,
and
zombies
crawling out of the grave. If they had happened, no one
would
be
demanding documentation. It would be all over the
history
books.
Why would it?
Because those things would be unusual and remarkable
events.
Contemporary accounts tell us about Julius Caesar
crossing
the
Rubicon,
There were no Jeeps in his day.
Caesar being stabbed in the Senate, Augustus Caesar
ending
the
Republic,
endless wars, and more. Magic and miracles would have got
similar
attention.
Perhaps more, but why the focus on that?
It demonstrates that genuine history is found in widely
accepted
historical accounts, while religious mythology is not.
You have not defined genuine history.
It looks pretty close to me.
Based upon what?
The accounts of various people who were there and
independently recorded the events in various unrelated
places.
Where in the records of men is the Temple of God in Shiloh other
than
in
the
Bible as well as in the land of Shiloh? Built about 3000 years
ago.
That is a single source and as such should not be trusted.
I can share this with you, though... Passover always
falls
on
the
night
of a full moon. Solar eclipses only happen at the
moment
of a
new
moon.
The Gospels lied.
The Gospels did not lie, your lack of knowledge has
supported
your
ignorance.
A simple explanation that does require some ability to
reason
but
with
knowledge is to answer the question as to why it can be
fully
dark
in
parts of the USA while it is fully high noon bright in
Jerusalem.
So you're saying there was a full Passover Moon in
Jerusalem
while
there
was a new moon eclipsing the other side of the world,
which
somehow
darkened the skies of Jerusalem?
Like many here in the aa group they add suppositions that
were
never
proposed.
So you don't know what your point was in observing the
earth
has
day
and
night at the same time. Other than another rabbit hole.
I already stated that you did not fully understand it based
on
your
arguments
and that was so because of your ignorance of facts.
Just because you bible says something that does not make it
a fact.
True, in that future facts are accepted by Faith in the author
of
the
Prophecies, God.
Which does nothing to support any of it being a fact.
When it has come to fruition it then becomes established fact in
this
realm.
Or not.
Yet the recorded history is fact, and is proven more and moreWhat does math have to do with this? And what history
via
archeology
and scientific studies. Plus via mathematics >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
recorded where specifically?
Why didnAt you read before injecting new jerk reactions?
"recorded history" covers a lot of territory. Recorded
where? What period?
Just because there is a single record that does not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > establish anything.
, the probability of the future
birth of Christ given all the prophesied facts regarding it
has
a
mathematical improbability far, far greater than evolutionary
theories.
Nonsense. There is no actual acceptable evidence any such
person ever existed or ever will exist. No math can change
this.
Your lack of world history, ancient writings, does not destroy
what
is
established fact.
What specific history and writings establish such a birth?
By
the magnitude of billions. Yet it happened as did the day of
His
Death.
There is nothing to factually prove any such person ever
existed. Your "magnitude of billions" sounds good but is
basically meaningless.
Only to those who dwell in ignorance. There has been many men
who
were
not
anti-God who never had a personal opinion one way of another
who,
whether
they believed there was a God named Jesus, but knew there was
such a
man,
who
researched this out of curiosity, and found that the odds made
it
seem
mathematically impossible, and were then left with the wondering
about
the
truths in the Bible.
Word salad.
That you opted out of reality and in fact war against the whole
idea,
only
proves it.
Like I have said many times, no one wars in such a fashion for
or
against
Santa Claus.
No one is making many wild claims about Santa Clause and no
one over six asserts he is real.
Yet given the sciences surrounding it
What science surrounding what?
Laughing. You so destroyed the thoughts and context by
compartmentalizing
thoughts in a paragraph that you lost sight of the subject, the
contextual
thought and having done so you will not be able to reread what
was
written
for a very long time before you can see it in its entirety
without
prejudices.
Not an answer. As expected.
the atheist ignores the science and
believes lies.
What lies? And what science?
As I stated just above, You do not communicate, nor do you care
to
understand.
Again not an answer. As expected.
It was an answer that required thought.
As was the answer right above it.
In regards to the temple of God at Shiloh. It was written about in
various
books of the Bible, there are 52 in the OT and 27 in the NT. All
authorized
by God, and written by men as the spirit of God instructed them.
How do you know they were not lying?
Wrong. It only proves a location mentioned exists.
All of them wrote about what they saw and knew.
The descriptions of it are also there in the Books.
It was only rediscovered in this century, when archeologists
located
it
and
started excavations. Its footprints match those described in the
Bible
3000
years ago. Thereby validating the Word of God in todayAs realm.
The
word
picture matches what the eyes see today, right down to the
offerings
presented per the Law Covenant. Meaning the bones of the animals
sacrificed
are only the bones from the right side of the animals. >> > > > > > > > > > >
They found the bldg layed out as described in the Bible. Unearthed
clay
pots.
Large ones. The items necessary for sacrifice, meaning the altars
and
a
whole
host of other things. Walls, rooms, etc.
I saw the pictures and video of them as well as the reports and the
basis
for
them.
People would scorn me to death if I were to tell them that Attila
denied
it
so that their lying eyes, and training in archeology was corrupted.
Again, it only verifies that a particular location described >> > > > > > > > > exists. You cannot expand that to be verification of
anything other than that specific thing. It does not verify >> > > > > > > > > anything that is reported to have occurred or anyone who is >> > > > > > > > > reported to be there.
There is specific and detailed information that fits this temple that
would
not fit any other bldg that is recorded in the Bible. These things
were
found and identified. Some of which I directly mentioned.
I do not disagree. But all that proves is that there was a
building there. Nothing more.
ancillary devices and or artifacts define what the purposes of it was as
well
as why it was there.
Such as what?
I have already stated a couple or so things.
Repeat them. You don't make your discussions exactly clear
and easy to follow.
That is because you do not read what is written to understand what others >> > say, you read with a filter and so you cannot grasp a complete thought
before
you respond.
It is because you seldom answer a direct question and
constantly drift away from what is being discussed to
introduce a side topic.
I answer and sometimes, or many times I give examples as to what and why I >answered in that fashion.
Problems is, you then attempt to pick apart the example or explanation, line >by line, thus it appears to you as another topic.
So you created another topic and would not stick to what the thread was >about.
This is why most threads after three replies on the Usenet no longer stick to >the OP. They want to aone up/ each other, not discuss. It is as I mentioned >to you that you consistently destroy the context of what is written and are >determined to line by line destroy what others say when you hold the other >person in contempt. That is childish and immature.
People are constantly pointing to persons or locations
mentioned in the bible and which have been validated by
independent sources. None of these validate any of the
supernatural events claimed or any part of the religious
content.
Supernatural are in fact Spirit Natural.
Whether it be for Good or Evil.
That is outside the realm of the things of this world, yet they affect >everything that happens here.
This is an example of a topic shift that you introduced in your last reply.
The only thing validation of a person or location indicates
is the existence of that person or location. It does not
address anything claimed to have be done by that person or
at that location. Those are entirely separate issues.
Then you are nothing more than a body in a location. Nothing else about you >matters or can be validated.
You therefore have no intrinsic value. As that is a separate issue. The >history of your family tree is likewise unvalidated in anything other than a >time and place. Even that remains a sole source concept and like the family >trees in the Bible are therefor deniable. Per your descriptions.
You chose to ignore all those things in order to excuse away what it is.
Plus
carbon dating the items against known aged materials define the age of
it.
I will agree with any date you name. That does nothing
except show how old it is. It proves nothing beyond that
one isolated fact - how old it is.
It matches the timeline of the Bible.
So what? It doesn't support any of the supernatural or
religious parts in any way.
To the Jew it was a religion.
Which does nothing except point out the unverified opinion
of the person involved.
Then toss out everything you think you know as none of it is verifiable to >another person, depending upon their whim or religion, which BTW atheism is.
It is, after all, a belief system that is unverifiable.
An ordained one for that is all they could
handle. That site, in conjunction with scripture supported each other, and >> > there was healings and prophecies plus blessing in life.
Word salad meaning nothing.
Those who have to ears to hear hear nothing to ponder. Might as well be the >barkings of a dog.
You can be provided the mathematical formula that verifies the reality of a >supposition and without training there would be no understandings an therefor >a numerical salad.
Those without understanding would dismiss it all as valueless. Since it means >nothing to them.
The Word of God puts it this way, oBut if any man be ignorant, let him be >ignorant.o (1Co 14:38)
It is all intertwined.
Now if I were to take your logic used here and apply it to all of
archeology
then it is all a bunk science, and nothing found so far and also in
the
future has any value, you officially debunked anything mentioned about
archeology in the aa NG and your comments about it define you to the
readers.
Great Job! KUDOS to you.
Nonsense. Archeology studies both written records and
physical remains and draws conclusions based upon the facts
that are determined. No speculation is made about anything
beyond that which has actual support.
Nothing in anything you have said about finding ruins or
recounting what your bible has to say about those locations
does anything at all to ever begin to support any of the
supernatural (or religious) components claimed.
Could proof that the city of Atlanta exists as mentioned in
Gone With the Wind do anything at all to support the
existence of Scarlett O'Hara, Rhett Butler, or many if not
most of the other people mentioned? Or what they did, what
they felt, or how they lived? Or the day to day activities
at Tara or who visited or what they did?
BTW, Tara never existed. I know. I lived in the town where
it was supposed to be located for over 30 years.
Nice try at obfuscation but you already stated your presupposition and
denial of everything that you chose to disbelieve and accept
Which would be anything that does not have supporting
evidence.
, and then verified your
reasoning for that stance, while never once making any attempt to find
the
truth of the matter and verify its truth or falseness.
What is you definition of truth and how do you determine
what is true?
Then your weak old excuse of Scarlett OAhara, etc. Which everyone knew
was
fiction you used to justify your reasonings against the Bible which has
been
shown to be correct historically, in spite of numerous attempts to >> > > > > > discredit
it.
What part has been shown to be correct other than some of
the people and places mentioned? Just mentioning them in a
book verifies nothing more than their existence providing
they are also mentioned in some other unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible source.
As I have written about before, in aa, when I was a child I knew of a
man, who lie you was opposed to God and the Word of God, who was also an
archeologist, who spent his life trying to disprove the Bible via >> > > > > > archeology
an using the locations, times, and events of the Bible to discredit
them.
In
every attempt he not only failed, but proved that what was recorded was
truth.
Archeology is used to identify and analyze and not disprove
anything. It is difficult to impossible to disprove much of
anything since every possible location or investigation must
be addressed. You are either lying or not remembering
correctly.
Many have claimed that the city of David never was, yet they have >> > > > > > discovered
it right where it was supposed to be.
So what? The same thing happened to Troy but that does not
verify the remainder of Homer.
Including the temple location at the
time of David. They are even currently conducting under ground tour
through some of it while the excavations are on going.
If you are trying to support any religious component of your
bible you are not even close. You can verify beyond
question that every person and every location mentioned
existed but that proves nothing beyond their bare existence.
Which is one of the bones of your contention as well as others here. They
all quickly deny that anything in is true.People, places, and things. You
use such things as your basis for denials. IOW, deny that it exists, and then
you can deny anything related to it.
I have clearly stated that it contains references to people
and places that have independently been proven to exist. I
don't know how much clearer I can be,
Yet you constantly are denying it, and also say that these things are of no
import.
Please provide a reference to where I have denied the
existence of such people or places. They are no more
important than any other places or people equally verified.
That, my friend, is where your denials come into play. You can verify that >simply by rereading this thread. It is similar to someone saying you have no >value, your thoughts are worthless, meaningless.that your life means nothing >to anyone. For all the reasons you stipulate about other people, places and >things.
To God you are of value, your life is of value. So much so that he sent his >only begotten Son so that if you grasp onto him, and rest on him that you can >have eternal life and be rescue from the sea of death. A alife savero one >that can be right next to you, but if you do not reach out, grab it, and hang >on in belief, then all is lost and for nothing.
People are so stuck in the mire of life, like a frog in a pot of water coming >to a boil, that this becomes their sole reality. And they become comfortable >and accept it as their lot, even when they see successful people all around >them some poorer and some so wealthy that it is beyond their ability to >comprehend. Yet the looser claim that where they are is their lot. Contrary >to all the evidences surrounding them.
What makes the difference between achievers an losers? Faith. Faith like the >little train that could. And so I return to the topic of this thread.
*********************************** >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqNnk_3Ypg0
6 minute video of John Lennox on atheism and christians, faith and proofs.
Both Groups should see this, and yes, even the orthodox. >***********************************
Correcting the misspelling of his last name.
Massive snip here as I return to the original topic of the thread so as not >to wander from it, per the will of Atilla. ;)
And I apologize for allowing myself to be misdirected from the topic in order >to address the concerns of others. Which was the focus of his last reply.
Actually, it is not a bad point, stick to the topic and life would be >simpler.
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wroteNo, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because he >>>>>> was a religious nut who was guilty of sedition against the Empire. >>>>>> This is a fact of history.
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not
because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and all the people >>>>>>> he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his hands of the >>>>>>> affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and our children. >>>>>>> IOW, they took full responsibility for his crucifixion. Jesus
stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why the animosity? >>>>>>
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you acknowledged his
reality, and the record in the Bible of the event is the most detailed >>>>> public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false believers who >>> wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in the Bible as
well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of them with your >>> knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M human
beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at
least a significant minority of the population needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical references
to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because they all
knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did not mention Jesus
because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in
news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not >>>>>>>> because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and all the
people he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his hands of
the affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and our
children. IOW, they took full responsibility for his
crucifixion. Jesus stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why the
animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because
he was a religious nut who was guilty of sedition against the
Empire. This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you acknowledged his
reality, and the record in the Bible of the event is the most
detailed public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false
believers who wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in the
Bible as well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of them
with your knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_histo
ry
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M human
beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at
least a significant minority of the population needed to be
literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical
references to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because they
all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did not mention
Jesus because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so
sure that you are correct.
Dawn
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and all the people
he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his hands of the
affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and our children.
IOW, they took full responsibility for his crucifixion. Jesus stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why the animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because he
was a religious nut who was guilty of sedition against the Empire.
This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you acknowledged his reality, and the record in the Bible of the event is the most detailed
public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false believers who
wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in the Bible as well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of them with your
knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M human beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at least a significant minority of the population needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical references to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because they all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did not mention Jesus because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so sure
that you are correct.
Dawn
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:10a4cte$k9f1$2@dont-email.me:
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not
because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and all the people he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his hands of the affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and our children. IOW, they took full responsibility for his crucifixion. Jesus stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why the animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because he was a religious nut who was guilty of sedition against the Empire. This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you acknowledged his reality, and the record in the Bible of the event is the most detailed public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false believers who wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in the
Bible as well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of them
with your knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_histo ry
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M human beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at least a significant minority of the population needed to be
literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical
references to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because they
all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did not mention Jesus because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so
sure that you are correct.
Dawn
God reveals his truth to Robert,
and Robert reveals it to us. His word
is Holy Writ, all must obey!
"I know the Lord, I know the reality
of Him, He communicates with me and
me with him, just like many other
people who walk by Faith"
"Robert", Feb 23 2024
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D39DFCAA3629555@69.80.101.20>):
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
news:10a4cte$k9f1$2@dont-email.me:
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in
news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was
crucified not because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and
all the people he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his
hands of the affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and
our children. IOW, they took full responsibility for
his crucifixion. Jesus stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why
the animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so
because he was a religious nut who was guilty of
sedition against the Empire. This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you
acknowledged his reality, and the record in the Bible of
the event is the most detailed public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false
believers who wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in
the Bible as well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of
them with your knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_
histo ry
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M
human beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to
operate, at least a significant minority of the population
needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical
references to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jes
us
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because
they all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did
not mention Jesus because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so
sure that you are correct.
Dawn
God reveals his truth to Robert,
and Robert reveals it to us. His word
is Holy Writ, all must obey!
"I know the Lord, I know the reality
of Him, He communicates with me and
me with him, just like many other
people who walk by Faith"
"Robert", Feb 23 2024
Yes, I do and yes He Does. And I thank Him for considering me and
bringing me into his family. Not because I was ever good, but because
Jesus cleaned me up, Jesus who made me worthy and he would like to do
the same for you. God is no respecter of person.
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10a5q11$12pq4$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D39DFCAA3629555@69.80.101.20>):
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
news:10a4cte$k9f1$2@dont-email.me:
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in
news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was
crucified not because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and
all the people he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his
hands of the affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and
our children. IOW, they took full responsibility for
his crucifixion. Jesus stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why
the animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so
because he was a religious nut who was guilty of
sedition against the Empire. This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you
acknowledged his reality, and the record in the Bible of
the event is the most detailed public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false
believers who wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in
the Bible as well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of
them with your knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_
histo ry
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M
human beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to
operate, at least a significant minority of the population
needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical
references to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jes
us
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because
they all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did
not mention Jesus because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so
sure that you are correct.
Dawn
God reveals his truth to Robert,
and Robert reveals it to us. His word
is Holy Writ, all must obey!
"I know the Lord, I know the reality
of Him, He communicates with me and
me with him, just like many other
people who walk by Faith"
"Robert", Feb 23 2024
Yes, I do and yes He Does. And I thank Him for considering me and
bringing me into his family. Not because I was ever good, but because
Jesus cleaned me up, Jesus who made me worthy and he would like to do
the same for you. God is no respecter of person.
Have you ssked God for a winning lottery number?
That would make your life easier at nn cost to
Himself. Or maybe even some decent stock picks.
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4cte$k9f1$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me: >>>>>>
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wroteNo, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because he >>>>>>>> was a religious nut who was guilty of sedition against the Empire. >>>>>>>> This is a fact of history.
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not >>>>>>>>> because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and all the people >>>>>>>>> he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his hands of the >>>>>>>>> affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and our children. >>>>>>>>> IOW, they took full responsibility for his crucifixion. Jesus >>>>>>>>> stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why the animosity? >>>>>>>>
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you acknowledged his
reality, and the record in the Bible of the event is the most detailed >>>>>>> public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false believers who
wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in the Bible as >>>>> well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of them with your >>>>> knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history >>>>
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M human
beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at
least a significant minority of the population needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical references >>>> to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because they all
knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did not mention Jesus >>>> because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so sure
that you are correct.
Dawn
It is not worth my time. What I said was true years ago, and still is. Have they improved some, polished a few things here and there? Certainly
Yet the mistakes remain, and even increase by people who are agenda oriented.
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:10a5q11$12pq4$2@dont-email.me:
On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB359D39DFCAA3629555@69.80.101.20>):
Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:10a4cte$k9f1$2@dont-email.me:
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and
all the people he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his
hands of the affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and
our children. IOW, they took full responsibility for
his crucifixion. Jesus stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why
the animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because he was a religious nut who was guilty of
sedition against the Empire. This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you
acknowledged his reality, and the record in the Bible of
the event is the most detailed public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false believers who wrote many books on the topic but with a twist. Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in
the Bible as well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of
them with your knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_ histo ry
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M
human beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at least a significant minority of the population
needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical references to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jes
us
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because
they all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did
not mention Jesus because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so
sure that you are correct.
Dawn
God reveals his truth to Robert,
and Robert reveals it to us. His word
is Holy Writ, all must obey!
"I know the Lord, I know the reality
of Him, He communicates with me and
me with him, just like many other
people who walk by Faith"
"Robert", Feb 23 2024
Yes, I do and yes He Does. And I thank Him for considering me and
bringing me into his family. Not because I was ever good, but because
Jesus cleaned me up, Jesus who made me worthy and he would like to do
the same for you. God is no respecter of person.
Have you ssked God for a winning lottery number?
That would make your life easier at nn cost to
Himself. Or maybe even some decent stock picks.
On 9/14/2025 2:09 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10a4cte$k9f1$2@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 9:40 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109lbg2$14si$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/7/2025 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 7, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote
(Message-ID: <XnsB3535A5A4B8FA629555@69.80.102.16>):
Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote in news:109hvop$36ek4$4@dont-email.me:
On Sep 6, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109hns2$350ek$1@dont-email.me>):
On 9/5/2025 12:41 AM, Robert wrote:
On Sep 4, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <109c95h$1qr9b$2@dont-email.me>):
If you knew of the events of that day, Jesus was crucified not
because of the
Romans but because of the Jews, the High priest and all the people
he stirred
up to shout crucify him. The local ruler washed his hands of the
affair and said I find no fault in him.
The Crowd retorted the blood of him be upon us and our children.
IOW, they took full responsibility for his crucifixion. Jesus
stirred up no one, except
those that hated him.
You call Jesus Crazy? Yet know nothing of him? Why the animosity?
No, Robert, the Romans crucified Jesus, and they did so because he
was a religious nut who was guilty of sedition against the Empire.
This is a fact of history.
Dawn
Had to laugh! Not in derision but because you acknowledged his reality, and the record in the Bible of the event is the most detailed
public record.
Nothing in the Bible is "public record".
Now I can have a true laugh!
the Bible is the most public record that there is.
There is no "public record" that Jesus even
existed, much less the details of this
crucifixtion. The Romans were very good at
keeping records, and there is no mention of
any eclipse, earthguake, zombies coming out
of graves. Nothing. Even the followers of
this Jesus didn't write down a word of
these supposed events until decades later.
It is all fiction.
Think Josephus and others of his era.
Think of all the christians of that era as well as the false believers
who
wrote many books on the topic but with a twist.
Think of the Roman Documents. A Few which were recorded in the Bible as
well.
All that you have no access to, yet claim that you know of them with
your
knowledge.
Have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history
Around the time of Jesus, both Alexandria & Rome were at 1M human beings; in order for both of those cities to continue to operate, at least a significant minority of the population needed to be literate.
And, this is what historians have in terms of extra-biblical references
to the historical Jesus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
While he was alive, no mentioned his existence. Why? Because they all knew a religious nut when they saw one, and they did not mention Jesus
because he was not worth mentioning.
Dawn
LOL, you just confirmed that WIKI is the source of you Gospel.
If it is on WIKI it must be true ;)
What's the alternative? Fight the edit wars, Robert, if you are so sure that you are correct.
Dawn
It is not worth my time. What I said was true years ago, and still is. Have they improved some, polished a few things here and there? Certainly
Yet the mistakes remain, and even increase by people who are agenda oriented.
This kind of reminds me of the criteria that psychologists and/or psychiatrists use in their DSM V -- if a delusion is held by one or a
few individuals, it's a mental illness; if held by many, it's called "religion".
Dawn