• Re: Allen Ginsberg picks his nose - proof positive

    From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed Oct 8 19:09:11 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg


    Obviously just your imagination again, Nancy Gene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In the above-posted photograph, Ginsberg's finger appears to be either touching, or inserted in, his nostril.

    Ginsberg has stated that he picks his nose on numerous occasions.

    "Sometimes I sit and write poetry.
    Sometimes I sit and write prose.
    Sometimes I sit and do nothing at all,
    walk around and pick my nose.rCY

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    (From a 1983 interview with Douglas John Imbrogno.)


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 07:32:04 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg


    Obviously just your imagination again, Nancy Gene.

    HTH and HAND.


    In the above-posted photograph, Ginsberg's finger appears to be either touching, or inserted in, his nostril.

    Ginsberg has stated that he picks his nose on numerous occasions.

    "Sometimes I sit and write poetry.
    Sometimes I sit and write prose.
    Sometimes I sit and do nothing at all,
    walk around and pick my nose.rCY

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    (From a 1983 interview with Douglas John Imbrogno.)



    I think Allen Ginsberg, like Jerry Seinfeld, was trying to be funny, there.

    EfyA


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 08:19:11 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    Will Donkey is always imitating someone--this time Ginsberg in the nose-picking. For a Donkey, seeing his hero picking his nose was a validation of what Donkey had been doing all of his life.



    Allen Ginsberg is obviously simply posing for the camera thoughtfully listening to another port speaking, in this photograph.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 09:30:30 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg


    Obviously just your imagination again, Nancy Gene.

    HTH and HAND.


    In the above-posted photograph, Ginsberg's finger appears to be either touching, or inserted in, his nostril.

    Ginsberg has stated that he picks his nose on numerous occasions.

    "Sometimes I sit and write poetry.
    Sometimes I sit and write prose.
    Sometimes I sit and do nothing at all,
    walk around and pick my nose.rCY

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    (From a 1983 interview with Douglas John Imbrogno.)


    I think Allen Ginsberg, like Jerry Seinfeld, was trying to be funny, there.

    EfyA




    Obviously. He's doing an improvised riff on "Goodnight Irene."

    However, the humor doesn't change anything. Pete Seeger and The Weavers were not known to be nose-pickers; nor does the original lyric have anything to do with the topic.

    Ginsberg was being interviewed, and the topic was Ginsberg. The funny lyric provides a succinct look at a typical Ginsberg day: sometimes he writes poetry, sometimes he writes prose, sometimes (when his creative juices aren't flowing) he just sits around and picks his nose.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 11:10:40 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg


    Obviously just your imagination again, Nancy Gene.

    HTH and HAND.


    In the above-posted photograph, Ginsberg's finger appears to be either touching, or inserted in, his nostril.

    Ginsberg has stated that he picks his nose on numerous occasions.

    "Sometimes I sit and write poetry.
    Sometimes I sit and write prose.
    Sometimes I sit and do nothing at all,
    walk around and pick my nose.rCY

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    (From a 1983 interview with Douglas John Imbrogno.)


    I think Allen Ginsberg, like Jerry Seinfeld, was trying to be funny, there. >>




    Obviously. He's doing an improvised riff on "Goodnight Irene."





    That's correct.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 11:33:43 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg


    Obviously just your imagination again, Nancy Gene.

    HTH and HAND.


    In the above-posted photograph, Ginsberg's finger appears to be either touching, or inserted in, his nostril.

    Ginsberg has stated that he picks his nose on numerous occasions.

    "Sometimes I sit and write poetry.
    Sometimes I sit and write prose.
    Sometimes I sit and do nothing at all,
    walk around and pick my nose.rCY

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    (From a 1983 interview with Douglas John Imbrogno.)


    I think Allen Ginsberg, like Jerry Seinfeld, was trying to be funny, there. >>>




    Obviously. He's doing an improvised riff on "Goodnight Irene."




    That's correct.



    Of course it's correct, Donkey. I said it.

    And it's equally correct that Ginsberg's improvisation is not directed at the original song/singers, but at Ginsberg himself (describing his writing habits).

    The most one can argue is that the nose-picking was included solely for comedic effect.

    However, when taken in conjunction with the photo of him picking his nose, and the eye witness account of him deliberately picking to avoid having to talk to people who annoyed him, leads one to believe that there was a good deal of honest self-revelation behind the joke.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 13:36:36 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg


    Obviously just your imagination again, Nancy Gene.

    HTH and HAND.


    In the above-posted photograph, Ginsberg's finger appears to be either touching, or inserted in, his nostril.

    Ginsberg has stated that he picks his nose on numerous occasions.

    "Sometimes I sit and write poetry.
    Sometimes I sit and write prose.
    Sometimes I sit and do nothing at all,
    walk around and pick my nose.rCY

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    (From a 1983 interview with Douglas John Imbrogno.)


    I think Allen Ginsberg, like Jerry Seinfeld, was trying to be funny, there.





    Obviously. He's doing an improvised riff on "Goodnight Irene."




    That's correct.


    Of course it's correct, Donkey. I said it.

    And it's equally correct that Ginsberg's improvisation is not directed at the original song/singers, but at Ginsberg himself (describing his writing habits).

    The most one can argue is that the nose-picking was included solely for comedic effect.

    However, when taken in conjunction with the photo of him picking his nose, and the eye witness account of him deliberately picking to avoid having to talk to people who annoyed him, leads one to believe that there was a good deal of honest self-revelation behind the joke.



    Will Donkey picks his nose in public. Ginsberg did too. Both are shown doing so in photographs. Case closed.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 16:01:34 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking



    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 19:21:14 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.




    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally:

    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ..

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    So, Case Closed on Ginsberg.

    In your case, we only have a photograph wherein you are staring intently (with a somewhat shocked and repulsed expression) at some tiny substance or object pinched between the tips of your thumb and middle finger. The object of your attention is too small to see in the photograph, but the most obvious candidates are a strange looking booger, and an unfamiliar type of insect.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered along with your response to the speculation regarding it, it would.

    You have raised no objections to its being an insect (a flea, louse, tick, bedbug, etc.), which IMO would be the more embarrassing option of the two. Otoh, you have spent the past several months vociferously denying that it was a pick.

    This is a case in which the "Lady's" excessive protestations lead one to conclude that there's something she's trying to hide.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 20:14:44 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally:

    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    So, Case Closed on Ginsberg.

    In your case, we only have a photograph wherein you are staring intently (with a somewhat shocked and repulsed expression) at some tiny substance or object pinched between the tips of your thumb and middle finger. The object of your attention is too small to see in the photograph, but the most obvious candidates are a strange looking booger, and an unfamiliar type of insect.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered along with your response to the speculation regarding it, it would.

    You have raised no objections to its being an insect (a flea, louse, tick, bedbug, etc.), which IMO would be the more embarrassing option of the two. Otoh, you have spent the past several months vociferously denying that it was a pick.

    This is a case in which the "Lady's" excessive protestations lead one to conclude that there's something she's trying to hide.




    He sometimes protests it multiple posts in a row. He is embarrassed (if Donkeys can feel that emotion) by being exposed for doing something he thought was okay. He has no manners and was never taught manners. Or hygiene or to read and write. He is a Donkey. He eats, sleeps and craps.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 9 23:29:45 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally:

    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one
    to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    Not really.

    They're just figments of your imagination.

    Ginsberg.

    Another of your odd fantasies.

    In your case, we only have a
    photograph wherein you are
    staring intently

    I'm smoking a cigarette in the photograph and obviously thinking seriously about something.

    Nothing more.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered



    The photograph is nothing more than me smoking a cigarette.

    Anything else is strictly in your imagination.

    He sometimes protests it
    multiple posts in a row



    So, I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, Nancy Gene, you might as well could on that.

    EfyA


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 00:33:34 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    Will Donkey is always imitating someone--this time Ginsberg in the nose-picking. For a Donkey, seeing his hero picking his nose was a validation of what Donkey had been doing all of his life.



    Wrong, there's absolutely no proof for the accusations against Allen Ginsberg in this thread.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 18:55:20 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally:

    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one
    to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    Not really.

    They're just figments of your imagination.

    Ginsberg.

    Another of your odd fantasies.

    In your case, we only have a
    photograph wherein you are
    staring intently

    I'm smoking a cigarette in the photograph and obviously thinking seriously about something.

    Nothing more.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered



    The photograph is nothing more than me smoking a cigarette.

    Anything else is strictly in your imagination.

    He sometimes protests it
    multiple posts in a row


    So, I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, Nancy Gene, you might as well could on that.

    EfyA



    Both Ginsberg and Donkey are shown picking their nose. We "could" on that.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 22:42:03 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking



    Again, all in your imagination.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Oct 11 03:08:33 2025
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    nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) posted:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally: >>>
    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one
    to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    Not really.

    They're just figments of your imagination.

    Ginsberg.

    Another of your odd fantasies.

    In your case, we only have a
    photograph wherein you are
    staring intently

    I'm smoking a cigarette in the photograph and obviously thinking seriously about something.

    Nothing more.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered

    The photograph is nothing more than me smoking a cigarette.

    Anything else is strictly in your imagination.

    He sometimes protests it
    multiple posts in a row

    So, I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, Nancy Gene, you might as well count on that.

    Ginsberg shown picking


    Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, NancyGene?
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Oct 11 03:29:28 2025
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    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    NancyGene wrote:

    seeing his hero xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    Kind of raising his finger during the conversation to make a point is my guess. --
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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 23:35:22 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally:

    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one
    to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    Not really.

    They're just figments of your imagination.

    Ginsberg.

    Another of your odd fantasies.

    In your case, we only have a
    photograph wherein you are
    staring intently

    I'm smoking a cigarette in the photograph and obviously thinking seriously about something.

    Nothing more.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered



    The photograph is nothing more than me smoking a cigarette.

    Anything else is strictly in your imagination.

    He sometimes protests it
    multiple posts in a row


    So, I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, Nancy Gene, you might as well could on that.

    EfyA



    How does one "could" on something, Tizzy Boy?


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 23:43:19 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally: >>>>
    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one
    to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    Not really.

    They're just figments of your imagination.

    Ginsberg.

    Another of your odd fantasies.

    In your case, we only have a
    photograph wherein you are
    staring intently

    I'm smoking a cigarette in the photograph and obviously thinking seriously about something.

    Nothing more.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered



    The photograph is nothing more than me smoking a cigarette.

    Anything else is strictly in your imagination.

    He sometimes protests it
    multiple posts in a row


    So, I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, Nancy Gene, you might as well count on that.




    How does one "could"



    It was a typo, my bad

    It should have been "count."

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 23:45:46 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking


    No, that's simply your overactive imagination, NancyGene.

    HTH and HAND.



    In Ginsberg's case, it's an established fact.

    We have a combination of three different types of evidence:

    1 ) A photograph in which he appears to be inserting the tip of his index finger into his nostril. At very least, the tip of his pointing finger is only a fraction of an inch below his nostril.

    2 ) We have an eyewitness account from a man who knew him personally:

    "Worked on a project with Alan. He had this thing, if it were someone he really didn't want to talk to, he'd pick his nose furiously, repeatedly, until they walked away..." -- Jay Michael

    3 ) We have Ginsberg's own poetry:

    "Pick your
    nose

    ...

    to show
    the populace"

    -- Allen Ginsberg

    None of these examples, when taken individually, would constitute irrefutable evidence, however, when taken in conjunction with one another, they do not leave room for one
    to have a *reasonable* doubt.

    Not really.

    They're just figments of your imagination.

    Ginsberg.

    Another of your odd fantasies.

    In your case, we only have a
    photograph wherein you are
    staring intently

    I'm smoking a cigarette in the photograph and obviously thinking seriously about something.

    Nothing more.

    This photograph alone would not be accepted as evidence.

    However, when the photograph is considered



    The photograph is nothing more than me smoking a cigarette.

    Anything else is strictly in your imagination.

    He sometimes protests it
    multiple posts in a row



    So, I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, Nancy Gene, you might as well count on that.

    (Typo corrected.)

    EfyA


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 23:45:47 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:
    Wrong, there's absolutely no proof for the accusations against Allen Ginsberg in this thread.

    HTH and HAND.




    I like how your photo of Ginsberg has a little "True Stories" logo in the corner.

    First off, "accusations" is a strong word, Drama Queen.

    Ginsberg is merely being "accused" of picking his nose. And, based on the circumstantial evidence, it was most likely not something he was ashamed of.

    Thus far, we have presented photographic evidence, eye-witness testimony, and an admission from Ginsberg (which may or may not have been serious).

    When taken together, three pieces of circumstantial evidence can present a compelling case.

    And, since this isn't a "crime" for which he would receive capital punishment, or even imprisonment, but merely an attempt to establish whether he was, or was not, a picker, we can allow for a reasonable doubt -- so long as the preponderance of evidence points to his having picked.

    So, barring any future evidence to the contrary, we may safely conclude that Ginsberg picked his nose.

    This is the conclusion that Dunce's "trusted source" has drawn, and expressed, as well -- and for exactly the same reason. To wit: based on the available evidence, there is a good deal of evidence to support his having picked... and no evidence to support his having abstained.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri Oct 10 23:52:52 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:
    Wrong, there's absolutely no proof for the accusations against Allen Ginsberg in this thread.

    HTH and HAND.


    I like how your photo of Ginsberg has a little "True Stories" logo in the corner.

    Ginsberg is merely being "accused" of picking his nose



    With no evidence.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Oct 11 00:32:28 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking



    Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, NancyGene?

    EfOe


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Oct 11 11:03:18 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:
    Wrong, there's absolutely no proof for the accusations against Allen Ginsberg in this thread.

    HTH and HAND.



    I like how your photo of Ginsberg has a little "True Stories" logo in the corner.

    First off, "accusations" is a strong word, Drama Queen.

    Ginsberg is merely being "accused" of picking his nose. And, based on the circumstantial evidence, it was most likely not something he was ashamed of.

    Thus far, we have presented photographic evidence, eye-witness testimony, and an admission from Ginsberg (which may or may not have been serious).

    When taken together, three pieces of circumstantial evidence can present a compelling case.

    And, since this isn't a "crime" for which he would receive capital punishment, or even imprisonment, but merely an attempt to establish whether he was, or was not, a picker, we can allow for a reasonable doubt -- so long as the preponderance of evidence points to his having picked.

    So, barring any future evidence to the contrary, we may safely conclude that Ginsberg picked his nose.

    This is the conclusion that Dunce's "trusted source" has drawn, and expressed, as well -- and for exactly the same reason. To wit: based on the available evidence, there is a good deal of evidence to support his having picked... and no evidence to support his having abstained.



    Donkey can't see. Donkey can't read. Donkey couldn't understand if he both saw and read that Ginsberg picked his nose. Does George Dunce pick his nose? Does George Dunce's Moose pick Dunce's nose? Is George Dunce's nose under cover? Only Big Mo knows.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Oct 11 11:23:43 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:
    Wrong, there's absolutely no proof for the accusations against Allen Ginsberg in this thread.

    HTH and HAND.


    I like how your photo of Ginsberg has a little "True
    Stories" logo in the corner.

    Thanks.

    Ginsberg is merely being "accused" of picking his nose. And, based on the circumstantial evidence, it was most likely not something he
    was ashamed of.

    Thus far, we have presented photographic evidence, eye-witness testimony, and an admission from Ginsberg (which may or may not have been
    serious).

    True, he was obviously joking.

    we may safely conclude that
    Ginsberg picked his nose.



    Without evidence, it can be added.

    couldn't understand if he both > saw and read that Ginsberg
    picked his nose.



    Since you have no evidence, no, I don't.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat Oct 11 11:32:10 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    this time Ginsberg in the nose-picking.



    Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, NancyGene?

    EfyA


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed Oct 15 07:50:39 2025
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    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation. >>
    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery



    "Actually" is meaningless in the above sentence, Donkey. It serves no purpose whatsoever.

    Kinda like you.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed Oct 15 08:40:42 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:
    Ginsberg in the nose-picking.
    picking his nose



    Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, NancyGene?

    Obviously this is not what Allen Ginsberg's doing in the photograph.

    HTH and HAND.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed Oct 15 10:12:53 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation. >>>
    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery


    "Actually" is meaningless in the above sentence, Donkey. It serves no purpose whatsoever.

    Kinda like you.



    That's true but picking his nose has a purpose for Will Donkey (and for Allen Ginsberg). It serves as a food source, something to focus on, and a fidget spinner.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 16 04:08:39 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation. >>>
    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery


    "Actually" is meaningless



    Either way, it looks like Allen Ginsberg is making a hand gesture in the photograph, nothing more.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 16 04:12:34 2025
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    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation.

    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery





    but picking his nose



    That's all in your imagination, as usual, NancyGene, since Allen Ginsberg doesn't seem to be doing that in the photograph.


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  • From mpsilvertone@mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 16 07:40:54 2025
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    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation.

    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery





    but picking his nose


    That's all in your imagination, as usual, NancyGene, since Allen Ginsberg doesn't seem to be doing that in the photograph.




    He most certainly does appear to be doing just that, Donkey.

    And by all accounts, he was hardly a closet picker.

    Your idol was a pedophile, a picker, the poster boy for NAMBLA, and a shitty poet.

    Deal with it.


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  • From nancygene.andjayme@nancygene.andjayme@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (NancyGene) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 16 08:19:50 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation.

    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery





    but picking his nose


    That's all in your imagination, as usual, NancyGene, since Allen Ginsberg doesn't seem to be doing that in the photograph.



    He most certainly does appear to be doing just that, Donkey.

    And by all accounts, he was hardly a closet picker.

    Your idol was a pedophile, a picker, the poster boy for NAMBLA, and a shitty poet.

    Deal with it.



    He was also a douchebag, like Will Donkey.


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) to alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu Oct 16 17:58:40 2025
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    HarryLime wrote:

    Will-Dockery wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    HarryLime wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    mpsilvertone@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) posted:


    Will Dockery wrote:
    HarryLime wrote:
    Will-Dockery wrote:

    The photograph doesn't actually show that, though.

    What do you think he's doing in the photograph

    I don't really know what Ginsberg is doing, probably talking with the other poets there.

    Just making a hand gesture during conversation.

    What do you think he's doing *with his finger* in the photo

    Like I said, it seems to be part of a hand gesture during the conversation.

    It doesn't look like a hand gesture



    Of course it does, actually.

    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery





    but picking his nose


    That's all in your imagination, as usual, NancyGene, since Allen Ginsberg doesn't seem to be doing that in the photograph.



    He most certainly does appear to be doing just that



    All in your imagination, Pendragon.

    EfyA


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