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HarryLime wrote:

Will-Dockery wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

Will-Dockery wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

Will-Dockery wrote:

Again, it was established years ago that the George Dance poem under discussion here is a "Glosa" poem, which Karla Rogers explained for us long ago.

Look it up.

Syd's Sunrise
Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on,
the gnomes are safely sleeping in their homes,
when darkness is increased by 1, to 7,
& from the icy waters underground
a scarlet eagle rises, showering gold
on all. Floating down, the light resounds
blindingly -- flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow
-- & all the land is lime and limpid green.
Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive.
Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew.
Change, return, success, going and coming,
nothing can be destroyed once & for all:
Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river,
lazily winding, finding its way to sea.

No, a Cento.

Thanks, I remember the Cento and the Glosa forms of poetry.

I'm not sure which best describes the poem by George Dance, but both seem to apply.

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"Key characteristics of a glosa:
Epigraph: The poem begins with an excerpt, typically a four-line quatrain, from another poem. This is called the cabeza or texte.
Stanzas: The main body of the poem is composed of four stanzas, usually ten lines each.
Repetition: The last line of each of the four stanzas is a line from the cabeza, used in sequence.
Theme: The glosa itself serves as a "gloss," or an expansion and commentary on the theme or ideas presented in the opening quatrain.
Rhyme scheme: A traditional rhyme scheme is ABBAACCDDC, with lines 6, 9, and 10 rhyming, according to the Poetry Foundation."

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Nor is it a Cento. Here is the Poetry Foundation's definition of a Cento:

"From the Latin word for 'patchwork garment,' a cento is a literary work collaged entirely from other authorsrCO verses or passages."

It *is* poem that borrows certain words and images from a Pink Floyd album *without* crediting the original writer, or in any way acknowledging the original work it was "inspired" by.

In fairness to Dance (and I pride myself on being fair), it should be noted that there is some question as to whether his theft was unintentional, due to his usual duncery.

IIRC, Dance posted the poem in several threads in several different forums, including his blaaarg. *One* of these posts acknowledged the source (albeit only after another member of the group recognized the source).

Dance *may* have stupidly thought that his half allusion to the album's title in the title of his poem was enough for other poets to recognize his source.

Dance may very well believe that all poets and poetry readers will immediately recognize a titular allusion to a rock band that he enjoys.

Titular allusions, in fiction, have been long established, and were particularly popular in the 20th century. However, only an illiterate dunce would fail to recognize the sources for "Tender Is the Night" (Keats), "For Whom the Bell Tolls" (Donne), "East of Eden" (Genesis), "From Here to Eternity" (Kipling), or "The Grapes of Wrath" (Revelation).

Literary classics are expected to be known by literate readers.

Rock albums... not so much.

I'm willing to give Dance the benefit of the doubt on this one, and assume that his theft was most likely unintentional.

Plus it was established that the poem was a Glosa or a Cento poem, George Dance can explain that when he returns.

HTH and HAND.

It was *not* establish,

Yes it was, several years ago.

HTH and HAND.

I'll go easy on you, Donkey, because I know that you don't understand what "established" means.

Dunce's having pronounced it > a "Glosa" or a "Cento"

Again, I'll need to read the original thread to have all the details, it was many years ago.

The *definitions* of "Glosa"
and "Cento" provided by a reputable source, "The Poetry
Foundation," clearly *establish* > that Dance's poem is neither.

Again, I'll refresh my memory on the Glosa and Cento, because I don't remember all the details on writing either.

Perhaps even write a couple.

This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=697019425#697019425

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