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On 02/01/2025 05:05 pm, Spike wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is
approaching. What should one do?
Give way to traffic to your right (ie, offside) and do not overtake on
the nearside?
That was drummed into me by my instructor, more than fifty years ago, of course.
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is approaching. What should one do?
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
Here lies the body of William Jay,
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But now he’s as dead as if he was wrong.
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
Here lies the body of William Jay,
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But now he’s as dead as if he was wrong.
One of the things those driving vehicles like the one in the video need to
be especially aware of is poorer visibility on their near side.
The driver in the video had just over taken the cyclist - who was in the cycle lane and cycling responsibly. The van over took him so, presumably,
he wasn’t speeding even if he was making good progress.
The driver should not only have been aware of the cyclist but should have checked his near side mirror. He certainly should not have turned across
the path of the cyclist who was in the cycle lane and had no viable opportunity to take avoiding action- even bikes require time to stop.
Had I been driving the van- or my motorhome- and seen the cyclist etc
knowing I wanted to turn left, I’d have slowed down, let him clear the junction, then made my turn. I would not have made the initial overtake -
it was pointless.
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 02/01/2025 05:05 pm, Spike wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is >>> approaching. What should one do?
Give way to traffic to your right (ie, offside) and do not overtake on
the nearside?
That was drummed into me by my instructor, more than fifty years ago, of
course.
Did you watch the video?
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is
approaching. What should one do?
In fairness, the Tesco van was at fault.
He should have checked his mirror AND been aware he’d just passed a cyclist.
Essentially, the situation was no different to a road with two lanes and someone turning left from the right hand one, across the path of another vehicle.
Arguing the cyclist should have noticed the driver slowing down etc does
not excuse the driver.
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
Here lies the body of William Jay,
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But now he’s as dead as if he was wrong.
One of the things those driving vehicles like the one in the video need to
be especially aware of is poorer visibility on their near side.
The driver in the video had just over taken the cyclist - who was in the cycle lane and cycling responsibly. The van over took him so, presumably,
he wasn’t speeding even if he was making good progress.
The driver should not only have been aware of the cyclist but should have checked his near side mirror. He certainly should not have turned across
the path of the cyclist who was in the cycle lane and had no viable opportunity to take avoiding action- even bikes require time to stop.
Had I been driving the van- or my motorhome- and seen the cyclist etc
knowing I wanted to turn left, I’d have slowed down, let him clear the junction, then made my turn. I would not have made the initial overtake -
it was pointless.
On 06/01/2025 08:22 am, Brian wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
Here lies the body of William Jay,
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But now he’s as dead as if he was wrong.
One of the things those driving vehicles like the one in the video
need to
be especially aware of is poorer visibility on their near side.
The driver in the video had just over taken the cyclist - who was in the
cycle lane and cycling responsibly. The van over took him so,
presumably,
he wasn’t speeding even if he was making good progress.
The driver should not only have been aware of the cyclist but should have
checked his near side mirror. He certainly should not have turned across
the path of the cyclist who was in the cycle lane and had no viable
opportunity to take avoiding action- even bikes require time to stop.
Had I been driving the van- or my motorhome- and seen the cyclist etc
knowing I wanted to turn left, I’d have slowed down, let him clear the
junction, then made my turn. I would not have made the initial
overtake -
it was pointless.
You'd have waited, stationary in the middle of the road, holding up any following traffic, and allowing any number of fairy-cyclists who
happened to be on the road to overtake you on the nearside?
Can you see any flaws in that approach?
In particular, any unwarranted overturning of the basic rules of the
road as they have long been known?
On 06/01/2025 08:01 am, Brian wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is >>> approaching. What should one do?
In fairness, the Tesco van was at fault.
He should have checked his mirror AND been aware he’d just passed a
cyclist.
Essentially, the situation was no different to a road with two lanes and
someone turning left from the right hand one, across the path of another
vehicle.
Arguing the cyclist should have noticed the driver slowing down etc does
not excuse the driver.
What is the purpose of a multi-lane highway?
In particular, what is the difference between the nearside and the
offside lanes?
On 06/01/2025 10:23, JNugent wrote:
On 06/01/2025 08:22 am, Brian wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
Here lies the body of William Jay,
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But now he’s as dead as if he was wrong.
One of the things those driving vehicles like the one in the video
need to
be especially aware of is poorer visibility on their near side.
The driver in the video had just over taken the cyclist - who was in the >>> cycle lane and cycling responsibly. The van over took him so,
presumably,
he wasn’t speeding even if he was making good progress.
The driver should not only have been aware of the cyclist but should
have
checked his near side mirror. He certainly should not have turned across >>> the path of the cyclist who was in the cycle lane and had no viable
opportunity to take avoiding action- even bikes require time to stop.
Had I been driving the van- or my motorhome- and seen the cyclist etc
knowing I wanted to turn left, I’d have slowed down, let him clear the >>> junction, then made my turn. I would not have made the initial
overtake -
it was pointless.
You'd have waited, stationary in the middle of the road, holding up
any following traffic, and allowing any number of fairy-cyclists who
happened to be on the road to overtake you on the nearside?
Can you see any flaws in that approach?
In particular, any unwarranted overturning of the basic rules of the
road as they have long been known?
Not really any different to stopping to make any other maneuver.
On 06/01/2025 04:15 pm, Brian wrote:
On 06/01/2025 10:23, JNugent wrote:
On 06/01/2025 08:22 am, Brian wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
Here lies the body of William Jay,
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But now he’s as dead as if he was wrong.
One of the things those driving vehicles like the one in the
video need to be especially aware of is poorer visibility on
their near side.
The driver in the video had just over taken the cyclist - who
was in the cycle lane and cycling responsibly. The van over
took him so, presumably, he wasn’t speeding even if he was making good progress.
The driver should not only have been aware of the cyclist but
should have checked his near side mirror. He certainly should
not have turned across the path of the cyclist who was in the
cycle lane and had no viable opportunity to take avoiding
action- even bikes require time to stop.
Had I been driving the van- or my motorhome- and seen the
cyclist etc knowing I wanted to turn left, I’d have slowed
down, let him clear the junction, then made my turn. I would
not have made the initial overtake - it was pointless.
You'd have waited, stationary in the middle of the road, holding
up any following traffic, and allowing any number of
fairy-cyclists who happened to be on the road to overtake you on
the nearside?
Can you see any flaws in that approach?
In particular, any unwarranted overturning of the basic rules of
the road as they have long been known?
Not really any different to stopping to make any other maneuver.
In the middle of the road, telling oneself that one cannot move in
either direction?
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is approaching. What should one do?
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 02/01/2025 05:05 pm, Spike wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is >>> approaching. What should one do?
Give way to traffic to your right (ie, offside) and do not overtake on
the nearside?
That was drummed into me by my instructor, more than fifty years ago, of
course.
The absolute worst thing such a vehicle driver could do under those
left-turn circumstances is to stop to let cycles by. He will then have a poorer view of the cycle lane. Is he supposed to stay there forever?
On 02/01/2025 05:05 pm, Spike wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
How does one teach anticipation?
Even more importantly, how does one learn it?
Q: One is passed by a vehicle. It starts to slow down. A side turning is
approaching. What should one do?
Give way to traffic to your right (ie, offside) and do not overtake on
the nearside?
That was drummed into me by my instructor, more than fifty years ago, of course.
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12FMKAD2WN8/>