• But we don't treat chav-cyclists properly in the UK...

    From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 10 23:06:59 2024
    <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14065475/ten-year-old-facial-injuries-e-bike.html>

    QUOTE:
    The mother of a ten-year-old boy who suffered terrible facial injuries
    when an e-bike crashed into him has slammed the 'heartless' rider for
    fleeing the scene.

    Carter Ralph was left with his nose hanging off when he was struck while playing outside his home.

    Hearing his scream, Nadine Ralph, 39, ran outside to find her son
    covered in blood, lying on the ground seemingly unconscious. He required
    two operations to repair injuries to his nose, mouth and one of his eyelids. ENDQUOTE

    The punishment needs to be forty lashes and a permanent chav-cycling ban.

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to JNugent on Mon Nov 11 20:54:02 2024
    On 11/11/24 18:06, JNugent wrote:
    <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14065475/ten-year-old-facial- injuries-e-bike.html>

    QUOTE:
    The mother of a ten-year-old boy who suffered terrible facial injuries
    when an e-bike crashed into him has slammed the 'heartless' rider for
    fleeing the scene.

    Carter Ralph was left with his nose hanging off when he was struck while playing outside his home.

    Hearing his scream, Nadine Ralph, 39, ran outside to find her son
    covered in blood, lying on the ground seemingly unconscious. He required
    two operations to repair injuries to his nose, mouth and one of his
    eyelids.
    ENDQUOTE

    The punishment needs to be forty lashes and a permanent chav-cycling ban.


    Please enlighten me.
    Is it true that in the UK that bicycles are not subject to normal road
    rules, because they are regarded in law as glorified pedestrians and
    thus not vehicles or motorised transport?

    Here in NZ Bikes are regarded as vehicles, just like cars, buses, etc,
    and thus are subject to all appropriate road laws. Bike going through
    red light -> fine $150, just the same as a car going through red light,
    for example.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Nov 11 09:28:18 2024
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 11/11/24 18:06, JNugent wrote:
    <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14065475/ten-year-old-facial-
    injuries-e-bike.html>

    QUOTE:
    The mother of a ten-year-old boy who suffered terrible facial injuries
    when an e-bike crashed into him has slammed the 'heartless' rider for
    fleeing the scene.

    Carter Ralph was left with his nose hanging off when he was struck while
    playing outside his home.

    Hearing his scream, Nadine Ralph, 39, ran outside to find her son
    covered in blood, lying on the ground seemingly unconscious. He required
    two operations to repair injuries to his nose, mouth and one of his
    eyelids.
    ENDQUOTE

    The punishment needs to be forty lashes and a permanent chav-cycling ban.


    Please enlighten me.
    Is it true that in the UK that bicycles are not subject to normal road
    rules, because they are regarded in law as glorified pedestrians and
    thus not vehicles or motorised transport?

    Here in NZ Bikes are regarded as vehicles, just like cars, buses, etc,
    and thus are subject to all appropriate road laws. Bike going through
    red light -> fine $150, just the same as a car going through red light,
    for example.

    The cycling lobby here is vehemently against any form of control, usually
    on the laughable grounds that “It might put people off cycling”.

    A huge amount of legislation is in place regarding motor vehicles, and that doesn’t seem to put anyone off.

    NZ seems to have it about right regarding cycling and road law. Were it so here…

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Nov 11 19:22:06 2024
    On 11/11/2024 01:54, Peter Keller wrote:
    On 11/11/24 18:06, JNugent wrote:
    <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14065475/ten-year-old-facial- injuries-e-bike.html>


    QUOTE:
    The mother of a ten-year-old boy who suffered terrible facial injuries
    when an e-bike crashed into him has slammed the 'heartless' rider for
    fleeing the scene.

    Carter Ralph was left with his nose hanging off when he was struck
    while playing outside his home.

    Hearing his scream, Nadine Ralph, 39, ran outside to find her son
    covered in blood, lying on the ground seemingly unconscious. He
    required two operations to repair injuries to his nose, mouth and one
    of his eyelids.
    ENDQUOTE

    The punishment needs to be forty lashes and a permanent chav-cycling ban.


    Please enlighten me.
    Is it true that in the UK that bicycles are not subject to normal road
    rules, because they are regarded in law as glorified pedestrians and
    thus not vehicles or motorised transport?

    Here in NZ Bikes are regarded as vehicles, just like cars, buses, etc,
    and thus are subject to all appropriate road laws. Bike going through
    red light -> fine $150, just the same as a car going through red light,
    for example.

    Spike has already provided a response, but perhaps it would be as well
    to state that the law in the UK is remarkably similar to how you
    describe the law in NZ.

    But most traffic law depends upon the willingness of road-users to be law-abiding. And that is exactly the wrong approach for the UK's bands
    of scofflaw chav-cyclists.


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