• The use and abuse of statistics

    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 12 22:02:41 2024
    Note the following:

    “Over half of Londoners…”

    “88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”

    “70 per cent of Londoners…”

    “…while 60 per cent…”

    “According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”

    “…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety
    Index”

    So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch “…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”. Gerraway!!

    And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
    in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.

    The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full horror story is at the link given.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>

    Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
    over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
    Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds

    The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available

    by RYAN MALLON
    THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49

    A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
    more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
    throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.

    Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
    safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent
    feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.

    The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot
    button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the views of 11,982 people across 32 European cities.

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri Sep 13 10:38:15 2024
    On 13/09/24 10:02, Spike wrote:
    Note the following:

    “Over half of Londoners…”

    “88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”

    “70 per cent of Londoners…”

    “…while 60 per cent…”

    “According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”

    “…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety
    Index”

    So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch “…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”. Gerraway!!

    And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
    in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.

    The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full horror story is at the link given.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>

    Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
    over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds

    The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available

    by RYAN MALLON
    THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49

    A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
    more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
    throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.

    Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
    safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.

    The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the views of 11,982 people across 32 European cities.

    "How to Lie With Statistics"
    https://shorturl.at/rryyy

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Fri Sep 13 15:33:30 2024
    On 12/09/2024 11:38 pm, Peter Keller wrote:
    On 13/09/24 10:02, Spike wrote:
    Note the following:

    “Over half of Londoners…”

    “88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”

    “70 per cent of Londoners…”

    “…while 60 per cent…”

    “According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…” >>
    “…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road >> Safety
    Index”

    So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch
    “…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”.
    Gerraway!!

    And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
    in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.

    The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full
    horror
    story is at the link given.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>


    Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
    over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
    Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds

    The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe >> that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available

    by RYAN MALLON
    THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49

    A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
    more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be
    introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
    throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.

    Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local
    councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
    safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent
    feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.

    The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot
    button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of
    Cyclomedia’s
    2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the
    views of
    11,982 people across 32 European cities.

    "How to Lie With Statistics"
    https://shorturl.at/rryyy

    Darrell Huff?

    Ah yes... still have my copy of Huff, just on fifty years old now.
    Bought it at W H Smith in Liverpool when I was a first year student.

    Another way people lie with statistics is to seek to compare things
    which have nothing to do with each other.

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Sep 14 15:53:12 2024
    On 14/09/24 02:33, JNugent wrote:
    On 12/09/2024 11:38 pm, Peter Keller wrote:
    On 13/09/24 10:02, Spike wrote:
    Note the following:

    “Over half of Londoners…”

    “88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”

    “70 per cent of Londoners…”

    “…while 60 per cent…”

    “According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”

    “…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road >>> Safety
    Index”

    So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to
    touch
    “…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”.
    Gerraway!!

    And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it
    results
    in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.

    The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full
    horror
    story is at the link given.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>

    Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers >>> over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
    Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds

    The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents
    believe
    that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available

    by RYAN MALLON
    THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49

    A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe >>> more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be
    introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
    throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.

    Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local
    councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
    safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per
    cent
    feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.

    The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot >>> button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of
    Cyclomedia’s
    2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the
    views of
    11,982 people across 32 European cities.

    "How to Lie With Statistics"
    https://shorturl.at/rryyy

    Darrell Huff?

    Ah yes... still have my copy of Huff, just on fifty years old now.
    Bought it at W H Smith in Liverpool when I was a first year student.

    Another way people lie with statistics is to seek to compare things
    which have nothing to do with each other.



    Too true --
    67.2% of statistics are made up.

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