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<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e-bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs
on bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e-
bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on
bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e-
bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversÆ union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw >my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have
a motorcycle, IÆm in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor IÆm >healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with >cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >æfour times smallerÆ.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been >multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKà324446
NLà347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKà178985
NLà167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKà20326
NLà26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLà5.4% of adults
UKà3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over
the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversĀ union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw >> my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >> a motorcycle, IĀm in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor IĀm
healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with >> cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support
their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly
one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular,
Āfour times smallerĀ.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been
multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKĀ 324446
NLĀ 347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKĀ 178985
NLĀ 167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKĀ 20326
NLĀ 26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLĀ 5.4% of adults
UKĀ 3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over
the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of that?
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train drivers? union Aslef >>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw >>> my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >>> a motorcycle, I?m in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor I?m
healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with >>> cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >>> their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >>> ?four times smaller?.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been
multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UK?324446
NL?347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UK?178985
NL?167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UK?20326
NL?26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NL?5.4% of adults
UK?3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over >>> the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
Inasmuch as they are just as dead either way, probably not.
The issue is that cyclists claim health benefits from cycling, but
mortality statistics suggest there arenÆt any.
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of
that?
You mean that thereÆs a benefit to the mantra that ôSomething must be done
to save the NHS (or whatever) from ill people; cycling is æsomethingÆ; so >cycling must be doneö?
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversĀ union Aslef >>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw >>> my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >>> a motorcycle, IĀm in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor IĀm
healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with >>> cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >>> their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >>> Āfour times smallerĀ.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been
multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKĀ 324446
NLĀ 347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKĀ 178985
NLĀ 167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKĀ 20326
NLĀ 26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLĀ 5.4% of adults
UKĀ 3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over >>> the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
Inasmuch as they are just as dead either way, probably not.
The issue is that cyclists claim health benefits from cycling, but
mortality statistics suggest there arenāt any.
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of
that?
You mean that thereās a benefit to the mantra that āSomething must be done
to save the NHS (or whatever) from ill people; cycling is āsomethingā; so cycling must be doneā?
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e-
bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef
said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have
a motorcycle, Iām in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor Iām healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, āfour times smallerā.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKā¦324446
NLā¦347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKā¦178985
NLā¦167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKā¦20326
NLā¦26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLā¦5.4% of adults
UKā¦3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over
the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Spike wrote:
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other >>>>>> Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of >>>>>> customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a >>>>>> series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground >>>>>> platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train drivers? union Aslef >>>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw
my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >>>> a motorcycle, I?m in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor I?m
healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with
cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >>>> their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented >>>> Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >>>> ?four times smaller?.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been >>>> multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UK?324446
NL?347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UK?178985
NL?167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UK?20326
NL?26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NL?5.4% of adults
UK?3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over >>>> the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
Inasmuch as they are just as dead either way, probably not.
I was more thinking about how someone feels before they die.
The issue is that cyclists claim health benefits from cycling, but
mortality statistics suggest there arenĀt any.
But if cyclists feel better because they think they are deriving health benefits from doing so, isn't that a useful belief for them to have?
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of >>> that?
You mean that thereĀs a benefit to the mantra that ĀSomething must be done >> to save the NHS (or whatever) from ill people; cycling is ĀsomethingĀ; so >> cycling must be doneĀ?
Nope.
On 27/03/25 22:34, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and
are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March.
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef >>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw >> my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >> a motorcycle, Iām in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor Iām
healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with >> cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support
their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly
one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular,
āfour times smallerā.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been
multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKā¦324446
NLā¦347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKā¦178985
NLā¦167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKā¦20326
NLā¦26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLā¦5.4% of adults
UKā¦3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over
the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
I am just stating my personal experience.
I know that an anecdote with a sample size of one with no control group
is not evidence of anything, especially considering biological variation
and all kinds of other confounding factors.
I am not so arrogant as to project my personal experience onto a large general population group and insisting that is the truth.
But I know damn' well that if I did no exercise whatever I would
probably be dead by now, by boredom if not from something else.
Besides i love my bike and the freedom and exhilaration it gives.
On 28/03/25 11:19, Spike wrote:
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other >>>>>> Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of >>>>>> customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a >>>>>> series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground >>>>>> platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversĀ union Aslef >>>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw
my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >>>> a motorcycle, IĀm in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor IĀm >>>> healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with
cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >>>> their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented >>>> Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >>>> Āfour times smallerĀ.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been >>>> multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKĀ 324446
NLĀ 347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKĀ 178985
NLĀ 167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKĀ 20326
NLĀ 26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLĀ 5.4% of adults
UKĀ 3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over >>>> the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
Inasmuch as they are just as dead either way, probably not.
The issue is that cyclists claim health benefits from cycling, but
mortality statistics suggest there arenāt any.
Did I generalise?
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of >>> that?
You mean that thereās a benefit to the mantra that āSomething must be done
to save the NHS (or whatever) from ill people; cycling is āsomethingā; so
cycling must be doneā?
No.
There is a benefit to the mantra that doing what you love doing and
feeling personally the beautiful effects on your body and mind is a
grerat good and pleasurable effect for me.
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 28/03/25 11:19, Spike wrote:
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>>>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other >>>>>>> Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over >>>>>>> igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London >>>>>>> Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of >>>>>>> customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a >>>>>>> series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground >>>>>>> platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversĀ union Aslef >>>>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on
bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw
my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have
a motorcycle, IĀm in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor IĀm >>>>> healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with
cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >>>>> their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented >>>>> Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>>>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >>>>> Āfour times smallerĀ.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been >>>>> multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKĀ 324446
NLĀ 347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKĀ 178985
NLĀ 167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKĀ 20326
NLĀ 26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLĀ 5.4% of adults
UKĀ 3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over >>>>> the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
Inasmuch as they are just as dead either way, probably not.
The issue is that cyclists claim health benefits from cycling, but
mortality statistics suggest there arenāt any.
Did I generalise?
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of >>>> that?
You mean that thereās a benefit to the mantra that āSomething must be done
to save the NHS (or whatever) from ill people; cycling is āsomethingā; so
cycling must be doneā?
No.
There is a benefit to the mantra that doing what you love doing and
feeling personally the beautiful effects on your body and mind is a
grerat good and pleasurable effect for me.
You could get the same, or even better results from learning and using a technique called Progressive Muscle Relaxation. Do it well and you could reach the endorphin-release stage (which isnāt mentioned in the article linked), which will then increase the state of relaxation. It costs
nothing, and you donāt even have to go outside!
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_muscle_relaxation>
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 22:34, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e- >>>>> bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other
Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over
igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London
Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of
customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a
series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground
platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversā union Aslef >>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on >>>>> bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw >>> my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have >>> a motorcycle, Iām in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor Iām >>> healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with >>> cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support >>> their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented
Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular, >>> āfour times smallerā.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been
multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKā¦324446
NLā¦347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKā¦178985
NLā¦167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKā¦20326
NLā¦26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLā¦5.4% of adults
UKā¦3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over >>> the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
I am just stating my personal experience.
So was I!
I know that an anecdote with a sample size of one with no control group
is not evidence of anything, especially considering biological variation
and all kinds of other confounding factors.
But we now have a sample size of two, by chance taken from the very
opposite ends of the cycling experience, which appear to have very similar results. It suggests that cycling is irrelevant when it comes to longevity and health.
I am not so arrogant as to project my personal experience onto a large
general population group and insisting that is the truth.
But I know damn' well that if I did no exercise whatever I would
probably be dead by now, by boredom if not from something else.
If you take that view, then you dismiss other factors that may have a considerable effect on longevity.
Besides i love my bike and the freedom and exhilaration it gives.
There is no reason you shouldnāt.
On 29/03/25 22:31, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 28/03/25 11:19, Spike wrote:
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/03/25 01:17, JNugent wrote:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/26/tfl-to-issue-ban-on-e-
bikes-after-concerns-over-igniting-batteries>
QUOTE:
Most e-bikes will be banned across the London Underground and other >>>>>>>> Transport for London services, after growing safety concerns over >>>>>>>> igniting batteries.
Only folding e-bikes, which are less likely to have been modified and >>>>>>>> are deemed less of a safety risk, will be permitted on the London >>>>>>>> Underground, Overground, Elizabeth Line and DLR trains from 31 March. >>>>>>>>
Transport for London (TfL) said the ban was to ensure the safety of >>>>>>>> customers and staff, in the wake of union threats to strike after a >>>>>>>> series of fires.
Last month, an e-bike exploded into flames on a London Underground >>>>>>>> platform at Rayners Lane, an incident the train driversĀ union Aslef >>>>>>>> said could have caused mass casualties.
ENDQUOTE
Fancy regarding the lives of other people as highly as those of chavs on
bikes!
Is TaL slipping?
Great news.
Bikes are for riding, not being transported.
My non-e bike has kept me strong and fit into my 80's.
Just for the record, I bicycled home from school on my 16th birthday, threw
my bicycle away, got on my motorcycle, and never looked back. I still have
a motorcycle, IĀm in my 80s, and according to data from my doctor IĀm >>>>>> healthier than most people of my age. None of which has anything to do with
cycling.
Cyclists talk up the alleged health benefits of cycling but never support
their assertions with data.
Figures show that for the five main killer diseases, the cycle-oriented >>>>>> Dutch die from them in the same proportions as the lardass Brits:
Keep in mind that the Dutch population at 17.2 million is almost exactly >>>>>> one-quarter of that of the UK at 68 million, or in the modern vernacular,
Āfour times smallerĀ.
To compare cases per year on a per-head basis, the NL figures have been >>>>>> multiplied by 4.
CVD:
UKĀ 324446
NLĀ 347880
Result: UK healthier for CVD.
IHD:
UKĀ 178985
NLĀ 167020
Result: NL slightly healthier for IHD
Stroke:
UKĀ 20326
NLĀ 26072
Result: UK healthier for stroke.
Diabetes:
NLĀ 5.4% of adults
UKĀ 3.9% of adults
Result: UK healthier for diabetes
COPD:
NL and UK ~200 deaths per million
Result: indistinguishable
Comment: any health benefits from the amount of cycling by the Dutch over
the Brits seem to be based more on wishful thinking than fact.
Does that really matter, though?
Inasmuch as they are just as dead either way, probably not.
The issue is that cyclists claim health benefits from cycling, but
mortality statistics suggest there arenāt any.
Did I generalise?
If you can benefit from a placebo effect,
aren't you (in many circumstances) lucky to be able to take advantage of >>>>> that?
You mean that thereās a benefit to the mantra that āSomething must be done
to save the NHS (or whatever) from ill people; cycling is āsomethingā; so
cycling must be doneā?
No.
There is a benefit to the mantra that doing what you love doing and
feeling personally the beautiful effects on your body and mind is a
grerat good and pleasurable effect for me.
You could get the same, or even better results from learning and using a
technique called Progressive Muscle Relaxation. Do it well and you could
reach the endorphin-release stage (which isnāt mentioned in the article
linked), which will then increase the state of relaxation. It costs
nothing, and you donāt even have to go outside!
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_muscle_relaxation>
I love going outside.
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
...
But if cyclists feel better because they think they are deriving health
benefits from doing so, isn't that a useful belief for them to have?
That sounds like the sort of benefit claimed by those who follow the tenets >of a religious persuasion. It isnÆt necessarily a bad thing, but is
probably irrelevant.
Spike wrote:
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
...
But if cyclists feel better because they think they are deriving health
benefits from doing so, isn't that a useful belief for them to have?
That sounds like the sort of benefit claimed by those who follow the tenets >> of a religious persuasion. It isnÆt necessarily a bad thing, but is
probably irrelevant.
I assume you say the sort of claimed benefit by cyclists, like those who follow the tenets of a religious persuasion, are probably irrelevant because they are probably untrue. But useful beliefs don't even necessarily have to be true, do they?
All they have to do is give you peace of mind while you hold them. Then,
when you die, should it turn out the beliefs you held were untrue - well, sure, they are irrelevant then. Still, however, they served their purpose while you were alive.
On 30/03/2025 12:13 AM, Skate wrote:
Spike wrote:
Skate <skate@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote:
...
But if cyclists feel better because they think they are deriving health >>>> benefits from doing so, isn't that a useful belief for them to have?
That sounds like the sort of benefit claimed by those who follow the tenets >>> of a religious persuasion. It isnÆt necessarily a bad thing, but is
probably irrelevant.
I assume you say the sort of claimed benefit by cyclists, like those who
follow the tenets of a religious persuasion, are probably irrelevant because >> they are probably untrue. But useful beliefs don't even necessarily have to >> be true, do they?
All they have to do is give you peace of mind while you hold them. Then,
when you die, should it turn out the beliefs you held were untrue - well,
sure, they are irrelevant then. Still, however, they served their purpose
while you were alive.
That's fair enough.
But only while it does not do harm, or demand that harm be done, to
third parties or the interests of said third parties.