• Re: CCTV capture card for new PC & Zoneminder - Update

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Oct 5 11:46:02 2024
    Davey wrote:

    when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator.

    I've never encountered computer fans with stepper motors.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to The Nomad on Sat Oct 5 11:26:59 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:41:43 -0000 (UTC)
    The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:19:29 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried deep in
    the Unsupported file. There is no mention of available
    documentation. The vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so
    has no idea about Linux use. My question is, is it
    possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu would pick it up and go
    with it without any any further configuration?
    The capture chip looks to be supported by LinuxTV

    <https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_Fusion_878A>

    the other major chip on the card is a PCI/PCIe bridge

    Indeed I ran a couple for ages (PCI not PCIe) work well

    Or <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364218770565>

    HTH

    Avpx



    I ordered the used PCIe card yesterday. Let's hope it works!

    But: When I powered up the PC this morning, I had removed the PCIE-PCI
    card completely, fully expecting a trouble-free boot. It was not to be, however. I got the familiar 'trouble with CPU fan control, enter BIOS'
    message, which showed the familiar slow CPU fan speed and hinted at a
    problem with temperature monitoring. I exited the BIOS, shut the PC off,
    and rebooted, on which the fan did not start at all. I knew already
    that, when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator. This time, it felt
    similar, but I was able to physically get it started, and from then on,
    it ran (is still running) fine.
    Does this mean that I have somehow borked something in the BIOS? It is possible. If it is, I will contact the manufacturer, own up to what I
    have done, and see what they say. They have Remote Access to
    investigate and fix problems. It's not much use if I have to kick-start
    the fan every time it's booted up.

    This one is not over yet.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Oct 5 12:58:36 2024
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:46:02 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator.

    I've never encountered computer fans with stepper motors.

    Hmmm. Puzzled, then. It makes a very slight chugging sound, similar to,
    but not exactly like*, a bad bearing. It is almost inaudible with the
    side installed on the PC, though.

    * Thoughts of Peter Jones in "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy":
    'The vending machine produced something almost completely, but not
    totally, unlike tea'.

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    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Oct 5 17:35:39 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:46:02 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator.

    I've never encountered computer fans with stepper motors.

    Hmmm. Puzzled, then. It makes a very slight chugging sound, similar to,
    but not exactly like*, a bad bearing. It is almost inaudible with the
    side installed on the PC, though.

    I've never come across a PC fan that won't spin by hand when powered off.
    It sounds like it's either powered but not enough to overcome friction to
    start (eg low voltage or speed control set too low), or bearings badly
    binding.

    As you say it's not spinning when unpowered (ie PC turned off), that rules
    out the first one. I'm thinking it would be worth changing the fan.

    It sounds like this is probably a red herring in relation to your capture
    card issues.

    Theo

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Oct 5 18:22:55 2024
    On 05 Oct 2024 17:35:39 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:46:02 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator.

    I've never encountered computer fans with stepper motors.

    Hmmm. Puzzled, then. It makes a very slight chugging sound, similar
    to, but not exactly like*, a bad bearing. It is almost inaudible
    with the side installed on the PC, though.

    I've never come across a PC fan that won't spin by hand when powered
    off. It sounds like it's either powered but not enough to overcome
    friction to start (eg low voltage or speed control set too low), or
    bearings badly binding.

    As you say it's not spinning when unpowered (ie PC turned off), that
    rules out the first one. I'm thinking it would be worth changing the
    fan.

    It sounds like this is probably a red herring in relation to your
    capture card issues.

    Theo

    Ok, that makes sense. Maybe I'll report the fan problems to the
    manufacturer as is, and see what they come up with. I must admit that I
    can't see how even a momentary pull-down of power when the adaptor card
    was first fully connected would still have repercussions now. But
    what do I know? That's why I'm asking here! The PC was supposed to have
    gone through a several days-long test after being built. The fan
    concerned is on the ASUS motherboard.

    When I next power it up, I'll take a photo of what the screen
    shows, when it first tells me to open the BIOS, and then what the BIOS
    screen shows. Maybe I can add a sound file of the noise the fan makes,
    the manufacturer might be able to diagnose something from that
    information.

    If the PCIE card arrives tomorrow, I'll still try that.

    More later....
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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Oct 6 16:15:01 2024
    On 05 Oct 2024 17:35:39 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:46:02 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator.

    I've never encountered computer fans with stepper motors.

    Hmmm. Puzzled, then. It makes a very slight chugging sound, similar
    to, but not exactly like*, a bad bearing. It is almost inaudible
    with the side installed on the PC, though.

    I've never come across a PC fan that won't spin by hand when powered
    off. It sounds like it's either powered but not enough to overcome
    friction to start (eg low voltage or speed control set too low), or
    bearings badly binding.

    As you say it's not spinning when unpowered (ie PC turned off), that
    rules out the first one. I'm thinking it would be worth changing the
    fan.

    It sounds like this is probably a red herring in relation to your
    capture card issues.

    Theo

    On bootup this morning, I got the familiar warning about bad fan
    control, and went into the BIOS. The CPU fan, the problem one, was not
    running, confirmed by the lack of noise. I opened the PC up, and
    flicked the fan, which then slowly sped up. I also made some changes to
    the Fan Speed profile, to try to encourage it to start up on its
    own. I shut it down, and when it was at rest, I checked the fan again,
    and now it spins freely. I took several photos along the way, for later analysis if required.
    When I powered back up, all worked well. I shut it down, and will
    reboot it shortly to see how it does.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Oct 7 10:03:55 2024
    On 05 Oct 2024 17:35:39 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:46:02 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    when unpowered, it will not rotate, being presumably under the
    total control of some stepper-type operator.

    I've never encountered computer fans with stepper motors.

    Hmmm. Puzzled, then. It makes a very slight chugging sound, similar
    to, but not exactly like*, a bad bearing. It is almost inaudible
    with the side installed on the PC, though.

    I've never come across a PC fan that won't spin by hand when powered
    off. It sounds like it's either powered but not enough to overcome
    friction to start (eg low voltage or speed control set too low), or
    bearings badly binding.

    As you say it's not spinning when unpowered (ie PC turned off), that
    rules out the first one. I'm thinking it would be worth changing the
    fan.

    It sounds like this is probably a red herring in relation to your
    capture card issues.

    Theo

    There seems to be progress, if anybody is still interested in this
    saga.
    When I fired it up yesterday afternoon, it started up perfectly. A
    noiseless fan, no warnings about Low Fan Speed or instructions to open
    the BIOS, it just worked.
    After I shut it down, I tried the fan, and it spun freely. I wonder if,
    when I tried it before and it would not spin, did I have a hold of the
    shroud around the impeller instead of the impeller itself? I will never
    know. But it would explain the lack of movement.
    I shut it down for the night, and again this morning, it started fine. I
    opened the BIOS anyway, to check how I had left the fan speed control.
    It is set at a manually set low speed of 30%, instead of the delivered
    auto speed of 20%. Maybe I'll try 20% next time.

    The new video card should arrive soon......

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Oct 1 12:40:48 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    When I was setting it up, I noticed that I could not hear any sounds,
    even though there was a speaker pair plugged in. Adjustments to the
    volume control eventually produced some Test sounds, but only with
    both the Volume and even the 'volume amplifier' setting both at
    maximum. The sound could just be heard with the speakers held close to
    the ear. The manufacturer suggested going back into Windows, and
    downloading a Driver Downloader Uninstaller, which would clean out and re-install the Windows sound drivers. But even if this works, it's in Windows, not Linux. Trying to install and run this was a mass exercise
    in demonstrating why I hate Windows.

    Are you sure you aren't exporting sound via the HDMI (or Displayport)? It's
    a common way to use monitor/TV speakers nowadays, and it's possible the
    sound is going there - but if your monitor doesn't have speakers then you wouldn't hear anything.

    Although it sounds like the audio output does work, but perhaps the mixer volume is wrong. That could be influenced by software.

    Have you tried headphones, in case it's something related to the speakers?

    Do the speakers need external power? I used to have a set where they would
    be passive if the internal amplifier wasn't powered, resulting in much
    quieter volume.

    I hate to think about sending it back, with all the hassle involved,
    when I don't actually need sound on this particular machine. I have
    installed Zoneminder, (quite a long process there), and I have purchased
    a PCIe-to-PCI adapter card, but I have not installed it yet, pending
    the final decision on what to do, if anything, with the sound problem.
    They are sending me a Windows driver of some sort to help, I hope. The non-activated Windows will not let me access the Windows settings to
    test the speaker output.
    I am going to try playing about with alsa-mixer and pavucontrol to see
    if they help at all. After lunch, that is.

    Worst case, a USB audio output dongle is less than a tenner. Probably less cost than the postage to send it back.

    Theo

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Oct 1 12:16:06 2024
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:20:25 +0100
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:00:18 +0100
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 15 Sep 2024 14:47:18 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    Called a " a PCI to PCIe adaptor card" by me at 10:25? The same
    thing, just different names. Although I agree that putting
    'PCIe" before "PCI" is a more logical construction. Whatever we
    call it, it looks like the way to go, in my situation.
    I don't like refurbished PCs, anyway.

    You may have a problem with mounting - the adapter card adds maybe
    1-1.5" to the height of your card. Depends on how tall your PCI
    card is. You'll probably need to take the backplate off, but it
    may be short enough to fit in a full height PCIe slot.

    If this is problematic you can get PCIe 'riser' cables. Random
    example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/GLOTRENDS-Riser-Function-Features-Degree-Black/dp/B0CHRZQNRK/
    (various lengths and x1 / x4 / x8 / x16 available, many different designs)

    and then mount the card elsewhere in the case.

    If you're buying a new PC anyway there are a few mobos with native
    PCI slots: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#d=1,6&sort=price&page=1

    Most of them are for old CPUs, but those with AM4, AM5, LGA1200 or LGA1700 CPU sockets are fairly modern: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#d=1,6&sort=price&s=33,41,39,40

    Theo

    Thanks. I will probably get the PC first, and then I can look inside
    and see what space there is, and therefore what I need to get to a
    PCI slot. Luckily, my existing system is still working, so it is not urgent. I will continue to report progress.


    The new PC is ordered, from PC Specialists, who provided my laptop. A
    shame they don't do Linux, but nobody is perfect. I will install that
    myself.
    First, I will get it sorted without any hint of Zoneminder, it's other
    job will be to take over as my daily backup device. I will also take
    a look inside to see what room there is for PCI adaptors.


    Ok. The new PC arrived, and is on its way to being populated with the
    stuff I want on it. My OS is Ubuntu 22.04, ver. 24.04 is too different
    for me to battle with for now.
    The only problem I have with PCSpecialists is that they don't support
    Linux, they install a test version of Windows 11 (spit) that does
    minimal things, and wants you to Activate Windows, for the sum £199.99
    before it will do very much of anything except send you lots of
    advertising.

    Remember that the purpose of getting this PC is to work as a
    Zoneminder operator, and a backup for my laptop's daily workings. There
    is no intention to use it as a full-blown desktop PC. It will sit in a
    dark rarely-used room.
    When I was setting it up, I noticed that I could not hear any sounds,
    even though there was a speaker pair plugged in. Adjustments to the
    volume control eventually produced some Test sounds, but only with
    both the Volume and even the 'volume amplifier' setting both at
    maximum. The sound could just be heard with the speakers held close to
    the ear. The manufacturer suggested going back into Windows, and
    downloading a Driver Downloader Uninstaller, which would clean out and re-install the Windows sound drivers. But even if this works, it's in
    Windows, not Linux. Trying to install and run this was a mass exercise
    in demonstrating why I hate Windows.
    I hate to think about sending it back, with all the hassle involved,
    when I don't actually need sound on this particular machine. I have
    installed Zoneminder, (quite a long process there), and I have purchased
    a PCIe-to-PCI adapter card, but I have not installed it yet, pending
    the final decision on what to do, if anything, with the sound problem.
    They are sending me a Windows driver of some sort to help, I hope. The non-activated Windows will not let me access the Windows settings to
    test the speaker output.
    I am going to try playing about with alsa-mixer and pavucontrol to see
    if they help at all. After lunch, that is.

    More later, this one 'has legs'.

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    Davey.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Oct 1 14:05:28 2024
    Davey wrote:

    That is why I am going to play with alsa-mixer. It's a long tie sonce I
    last did, but it worked then.

    pulseaudio and/or pipewire might be sticking their oar in ...

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Tue Oct 1 13:53:58 2024
    On 01 Oct 2024 12:40:48 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    When I was setting it up, I noticed that I could not hear any
    sounds, even though there was a speaker pair plugged in.
    Adjustments to the volume control eventually produced some Test
    sounds, but only with both the Volume and even the 'volume
    amplifier' setting both at maximum. The sound could just be heard
    with the speakers held close to the ear. The manufacturer suggested
    going back into Windows, and downloading a Driver Downloader
    Uninstaller, which would clean out and re-install the Windows sound drivers. But even if this works, it's in Windows, not Linux. Trying
    to install and run this was a mass exercise in demonstrating why I
    hate Windows.

    Are you sure you aren't exporting sound via the HDMI (or
    Displayport)? It's a common way to use monitor/TV speakers nowadays,
    and it's possible the sound is going there - but if your monitor
    doesn't have speakers then you wouldn't hear anything.


    Responses inline.

    Although it sounds like the audio output does work, but perhaps the
    mixer volume is wrong. That could be influenced by software.

    That is why I am going to play with alsa-mixer. It's a long tie sonce I
    last did, but it worked then.

    Have you tried headphones, in case it's something related to the
    speakers?

    No, but I have tried earbuds, all work in other PCs' audio-out
    sockets.

    Do the speakers need external power? I used to have a set where they
    would be passive if the internal amplifier wasn't powered, resulting
    in much quieter volume.

    None of those I have tried need external power.

    I hate to think about sending it back, with all the hassle involved,
    when I don't actually need sound on this particular machine. I have installed Zoneminder, (quite a long process there), and I have
    purchased a PCIe-to-PCI adapter card, but I have not installed it
    yet, pending the final decision on what to do, if anything, with
    the sound problem. They are sending me a Windows driver of some
    sort to help, I hope. The non-activated Windows will not let me
    access the Windows settings to test the speaker output.
    I am going to try playing about with alsa-mixer and pavucontrol to
    see if they help at all. After lunch, that is.

    Worst case, a USB audio output dongle is less than a tenner.
    Probably less cost than the postage to send it back.


    That would be a very simple and cheap solution, if I really do need one. Thanks.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Oct 2 09:58:40 2024
    On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:05:28 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    That is why I am going to play with alsa-mixer. It's a long tie
    sonce I last did, but it worked then.

    pulseaudio and/or pipewire might be sticking their oar in ...


    After some inconclusive and time-wasting testing yesterday evening, I
    have decided to abandon, at least for now, the search for sound. It is
    not required for this PC, so wasting time is pointless. I have informed
    the supplier's online techies. about this.
    I have ordered a USB Sound dongle, for the princely sum of £6.99.

    So the next thing is to install the capture card. The limited
    instructions say to mount it, without any PCI card installed at
    first, and let it install its own drivers. There is a SCSI cable
    connection, advice seems to be to install that as well, to provide
    power to the future PCI card. I need to see if the new card socket and
    the cable supplied with the PC match.

    I was recommended to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MIoC-CdEQw
    which explains, sort of, how to install one of these cards. But I
    am confused about at least one thing. I am sure there will be more as
    (if) this progresses.

    In that video, he uses Windows. After installation, he then* calls up a
    screen (BIOS?) that tells him whether or not the PC, a UEFI one like
    mine, sees the new card that he then installs. Will this be the same on
    my machine, and if so, how do I configure the BIOS to allow the legacy
    BIOS to be seen and used?
    I am clearly well out of my comfort zone here!

    * At about 4' 30" into the video.

    Any help very much appreciated.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Oct 2 10:18:24 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    I was recommended to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MIoC-CdEQw
    which explains, sort of, how to install one of these cards. But I
    am confused about at least one thing. I am sure there will be more as
    (if) this progresses.

    In that video, he uses Windows. After installation, he then* calls up a screen (BIOS?) that tells him whether or not the PC, a UEFI one like
    mine, sees the new card that he then installs. Will this be the same on
    my machine, and if so, how do I configure the BIOS to allow the legacy
    BIOS to be seen and used?
    I am clearly well out of my comfort zone here!

    I think you're using it just for the video capture card here?

    In which case it doesn't matter if the BIOS doesn't see it, because you're
    not booting from it. It's fine if the card is ignored until in your OS,
    since your OS will boot from some SSD/HDD that's not connected via the PCI slot. The BIOS doesn't know or care about the video capture card, it's only bothered by discs and displays (both of which Adrian was trying to get to work), and the capture card doesn't have any firmware on it that's run at
    boot.

    Once the OS is booted, I think Linux will likely support such a PCIe-PCI
    bridge out of the box - there are no drivers you can install. So either
    it'll work or it won't, but probably you can just plug in the video capture card into the PCI slot and it'll be detected in Linux (check 'lspci').

    As the video suggests, things can be variable though. I tried one in the reverse direction - PCIe card in PCI slot, in a RISC OS machine not a PC -
    and just its presence stopped the machine from booting. But new into old is probably harder than old into new.

    Theo

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Oct 2 10:23:36 2024
    On 02 Oct 2024 10:18:24 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    I was recommended to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MIoC-CdEQw
    which explains, sort of, how to install one of these cards. But I
    am confused about at least one thing. I am sure there will be more
    as (if) this progresses.

    In that video, he uses Windows. After installation, he then* calls
    up a screen (BIOS?) that tells him whether or not the PC, a UEFI
    one like mine, sees the new card that he then installs. Will this
    be the same on my machine, and if so, how do I configure the BIOS
    to allow the legacy BIOS to be seen and used?
    I am clearly well out of my comfort zone here!

    I think you're using it just for the video capture card here?

    In which case it doesn't matter if the BIOS doesn't see it, because
    you're not booting from it. It's fine if the card is ignored until
    in your OS, since your OS will boot from some SSD/HDD that's not
    connected via the PCI slot. The BIOS doesn't know or care about the
    video capture card, it's only bothered by discs and displays (both of
    which Adrian was trying to get to work), and the capture card doesn't
    have any firmware on it that's run at boot.

    Once the OS is booted, I think Linux will likely support such a
    PCIe-PCI bridge out of the box - there are no drivers you can
    install. So either it'll work or it won't, but probably you can just
    plug in the video capture card into the PCI slot and it'll be
    detected in Linux (check 'lspci').

    As the video suggests, things can be variable though. I tried one in
    the reverse direction - PCIe card in PCI slot, in a RISC OS machine
    not a PC - and just its presence stopped the machine from booting.
    But new into old is probably harder than old into new.

    Theo

    Thanks for the encouragement! Yes, it is for the video capture card,
    but to leave that in operation in the old PC until I am ready for it, I
    have an old but unused Wifi PCI card available, which I hope will do
    the job of test mule.

    More when there is more.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Oct 2 12:36:34 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    I installed the first card that plugs into the motherboard, and ran the
    USB cable out through the next backplate slot, as that is where the
    video card will sit. For now, the PCI board sits on top of the PC, the
    bottom of it is well protected from touching anything. Later, it will
    hang off the rear of the video card, assuming I get that far!
    Due to operator error, I didn't see what happened, if anything, on the
    screen after powering up the PC, but the new PCI slot board has the
    little blue light glowing, which implies that it is happy.
    But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC has a different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin connector instead of
    a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin plug at each end.
    I am confused about the gender of the socket on the PCI board, is it
    male or a female, the difference seems to be very small to the untrained
    eye?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CXSYTRH3?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

    shows the board. I will assume that the SATA connector is female,
    needing a male plug, but another opinion would be welcomed. I am in an unknown world here.

    But looking at SATA cables, maybe the PC motherboard, which is described
    as having 6Gb/s SATA sockets, may not be capable of supplying actual
    power? I am confused. Again.

    The SATA connector is for power, because the USB 3 cable can only carry a
    small amount of current from the motherboard. Plug in a SATA power
    connector from your PSU and you can power a beefy PCI card like a GPU from
    the PSU directly.

    It doesn't want anything to do with SATA data from the mobo.

    It may or may not work without the SATA power cable being connected, but
    better to supply power via the SATA connector and avoid brownouts.

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Oct 2 12:59:00 2024
    Davey wrote:

    the new PCI slot board has the
    little blue light glowing, which implies that it is happy.
    But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC has a different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin connector instead of
    a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin plug at each end.
    I am confused about the gender of the socket on the PCI board, is it
    male or a female, the difference seems to be very small to the untrained
    eye?

    The SATA 15pin connector is to supply power to the PCI slots, if your
    PSU doesn't have a spare sata power plug on one of the drive cables, you
    could get a molex->sata cable e.g.

    <https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00009YFTI>

    that one just has red 5V and yellow 12V, I highly doubt yu need the
    version with salmon 3.3V as well.

    If you have no spare molex plug, you can get a splitter.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Oct 2 12:41:44 2024
    On 02 Oct 2024 12:36:34 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    I installed the first card that plugs into the motherboard, and ran
    the USB cable out through the next backplate slot, as that is where
    the video card will sit. For now, the PCI board sits on top of the
    PC, the bottom of it is well protected from touching anything.
    Later, it will hang off the rear of the video card, assuming I get
    that far! Due to operator error, I didn't see what happened, if
    anything, on the screen after powering up the PC, but the new PCI
    slot board has the little blue light glowing, which implies that it
    is happy. But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC
    has a different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin connector instead of a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin plug
    at each end. I am confused about the gender of the socket on the
    PCI board, is it male or a female, the difference seems to be very
    small to the untrained eye?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CXSYTRH3?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

    shows the board. I will assume that the SATA connector is female,
    needing a male plug, but another opinion would be welcomed. I am in
    an unknown world here.

    But looking at SATA cables, maybe the PC motherboard, which is
    described as having 6Gb/s SATA sockets, may not be capable of
    supplying actual power? I am confused. Again.

    The SATA connector is for power, because the USB 3 cable can only
    carry a small amount of current from the motherboard. Plug in a SATA
    power connector from your PSU and you can power a beefy PCI card like
    a GPU from the PSU directly.

    It doesn't want anything to do with SATA data from the mobo.

    It may or may not work without the SATA power cable being connected,
    but better to supply power via the SATA connector and avoid brownouts.

    Theo

    Ah, Ok. I'll look at the PSU and see what I can find. Forget the
    sockets on the motherboard, than.
    Thanks!

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Oct 2 12:28:43 2024
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 10:23:36 +0100
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2024 10:18:24 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    I was recommended to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MIoC-CdEQw
    which explains, sort of, how to install one of these cards. But I
    am confused about at least one thing. I am sure there will be more
    as (if) this progresses.

    In that video, he uses Windows. After installation, he then* calls
    up a screen (BIOS?) that tells him whether or not the PC, a UEFI
    one like mine, sees the new card that he then installs. Will this
    be the same on my machine, and if so, how do I configure the BIOS
    to allow the legacy BIOS to be seen and used?
    I am clearly well out of my comfort zone here!

    I think you're using it just for the video capture card here?

    In which case it doesn't matter if the BIOS doesn't see it, because
    you're not booting from it. It's fine if the card is ignored until
    in your OS, since your OS will boot from some SSD/HDD that's not
    connected via the PCI slot. The BIOS doesn't know or care about the
    video capture card, it's only bothered by discs and displays (both
    of which Adrian was trying to get to work), and the capture card
    doesn't have any firmware on it that's run at boot.

    Once the OS is booted, I think Linux will likely support such a
    PCIe-PCI bridge out of the box - there are no drivers you can
    install. So either it'll work or it won't, but probably you can
    just plug in the video capture card into the PCI slot and it'll be
    detected in Linux (check 'lspci').

    As the video suggests, things can be variable though. I tried one
    in the reverse direction - PCIe card in PCI slot, in a RISC OS
    machine not a PC - and just its presence stopped the machine from
    booting. But new into old is probably harder than old into new.

    Theo

    Thanks for the encouragement! Yes, it is for the video capture card,
    but to leave that in operation in the old PC until I am ready for it,
    I have an old but unused Wifi PCI card available, which I hope will do
    the job of test mule.

    More when there is more.


    I installed the first card that plugs into the motherboard, and ran the
    USB cable out through the next backplate slot, as that is where the
    video card will sit. For now, the PCI board sits on top of the PC, the
    bottom of it is well protected from touching anything. Later, it will
    hang off the rear of the video card, assuming I get that far!
    Due to operator error, I didn't see what happened, if anything, on the
    screen after powering up the PC, but the new PCI slot board has the
    little blue light glowing, which implies that it is happy.
    But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC has a different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin connector instead of
    a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin plug at each end.
    I am confused about the gender of the socket on the PCI board, is it
    male or a female, the difference seems to be very small to the untrained
    eye?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CXSYTRH3?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

    shows the board. I will assume that the SATA connector is female,
    needing a male plug, but another opinion would be welcomed. I am in an
    unknown world here.

    But looking at SATA cables, maybe the PC motherboard, which is described
    as having 6Gb/s SATA sockets, may not be capable of supplying actual
    power? I am confused. Again.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Oct 2 14:14:26 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:59:00 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    the new PCI slot board has the
    little blue light glowing, which implies that it is happy.
    But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC has a
    different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin
    connector instead of a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin plug
    at each end. I am confused about the gender of the socket on the
    PCI board, is it male or a female, the difference seems to be very
    small to the untrained eye?

    The SATA 15pin connector is to supply power to the PCI slots, if your
    PSU doesn't have a spare sata power plug on one of the drive cables,
    you could get a molex->sata cable e.g.

    <https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00009YFTI>

    that one just has red 5V and yellow 12V, I highly doubt yu need the
    version with salmon 3.3V as well.

    PCI is +/-12V, +5V and +3.3V. Some cards are 5V and some are 3.3V.
    Depending on how lazy the adapter manufacturer has been, I wouldn't be surprised if the card needs all these rails to come from the PSU, rather
    than taking 5V and regulating it down.

    There's no voltage conversion circuit on the front of the board - no pics of the back, but I suspect they cheapskate out of it. So I wouldn't assume a Molex adapter will work.

    Theo

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Oct 2 13:31:54 2024
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:59:00 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    the new PCI slot board has the
    little blue light glowing, which implies that it is happy.
    But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC has a
    different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin
    connector instead of a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin plug
    at each end. I am confused about the gender of the socket on the
    PCI board, is it male or a female, the difference seems to be very
    small to the untrained eye?

    The SATA 15pin connector is to supply power to the PCI slots, if your
    PSU doesn't have a spare sata power plug on one of the drive cables,
    you could get a molex->sata cable e.g.

    <https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00009YFTI>

    that one just has red 5V and yellow 12V, I highly doubt yu need the
    version with salmon 3.3V as well.

    If you have no spare molex plug, you can get a splitter.

    Thanks. I'll be looking at the PSU later this afternoon.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Oct 2 16:04:34 2024
    On 02 Oct 2024 14:14:26 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:59:00 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    the new PCI slot board has the
    little blue light glowing, which implies that it is happy.
    But the SATA cable supplied as a spare part with the PC has a
    different connector for the PCI board end, it needs a 15-pin
    connector instead of a 7-pin. The supplied cable has a 7-pin
    plug at each end. I am confused about the gender of the socket
    on the PCI board, is it male or a female, the difference seems
    to be very small to the untrained eye?

    The SATA 15pin connector is to supply power to the PCI slots, if
    your PSU doesn't have a spare sata power plug on one of the drive
    cables, you could get a molex->sata cable e.g.

    <https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00009YFTI>

    that one just has red 5V and yellow 12V, I highly doubt yu need
    the version with salmon 3.3V as well.

    PCI is +/-12V, +5V and +3.3V. Some cards are 5V and some are 3.3V.
    Depending on how lazy the adapter manufacturer has been, I wouldn't be surprised if the card needs all these rails to come from the PSU,
    rather than taking 5V and regulating it down.

    There's no voltage conversion circuit on the front of the board - no
    pics of the back, but I suspect they cheapskate out of it. So I
    wouldn't assume a Molex adapter will work.

    Theo

    As it happens, I found a pair of cables neatly tied up in the case that
    would hold any front-mounted drives. They both have exactly the
    connector I need, and a Molex connector. Problem solved.
    So I moved on to the next stage. The card that I thought was an unused
    Wifi card is in fact a 'phone modem card 9(!), probably worth some
    money as a museum piece. I therefore bit the bullet, and removed the
    actual video card from the old PC, and moved it to the new one. I had
    already seen that there was going to be a big interference trying to
    fit both the adapter socket card and the video card into the spare
    slots, as the card is too big once it's in the socket. Hmm. But for
    testing, I ran both the USB cable and the SATA cable out through the
    next slot, and put the card on the table, for testing.
    The PC had been on its side for a while. When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there was a
    warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan was not
    running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on, it ran at varying
    speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the PSU is a: Underpowered to
    run the video card (unlikely), b: confused, c: Maybe there is a problem
    with the volts needed by the PCI card; d: all of the above. This will
    require monitoring.

    'lspci' saw the card, which is good.

    Now I need to make a box for the socket card. At the moment, the video
    card is back in its old place, still doing its job.

    So we have progress, with caveats.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Oct 2 16:48:06 2024
    Davey wrote:

    When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there was a
    warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan was not
    running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on, it ran at varying speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the PSU is a: Underpowered

    I suspect the fan's bearing has dried up and powering it off/on, or
    moving the case about has given it a chance to start acting up, dab a
    drop of light oil on the bearing, perhaps?

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Oct 2 16:55:34 2024
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:48:06 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there was a
    warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan was not
    running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on, it ran at
    varying speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the PSU is a:
    Underpowered

    I suspect the fan's bearing has dried up and powering it off/on, or
    moving the case about has given it a chance to start acting up, dab a
    drop of light oil on the bearing, perhaps?

    Possibly. But it is a brand new PC, so it shouldn't have dried out yet.
    I'll keep an eye on it, oil ready if needed.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Oct 3 10:22:23 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:48:06 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there was a
    warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan was not
    running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on, it ran at
    varying speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the PSU is a: Underpowered

    I suspect the fan's bearing has dried up and powering it off/on, or
    moving the case about has given it a chance to start acting up, dab a
    drop of light oil on the bearing, perhaps?

    Possibly. But it is a brand new PC, so it shouldn't have dried out yet.
    I'll keep an eye on it, oil ready if needed.

    I'm confused - I thought you were talking about the fan on the video capture card that you transferred from the old PC? Or do you mean a fan on the CPU
    / GPU / motherboard / in the case?

    Modern PCs have variable speed fans - like laptops, they only spin the fans
    as fast as they need, based on temperature sensors. So changing speed is a feature not a bug. Although I wouldn't have expected speed to change based
    on a tap, perhaps it was coincidence that it happened to decide to spin up
    the fan at that time?

    Theo

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Thu Oct 3 12:53:45 2024
    On 03 Oct 2024 10:22:23 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:48:06 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there was
    a warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan was not running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on, it ran at
    varying speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the PSU is a: Underpowered

    I suspect the fan's bearing has dried up and powering it off/on,
    or moving the case about has given it a chance to start acting
    up, dab a drop of light oil on the bearing, perhaps?

    Possibly. But it is a brand new PC, so it shouldn't have dried out
    yet. I'll keep an eye on it, oil ready if needed.

    I'm confused - I thought you were talking about the fan on the video
    capture card that you transferred from the old PC? Or do you mean a
    fan on the CPU / GPU / motherboard / in the case?

    Modern PCs have variable speed fans - like laptops, they only spin
    the fans as fast as they need, based on temperature sensors. So
    changing speed is a feature not a bug. Although I wouldn't have
    expected speed to change based on a tap, perhaps it was coincidence
    that it happened to decide to spin up the fan at that time?

    Theo

    Yes, it was the fan on the motherboard. When I powered it up, I was
    given a warning that there was a problem, and told to open the BIOS,
    which displays fan speed. Once I had tapped the fan and started it
    spinning, the speed display matched the sound of the fan, as it went
    into speed ranges that I had never heard before. Maybe it was just
    getting the temperature sorted out.
    The next time I boot up, without the video card installed, I will go
    into the BIOS and watch what happens.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Oct 4 11:17:08 2024
    On 03 Oct 2024 10:22:23 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:48:06 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there was
    a warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan was not running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on, it ran at
    varying speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the PSU is a: Underpowered

    I suspect the fan's bearing has dried up and powering it off/on,
    or moving the case about has given it a chance to start acting
    up, dab a drop of light oil on the bearing, perhaps?

    Possibly. But it is a brand new PC, so it shouldn't have dried out
    yet. I'll keep an eye on it, oil ready if needed.

    I'm confused - I thought you were talking about the fan on the video
    capture card that you transferred from the old PC? Or do you mean a
    fan on the CPU / GPU / motherboard / in the case?

    Modern PCs have variable speed fans - like laptops, they only spin
    the fans as fast as they need, based on temperature sensors. So
    changing speed is a feature not a bug. Although I wouldn't have
    expected speed to change based on a tap, perhaps it was coincidence
    that it happened to decide to spin up the fan at that time?

    Theo

    Ok. I did some testing yesterday, trying to pin down what is happening.
    When I boot up the PC with only the adapter card connected, without the
    SATA cable, it always works with no problem.
    But once I start to add more, such as the SATA cable, the fan control
    has difficulties. Often, if the message comes up that there is a
    problem, and to go into the BIOS, just doing that and waiting for a few
    minutes will let it sort itself out. Nothing needs to actually be done.
    I tried it with the video card installed, and it really did not like it.
    It still sorted itself out, but I don't know if it would have done if I
    had not gone into the BIOS. Maybe another test. Not the way I breally
    want a system boot to progress.
    Knowing this, it is clear that there is something not happy. And that
    usually means trouble down the road. So I am looking on e-bay for a
    used PCIe x1 video card. I found one last night, but I have not done
    anything about ordering it, and I know it might be gone by the time I
    get around to it, if I decide to go that route. There will be another
    one sometime. But £80 is a lot better than £270 for a new one.
    Meanwhile, I have got the Zoneminder working, it displays the image
    from my garage camera, which uses Wifi to transmit its signal back to
    the router. The actual cameras need me to move their power supply etc
    etc, so they will wait, the two PCs are in different rooms. But the
    programme is running successfully.
    Progress, one step at a time.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Oct 4 13:53:25 2024
    On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 12:53:45 +0100
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 03 Oct 2024 10:22:23 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:48:06 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    When I powered it up for the
    first time with the video card installed and powered, there
    was a warning about Fan speed. I looked inside, and the fan
    was not running, but a quick tap made it start. From then on,
    it ran at varying speeds, so something is affected. Maybe the
    PSU is a: Underpowered

    I suspect the fan's bearing has dried up and powering it off/on,
    or moving the case about has given it a chance to start acting
    up, dab a drop of light oil on the bearing, perhaps?

    Possibly. But it is a brand new PC, so it shouldn't have dried out
    yet. I'll keep an eye on it, oil ready if needed.

    I'm confused - I thought you were talking about the fan on the video capture card that you transferred from the old PC? Or do you mean a
    fan on the CPU / GPU / motherboard / in the case?

    Modern PCs have variable speed fans - like laptops, they only spin
    the fans as fast as they need, based on temperature sensors. So
    changing speed is a feature not a bug. Although I wouldn't have
    expected speed to change based on a tap, perhaps it was coincidence
    that it happened to decide to spin up the fan at that time?

    Theo

    Yes, it was the fan on the motherboard. When I powered it up, I was
    given a warning that there was a problem, and told to open the BIOS,
    which displays fan speed. Once I had tapped the fan and started it
    spinning, the speed display matched the sound of the fan, as it went
    into speed ranges that I had never heard before. Maybe it was just
    getting the temperature sorted out.
    The next time I boot up, without the video card installed, I will go
    into the BIOS and watch what happens.


    The card I looked at is:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried
    deep in the Unsupported file. There is no mention of available
    documentation. The vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so has
    no idea about Linux use. My question is, is it
    possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu would pick it up and go with
    it without any any further configuration?

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Daniel James@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Oct 4 15:08:01 2024
    On 04/10/2024 11:17, Davey wrote:
    Ok. I did some testing yesterday, trying to pin down what is happening.
    When I boot up the PC with only the adapter card connected, without the
    SATA cable, it always works with no problem.
    But once I start to add more, such as the SATA cable, the fan control
    has difficulties. Often, if the message comes up that there is a
    problem, and to go into the BIOS, just doing that and waiting for a few minutes will let it sort itself out. Nothing needs to actually be done.
    I tried it with the video card installed, and it really did not like it.
    It still sorted itself out, ...

    My first thought here is that the card may draw more power than the PSU
    can comfortably deliver, at least at start-up.

    You say it seems to sort itself out, but have you gone on to try to get
    the card to do anything useful? If it's a PSU inadequacy I'd expect the
    system to fail in some way -- possibly crashing out and rebooting -- as
    soon as you make the card do anything.

    If I recall how this thread started you're trying to use an old video
    capture card in a new PC ... I don't really know what the power
    requirements of a video capture card might be but it's possible the
    supplier sold you a system with a PSU that was perfectly adequate for
    the hardware they were supplying but didn't allow any spare for
    additional hardware. Did you tell them you were planning to add capture
    card?

    --
    Cheers,
    Daniel.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Oct 4 14:19:29 2024
    Davey wrote:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried
    deep in the Unsupported file. There is no mention of available
    documentation. The vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so has
    no idea about Linux use. My question is, is it
    possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu would pick it up and go with
    it without any any further configuration?
    The capture chip looks to be supported by LinuxTV

    <https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_Fusion_878A>

    the other major chip on the card is a PCI/PCIe bridge

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  • From The Nomad@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Oct 4 14:41:43 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:19:29 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried deep in the
    Unsupported file. There is no mention of available documentation. The
    vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so has no idea about Linux
    use. My question is, is it possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu
    would pick it up and go with it without any any further configuration?
    The capture chip looks to be supported by LinuxTV

    <https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_Fusion_878A>

    the other major chip on the card is a PCI/PCIe bridge

    Indeed I ran a couple for ages (PCI not PCIe) work well

    Or <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364218770565>

    HTH

    Avpx


    --
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    that only the other one snores.
    (The Fifth Elephant)
    Fri 11357 Sep 15:40:01 BST 1993
    15:40:01 up 6 days, 20:23, 1 user, load average: 0.38, 0.79, 0.72

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Oct 4 16:09:35 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Daniel James wrote:

    My first thought here is that the card may draw more power than the PSU
    can comfortably deliver, at least at start-up.

    I think a PCIe card can draw max 75W from a dlot (presumably the second
    slot is unoccupied?)

    Not sure how much power a SATA cable can supply?

    It's 1.5A per pin, there are three pins per voltage rail. So:

    12*1.5*3 + 5*1.5*3 + 3.3*1.5*3 = 91.35W

    But that assumes you're pulling the max from each rail, which you almost certainly aren't.

    However I think that's a red herring here - video capture cards aren't especially power hungry. If they were there would be a big heatsink, which
    we don't see in the OP's recent PCIe example.

    It seems like something is wrong, but unclear what. Fans are usually
    powered from 12V, so perhaps the adapter did something bad with the 12V
    rail?

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Daniel James on Fri Oct 4 15:18:48 2024
    Daniel James wrote:

    My first thought here is that the card may draw more power than the PSU
    can comfortably deliver, at least at start-up.

    I think a PCIe card can draw max 75W from a dlot (presumably the second
    slot is unoccupied?)

    Not sure how much power a SATA cable can supply?

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Oct 4 16:04:18 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    The card I looked at is:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    That's ebay item 185944607636, ie:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185944607636

    instead of your giant tracking link :)

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried
    deep in the Unsupported file. There is no mention of available
    documentation. The vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so has
    no idea about Linux use. My question is, is it
    possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu would pick it up and go with
    it without any any further configuration?

    According to the writing on the chips, it has: https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_Fusion_878A
    behind a PCIe to PCI bridge:
    https://www.ti.com/product/XIO2001

    The above page says it's supported by the Linux bttv driver: https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bttv

    So looks promising.

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Oct 4 16:27:15 2024
    Theo wrote:

    It seems like something is wrong, but unclear what. Fans are usually
    powered from 12V, so perhaps the adapter did something bad with the 12V
    rail?

    Maybe it wasn't keen on being connected just by the "not-really-USB3"
    cable providing the PCI lanes without the SATA cable providing any power?

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Oct 4 17:11:49 2024
    On 04 Oct 2024 16:04:18 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    The card I looked at is:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    That's ebay item 185944607636, ie:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185944607636

    instead of your giant tracking link :)

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried
    deep in the Unsupported file. There is no mention of available documentation. The vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so
    has no idea about Linux use. My question is, is it possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu would pick it up and go
    with it without any any further configuration?

    According to the writing on the chips, it has: https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_Fusion_878A
    behind a PCIe to PCI bridge:
    https://www.ti.com/product/XIO2001

    The above page says it's supported by the Linux bttv driver: https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bttv

    So looks promising.

    Theo

    The giant tracking link (hence the tinyurl link) was to the used version
    I am looking at, rather than the new one.
    So it does sound as thought the card would hopefully work. Thanks.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to The Nomad on Fri Oct 4 17:13:51 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:41:43 -0000 (UTC)
    The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:19:29 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    https://tinyurl.com/26k8uy3b

    It is just about mentioned on the company website, buried deep in
    the Unsupported file. There is no mention of available
    documentation. The vendor says it was used in a Windows system, so
    has no idea about Linux use. My question is, is it
    possible/probable/certain that my Ubuntu would pick it up and go
    with it without any any further configuration?
    The capture chip looks to be supported by LinuxTV

    <https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_Fusion_878A>

    the other major chip on the card is a PCI/PCIe bridge

    Indeed I ran a couple for ages (PCI not PCIe) work well

    Or <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364218770565>

    HTH

    Avpx



    It does help.

    It think it has confirmed to me that a PCIE card is the way to go. With
    what I am (was) trying to do with the old one seems to be an unhappy
    condition for the PC.

    --
    Davey.

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