• New IoT products based on LoRa for distributed control

    From design@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 12:26:45 2025
    An interesting new family of products. No cloud required. Work in
    groups, only power supply needed.

    https://www.albedo.biz/products/003/001/

    https://www.blog.albedo.biz/images/003_001.jpg

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to design on Mon May 5 07:33:35 2025
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 12:26:45 +0200, design <soporte@albedo.biz> wrote:

    An interesting new family of products. No cloud required. Work in
    groups, only power supply needed.

    https://www.albedo.biz/products/003/001/

    https://www.blog.albedo.biz/images/003_001.jpg

    Since it needs power, why not go PoE and dump the RF?

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  • From Edward Rawde@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon May 5 12:15:38 2025
    "john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:5fih1khu4l190ghdd7490f3tkemklup9pb@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 12:26:45 +0200, design <soporte@albedo.biz> wrote:

    An interesting new family of products. No cloud required. Work in
    groups, only power supply needed.

    https://www.albedo.biz/products/003/001/

    https://www.blog.albedo.biz/images/003_001.jpg

    Since it needs power, why not go PoE and dump the RF?

    Looks like it's designed not to require TCP/IP or other protocol networking. Not all locations have easy access to wifi or wired networks.
    But it says nothing about the security of the data going over 433 MHz.

    It's nice to see a device which doesn't assume you'll put it on wifi and doesn't assume it can contact the manufacturer's servers to
    report who knows what or try to make you pay a subscription for full function.



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  • From design@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 18:43:30 2025
    El 5/5/25 a las 16:33, john larkin escribió:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 12:26:45 +0200, design <soporte@albedo.biz> wrote:

    An interesting new family of products. No cloud required. Work in
    groups, only power supply needed.

    https://www.albedo.biz/products/003/001/

    https://www.blog.albedo.biz/images/003_001.jpg

    Since it needs power, why not go PoE and dump the RF?

    They are intended for sites with no connection and big distances from
    nodes. The units being far away (about 1Km) may be powered by some solar
    panel and battery, if required.
    Remember that LoRa is the radio technology used for medium distance
    range (ESP-NOW for shorter distances)

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  • From design@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 18:53:51 2025
    El 5/5/25 a las 18:15, Edward Rawde escribió:
    "john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:5fih1khu4l190ghdd7490f3tkemklup9pb@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 12:26:45 +0200, design <soporte@albedo.biz> wrote:

    An interesting new family of products. No cloud required. Work in
    groups, only power supply needed.

    https://www.albedo.biz/products/003/001/

    https://www.blog.albedo.biz/images/003_001.jpg

    Since it needs power, why not go PoE and dump the RF?

    Looks like it's designed not to require TCP/IP or other protocol networking.
    It uses ESP-NOW (close to WiFi in some sense but reduced in number of
    OSI layers, and LoRa. In the first case there is not IP but MAC, the
    second is a proprietary protocol.
    Not all locations have easy access to wifi or wired networks.
    That's true. This is what it is designed for...
    But it says nothing about the security of the data going over 433 MHz.
    The data is encoded and encrypted. Not so safe as using AES or some
    standard protocol, but safe enough for a control of local premises.
    Using LoRa means that you have to find a proper ratio among length of
    messages and safety.

    It's nice to see a device which doesn't assume you'll put it on wifi and doesn't assume it can contact the manufacturer's servers to
    report who knows what or try to make you pay a subscription for full function.
    We work just for that: first level devices work in an isolated group
    doing their job. Nothing else required. Second level adds a HUB, that
    manages the group from a single point, still local. But the HUB have the
    added task of publishing to an MQTT server in, possibly a Home Assistant
    LOCAL server. Finally is up to the user to open HASS to the world trough SSL





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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Edward Rawde on Mon May 5 20:18:08 2025
    On 5/5/2025 9:15 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
    Looks like it's designed not to require TCP/IP or other protocol networking. Not all locations have easy access to wifi or wired networks.
    But it says nothing about the security of the data going over 433 MHz.

    Nor how robustly it can defend against active interference, eavesdropping
    or other acts of malevolence.

    I spooked my neighbor by showing him how easily I could interfere
    with his wireless "intrusion alarm" (obviously wireless to reduce
    the cost of wiring!). Do vendors think that adversaries are
    all naive? How long does it take to financially impact a
    client relying on such technology?

    It's nice to see a device which doesn't assume you'll put it on wifi
    and doesn't assume it can contact the manufacturer's servers to
    report who knows what or try to make you pay a subscription for full function.

    I'm still waiting for the hack that turns everyone's thermostat
    up/down, activates ovens, etc.

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