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Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
Annoying.
On 12/22/2024 2:52 PM, legg wrote:
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
If your page numbering is *within* the document (e.g., a header of your
own creation), then it is entirely up to you what form it takes, where it
is placed, when it appears, etc. (e.g., often the first page of a chapter
has no visible page number)
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
The PDF format only deals with ordinality when it comes to page numbers.
Annoying.
Use the tool upstream of your PDF distiller to impose whatever numbering >scheme you want. E.g., I never label the first page of a document,
use "lowercase" roman numerals for front matter, <chapter>-<page> for
body pages (and <chapter>-<figure> as well as <chapter>-<table> for
their corresponding materials) and INDEX-<page> for the index.
Set your PDF to open with thumbnail views visible and the viewer can
usually quickly find the page of interest from them.
[Though I've never made a document of more than ~600 pages so it's easy
to find thumbnails of chapter starts and offset from there]
I want the pdf reader to 'recognize' page numbers from the print,
even if I have to do it manually on a per-page basis.
The pdf document is intended as a replica of existing hard copy,
so those original numbers/roman numerals can't change.
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
Annoying.
RL
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 15:19:05 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 2:52 PM, legg wrote:
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
If your page numbering is *within* the document (e.g., a header of your
own creation), then it is entirely up to you what form it takes, where it
is placed, when it appears, etc. (e.g., often the first page of a chapter
has no visible page number)
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
The PDF format only deals with ordinality when it comes to page numbers.
Annoying.
Use the tool upstream of your PDF distiller to impose whatever numbering
scheme you want. E.g., I never label the first page of a document,
use "lowercase" roman numerals for front matter, <chapter>-<page> for
body pages (and <chapter>-<figure> as well as <chapter>-<table> for
their corresponding materials) and INDEX-<page> for the index.
Set your PDF to open with thumbnail views visible and the viewer can
usually quickly find the page of interest from them.
[Though I've never made a document of more than ~600 pages so it's easy
to find thumbnails of chapter starts and offset from there]
I want the pdf reader to 'recognize' page numbers from the print,
even if I have to do it manually on a per-page basis.
The pdf document is intended as a replica of existing hard copy,
so those original numbers/roman numerals can't change.
On 12/22/2024 5:04 PM, legg wrote:
I want the pdf reader to 'recognize' page numbers from the print,
even if I have to do it manually on a per-page basis.
The pdf document is intended as a replica of existing hard copy,
so those original numbers/roman numerals can't change.
In Acrobat, you can assign "Page Labels" as synonyms for the
ordinals used.
You open the thumbnails view (left side pane) and click on the
"options" dropdown. There, use "Page Labels..." to pick a
style, start point, etc. for the thumbnails THAT YOU HAVE
PRESENTLY SELECTED.
This will not change the page "number" -- so, the first page
will still be '1'. But, it will appear as 'i' if you have selected
the first page in a group of pages to use the "i, ii, iii..."
LABELING scheme.
[This is called a "section"]
The pages after the selected group will constitute another
"section" and will be LABELED (as different from NUMBERED)
beginning with '1' (as expected).
For non-Adobe tools... <shrug>
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?The body page one currently recword ognized as page 14.Annoying.RL
For non-Adobe tools... <shrug>
It'll have to be somebody else who has the right software, then.
I get pdfs either from a scan or through printing utilities.
No intention of giving Adobe money for a format that was developed
for common usage.
Thought it might take if I processed it through html formatting,
but that didn't seem to 'take' either.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:58:16 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 5:04 PM, legg wrote:It'll have to be somebody else who has the right software, then.
I want the pdf reader to 'recognize' page numbers from the print,
even if I have to do it manually on a per-page basis.
The pdf document is intended as a replica of existing hard copy,
so those original numbers/roman numerals can't change.
In Acrobat, you can assign "Page Labels" as synonyms for the
ordinals used.
You open the thumbnails view (left side pane) and click on the
"options" dropdown. There, use "Page Labels..." to pick a
style, start point, etc. for the thumbnails THAT YOU HAVE
PRESENTLY SELECTED.
This will not change the page "number" -- so, the first page
will still be '1'. But, it will appear as 'i' if you have selected
the first page in a group of pages to use the "i, ii, iii..."
LABELING scheme.
[This is called a "section"]
The pages after the selected group will constitute another
"section" and will be LABELED (as different from NUMBERED)
beginning with '1' (as expected).
For non-Adobe tools... <shrug>
I get pdfs either from a scan or through printing utilities.
No intention of giving Adobe money for a format that was developed
for common usage.
Thought it might take if I processed it through html formatting,
but that didn't seem to 'take' either.
RL
On 2024-12-23 11:34, legg wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:58:16 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 5:04 PM, legg wrote:
I want the pdf reader to 'recognize' page numbers from the print,
even if I have to do it manually on a per-page basis.
The pdf document is intended as a replica of existing hard copy,
so those original numbers/roman numerals can't change.
In Acrobat, you can assign "Page Labels" as synonyms for the
ordinals used.
For non-Adobe tools... <shrug>It'll have to be somebody else who has the right software, then.
I get pdfs either from a scan or through printing utilities.
No intention of giving Adobe money for a format that was developed
for common usage.
Thought it might take if I processed it through html formatting,
but that didn't seem to 'take' either.
RL
Have you looked at Libreoffice?
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-do-i-paginate-completed-document/58798
Have you looked at Libreoffice?
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-do-i-paginate-completed-document/58798
That is what I did. The pages are numbered correctly inside LO and in the printed result, and in the PDF export. However, the page counter in the PDF viewer doesn't reflect numbering styles or renumbering.
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> Wrote in message:rIn Word (doc), or Mozilla Composer (html) I'm formatting individual
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?The body page one currently recword ognized as page 14.Annoying.RL
if your using word, then use a section break and insert your
page number. You can deattach the sections from one another to
number them separately.
Cheers
On 12/23/2024 9:34 AM, legg wrote:
For non-Adobe tools... <shrug>
It'll have to be somebody else who has the right software, then.
If it is something you can put on a web site, I'll be happy to
add the "sections" to correspond with the numbering as it
appears on the individual pages.
I get pdfs either from a scan or through printing utilities.
No intention of giving Adobe money for a format that was developed
for common usage.
I buy tools that solve problems. I don't really care who gets
paid for them as long as there is a net value added in the
products that I produce with them. Adobe did, after all, create
PostScript.
Thought it might take if I processed it through html formatting,
but that didn't seem to 'take' either.
I suspect this is a common enough problem that there are other
(non-Adobe) solutions out there. In a pinch (for a "one off"),
you could directly edit the EPS.
[I do this in reverse; I use Illustrator to create drawings
and then extract the specific PS commands to paste into other
documents. Saves me the trouble of having to develop a
"drawing application".]
For folks thinking PDFs are just "electronic books", that's likely
an acceptable tradeoff. OTOH, if you want to explain the difference
between the different speaking accents of New Yorkers, Bostonians, Chicagoans, etc., it's much easier to embed three audio clips
and let the "reader" HEAR them instead of trying to describe them textually. Similarly, instead of publishing N different views of
a 3D object to give the reader an idea of how it is constructed,
it's much easier to embed a 3D model IN the document and let the
reader explore it in whatever manner HE deems appropriate.
These are things that you can't do with paper books.
The thing I'm working on now is 422 pages with a 5000 line index.
I'm not going through THAT, manually inserting links.
A preliminary draft ( there are already 40 pages updated for
the next draft) is available for comment and criticism.
At 100Meg ( but getting smaller) it may be a slow download.
Few will find the actual content of interest.
http://ve3ute.ca/prairie_gold/sample_241220.zip
Keep in mind that this is a replica - all original spelling,
formatting and layout (including original errors) is intentionally
preserved. Unless you've got an original hard copy, it may be
hard to tell what's wrong - but overlapping images/text,
or ocr source errors (rn / m , 1/l/I CG e/a) still abound.
OCR on this was so bad that the output was often useless as
a textual contribution, but could sometimes be edited and
reformatted manually. PDF-OCR scanned page file size was
also 3 to 30 x larger than a pdf published from a text-corrected
doc.
I get pdfs either from a scan or through printing utilities.
No intention of giving Adobe money for a format that was developed
for common usage.
I buy tools that solve problems. I don't really care who gets
paid for them as long as there is a net value added in the
products that I produce with them. Adobe did, after all, create
PostScript.
I think you'll find that you are misled in Adobe's original
source for the pdf and eps files' original development.
They were always intended to be open source.
There is no money in this work; or for anybody involved.
Thought it might take if I processed it through html formatting,
but that didn't seem to 'take' either.
I suspect this is a common enough problem that there are other
(non-Adobe) solutions out there. In a pinch (for a "one off"),
you could directly edit the EPS.
[I do this in reverse; I use Illustrator to create drawings
and then extract the specific PS commands to paste into other
documents. Saves me the trouble of having to develop a
"drawing application".]
RL
On 12/24/2024 12:31 PM, Don Y wrote:
For folks thinking PDFs are just "electronic books", that's likely
an acceptable tradeoff. OTOH, if you want to explain the difference
between the different speaking accents of New Yorkers, Bostonians,
Chicagoans, etc., it's much easier to embed three audio clips
and let the "reader" HEAR them instead of trying to describe them
textually. Similarly, instead of publishing N different views of
a 3D object to give the reader an idea of how it is constructed,
it's much easier to embed a 3D model IN the document and let the
reader explore it in whatever manner HE deems appropriate.
These are things that you can't do with paper books.
Well, technically, you can distribute other *media* with a paper
book that addresses some of these issues. E.g., I have a book
titled _Mouth Sounds_ that includes a (flimsy) "45" to be played
on a phonograph to "hear" the sounds described. Others have
included CDs affixed to back covers, etc.
On 24/12/2024 20:07, Don Y wrote:
On 12/24/2024 12:31 PM, Don Y wrote:
For folks thinking PDFs are just "electronic books", that's likely
an acceptable tradeoff. OTOH, if you want to explain the difference
between the different speaking accents of New Yorkers, Bostonians,
Chicagoans, etc., it's much easier to embed three audio clips
and let the "reader" HEAR them instead of trying to describe them
textually. Similarly, instead of publishing N different views of
a 3D object to give the reader an idea of how it is constructed,
it's much easier to embed a 3D model IN the document and let the
reader explore it in whatever manner HE deems appropriate.
These are things that you can't do with paper books.
Well, technically, you can distribute other *media* with a paper
book that addresses some of these issues. E.g., I have a book
titled _Mouth Sounds_ that includes a (flimsy) "45" to be played
on a phonograph to "hear" the sounds described. Others have
included CDs affixed to back covers, etc.
I'm not completely sure you are fully understanding what the OP wants. I think
he has the page numbers showing correctly in the headers of all his pages but
wants to have the reader itself know the page numbers he used in his headings so that he can tell the reader to go to page 17 and it goes to the page with "17" in the header and shows page 17 / whatever as it's status.
wants to have the reader itself know the page numbers he used in his headings
so that he can tell the reader to go to page 17 and it goes to the page with >> "17" in the header and shows page 17 / whatever as it's status.
That's exactly what the doctored PDF that I provided does (at least using Adobe's products). I can type "II" (roman numeral 2) in the page number
box and it will move to the page bearing the LABEL "II" -- which happens
to be the tenth page in the document.
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:22:53 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> Wrote in message:rIn Word (doc), or Mozilla Composer (html) I'm formatting individual
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes a
frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?The body page one currently
recword ognized as page 14.Annoying.RL
if your using word, then use a section break and insert your
page number. You can deattach the sections from one another to number
them separately.
Cheers
pages.
The only time they get 'sewed up' is in the final pdf file.
RL
I am fairly certain that what you want cannot be done with a PDF, based on reading many documents where this would have been beneficial, such as the 3544 page Florida Building Code where the page labeled as (RAS)109.1 is
PDF page 2625, or the 1235 page Square-D Digest with page 22-1 on PDF page 968. Both of these documents are made tolerable by links to major
sections from the index. The Square-D Digest is exceptional in providing hyperlinks to web documents with part specs, drawings and CAD files for almost everything in the catalog.
[Apologies if duplicate; apparently some issues with ES?]
On 12/24/2024 6:51 AM, legg wrote:
The thing I'm working on now is 422 pages with a 5000 line index.
I'm not going through THAT, manually inserting links.
I can (have) "fix" the page numbers that appear in teh PDF viewer
(at least Adobe's products; I don't use any of the "knock off" tools)
But, adding hyperlinks is something that you would either have
to do manually or write a script (and hope for the best).
When I build a document with an index (or other cross references),
I place markers in the text and the DTP tool uses these to determine
the final "rendering place" for the reference to place in the
index, etc.
It similarly builds the hyperlinks for the PDF.
Expecting a tool to do this /ex post factum/ (e.g., to a scanned/OCRed
image) might be wishful thinking.
[When I scan documents, I don't even bother with the OCR as my goal
is simply to replace the paper document with an electronic version
having all the capabilities (content) and _limitations_ (e.g., no
automated search) of the original. This makes it a LOT easier to
process paper! (I've scanned over 100,000 sheets -- both sides -- of
such documents in the past year)]
A preliminary draft ( there are already 40 pages updated for
the next draft) is available for comment and criticism.
At 100Meg ( but getting smaller) it may be a slow download.
Few will find the actual content of interest.
http://ve3ute.ca/prairie_gold/sample_241220.zip
I made the changes that I mentioned, upthread, and posted a revised
copy at:
<https://mega.nz/file/I75REDIA#RFxRfVNXa_jhw3jcyv2_UeTGJ1iRwlUDC4hHk6x15bc>
(ignore the viewer and click on the DOWNLOAD button on the lower right)
I've appended 3 screenshots to the document (you should remove them;
I just used the PDF as a convenient "package" to transport them)
showing how three "significant" pages appear in Acrobat: note the
front cover appears as having a "blank" page LABEL -- yet appears
described as "(1 of...)" while page "I" shows the label "I" with
"(9 of ...)" and page "1" appears with the label "1" and "(15 of ...)"
[Note that "..." is 3 pages longer than your original for the reason >mentioned above]
I'd be more than happy to do this again -- for revisions of this
document or others.
That was the sort of Reader output that I had in mind.
I'll pay more attention to the features offered by my
pdf publishing utility, (pdf995) to see what results I
can get here.
If I can't wrestle it into shape, I may take you up on
your offer, just to get this out of my hair, after revisions.
I'd normally add or remove pages by printing partial portions,
then rejoining them.
That doesn't appear to be practical
if 'sections' carry un-numbered or oddly-paginated groups.
0 seems particularly problematic.
How would an end-user print the copyright page, or dedication
page, if the select-page-to-print area of the gui offers
pages ' -425 ' ?
Many thanks.
RL
On 12/25/2024 7:10 AM, legg wrote:
That was the sort of Reader output that I had in mind.
I don't know what it "looks" like in other viewers. And,
apparently, many don't support searching for page labels;
they think of pages as being *numbered*.
I'll pay more attention to the features offered by my
pdf publishing utility, (pdf995) to see what results I
can get here.
Can't help you, there. I use FrameMaker (et al.) for
my DTP needs; they are reasonably well integrated so
I can tell one what I want *it* to tell the others...
If I can't wrestle it into shape, I may take you up on
your offer, just to get this out of my hair, after revisions.
Truly no problem. The download and sneakernet into my office
was the biggest "effort". Adjusting the page labels is:
- open thumbnails
- select a set of pages to be labeled
- open "Label Pages..." dialog
- select style (1,2,3; i,ii,ii; A,B,C; etc.)
- APPLY
I'd normally add or remove pages by printing partial portions,
then rejoining them.
In Acrobat, I just select the thumbnails for the pages to delete and then
hit DELETE. I will have to see how the labels alter if I cut a section
out of the middle. I would imagine the FIRST page in a section is the
most critical (as it likely contains the sequencing information for its >successors)
I should see how rotated pages fit in the mix (they shouldn't
be handled any differently -- but, "you never know")
[I frequently put a B-size "fold out" in the middle of a document
and often only the recto side is numbered]
That doesn't appear to be practical
if 'sections' carry un-numbered or oddly-paginated groups.
0 seems particularly problematic.
I would address '0' as "0"; in much the same way as "IV"
or "COVER"
How would an end-user print the copyright page, or dedication
page, if the select-page-to-print area of the gui offers
pages ' -425 ' ?
With the labeling facility, you can specify "" (empty/blank)
as the page label -- as I did for the cover and early front matter
in your example.
If your viewer/reader software can search for page labels (which
is what all *should* be able to do as labels go WAY back in the >specification's history -- for obvious reasons), you could exploit
that ability to quickly access particular pages ("INDEX", "TABLES",
etc.) in the absence of hyperlinks in the document (of course this
means abandoning the VISIBLE page number on that page)
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:47:30 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/25/2024 7:10 AM, legg wrote:
That was the sort of Reader output that I had in mind.
I don't know what it "looks" like in other viewers. And,
apparently, many don't support searching for page labels;
they think of pages as being *numbered*.
I'll pay more attention to the features offered by my
pdf publishing utility, (pdf995) to see what results I
can get here.
Can't help you, there. I use FrameMaker (et al.) for
my DTP needs; they are reasonably well integrated so
I can tell one what I want *it* to tell the others...
If I can't wrestle it into shape, I may take you up on
your offer, just to get this out of my hair, after revisions.
Truly no problem. The download and sneakernet into my office
was the biggest "effort". Adjusting the page labels is:
- open thumbnails
- select a set of pages to be labeled
- open "Label Pages..." dialog
- select style (1,2,3; i,ii,ii; A,B,C; etc.)
- APPLY
I'd normally add or remove pages by printing partial portions,
then rejoining them.
In Acrobat, I just select the thumbnails for the pages to delete and then >>hit DELETE. I will have to see how the labels alter if I cut a section
out of the middle. I would imagine the FIRST page in a section is the
most critical (as it likely contains the sequencing information for its >>successors)
I should see how rotated pages fit in the mix (they shouldn't
be handled any differently -- but, "you never know")
[I frequently put a B-size "fold out" in the middle of a document
and often only the recto side is numbered]
That doesn't appear to be practical
if 'sections' carry un-numbered or oddly-paginated groups.
0 seems particularly problematic.
I would address '0' as "0"; in much the same way as "IV"
or "COVER"
How would an end-user print the copyright page, or dedication
page, if the select-page-to-print area of the gui offers
pages ' -425 ' ?
With the labeling facility, you can specify "" (empty/blank)
as the page label -- as I did for the cover and early front matter
in your example.
If your viewer/reader software can search for page labels (which
is what all *should* be able to do as labels go WAY back in the >>specification's history -- for obvious reasons), you could exploit
that ability to quickly access particular pages ("INDEX", "TABLES",
etc.) in the absence of hyperlinks in the document (of course this
means abandoning the VISIBLE page number on that page)
I notice that the Foxit reader doesn't recognize the new labeling.
That's pretty popular.
RL
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:47:30 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/25/2024 7:10 AM, legg wrote:
That was the sort of Reader output that I had in mind.
I don't know what it "looks" like in other viewers. And,
apparently, many don't support searching for page labels;
they think of pages as being *numbered*.
I'll pay more attention to the features offered by my
pdf publishing utility, (pdf995) to see what results I
can get here.
Can't help you, there. I use FrameMaker (et al.) for
my DTP needs; they are reasonably well integrated so
I can tell one what I want *it* to tell the others...
If I can't wrestle it into shape, I may take you up on
your offer, just to get this out of my hair, after revisions.
Truly no problem. The download and sneakernet into my office
was the biggest "effort". Adjusting the page labels is:
- open thumbnails
- select a set of pages to be labeled
- open "Label Pages..." dialog
- select style (1,2,3; i,ii,ii; A,B,C; etc.)
- APPLY
I'd normally add or remove pages by printing partial portions,
then rejoining them.
In Acrobat, I just select the thumbnails for the pages to delete and then
hit DELETE. I will have to see how the labels alter if I cut a section
out of the middle. I would imagine the FIRST page in a section is the
most critical (as it likely contains the sequencing information for its
successors)
I should see how rotated pages fit in the mix (they shouldn't
be handled any differently -- but, "you never know")
[I frequently put a B-size "fold out" in the middle of a document
and often only the recto side is numbered]
That doesn't appear to be practical
if 'sections' carry un-numbered or oddly-paginated groups.
0 seems particularly problematic.
I would address '0' as "0"; in much the same way as "IV"
or "COVER"
How would an end-user print the copyright page, or dedication
page, if the select-page-to-print area of the gui offers
pages ' -425 ' ?
With the labeling facility, you can specify "" (empty/blank)
as the page label -- as I did for the cover and early front matter
in your example.
If your viewer/reader software can search for page labels (which
is what all *should* be able to do as labels go WAY back in the
specification's history -- for obvious reasons), you could exploit
that ability to quickly access particular pages ("INDEX", "TABLES",
etc.) in the absence of hyperlinks in the document (of course this
means abandoning the VISIBLE page number on that page)
I notice that the Foxit reader doesn't recognize the new labeling.
That's pretty popular.
On 12/22/2024 2:52 PM, legg wrote:
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
If your page numbering is *within* the document (e.g., a header of your
own creation), then it is entirely up to you what form it takes, where it
is placed, when it appears, etc. (e.g., often the first page of a chapter
has no visible page number)
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
The PDF format only deals with ordinality when it comes to page numbers.
Annoying.
Use the tool upstream of your PDF distiller to impose whatever numbering >scheme you want. E.g., I never label the first page of a document,
use "lowercase" roman numerals for front matter, <chapter>-<page> for
body pages (and <chapter>-<figure> as well as <chapter>-<table> for
their corresponding materials) and INDEX-<page> for the index.
Set your PDF to open with thumbnail views visible and the viewer can
usually quickly find the page of interest from them.
[Though I've never made a document of more than ~600 pages so it's easy
to find thumbnails of chapter starts and offset from there]
adobe is a MS kind of tool.
Professionals use TeX.
I generated the ciforth documentation with texinfo.
In ghostview the two cover pages appear as 1 2 in the page column,
The body is on the third page with a page number 1.
The content are on the end, showing negative numbers in the page column,
and are marked I ,, XII .
In article <vka38r$qekf$1@dont-email.me>,
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 2:52 PM, legg wrote:
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
If your page numbering is *within* the document (e.g., a header of your
own creation), then it is entirely up to you what form it takes, where it >>is placed, when it appears, etc. (e.g., often the first page of a chapter >>has no visible page number)
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
The PDF format only deals with ordinality when it comes to page numbers.
Annoying.
Use the tool upstream of your PDF distiller to impose whatever numbering >>scheme you want. E.g., I never label the first page of a document,
use "lowercase" roman numerals for front matter, <chapter>-<page> for
body pages (and <chapter>-<figure> as well as <chapter>-<table> for
their corresponding materials) and INDEX-<page> for the index.
Set your PDF to open with thumbnail views visible and the viewer can >>usually quickly find the page of interest from them.
[Though I've never made a document of more than ~600 pages so it's easy
to find thumbnails of chapter starts and offset from there]
adobe is a MS kind of tool.
Professionals use TeX.
I generated the ciforth documentation with texinfo.
In ghostview the two cover pages appear as 1 2 in the page column,
The body is on the third page with a page number 1.
The content are on the end, showing negative numbers in the page column,
and are marked I ,, XII .
Groetjes Albert
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 15:07:16 +0100, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
In article <vka38r$qekf$1@dont-email.me>,
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 2:52 PM, legg wrote:
Anyone have any idea how to publish a pdf so that it recognizes
a frontispiece with roman numeral pagination?
If your page numbering is *within* the document (e.g., a header of your
own creation), then it is entirely up to you what form it takes, where it >>> is placed, when it appears, etc. (e.g., often the first page of a chapter >>> has no visible page number)
The body page one currently recognized as page 14.
The PDF format only deals with ordinality when it comes to page numbers. >>>
Annoying.
Use the tool upstream of your PDF distiller to impose whatever numbering >>> scheme you want. E.g., I never label the first page of a document,
use "lowercase" roman numerals for front matter, <chapter>-<page> for
body pages (and <chapter>-<figure> as well as <chapter>-<table> for
their corresponding materials) and INDEX-<page> for the index.
Set your PDF to open with thumbnail views visible and the viewer can
usually quickly find the page of interest from them.
[Though I've never made a document of more than ~600 pages so it's easy
to find thumbnails of chapter starts and offset from there]
adobe is a MS kind of tool.
Professionals use TeX.
I generated the ciforth documentation with texinfo.
In ghostview the two cover pages appear as 1 2 in the page column,
The body is on the third page with a page number 1.
The content are on the end, showing negative numbers in the page column,
and are marked I ,, XII .
Groetjes Albert
I've heard TeX pushed in tech forums, but tech publishers and
regulators specify the format for submissions, and it ain't TeX.
RL
I've heard TeX pushed in tech forums, but tech publishers and
regulators specify the format for submissions, and it ain't TeX.