• Re: Walkability

    From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Dec 15 23:47:38 2024
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

    I wonder if they took into account that NYC sometimes gets wind chills
    below -20 degrees F.



    Time and space are illusions, including those times and places where
    neither NYC nor SF is so walkable. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 15 15:26:32 2024
    https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

    I wonder if they took into account that NYC sometimes gets wind chills
    below -20 degrees F.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Dec 15 18:47:07 2024
    On 2024-12-15 3:26 p.m., john larkin wrote:
    https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

    I wonder if they took into account that NYC sometimes gets wind chills
    below -20 degrees F.


    Montreal and Toronto have colder winters and their score isn't much
    lower than New York.

    https://weatherspark.com/compare/s/3/25077~23912/Comparison-of-the-Average-Winter-Weather-in-Montr%C3%A9al-and-New-York-City

    https://weatherspark.com/compare/s/3/23912~19863/Comparison-of-the-Average-Winter-Weather-in-New-York-City-and-Toronto

    Walkability is the DESIRE to walk around a city.

    Lots of cities are no fun...

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Dec 15 18:46:09 2024
    On 2024-12-15 3:26 p.m., john larkin wrote:
    https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

    I wonder if they took into account that NYC sometimes gets wind chills
    below -20 degrees F.


    Montreal and Toronto have colder winters and their score isn't much
    lower than New York.

    https://weatherspark.com/compare/s/3/25077~23912/Comparison-of-the-Average-Winter-Weather-in-Montr%C3%A9al-and-New-York-City

    https://weatherspark.com/compare/s/3/23912~19863/Comparison-of-the-Average-Winter-Weather-in-New-York-City-and-Toronto

    Walkability is the DESIRE to walk around a city.

    Lots of cities are no fun...

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Sun Dec 15 21:11:30 2024
    On 12/15/2024 7:47 PM, John Robertson wrote:
    Montreal and Toronto have colder winters and their score isn't much lower than
    New York.

    Walkability is the DESIRE to walk around a city.

    I think it is the "expected value" of the effort required to walk.

    Boston, San Francisco, etc. are tiny places with lots of people
    (we have 5 times the land area and a comparable population; so
    things are more spread out). We're the size of Chicago but with
    a fifth the population. NYC being about 25% larger and with
    15+ times our population.

    Montreal is about half the size of NYC with 1/4 the population.
    Toronto is more like Chicago in size and population.

    The point being, you can "get somewhere" in more densely populated
    areas. Or, while IN an area, can find multiple things worth your
    time -- without having to resort to motorized transit. Having to get
    IN a car (which means you had to find a place to PARK it) really
    raises the effort to do things

    Lots of cities are no fun...

    "Fun" can come in different flavors...

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Mon Dec 16 09:46:26 2024
    On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:11:30 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    On 12/15/2024 7:47 PM, John Robertson wrote:
    Montreal and Toronto have colder winters and their score isn't much lower than
    New York.

    Walkability is the DESIRE to walk around a city.

    I think it is the "expected value" of the effort required to walk.

    Boston, San Francisco, etc. are tiny places with lots of people
    (we have 5 times the land area and a comparable population; so
    things are more spread out). We're the size of Chicago but with
    a fifth the population. NYC being about 25% larger and with
    15+ times our population.

    Montreal is about half the size of NYC with 1/4 the population.
    Toronto is more like Chicago in size and population.

    The point being, you can "get somewhere" in more densely populated
    areas. Or, while IN an area, can find multiple things worth your
    time -- without having to resort to motorized transit. Having to get
    IN a car (which means you had to find a place to PARK it) really
    raises the effort to do things

    Lots of cities are no fun...

    "Fun" can come in different flavors...

    There have been studies that suggest that walking in the woods is
    better for one's attitude than walking on pavement in a city.

    This is on-topic in that we'd been discussing the idea of having
    engineering meetings outdoors, while group hiking, as an alternative
    to conference rooms.

    So a park or something near the office is appealing.

    It's raining just now, so we'll have to meet indoors today. The
    discussion is about dummy loads and using CPU coolers on PC boards.

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  • From wmartin@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Dec 16 11:47:05 2024
    On 12/15/24 15:26, john larkin wrote:
    https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

    I wonder if they took into account that NYC sometimes gets wind chills
    below -20 degrees F.

    I wonder if they considered the parts of most cities where running is
    better idea...as in for your life!

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