• Re: Your opinions on communism

    From BYDbro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 30 05:03:58 2024
  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Intelligent Party on Fri Aug 30 07:04:34 2024
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    On 8/29/2024 2:07 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    On 5/18/2024 2:28 PM, Kirk Spragg wrote:
    Hey Victoria though we'd best move that conversation about communism
    from FSX to here.

    I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory by
    ultra
    leftists and liberals) tankie
    I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism
    which is worker's state, centrally planned economy, means of
    production ma>seized
    by workers, and no markets

    Though I'm definitely on the left, I'd have to say that history & the
    soviet union's failure to keep up with the west illustrate that a
    centrally planned economy just doesn't work well.

    under capitalism there is severe exploitation
    under socialism exploitation is non existant
    exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society
    live off ma> the
    labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off the labor because
    they ma> own
    the factories etc. aka the means of production

    Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of
    Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how
    just how exploitative Russia's socalist state was to its people.

    Similarly I know several Chinese Ex-Pats who say similar things about
    the CCP & how things are run in China.

    How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?

    ... White dwarf seeks red giant for binary relationship.


    1) All big businesses started small.  Microsoft started in someone's basement.
    2) 50% of the American economy is small businesses.
    3) If the state is ever going to wither away, and it's going to be a
    Utopia as Karl Marx said, then why don't the Communists just say no one
    owns anything today unless they're carrying it?
    4) Why not just raise the minimum wage to 50% per capita GDP after taxes?
    5) And have free education, and 1/2 minimum wage to non-earners.  i.e.
    more Socialism, not Communism.
    6) Why does the government have to own all the means of production?  Why
    not just some of the means of food production.  Or, what if businesses merely couldn't ever pay dividends, what would the difference even be?
    At the moment I'm not sure how you can restrict spending on high
    salaries though, ultimately, everyone should get equal pay (or
    consumption) for an hour worked at anything is obvious.  We're all equal
    in cost and expense and Spirit.  We differ temporarily in assets until everyone has everything. Pay (in Capitalism) is a return on capital, for instance your skills and education, more than your labor.
    7) Saving is what Capitalism does better than Communism.  Capitalists
    don't consume everything they produce.  China has been saving, and so Communism has apparently worked out a bit there.








    I think Communism is a bit like pedophilia. You can always find
    adherents, but they are certainly not mainstream.

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