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On 16 Feb 2025, Cane Cieco <kimsterx25@gmail.com> posted some news:20250216171021.162934060D@4uwpi53u524xdphjw2dv5kywsxmyjxtk4facb76jgl 3sc3nda3sz4fqd.onion:

Nomen Nescio wrote:> Anark Pnk
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

Is APA-S fighting mass control or is it an archaeological museum of
used things?

A knife is a tool from the Stone Age, nevertheless still
indispensable. And here in this group it's about principles of
anonymous communication that have stood the test of time resisting
surveillance and censorship.

And do you think that resisting with a knife is only a purely
aesthetic gesture or something absolutely effective?

How effective do you think you'll be in knife fight without one? I'll put
a combat trained militarist with a KA-BAR up against a Hi-yah guy without
one any day of the week because I know who's going to win 99.9% of the
time.

Same goes for "legacy" anon communications.

Would you bet your life on Whatsapp or Telegram?

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segfault wrote:> On 16 Feb 2025, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> posted some

news:7d880d3df20d63404fb3690f01ca8798@dizum.com:

Anark Pnk <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

Is APA-S fighting mass control or is it an archaeological museum of
used things?

A knife is a tool from the Stone Age, nevertheless still
indispensable. And here in this group it's about principles of
anonymous communication that have stood the test of time resisting
surveillance and censorship.

+1

Who told you it resisted? You say?

Bonne journée et soyez bien!

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Nomen Nescio wrote:> On 16 Feb 2025, Cane Cieco <kimsterx25@gmail.com> posted some

news:20250216171021.162934060D@4uwpi53u524xdphjw2dv5kywsxmyjxtk4facb76jgl 3sc3nda3sz4fqd.onion:

Nomen Nescio wrote:> Anark Pnk
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

Is APA-S fighting mass control or is it an archaeological museum of
used things?

A knife is a tool from the Stone Age, nevertheless still
indispensable. And here in this group it's about principles of
anonymous communication that have stood the test of time resisting
surveillance and censorship.

And do you think that resisting with a knife is only a purely
aesthetic gesture or something absolutely effective?

How effective do you think you'll be in knife fight without one? I'll put
a combat trained militarist with a KA-BAR up against a Hi-yah guy without
one any day of the week because I know who's going to win 99.9% of the
time.

Same goes for "legacy" anon communications.

Would you bet your life on Whatsapp or Telegram?

Unfortunately, the era of melee weapons has come to an end. I don't want us to end up like Don Quixote, whose visionary stubbornness leads him to see reality through distorted eyes. We can keep mistaking outdated tools for bastions of security,
vulnerable algorithms for impenetrable shields, and obsolete protocols for solid fortresses, but the truth is different: fighting with dull weapons is not an act of resistance—it’s digital suicide.

Today, the landscape of global surveillance is evolving into something we have no experience of.

Those who insist on clinging to outdated technologies are not protecting privacy; they are endangering it.

Those who control the present have already deciphered the keys to the past.

Gabx

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Gabx <nessuno@domain.invalid> wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:> On 16 Feb 2025, Cane Cieco <kimsterx25@gmail.com> posted some

news:20250216171021.162934060D@4uwpi53u524xdphjw2dv5kywsxmyjxtk4facb76jgl
3sc3nda3sz4fqd.onion:

Nomen Nescio wrote:> Anark Pnk
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

Is APA-S fighting mass control or is it an archaeological museum of
used things?

A knife is a tool from the Stone Age, nevertheless still
indispensable. And here in this group it's about principles of
anonymous communication that have stood the test of time resisting
surveillance and censorship.

And do you think that resisting with a knife is only a purely
aesthetic gesture or something absolutely effective?

How effective do you think you'll be in knife fight without one? I'll put >> a combat trained militarist with a KA-BAR up against a Hi-yah guy without
one any day of the week because I know who's going to win 99.9% of the
time.

Same goes for "legacy" anon communications.

Would you bet your life on Whatsapp or Telegram?

Unfortunately, the era of melee weapons has come to an end. I don't want us to end up like Don Quixote, whose visionary stubbornness leads him to see reality through distorted eyes. We can keep mistaking outdated tools for bastions of security,

vulnerable algorithms for impenetrable shields, and obsolete protocols for solid
fortresses, but the truth is different: fighting with dull weapons is not an act of resistance—it’s digital suicide.

Today, the landscape of global surveillance is evolving into something we have no experience of.

Those who insist on clinging to outdated technologies are not protecting privacy; they are endangering it.

Those who control the present have already deciphered the keys to the past.

Gabx

Are you just trying to spread FUD in order to support half-baked
experimental toys, or are there any clear indications that conventional encryption is broken, all remailers are compromized and Chaum mixes are
a flawed concept? So which proven alternatives would you recommend?

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Nomen Nescio wrote:

Are you just trying to spread FUD in order to support half-baked
experimental toys, or are there any clear indications that conventional encryption is broken, all remailers are compromized and Chaum mixes are
a flawed concept? So which proven alternatives would you recommend?

I have run a remailer out of my own pocket for many years, with my own funds. I don’t think it’s the time to explain to YOU how much I care about APA-S, how much this is not a FUD post, how much i don't depend on shit tools like telegram or whatsapp
or what I want to propose as an alternative, neither.

I have seen the evolution of APA-S and if I say this is because if in the past this approach worked, now , with a lot of humility I think it’s no longer the case.

As I see it you try to throw gasoline on a fire that does not exist, it’s only in your head.

Get a life

Gabx

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On 17 Feb 2025, Gabx <00000@zero.null> posted some news:20250217182050.0B7F640039@4uwpi53u524xdphjw2dv5kywsxmyjxtk4facb76jgl 3sc3nda3sz4fqd.onion:

Nomen Nescio wrote:

Are you just trying to spread FUD in order to support half-baked
experimental toys, or are there any clear indications that
conventional encryption is broken, all remailers are compromized and
Chaum mixes are a flawed concept? So which proven alternatives would
you recommend?

I have run a remailer out of my own pocket for many years, with my own
funds. I don’t think it’s the time to explain to YOU how much I
care about APA-S, how much this is not a FUD post, how much i don't
depend on shit tools like telegram or whatsapp or what I want to
propose as an alternative, neither.

I have seen the evolution of APA-S and if I say this is because if in
the past this approach worked, now , with a lot of humility I think
it’s no longer the case.

As I see it you try to throw gasoline on a fire that does not exist,
it’s only in your head.

Get a life

chuckle! good response. thanks for all you've done to augment and
advance these services.

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Gabx <00000@zero.null> wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:

Are you just trying to spread FUD in order to support half-baked
experimental toys, or are there any clear indications that conventional
encryption is broken, all remailers are compromized and Chaum mixes are
a flawed concept? So which proven alternatives would you recommend?

I have run a remailer out of my own pocket for many years, with my own funds. I don’t think it’s the time to explain to YOU how much I care about APA-S, how much this is not a FUD post, how much i don't depend on shit tools like telegram or

whatsapp or what I want to propose as an alternative, neither.

I have seen the evolution of APA-S and if I say this is because if in the past this approach worked, now , with a lot of humility I think it’s no longer the case.

As I see it you try to throw gasoline on a fire that does not exist, it’s only in your head.

Get a life

Gabx

Touching though vacuous.

I wonder why you, driven by such dystopic fantasies of inescapable total surveillance by omnipotent global players, instead of getting a life,
are still actively engaged in this in your view absolutely irrelevant
group of hopelessly ignorant lost souls.

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On 18/02/2025 08:06, Yamn3 Remailer wrote:

Gabx <00000@zero.null> wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:

Are you just trying to spread FUD in order to support half-baked
experimental toys, or are there any clear indications that conventional
encryption is broken, all remailers are compromized and Chaum mixes are
a flawed concept? So which proven alternatives would you recommend?

I have run a remailer

What sort?


out of my own pocket for many years, with my own funds. I don’t think
it’s the time to explain to YOU how much I care about APA-S, how much
this is not a FUD post, how much i don't depend on shit tools like
telegram or whatsapp or what I want to propose as an alternative, neither.

I have seen the evolution of APA-S and if I say this is because if in the past this approach worked, now , with a lot of humility I think it’s no longer the case.

As I see it you try to throw gasoline on a fire that does not exist, it’s only in your head.

Get a life

Gabx

Touching though vacuous.

I wonder why you, driven by such dystopic fantasies of inescapable total surveillance by omnipotent global players, instead of getting a life,
are still actively engaged in this in your view absolutely irrelevant
group of hopelessly ignorant lost souls.

Well, naming no names, there are a few about ...

Looking at this thread, I'm unsure what APA-S actually is? I know of the affine-power-affine S-box, typically used as a replacement for the AES
s-box, but is there something else? From context it isn't clear.

Incidentally, I wouldn't trust the affine-power-affine S-box any more
than I would the AES s-box - probably less, as it hasn't had as much
analysis. What did Schneier say? Ah, here 'tis:

"Anyone, from the most clueless amateur to the best cryptographer, can
create an algorithm that he himself can't break. It's not even hard.
What is hard is creating an algorithm that no one else can break, even
after years of analysis. And the only way to prove that is to subject
the algorithm to years of analysis by the best cryptographers around."

Of course he is wrong about years of analysis proving anything,
especially as the creator who wants to create a cipher which he alone
can break as he has the advantage of design obscurity - but it does help.



As to idea that the PTB tweaked AES so they could read it, well maybe.
That would be in (part of) their remit, they have tried similar things
in the past, and they would love to do it.

But I don't think they did or could have, except maybe some of the
tweaks on AES-256. The real spooks are looking at Soviet and Chinese
(and probably Iranian etc) ciphers, the peepers have their place but the
PTB also have a responsibility to secure domestic ciphers against furriners.

Just my 2p.

Peter Fairbrother

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