• Re: (R) Copa Libertadores semifinals

    From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Thu Oct 31 19:48:42 2024
    On 2024-10-31 3:16 p.m., Werner Pichler wrote:
    On 31.10.2024 06:19, Lléo wrote:
    1st legs played on October 22 and 23rd, 2nd legs on October 29th and
    30th. Both semis were over in the first leg, really, and we're on to
    the 4th all-Brazilian final in 5 seasons.

    Atlético Mineiro 3-0 River Plate (at Arena MRV, Belo Horizonte)
    River Plate 0-0 Atlético Mineiro (at Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires)

    In front of a crowd of 44,870 (which is now Arena MRV's record),
    Atlético dominated its home fixture and had Deyverson putting out a
    man-of-the match performance, scoring twice and assisting Paulinho for
    the third goal. River could do little but try to limit damages, and
    fail at that.

    Second leg was a different story. Before a full house at Monumental de
    Nuñez, River dominated actions and made most of the play. Yet Atlético
    put on a solid defensive display and, when that wasn't enough,
    goalkeeper Everson rose to the occasion, making a number of key saves.
    Indeed, for all of River's dominance, the best chance of the match was
    Atlético's. River fans put out a great show, though, and kept singing
    on even when it was clear that they would not bridge the three-goal
    gap - and, indeed, carried on after final whistle.

    Botafogo 5-0 Peñarol (at Estádio Nilton Santos, Rio de Janeiro)
    Peñarol 3-1 Botafogo (at Estádio Centenário, Montevideo)

    This one had more tension to it. Incidents of vandalism involving
    Peñarol fans in Rio de Janeiro, coupled with the violent approach of
    RJ police resulted in the arrest of 20 of them before the game. They
    are still behind bars to this day and there are narratives pointing
    fingers and shifting blame, with the Brazilian press on one side and
    Argentinian/Uruguayan press on the other.

    During the match, Peñarol even put on a good show in the first half
    and held a 0-0 draw, but in the second half Botafogo kicked up a
    couple of gears and the floodgates opened, with goals by Barboza, Luiz
    Henrique, Igor Jesus and two by Savarino. A bloodbath, which was
    probably Botafogo's finest display this season.

    Tensions were very high for the second leg, in Montevideo, due to the
    situation of Peñarol fans arrested in Brasil. Over the week, the
    Uruguayan Interior Ministry requested that the game be played without
    away fans, with the support of the AUF and Peñarol's. Conmebol would
    have none of that, though, and replied that either the game would go
    on with both sets of fans present (and with due security guarantees)
    or it would be played (a) behind closed doors or (b) away from
    Uruguay. In the eleventh hour a solution was found: it was moved away
    from Peñarol's stadium, Campeón del Siglo, to the old Centenário,
    which is larger and made it easier to separate both sets of fans.

    On the field, Peñarol played with a lot of heart and earned a deserved
    victory. It is true that Botafogo rested players who were one yellow
    card away from a suspension (which included some of their main stars),
    with the only exception being goalkeeper John, who, due to this, was
    under strict orders to not waste time on goal kicks or even try to
    talk to the referee. Artur Jorge was visibly tense about this every
    time his keeper had the ball :-). But, though the game was hard (one
    red card for each side), it did not descend into a hackfest.

    No exchange of jerseys post final whistle, though, as Botafogo players
    stayed celebrating on one end of the pitch, in front of the emptier
    side of the stands, where their fans were, while Peñarol players were
    around the middle of the pitch, receiving the applause of the rest of
    the stadium's crowd

    The final will be played on November 30th, at Estadio Monumental de
    Nuñez, in Buenos Aires. With a capacity of 84,567, it is currently the
    biggest stadium in South America. Conmebol may have hoped that an
    Argentinian club made the final, which would make it easier to make it
    a full house, but now they're stuck with two Brazilians. I've heard
    talk about moving it to Independiente's aptly named Estadio
    Libertadores de America (capacity 49,592), but I'm not sure if this is
    indeed being considered by the powers-that-be.

    This will be Atlético Mineiro's second final, the previous one having
    been in 2013, in which they beat Olimpia on penalties. Botafogo makes
    the final for the first time, having been a semifinalist in 1963
    (eliminated by Pelé's Santos) and 1973 (outdone by Colo-Colo and Cerro
    Porteño in their semifinal group). They are the only Brazilian big
    club that still haven't won Copa Libertadores.

    Both teams have also to contend with battle in other fronts: Atlético
    Mineiro plays Flamengo in Copa do Brasil final, while Botafogo leads
    the league by three points, with seven rounds to go. Atlético settles
    their deal on November 3rd (in Maracanã) and 10th (Arena MRV), while
    Botafogo has to face four league rounds over the month before November
    30th.

    Thanks for the round-up!

    This also means Brazil will send four teams to the newfangled Club World
    Cup next summer, despite an ostensible two-clubs-per-association limit
    (that doesn't apply to the Copa Libertadores winners).

    Ciao,
    Werner


    Best regards,

    Lléo


    The true hipsters are watching Copa sudamerica

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  • From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to Binder Dundat on Thu Oct 31 20:43:49 2024
    On 2024-10-31 7:48 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
    On 2024-10-31 3:16 p.m., Werner Pichler wrote:
    On 31.10.2024 06:19, Lléo wrote:
    1st legs played on October 22 and 23rd, 2nd legs on October 29th and
    30th. Both semis were over in the first leg, really, and we're on to
    the 4th all-Brazilian final in 5 seasons.

    Atlético Mineiro 3-0 River Plate (at Arena MRV, Belo Horizonte)
    River Plate 0-0 Atlético Mineiro (at Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires) >>>
    In front of a crowd of 44,870 (which is now Arena MRV's record),
    Atlético dominated its home fixture and had Deyverson putting out a
    man-of-the match performance, scoring twice and assisting Paulinho
    for the third goal. River could do little but try to limit damages,
    and fail at that.

    Second leg was a different story. Before a full house at Monumental
    de Nuñez, River dominated actions and made most of the play. Yet
    Atlético put on a solid defensive display and, when that wasn't
    enough, goalkeeper Everson rose to the occasion, making a number of
    key saves. Indeed, for all of River's dominance, the best chance of
    the match was Atlético's. River fans put out a great show, though,
    and kept singing on even when it was clear that they would not bridge
    the three-goal gap - and, indeed, carried on after final whistle.

    Botafogo 5-0 Peñarol (at Estádio Nilton Santos, Rio de Janeiro)
    Peñarol 3-1 Botafogo (at Estádio Centenário, Montevideo)

    This one had more tension to it. Incidents of vandalism involving
    Peñarol fans in Rio de Janeiro, coupled with the violent approach of
    RJ police resulted in the arrest of 20 of them before the game. They
    are still behind bars to this day and there are narratives pointing
    fingers and shifting blame, with the Brazilian press on one side and
    Argentinian/Uruguayan press on the other.

    During the match, Peñarol even put on a good show in the first half
    and held a 0-0 draw, but in the second half Botafogo kicked up a
    couple of gears and the floodgates opened, with goals by Barboza,
    Luiz Henrique, Igor Jesus and two by Savarino. A bloodbath, which was
    probably Botafogo's finest display this season.

    Tensions were very high for the second leg, in Montevideo, due to the
    situation of Peñarol fans arrested in Brasil. Over the week, the
    Uruguayan Interior Ministry requested that the game be played without
    away fans, with the support of the AUF and Peñarol's. Conmebol would
    have none of that, though, and replied that either the game would go
    on with both sets of fans present (and with due security guarantees)
    or it would be played (a) behind closed doors or (b) away from
    Uruguay. In the eleventh hour a solution was found: it was moved away
    from Peñarol's stadium, Campeón del Siglo, to the old Centenário,
    which is larger and made it easier to separate both sets of fans.

    On the field, Peñarol played with a lot of heart and earned a
    deserved victory. It is true that Botafogo rested players who were
    one yellow card away from a suspension (which included some of their
    main stars), with the only exception being goalkeeper John, who, due
    to this, was under strict orders to not waste time on goal kicks or
    even try to talk to the referee. Artur Jorge was visibly tense about
    this every time his keeper had the ball :-). But, though the game was
    hard (one red card for each side), it did not descend into a hackfest.

    No exchange of jerseys post final whistle, though, as Botafogo
    players stayed celebrating on one end of the pitch, in front of the
    emptier side of the stands, where their fans were, while Peñarol
    players were around the middle of the pitch, receiving the applause
    of the rest of the stadium's crowd

    The final will be played on November 30th, at Estadio Monumental de
    Nuñez, in Buenos Aires. With a capacity of 84,567, it is currently
    the biggest stadium in South America. Conmebol may have hoped that an
    Argentinian club made the final, which would make it easier to make
    it a full house, but now they're stuck with two Brazilians. I've
    heard talk about moving it to Independiente's aptly named Estadio
    Libertadores de America (capacity 49,592), but I'm not sure if this
    is indeed being considered by the powers-that-be.

    This will be Atlético Mineiro's second final, the previous one having
    been in 2013, in which they beat Olimpia on penalties. Botafogo makes
    the final for the first time, having been a semifinalist in 1963
    (eliminated by Pelé's Santos) and 1973 (outdone by Colo-Colo and
    Cerro Porteño in their semifinal group). They are the only Brazilian
    big club that still haven't won Copa Libertadores.

    Both teams have also to contend with battle in other fronts: Atlético
    Mineiro plays Flamengo in Copa do Brasil final, while Botafogo leads
    the league by three points, with seven rounds to go. Atlético settles
    their deal on November 3rd (in Maracanã) and 10th (Arena MRV), while
    Botafogo has to face four league rounds over the month before
    November 30th.

    Thanks for the round-up!

    This also means Brazil will send four teams to the newfangled Club World
    Cup next summer, despite an ostensible two-clubs-per-association limit
    (that doesn't apply to the Copa Libertadores winners).

    Ciao,
    Werner


    Best regards,

    Lléo


    The true hipsters are watching Copa sudamerica


    Wait what? Memphis Depay is playing for Corintihinans? That makes this
    so not Hipsternow. But game over, Corinthinas lead 3-2 with 80 mins
    left, there is not possibble way Racing comesback with only 80 minutes left

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