• National anthem again

    From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 13:06:02 2024
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess. Here's one I heard last night. I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Aug 23 17:47:09 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:06:02 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess. Here's one I heard last night. I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Fri Aug 23 18:53:42 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:35:06 +0000, bbug wrote:

    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    My moral standards have nothing to do with my evaluation of a musical
    piece. I still like some renditions of the song, like Marvin Gaye from
    the NBA all star game, but I'll never stand for the anthem because of
    who wrote it, among other reasons. I don't get all this "love your
    country" talk in general. Very few of us have ever lived in more than
    one country, let alone a lot of countries where we can give an informed
    opinion as to which country is the best.

    Roger has lived in the UK and the USA, so he could tell us which he
    prefers and why. A country, a state, a city, a town, etc.. is just a
    place where you live in my mind. I'm positive there are other places I
    could live that I would like more than where I live now. I'm just not
    willing to pick up and move to find out.

    I would think that someone like you who does care about lyrics and other
    things aside from what's coming out of the speakers would have a problem
    with a slave owner calling his country "the land of the free."

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 18:35:06 2024
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.

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  • From Steve Mc@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Aug 23 14:54:35 2024
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and maybe
    is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the national
    anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable. I guess to
    try to show off their annoying chops ?

    Steve Mc

    DNA to SBC to respond

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to bbug on Fri Aug 23 21:05:13 2024
    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is. It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Steve Mc on Fri Aug 23 21:02:54 2024
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and maybe
    is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the national
    anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable. I guess to
    try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 02:02:57 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is. It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he
    really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get
    caught.

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  • From Steve Mc@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Aug 23 19:46:24 2024
    On 8/23/2024 6:02 PM, DianeE wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and
    maybe is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the
    national anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable.
    I guess to try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

    I didn't mean to imply that I thought it did.

    Just the Star Spangled Banner mention made me think of that.


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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Aug 23 22:47:05 2024
    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner. BTW, that only applies to the lyrics. The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an
    instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 02:58:25 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 2:47:05 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer >>>> meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he
    really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get
    caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner. BTW, that only applies to the lyrics. The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave
    owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to stevemc209@sbcglobal.net on Fri Aug 23 22:37:41 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:46:24 -0700, Steve Mc
    <stevemc209@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 6:02 PM, DianeE wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.á Here's one I heard last night.á I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and
    maybe is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the
    national anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable.
    I guess to try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

    I didn't mean to imply that I thought it did.

    Just the Star Spangled Banner mention made me think of that.

    I am with your position on the excess ornament hanging on that tune.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Jim Colegrove on Fri Aug 23 23:50:06 2024
    On 8/23/2024 11:37 PM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:46:24 -0700, Steve Mc
    <stevemc209@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 6:02 PM, DianeE wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the >>>>> ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and
    maybe is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the
    national anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable.
    I guess to try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

    I didn't mean to imply that I thought it did.

    Just the Star Spangled Banner mention made me think of that.

    I am with your position on the excess ornament hanging on that tune.

    ------------
    Me too. IMO, Whitney Houston's much-admired version is a bravura
    performance, but the song itself gets lost in there.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Aug 23 23:18:14 2024
    On 8/23/2024 10:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 2:47:05 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the
    writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread >>>>> trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he >>> really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get
    caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner.  BTW, that only applies to the lyrics.  The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an
    instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.
    ---------------
    Okay, let's review here.
    I post a link to a version of the anthem that I very much enjoyed
    listening to.

    You respond "FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner."

    *Then* you say you have no objection to what it sounds like, you only
    have a problem with people wanting you to show reverence.
    Well, nobody asked you to show reverence. I said I liked this version,
    I didn't say "Stand up, take your hat off, and listen to it." I said I
    enjoyed listening to it and you said "FUCK the national anthem, it was
    written by a slave owner."

    Or did you say "Covfefe?" Just as meaningful.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 04:45:46 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 3:18:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 2:47:05 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the
    writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread >>>>>> trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer, >>>>> could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a >>>> problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one >>>> of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do >>>> that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he >>>> really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get >>>> caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner.  BTW, that only applies to the lyrics.  The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an
    instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave
    owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.
    ---------------
    Okay, let's review here.
    I post a link to a version of the anthem that I very much enjoyed
    listening to.

    You respond "FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner."

    *Then* you say you have no objection to what it sounds like, you only
    have a problem with people wanting you to show reverence.
    Well, nobody asked you to show reverence. I said I liked this version,
    I didn't say "Stand up, take your hat off, and listen to it." I said I enjoyed listening to it and you said "FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner."

    Or did you say "Covfefe?" Just as meaningful.

    I saw the anthem mentioned and it reminded me to mention that it was
    written by a slave owner which sticks in my mind more than discussing
    the Chicks version which wasn't bad.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 09:39:20 2024
    "It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played."


    I don't believe Diane was asking you to show reverence when you
    commented "fuck the national anthem. It was written by a slave owner."

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 09:44:06 2024
    I remember being blown away by the sincerity in Jose Feliciano's
    version, but I do agree with Steve's complaint about modern singers. In
    fact, it drives me crazy.

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