• Re: MY FAVE TOP 20 BY A VOCAL GROUP.......1963

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 08:10:25 2024
    Here is what I came up with:

    1 ¦ It's All Right ¦ Impressions
    2 ¦ I Want A Love I Can See ¦ Temptations
    3 ¦ Little Deuce Coupe ¦ Beach Boys
    4 ¦ Surfin' USA ¦ Beach Boys
    5 ¦ She Loves You ¦ Beatles
    6 ¦ Little Saint Nick ¦ Beach Boys
    7 ¦ Surfer Girl ¦ Beach Boys
    8 ¦ Come And Get These Memories ¦ Martha & Vandellas
    9 ¦ Sleigh Ride ¦ Ronettes
    10 ¦ When The Lovelight Starts Shining ¦ Supremes
    11 ¦ Twist And Shout ¦ Beatles
    12 ¦ Talking About My Baby ¦ Impressions
    13 ¦ Ruler Of My Heart ¦ Irma Thomas
    14 ¦ Pride And Joy ¦ Marvin Gaye
    15 ¦ This Boy ¦ Beatles
    16 ¦ Da Doo Ron Ron ¦ Crystals
    17 ¦ A Quiet Place ¦ Garnet Mimms & Enchanters
    18 ¦ Sad Sad Girl And Boy ¦ Impressions
    19 ¦ Shut Down ¦ Beach Boys
    20 ¦ So Much In Love ¦ Tymes
    21 ¦ What Kind Of Fool ¦ Tams
    22 ¦ Hey Little Cobra ¦ Rip Chords
    23 ¦ Don't Leave Me Baby ¦ Camelots
    24 ¦ Mickey's Monkey ¦ Miracles
    25 ¦ Unchained Melody ¦ Vito & Salutations
    26 ¦ One Fine Day ¦ Chiffons
    27 ¦ Donna The Prima Donna ¦ Dion
    28 ¦ Be My Baby ¦ Ronettes
    29 ¦ Catch A Wave ¦ Beach Boys
    30 ¦ Cherry ¦ Rivingtons
    31 ¦ I Want You To Be Mine ¦ Flairs
    32 ¦ Denise ¦ Randy & Rainbows
    33 ¦ Hello Stranger ¦ Barbara Lewis
    34 ¦ In My Room ¦ Beach Boys
    35 ¦ Then He Kissed Me ¦ Crystals
    36 ¦ On Broadway ¦ Drifters
    37 ¦ Here Comes Santa Claus ¦ Bob B. Sox & Blue Jeans
    38 ¦ Strange Feeling ¦ Billy Stewart
    39 ¦ Baby I Love You ¦ Ronettes
    40 ¦ Parade Of The Wooden Soldiers ¦ Crystals
    41 ¦ Quicksand ¦ Martha & Vandellas
    42 ¦ Heat Wave ¦ Martha & Vandellas
    43 ¦ I Know, I Know ¦ Pookie Hudson
    44 ¦ The Shoop Shoop Song (It's In His Kiss) ¦ Betty Everett
    45 ¦ South Street ¦ Orlons
    46 ¦ Not Me ¦ Orlons
    47 ¦ That's What You're Doing To Me ¦ Diablos
    48 ¦ It Hurts Me So ¦ Tony Allen & Twilighters
    49 ¦ It Won't Be This Way Always ¦ Kingpins
    50 ¦ Down At Papa Joe's ¦ Dixie Belles
    51 ¦ Frosty The Snowman ¦ Ronettes
    52 ¦ You Can't Sit Down ¦ Dovells
    53 ¦ Amazons And Coyotes ¦ Dreamlovers
    54 ¦ Workout With Your Pretty Girl ¦ Tony & Technics
    55 ¦ Two Faces Have I ¦ Lou Christie
    56 ¦ The Kind Of Boy You Can't Forget ¦ Raindrops
    57 ¦ Killer Joe ¦ Rocky Fellers
    58 ¦ I Only Want To Be With You ¦ Dusty Springield
    59 ¦ Anyone Who Had A Heart ¦ Dionne Warwick
    60 ¦ 39-21-46 ¦ Showmen
    61 ¦ Who Do You Love ¦ Sapphires
    62 ¦ Don't Let Her Be Your Baby ¦ Contours
    63 ¦ Here I Am ¦ Betty Lavett
    64 ¦ Leaving Here ¦ Eddie Holland
    65 ¦ Nursery Love ¦ Little Prince & Freeloaders
    66 ¦ Memories Of El Monte ¦ Penguins
    67 ¦ Heaven Only Knows ¦ Little Cheryl
    68 ¦ Here She Comes Again ¦ Upfronts
    69 ¦ Do You Want To Know A Secret ¦ Beatles
    70 ¦ That's How Heartaches Are Made ¦ Baby Washington
    71 ¦ Hawaii ¦ Beach Boys
    72 ¦ Keep On Dancing ¦ Avantis
    73 ¦ Old McDonald ¦ Nolan Strong & Diablos
    74 ¦ Play Me A Sad Song ¦ Dotty Daniels
    75 ¦ Pamela Jean ¦ Survivors
    76 ¦ Oh My Love ¦ Chiffons
    77 ¦ I Say, I Love You ¦ Johnny Watson

    Rog, who do you not consider the Beach Boys to be a vocal group? They
    are known for their harmonies How is "Surfer Girl" not a vocal group
    record. They are a self contained unit.

    As for the Beatles I only listed songs where at least 3 of them are
    singing on the track, especially "This Boy."

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:36:36 2024
    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1963

    1.ON BROADWAY – THE DRIFTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E7M4e2lFtw

    The Drifters most successful record of the year reaching #9 BB Hot 100
    and #7 BB r&b. Released on Atlantic this was penned by Barry Mann &
    Cynthia Weil in collaboration with Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller. Released
    in UK on London—sadly to no chart action

    2. IT’S ALL RIGHT – THE IMPRESSIONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FaDo1O5Ds

    Penned by Curtis Mayfield and on ABC-Paramount this was the Impressions’
    most successful single to date reaching #4 BB Hot 100 and #1 BB r&b.
    Released in UK on HMV—again no chart action

    3. HEAT WAVE – MARTHA & THE VANDELLAS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs9d4Uakwzw

    With the Motown boom now in full swing Martha & The Vandellas now stoke
    up those fires with their biggest single of the year on Gordy reaching
    #4 BB pop and #1 BB r&b. Released in UK in October 1963 the very first
    Motown record to appear under new distribution via EMI on their new
    Stateside label

    4. TALKING ABOUT MY BABY – THE IMPRESSIONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhQrjN2jaI

    Another Curtis Mayfield penned classic for ABC-Paramount that again
    rose high in the BB charts reaching #12 Hot 100 and #2 r&b. This was
    released December 1963 in USA and February 1964 in UK on HMV

    5. THE TEMPTATIONS – I WANT A LOVE I CAN SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4dd94kPur4

    With their best record of 1963 you knew the Temptations were knocking
    louder and louder at that hitsville door and it was just a matter of
    time before these guys really EXPLODED!! It really should have happened
    with this one but….not long to wait now. As with all their other earlier singles The Temptations were ignored over here and not released---but
    that situation is about to change….

    6. BE MY BABY – THE RONETTES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdMCAaC8EI0

    Hit trio from NYC led by Veronica (“Ronnie”) Bennett (later Spector) who’d been around the block a few times on a couple of labels before
    signing on with Phil Spector on his Philles label where their fortunes
    changed drastically.This one smashed the US charts open going #2 BB pop
    and #4 r&b. On the London label here in UK the gals were just as big
    going to #3 in November 1963 (just behind “She Loves You”)

    7. SLEIGH RIDE – THE RONETTES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZTzai1H9DM

    Those gals are back here with one of my favorite Christmas records ever
    (and one that still sounds great at any time of year) taken from what is definitely my very favorite Christmas LP---the various artists’ “A Christmas Gift For You” album on Philles (and London in UK) originally released in November 1963 and of which I once saw hundreds (thousands?)
    of copies in an East Coast warehouse

    8. SO LONELY – THE FABULOUS PEARL DEVINES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgrtIVC5SQA

    I don’t remember now who turned me on to this one or when it was---all I
    know is that I’ve been very fond of it since Day One I first heard it.
    All I know is that the lead is one Danny Torres and it’s on the Alco
    label (based on Long Island NY) and that (like so many other total
    rarities) it’s been well bootlegged. And that’s all I know

    9. DA DOO RON RON (WHEN HE WALKED ME HOME) – THE CRYSTALS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ2b9-IjlvM

    Penned by the reliable team of Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry (with
    input from Phil Spector) this is THE archetypal Crystals sound as well
    as the Spector sound.A smash hit on both sides of the puddle this real
    life wall of sound sprang to #3 on the BB Hot 100 and #5 BB r&b. In the
    UK it reached #5 on London in 1963 and then returned to the charts in
    1974 reaching #13 on a Warner/Spector reissue

    10. I’M THE ONE WHO LOVES YOU – THE IMPRESSIONS youtube.com/watch?v=LGNkcYwTywQ

    Still playing the “occasional hit” game before becoming really regular hitmakers with “It’s All Right”,the fine Curtis Mayfield penned “I’m The
    One Who Loves You” released in January 1973 was just a minor hit scoring
    #73 on the BB Hot 100. It appeared here in UK on HMV but failed to chart

    11. IF YOU DON’T COME BACK – THE DRIFTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaZZeQnUR1E

    My favorite side of the minor hit “Rat Race” single (tho 45cat has this
    as the “A” side). It’s a fine Leiber & Stoller song with a Johnny Moore lead that didn’t chart but should have. Recorded in NYC April 12 in NYC
    at a session that also produced “Only In America” (see below),”Rat Race”
    and “I’ll Take You Home”

    12. MICKEY’S MONKEY – THE MIRACLES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kLkH1oXvWA

    All together now…..”lum dee lum dee lye-eye………….”

    The Miracles return with a ultra-catchy Holland-Dozier- Holland song
    about a cat named Mickey (supposedly based on real life Motown writer
    and producer) William “Mickey” Stevenson) and his brand new dance “The Monkey” (pushing said dance in real life to huge popularity with hip
    teens) and pushing Smokey & co. all the way to #8 BB pop and #3 BB r&b
    with the song. Here in UK this was the last Motown single released on Oriole-American before Motown distribution here switched to Stateside
    (see #3 above)

    13. COME AND GET THESE MEMORIES – MARTHA & THE VANDELLAS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75yUJI8FKs

    Only their second single for Motown released on their Gordy label saw
    this memorable Holland-Dozier-Holland number by the gals sell well
    enough to put them into the Billboard charts for the very first
    time—going to #29 pop and #6 r&b. UK release was in April 1963 on Oriole-American

    14. SAD SAD GIRL AND BOY – THE IMPRESSIONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg54_7XxsEs

    Lifted from “The Impressions” LP released earlier this was always one of
    my favorite Impressions numbers tho it didn’t do that well chartwise
    (#67 BB pop but no action on r&b chart) and not released here in UK.
    However the group’s fortunes are about to change with their next release—and it’s all right

    15. THE SUPREMES – WHEN THE LOVELIGHT STARTS SHINING THROUGH HIS EYES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diEllyM59s0

    I guess this was the record that put The Supremes on the map---a
    terrifically catchy H-D-H affair handled really well by the girls that
    gave them their biggest hit so far---reaching #23 BB pop and #2 BB r&b.
    Here in UK this introduced us to Diana and the gals being their first
    single over here courtesy the Stateside label.

    But just wait till 1964!!!!!!!!!

    16. HE’S SO FINE – THE CHIFFONS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPr1Wc1U560

    “Doo lang doo lang doo lang”……

    Femme foursome from the Bronx led by Judy Craig signed to Laurie label
    and not to be confused with the earlier different West Coast Chiffons
    group who covered The Shirelles on “Tonight’s The Night”. HUGE hit in 1963 topping both Billboard charts. In UK reached #11 on Stateside

    17. WHAT KIND OF FOOL (DO YOU THINK I AM) – THE TAMS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7E6kTIY8PQ

    Hailing from Atlanta Ga this quintet led by Charles & Joseph Pope
    weren’t newcomers to the music scene having scored a minor hit back in
    1962 on the Arlen label with “Untie Me”. But in late 1963 they are now
    on ABC-Paramount watching their first single for them “What Kind Of Fool
    (Do You Think I Am)” climb the BB pop chart to #9 and go all the way to
    #1 on the r&b chart.

    18. CHERRY – THE RIVINGTONS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAbhRcDtWS8

    The Los Angeles r&b quartet led by Carl White are back here after
    appearing with a couple of my favorite records by them in the earlier
    1962 entry in this review series.

    Here they revive a number originally out in 1953 by The Diamonds (the
    black NYC group on Atlantic not those white Canadian guys) on Liberty in
    a very decent version trying to follow their earlier “Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow” hit---but sadly unsuccessfully as far as sales went. But the record was certainly successful enough with me to make this list (but sadly not to
    make UK release)

    19. ONE FINE DAY – THE CHIFFONS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paBz4LMyf-w

    Okay so how do you follow a smash hit like “He’s So Fine” with another 100% absolutely guaranteed hit? Simple---just record the latest
    offering from the Gerry Goffin/Carole King hit factory and you’re away!!
    And just sit back and watch “One Fine Day” on Laurie soar to #5 BB pop
    and #6 BB r&b. Some folk prefer this one to “He’s So Fine” and I agree its close—but I’ll stay with their first hit. Surprisingly the UK
    Stateside issue of this failed to chart

    20. A LOVE LIKE YOURS (DON’T COME KNOCKING EVERY DAY) – MARTHA & THE VANDELLAS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99k4ghmsK4

    The latest catchy H-D-H number at this point in 1963 was chosen by
    Motown as the preferred flipside to their huge “Heat Wave” success (see
    #3 above) It also appeared as the flip on the UK Stateside release.This
    side didn’t chart on either side of the pond naturally being over
    shadowed by “Heat Wave”.The song was revived in later years in many versions including Ike & Tina Turner,Dusty Springfield and Manfred Mann

    BUBBLING UNDER

    21. I CAN’T STAND IT – THE SOUL SISTERS
    22. ONLY IN AMERICA – THE DRIFTERS (UNRELEASED)
    23. WHEN YOU WALKED OUT – THE ARCADOS
    24. YOU’LL WANT ME BACK – THE IMPRESSIONS
    25. I CAN TAKE A HINT – THE MIRACLES

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 25 11:58:17 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 8:10:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here is what I came up with:

    3 ¦ Little Deuce Coupe ¦ Beach Boys
    4 ¦ Surfin' USA ¦ Beach Boys
    5 ¦ She Loves You ¦ Beatles
    6 ¦ Little Saint Nick ¦ Beach Boys
    7 ¦ Surfer Girl ¦ Beach Boys
    11 ¦ Twist And Shout ¦ Beatles
    15 ¦ This Boy ¦ Beatles
    19 ¦ Shut Down ¦ Beach Boys
    29 ¦ Catch A Wave ¦ Beach Boys
    34 ¦ In My Room ¦ Beach Boys
    69 ¦ Do You Want To Know A Secret ¦ Beatles
    71 ¦ Hawaii ¦ Beach Boys

    Rog, who do you not consider the Beach Boys to be a vocal group? They
    are known for their harmonies How is "Surfer Girl" not a vocal group
    record. They are a self contained unit.

    Yes a self contained unit. Exactly! And each playing an instrument (well
    all except Mike Love).I'd label them a BAND rather than vocal group. I
    think there's a distinction.

    As for the Beatles I only listed songs where at least 3 of them are
    singing on the track, especially "This Boy."

    They're still all playing instruments so = a band in my book. Thats my definition of them and it also explains how I view The Crickets and why "That'll Be The Day" wasn't listed high in the 1957 edition of this
    series on here

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 25 12:41:37 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 8:10:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here is what I came up with:

    Here's those that fall within my 1963 Top 200 (with ratings)

    1 ¦ It's All Right ¦ Impressions
    #4-10
    2 ¦ I Want A Love I Can See ¦ Temptations
    #19- 9
    8 ¦ Come And Get These Memories ¦ Martha & Vandellas
    #52-8
    9 ¦ Sleigh Ride ¦ Ronettes
    #24-9
    10 ¦ When The Lovelight Starts Shining ¦ Supremes
    #59-8
    12 ¦ Talking About My Baby ¦ Impressions
    #17-9
    16 ¦ Da Doo Ron Ron ¦ Crystals
    #32-8
    18 ¦ Sad Sad Girl And Boy ¦ Impressions
    #53-8
    20 ¦ So Much In Love ¦ Tymes
    #175 - 7
    21 ¦ What Kind Of Fool ¦ Tams
    #67 and 8
    23 ¦ Don't Leave Me Baby ¦ Camelots
    #171-7
    24 ¦ Mickey's Monkey ¦ Miracles
    #51 - 8
    25 ¦ Unchained Melody ¦ Vito & Salutations
    Just outside my Top 200. A 7 but not nearly my favorite version
    26 ¦ One Fine Day ¦ Chiffons
    #72-8
    28 ¦ Be My Baby ¦ Ronettes
    #21-9
    30 ¦ Cherry ¦ Rivingtons
    #68- 8
    31 ¦ I Want You To Be Mine ¦ Flairs
    #105-8
    35 ¦ Then He Kissed Me ¦ Crystals
    #169-7
    36 ¦ On Broadway ¦ Drifters
    #3-10
    39 ¦ Baby I Love You ¦ Ronettes
    #110-7
    41 ¦ Quicksand ¦ Martha & Vandellas
    #168-7
    42 ¦ Heat Wave ¦ Martha & Vandellas
    #9-9
    51 ¦ Frosty The Snowman ¦ Ronettes
    #135-7

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 09:43:52 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 07:36:36 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1963

    playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=3E7M4e2lFtw,M5FaDo1O5Ds,gs9d4Uakwzw,tyhQrjN2jaI,M4dd94kPur4,TdMCAaC8EI0,XZTzai1H9DM,GgrtIVC5SQA,vZ2b9-IjlvM,LGNkcYwTywQ,WaZZeQnUR1E,6kLkH1oXvWA,S75yUJI8FKs,eg54_7XxsEs,diEllyM59s0,kPr1Wc1U560,Y7E6kTIY8PQ,
    rAbhRcDtWS8,paBz4LMyf-w,k99k4ghmsK4,

    part black Roger is trying to tell us that white vocal
    groups did not make the best records in 1963

    this is offensive, and blatantly untrue from a white perspective

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 09:38:00 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 11:58:17 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 8:10:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here is what I came up with:

    3 ª Little Deuce Coupe ª Beach Boys
    4 ª Surfin' USA ª Beach Boys
    5 ª She Loves You ª Beatles
    6 ª Little Saint Nick ª Beach Boys
    7 ª Surfer Girl ª Beach Boys
    11 ª Twist And Shout ª Beatles
    15 ª This Boy ª Beatles
    19 ª Shut Down ª Beach Boys
    29 ª Catch A Wave ª Beach Boys
    34 ª In My Room ª Beach Boys
    69 ª Do You Want To Know A Secret ª Beatles
    71 ª Hawaii ª Beach Boys

    Rog, who do you not consider the Beach Boys to be a vocal group? They
    are known for their harmonies How is "Surfer Girl" not a vocal group
    record. They are a self contained unit.

    Yes a self contained unit. Exactly! And each playing an instrument (well
    all except Mike Love).I'd label them a BAND rather than vocal group. I
    think there's a distinction.

    As for the Beatles I only listed songs where at least 3 of them are
    singing on the track, especially "This Boy."

    They're still all playing instruments so = a band in my book. Thats my >definition of them and it also explains how I view The Crickets and why >"That'll Be The Day" wasn't listed high in the 1957 edition of this
    series on here


    How about the Flamingos? They were a band too.
    How about the Four Seasons (the Four Lovers)? They were a band too.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Fri Oct 25 15:39:14 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:17:40 +0000, Roger wrote:

    Again all online sources I've read label them a vocal group"

    Most of the Swallows were playing instruments on stage.

    There is no place I know of that says that a "vocal group" has to only
    sing and not also play instruments. None of the Beach Boys played on
    most of their records, that was the Wrecking Crew. The Beach Boys only
    sang in the studio after the first couple of years. Even Brian did not
    play as he knew that Carol Kaye was a much better bass player than he
    was.

    Not that it should matter anyway. The Beach Boys and Four Seasons were
    vocal groups that also played instruments. Even Mike occasionally played
    sax. Also playing instruments when you were singing does not negate the
    fact that a band can also be a vocal group.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Jim Colegrove on Fri Oct 25 15:17:40 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:38:00 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 11:58:17 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 8:10:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here is what I came up with:

    3 ¦ Little Deuce Coupe ¦ Beach Boys
    4 ¦ Surfin' USA ¦ Beach Boys
    5 ¦ She Loves You ¦ Beatles
    6 ¦ Little Saint Nick ¦ Beach Boys
    7 ¦ Surfer Girl ¦ Beach Boys
    11 ¦ Twist And Shout ¦ Beatles
    15 ¦ This Boy ¦ Beatles
    19 ¦ Shut Down ¦ Beach Boys
    29 ¦ Catch A Wave ¦ Beach Boys
    34 ¦ In My Room ¦ Beach Boys
    69 ¦ Do You Want To Know A Secret ¦ Beatles
    71 ¦ Hawaii ¦ Beach Boys

    Rog, who do you not consider the Beach Boys to be a vocal group? They
    are known for their harmonies How is "Surfer Girl" not a vocal group
    record. They are a self contained unit.

    Yes a self contained unit. Exactly! And each playing an instrument (well
    all except Mike Love).I'd label them a BAND rather than vocal group. I
    think there's a distinction.

    As for the Beatles I only listed songs where at least 3 of them are
    singing on the track, especially "This Boy."

    They're still all playing instruments so = a band in my book. Thats my >>definition of them and it also explains how I view The Crickets and why >>"That'll Be The Day" wasn't listed high in the 1957 edition of this
    series on here


    How about the Flamingos? They were a band too.

    I've seen clips of them on stage where two (out of five or so) have
    instruments but every reference to them on line that I've seen calls
    them a vocal group

    How about the Four Seasons (the Four Lovers)? They were a band too.

    This one bothers me since nearly all the live footage of them on YT
    shows ALL of them playing instruments---but most of it is from later
    years. Were they that way at the actual time of "Sherry" and "Big GIrls
    Don't CRy"? Again all online sources I've read label them "a vocal
    group"

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to RWC on Fri Oct 25 15:44:27 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 13:43:52 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 07:36:36 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1963

    playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=3E7M4e2lFtw,M5FaDo1O5Ds,gs9d4Uakwzw,tyhQrjN2jaI,M4dd94kPur4,TdMCAaC8EI0,XZTzai1H9DM,GgrtIVC5SQA,vZ2b9-IjlvM,LGNkcYwTywQ,WaZZeQnUR1E,6kLkH1oXvWA,S75yUJI8FKs,eg54_7XxsEs,diEllyM59s0,kPr1Wc1U560,Y7E6kTIY8PQ,
    rAbhRcDtWS8,paBz4LMyf-w,k99k4ghmsK4,

    part black Roger is trying to tell us that white vocal
    groups did not make the best records in 1963

    this is offensive, and blatantly untrue from a white perspective

    Roger is trying to tell everyone no such thing

    Roger is merely listing HIS 20 favorite vocal group records from 1963
    (the clue lies in the title of the post) which affects the choices or
    viewpoint of others here not one iota.

    And he will go on doing exactly so

    BTW thank you for your usual interest in my ethnicity

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 20:35:39 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:44:27 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    Roger is merely listing HIS 20 favorite vocal group records from 1963
    (the clue lies in the title of the post)

    which affects the choices or viewpoint of others here not one iota.

    I'm not so sure, going by the tens of millions of folk who fall for
    Trump's 90% hogwash.

    And he will go on doing exactly so

    Darn it!, there's me thinking Roger might cave in.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 21:46:27 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 11:58:17 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    Rog, why do you not consider the Beach Boys to be a vocal group? They
    are known for their harmonies How is "Surfer Girl" not a vocal group
    record. They are a self contained unit.

    Yes a self contained unit. Exactly! And each playing an instrument (well
    all except Mike Love).I'd label them a BAND rather than vocal group. I
    think there's a distinction.

    As for the Beatles I only listed songs where at least 3 of them are
    singing on the track, especially "This Boy."

    OMG Bruce, please stop whimpering to 'Rog' (it's fucking embarrassing),
    which is in stark contrast to *your* ultra aggressive stance, from time
    to time, towards some other newsgroup members over the last 20 years.

    Bruce, you seem to have forgotten your famous and well accepted maxim
    that what really matters is "what comes out of the speaker".

    Roger's 'self contained unit' and 'band v. vocal group' concepts can be legitimately rejected when it comes to defining a "Vocal Group" sound.

    However, this *is* Roger's thread, and all respect to Roger's notions.

    However, other newsgroup members, in a free society, can rebel
    against Roger's very restrictive definition of a vocal group record :-)

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