• MY FAVE TOP 20 BY A VOCAL GROUP.......1957

    From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 4 07:26:14 2024
    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1957

    1. SEARCHIN' - THE COASTERS

    Our FANTASTIC introduction to the Coasters here in UK (on London label
    in June 1957) with this absolute stunner! No earlier records by them
    appeared here and certainly nothing at all by The Robins

    2. LET THE BOOGIE WOOGIE ROLL - CLYDE McPHATTER (actually THE DRIFTERS)

    Recorded at the same 1953 New York session that produced “Money Honey”
    this track finally showed up on an Atlantic EP “All Star Rock ‘N’ Roll” in 1957 (tho there is some dispute over the release year) credited
    simply to “Clyde McPhatter”. Other tracks were by LaVern Baker,Ivory Joe Hunter & Ruth Brown

    3. YOUNG BLOOD - THE COASTERS

    The almost equally good flip of No. 1 above. Recorded at the same 3 day
    session in February 1957 as “Searchin” (but recorded first). Both songs written by and produced by Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller

    4. WHISPERING BELLS - THE DEL-VIKINGS

    GREAT followup to “Come Go With Me” which on London label got a lot more radio play over here than “Come Go With Me” did tho neither charted. My very favorite record at the time.Like their earlier hit this appeared
    (briefly) on Fee Bee then charted on Dot

    5. THAT’S MY DESIRE - THE CHANNELS

    Earl Lewis & the guys certainly worked magic on this one turning what
    had been a mundane old Frankie Laine hit into one of the most vibrant
    r&b vocal group performances of the year.Never released here it was well
    into the 1960’s before I finally made the acquaintance of this stone
    classic

    6. THINK - THE “5” ROYALES

    The original and easily greatest version of this memorable number that
    puts the later James Brown version completely in the shade. Never
    released here (where the Royales were treated appallingly with just ONE
    single release “Dedicated To The One I Love” in 1961)

    7. SWEETHEART PLEASE DON’T GO - THE GLADIOLAS

    Recorded for Excello at a session where it sounds like the wine flowed
    pretty freely this was by far the best side of their original “Little Darlin’” single IMO. I made the acquaintance of this one fairly early on since it appeared here on London label

    8. LONG LONELY NIGHTS - LEE ANDREWS & THE HEARTS

    Originally on Main Line label before Chess took up the reins this is my favorite version of the song easily outstripping both the Clyde
    McPhatter cover and the other cover by The Kings. We got the McPhatter
    version over here but that’s all

    9. LITTLE DARLIN’ - THE DIAMONDS

    Yes,you did read that right!! “Little Darlin’” by the group whose previous records have mostly been godawful covers of other r&b vocal
    group things here finally come good with their one really decent cover
    of The Gladiolas number (by them it’s the inferior “A” side to “Sweetheart Please…” mentioned above. HUGE hit for Mercury on both sides of the puddle

    10. MAYBE - THE CHANTELS

    #1 on my 1957 Top 20 femme (or femme-led) songs with Arlene & the girls
    in fine voice. Amazingly this was voted “Worst Record Of The Year”
    (being 1958 when it came out here on London label) by “New Musical
    Express”

    1l. TEARDROPS - LEE ANDREWS & THE HEARTS

    Another stone classic from the “Long Lonely Nights” boys. This one had a complicated release history appearing on Chess nationally but by special arrangement it appeared as a special Argo label release in Philadelphia
    and the local area. Not released in UK

    12. GET A JOB - THE SILHOUETTES

    Terrific fast pounding group rocker that sold like billy-O reaching #1
    on both the Billboard Top 100 chart and their R&B chart (both in early 1958).Released here in UK in February 1958 on Parlophone

    13. TO THE AISLE - THE FIVE SATINS

    Superior ballad originally recorded earlier in 1957 as “The Aisle” by
    Roy Hamilton
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ea1TeSE-8E

    This was the first Five Satins record to get UK release on London label
    in October 1957.No,”In The Still Of The Nite” sadly didn’t get any kind of UK release---not until 1959 anyway when it finally appeared here as a
    track on the various artists “Sweet Beat” movie soundtrack EP on Top
    Rank

    14. CAN I COME OVER TONIGHT - THE VELOURS

    Okay we’re about getting to the point where some of these records are
    the result of the vast amount of time I spent in Val Shively’s store
    boning up on hundreds (thousands?) of vocal group gems that I never knew
    (never released here) before my several trips to the USA in the early
    70’s.

    15. JUST FOR YOU AND I - THE SUPREMES

    Five man group hailing from Columbus OH and absolutely nothing to do
    with the later girl group of that name who recorded for some tinpot
    little outfit in Detroit. The fine “Just For You And I” was recorded for Johnny Vincent’s Ace label down in Jackson Mississippi.Not released in
    UK

    16. ONLY THE ANGELS KNOW - THE ESQUIRES

    Not to be confused with the 1960’s “Get On Up” group this is another Val Shively special these guys were from the Memphis area and had previously recorded for Sam Phillips at Sun Record under the name of the “Five
    Tinos” with little real success before changing their name to the
    Esquires and cutting this great number for the Hi-Po label in Nashville.
    No UK release

    17. COULD THIS BE MAGIC - THE DUBS

    Fell in love with this one ever since I found an old London 45rpm copy
    in some God forsaken London junk shop many many years ago (they had but
    two releases over here back when---this classic plus the “Beside My
    Love” followup)

    18. MAMBO SANTA MAMBO THE ENCHANTERS

    Along with The Drifters’ “White Christmas” and Chuck’s “Run Rudolph Run”
    this is wayyyy up there in the stratosphere of my very favorite
    Christmas records.The Enchanters were an excellent five man oufit from
    Detroit who arrived on the scene in 1956 with the original version of
    “True Love Gone” (beware the horrid Betty Madigan cover) originally on Mercer label before Coral took over the reins. No UK release

    19. TELL ME WHY - NORMAN FOX & THE ROB-ROYS

    Straight outa da Bronx came the mixed race five man Rob-Roys outfit who
    by much convoluted wrangling ended up recording for Don Robey’s Duke/
    Peacock outfit in Texas (!) and having “Tell Me Why” being one of the
    very first records released on their then-brand new Back Beat subsidiary
    label. Never released in the UK it was 1961 before I made the
    acquaintance of the “Tell Me Why” song when the US hit Belmonts version
    got a few plays over here. It wasn’t too long afterwards that I finally heard---and fell in love with---the much better Rob-Roys original

    20. DON’T ASK ME TO BE LONELY THE DUBS

    Another vocal group classic that I had to wait until my visits to the
    USA to make acquaintance with at Val’s store (tho I already knew the
    group from their two UK releases—see “Could This Be Magic” above).This beauty was the very first Dubs US release (they’d had one record
    previously as “The Marvels” in 1956) with early copies appearing on the Johnson label before Gone took over on the group

    BUBBLING UNDER

    Deserie The Charts
    Florence The Paragons
    While Walking The Fabulaires
    Lost Love The Superiors
    Your Last Chance Lewis Lymon & The Teenchords

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 4 07:47:04 2024
    Here are my Vocal Group favorites for 1957. As long as there is a vocal
    group on the record it is eligible even if they are not credited on the
    label.


    1 ¦ Think ¦ Five Royales
    2 ¦ Searchin' ¦ Coasters
    3 ¦ True Fine Mama ¦ Little Richard
    4 ¦ Mambo Santa Mambo ¦ Enchanters
    5 ¦ Too Much ¦ Elvis Presley
    6 ¦ A White Sport Coat ¦ Marty Robbins
    7 ¦ Say Boss Man ¦ Bo Diddley
    8 ¦ Don't Let Go ¦ Roy Hamilton
    9 ¦ Don't Ask Me (To Be Lonely) ¦ Dubs
    10 ¦ Come On Baby ¦ Andre Williams
    11 ¦ Blue Christmas ¦ Elvis Presley
    12 ¦ Get A Job ¦ Silhouettes
    13 ¦ Treat Me Nice ¦ Elvis Presley
    14 ¦ Walking Along ¦ Solitaires
    15 ¦ I'm Not Too Young To Fall In Love ¦ Lewis Lymon & Teenchords
    16 ¦ My Juanita ¦ Crests
    17 ¦ You're Gonna Cry ¦ Spaniels
    18 ¦ Young Blood ¦ Coasters
    19 ¦ Fools Fall In Love ¦ Drifters
    20 ¦ Everyone's Laughing ¦ Spaniels
    21 ¦ Why Do You Have To Go ¦ Dells
    22 ¦ The Plea ¦ Chantels
    23 ¦ Can I Come Over Tonight ¦ Velours
    24 ¦ Long Lonely Nights ¦ Lee Andrews & Hearts
    25 ¦ Whispering Bells ¦ Del-Vikings
    26 ¦ Teenage Rock ¦ Ronnie Jones & Classmates
    27 ¦ Deserie ¦ Charts
    28 ¦ Maybe ¦ Chantels
    29 ¦ Teenage Love ¦ Frankie Lymon & Teenagers
    30 ¦ Lovin' And Jivin' ¦ Enchanters
    31 ¦ Idol With The Golden Head ¦ Coasters
    32 ¦ Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ¦ Hollywood Flames
    33 ¦ He's Gone ¦ Chantels
    34 ¦ We Belong Together ¦ Robert & Johnny
    35 ¦ When I Woke Up This Morning ¦ Bop-Chords
    36 ¦ The Stroll ¦ Diamonds
    37 ¦ Little Bitty Pretty One ¦ Thurston Harris
    38 ¦ Why Do You Do Me Like You Do ¦ Cleftones
    39 ¦ At The Hop ¦ Danny & Juniors
    40 ¦ When You Come Around ¦ Charlie Feathers
    41 ¦ Too Much Alike ¦ Charlie Feathers
    42 ¦ Book of Love ¦ Monotones
    43 ¦ Sunday Kind of Love ¦ Del-Vikings
    44 ¦ Let The Boogie Woogie Roll ¦ Clyde McPhatter
    45 ¦ Sent Up ¦ Falcons
    46 ¦ Love No One But You ¦ Jesters
    47 ¦ Florence ¦ Paragons
    48 ¦ The Glory of Love ¦ Velvetones
    49 ¦ Baby Oh Baby ¦ Shells
    50 ¦ Tonite, Tonite ¦ Mello-Kings
    51 ¦ The Way I Do ¦ Ernie K-Doe
    52 ¦ Tell Me Why ¦ Norman Fox & Rob Roys
    53 ¦ Down In The Alley ¦ Clovers
    54 ¦ I Beg of You ¦ Elvis Presley
    55 ¦ Santa Claus Is Back In Town ¦ Elvis Presley
    56 ¦ My Girl Friend ¦ Cadillacs
    57 ¦ That's My Desire ¦ Channels
    58 ¦ 26 Miles (Santa Catalina) ¦ Four Preps
    59 ¦ Zoop ¦ Charts
    60 ¦ Come Go With Me ¦ Federals
    61 ¦ Hey Little School Girl ¦ Paragons
    62 ¦ Little Boy And Girl ¦ Kodaks
    63 ¦ Dearest One ¦ Dean Barlow & Montereys
    64 ¦ Big Mama Wants To Rock ¦ Don Julian & Meadowlarks
    65 ¦ While Walking ¦ Fabulaires
    66 ¦ Honey Love ¦ Arthur Lee Maye
    67 ¦ The Cow Jumped Over The Moon ¦ Isley Brothers
    68 ¦ Baby Cries Over The Ocean ¦ James Brown
    69 ¦ Let 'em Roll ¦ Midnighters
    70 ¦ Daddy Cool ¦ Rays
    71 ¦ Peanuts ¦ Little Joe & Thrillers
    72 ¦ Please Let Me Love You ¦ Jesters
    73 ¦ Stick With Me Baby ¦ Paragons
    74 ¦ Louie Louie ¦ Richard Berry & Pharaohs
    75 ¦ At My Front Door ¦ Arthur Lee Maye
    76 ¦ Sh-Boom ¦ Arthur Lee Maye
    77 ¦ Jim Dandy Got Married ¦ Laverne Baker
    78 ¦ I Found Peace of Mind ¦ Pee Wee Crayton (El Dorados)
    79 ¦ Over The Mountain, Across The Sea ¦ Johnnie & Joe
    80 ¦ Little Darlin' ¦ Diamonds
    81 ¦ Only The Angels Know ¦ Esquires
    82 ¦ Dedicated To The One I Love ¦ Five Royales
    83 ¦ Don't Say Goodnight ¦ Valentines
    84 ¦ Drifting Away From You ¦ Drifters
    85 ¦ Time Makes You Change ¦ Dells
    86 ¦ Let's Do The Stroll ¦ Donnie Elbert
    87 ¦ Got My Mojo Working ¦ Ann Cole
    88 ¦ Don't Go ¦ Love Notes
    89 ¦ Congratulations Honey ¦ Baby Washington
    90 ¦ Teardrops ¦ Lee Andrews & Hearts
    91 ¦ Sugah Wooga ¦ Three Playmates
    92 ¦ Happy Happy Birthday Baby ¦ Tuneweavers
    93 ¦ It Hurts To Be in Love ¦ Annie Laurie
    94 ¦ Oh Julie ¦ Crescendos
    95 ¦ Don't ¦ Elvis Presley
    96 ¦ Goody Goody ¦ Frankie Lymon & Teenagers
    97 ¦ Mr. Lee ¦ Bobbettes
    98 ¦ Could This Be Magic ¦ Dubs
    99 ¦ Out in The Cold Again ¦ Frankie Lymon & Teenagers
    100 ¦ Don't Leave Me Now ¦ Elvis Presley
    101 ¦ Bye Bye Baby ¦ Nappy Brown
    102 ¦ Cool Water ¦ Four Tunes
    103 ¦ To The Aisle ¦ Five Satins
    104 ¦ Star Dust ¦ Billy Ward & Dominoes
    105 ¦ Been So Long ¦ Pastels
    106 ¦ Why Don't You Write Me ¦ Philharmonics
    107 ¦ Pain in My Heart ¦ Dells
    108 ¦ I Won't Be The Fool Anymore ¦ Heartbeats
    109 ¦ I Need Your Kisses ¦ Spaniels
    110 ¦ I Want To Be Free ¦ Elvis Presley
    111 ¦ Gee ¦ Arthur Lee Maye
    112 ¦ If You Want To Be A Woman of Mine ¦ Cadillacs
    113 ¦ Dance Girl ¦ Charts
    114 ¦ Mexico ¦ Rocketones
    115 ¦ Little Darlin' ¦ Gladiolas
    116 ¦ Everyday (It's The Same) ¦ Johnny Bell Tones
    117 ¦ Sincerely ¦ Arthur Lee Maye
    118 ¦ The Right Time ¦ Nappy Brown
    119 ¦ Gonna Shout All Over God's Heaven ¦ Jack Teagarden (Five Keys)
    120 ¦ That's Heaven To Me ¦ Soul Stirrers
    121 ¦ I.O.U. ¦ Spaniels
    122 ¦ The Shrine of St. Cecelia ¦ Harptones
    123 ¦ I Want To Know ¦ Heartbeats
    124 ¦ Keep Your Mind on Me ¦ Robins
    125 ¦ Dead Wrong ¦ Five Stars
    126 ¦ Ding Dong ¦ Echoes
    127 ¦ Darling ¦ Debonaires
    128 ¦ Your Last Chance ¦ Lewis Lymon & Teenchords
    129 ¦ The Clock ¦ Lee Andrews & Hearts
    130 ¦ I'm Spinning ¦ Del-Vikings
    131 ¦ Beep-Beep-Beep ¦ Bobby Day & Satellites
    132 ¦ Bottle Up And Go ¦ Enchanters
    133 ¦ Love Me Sweet ¦ Intervals
    134 ¦ After New Year's Eve ¦ Heartbeats
    135 ¦ Lost In Sin ¦ Spirits of Memphis
    136 ¦ A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening ¦ Spaniels
    137 ¦ If I Had A Talking Picture ¦ Jive Bombers
    138 ¦ Baby ¦ Avons
    139 ¦ Stay As You Are ¦ Channels
    140 ¦ How To Do The Bacon Fat ¦ Five Dollars
    141 ¦ Sweetheart Please Don't Go ¦ Gladiolas
    142 ¦ True Fine Mama ¦ Little Julian Herrera
    143 ¦ Thirty Second Lover ¦ Five Royales
    144 ¦ You've Gone ¦ Mellows
    145 ¦ I Am Lonely ¦ Silhouettes
    146 ¦ Don't Say You're Sorry ¦ Kings Men
    147 ¦ Rockin' On The Farm ¦ Raindrops
    148 ¦ He's Mine ¦ Platters
    149 ¦ Shufflin' ¦ Sharps
    150 ¦ So Tough ¦ Casuals
    151 ¦ Ooh Shuck ¦ Five Stars

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 4 15:11:35 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 7:47:04 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here are my Vocal Group favorites for 1957. As long as there is a >vocal group on the record it is eligible even if they are not credited >on the label.

    I can't go along with this sorry. "A White Sport Coat" is a vocal group
    record? Seriously? Call me old fashioned if you like--but in my book a
    vocal group record is a record made by a vocal group.

    A revolutionary idea maybe but thats my take on it


    Okay,a comment or three.........

    14 ¦ Walking Along ¦ Solitaires

    #122 on my list rated 8.

    The ONLY Solitaires record to ever get UK release--on London label here
    (and that licenced by Argo in late 1958)

    16 ¦ My Juanita ¦ Crests

    #179 and an 8.

    Favorite of mine too but never issued here. We got 10 or so Crests
    singles here all from Coed starting naturally with the big "Sixteen
    Candles" hit

    19 ¦ Fools Fall In Love ¦ Drifters

    #171 and an 8

    We got very sporadic Drifters releases early one--none of the McPhatter
    stuff saw release here and there were no releases at all by them here in
    1957. Their next UK issue "Drip Drop" in 1958 on London is incredibly
    rare--I never saw a copy!

    30 ¦ Lovin' And Jivin' ¦ Enchanters

    I have this as 1956 recorded 15-11-56 (unreleased)

    https://adp-staging.eks.dld.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/date/browse?date=1956-11-15

    36 ¦ The Stroll ¦ Diamonds

    #287 and 7

    As well as "Little Darlin'" I also liked this one by them and as if that
    wasn't enough I also liked their "She Say (Oom Dooby Doom) in 1959

    39 ¦ At The Hop ¦ Danny & Juniors

    #596 and a 7.

    My very favorite record at the time--still sounds okay today. I like it
    too in the original Johnny Madara version

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKpKkyUu13g

    40 ¦ When You Come Around ¦ Charlie Feathers
    41 ¦ Too Much Alike ¦ Charlie Feathers

    Vocal group records??? HUH???

    50 ¦ Tonite, Tonite ¦ Mello-Kings

    #213 and an 8

    Not released here but included in the UK rock 'n' roll movie "Sweet
    Beat" in 1959 and on the various artists soundtrack Top Rank EP

    Here's the "Tonite Tonite" clip from the movie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18ne0geuiQY

    58 ¦ 26 Miles (Santa Catalina) ¦ Four Preps

    #694 and a 7

    Pure pop from 1957 but one I always liked and still find myself humming
    on occasion. I liked their "Big Man" also

    60 ¦ Come Go With Me ¦ Federals

    #665 and 7

    It's good but can't begin to compare with the immaculate Dell-Vikings
    original

    70 ¦ Daddy Cool ¦ Rays

    #260 and 7

    Good double sider but personally I always preferred "Silhouettes"

    71 ¦ Peanuts ¦ Little Joe & Thrillers

    #212 and 8

    Or rather "Peanut" (singular) as Joe seems to sing it.

    We did get this one issued here on Philips--but ONLY as a 78!!

    Recorded again later in a much lesser version by the group on Reprise

    82 ¦ Dedicated To The One I Love ¦ Five Royales

    #216 and 8

    The Royales version did get released here but not till 1961 when Ember
    here put it out---presumably to siphon sales off The Shirelles revival
    which version I always liked better anyway

    92 ¦ Happy Happy Birthday Baby ¦ Tuneweavers

    #284 and 7

    One I always liked---but wasn't this out in THREE different US versions
    by the end of 1957? Each release having a different flip side?

    Over here we got Paul Gayten's "Yo Yo Walk" as the London label flip

    94 ¦ Oh Julie ¦ Crescendos

    Here's one I dislike. Came out here on London but I find it extremely
    annoying. I don't list it

    97 ¦ Mr. Lee ¦ Bobbettes

    #236 and 8

    One of my all time fave femme vocal group numbers on London here. I also
    liked the sequel "I Shot Mr. Lee" in the superior Atlantic version that
    we also got via London

    128 ¦ Your Last Chance ¦ Lewis Lymon & Teenchords

    Its "bubbling under" on my list - #100 and 8

    Came out here on Oriole in early 1958 to coincide with the movie "Disc
    Jockey Jamboree" (just called "Jamboree" in USA). Loved their sequence
    in the movie (where they are introduced by "Spaceman" dee jay Jocko Henderson)--for anyone who's not seen it here 'tis

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1ZnyC2x4k

    148 ¦ He's Mine ¦ Platters

    #365 and a 7.

    A particular Platters favorite of mine that features Zola to the fore
    (also liked her "Someone To Watch Over Me" on one of their albums)

    Mercury put it out over here--but as with The Diamonds' "Little Darlin"
    here these records were ONLY on 78RPM here. Mercury was distributed by
    Philips at the time who were the last company to embrace the "new
    fangled" 45RPM model---already EIGHT YEARS old in the USA by 1957!!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Fri Oct 4 17:18:23 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 15:11:35 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 7:47:04 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here are my Vocal Group favorites for 1957. As long as there is a >vocal
    group on the record it is eligible even if they are not credited >on the
    label.

    I can't go along with this sorry. "A White Sport Coat" is a vocal group record? Seriously? Call me old fashioned if you like--but in my book a
    vocal group record is a record made by a vocal group.

    Once again you revert to record collector. There is a full vocal group
    on "A White Sport Coat." What it happens to say on the label is not
    relevant to that. If I had played you the record before you ever heard
    it and said that it was by a new group called the Doorbells would you immediately say that it's not a vocal group?

    What is says on the label is commerce and legalities and sometimes just
    the whim of the label owner. What you hear in the music should determine whether or not it's a vocal group.....not what it happens to say on the
    label.


    30 ¦ Lovin' And Jivin' ¦ Enchanters

    I have this as 1956 recorded 15-11-56 (unreleased)

    I guess I have to change that.

    36 ¦ The Stroll ¦ Diamonds

    #287 and 7

    As well as "Little Darlin'" I also liked this one by them and as if that wasn't enough I also liked their "She Say (Oom Dooby Doom) in 1959.

    You may have liked it in 1959, but it was released in 1958.


    40 ¦ When You Come Around ¦ Charlie Feathers
    41 ¦ Too Much Alike ¦ Charlie Feathers

    Vocal group records??? HUH???

    Yup. The group is the Marigolds with Johnny Bragg. They sang on 3
    Feathers numbers on King.

    70 ¦ Daddy Cool ¦ Rays

    #260 and 7

    Good double sider but personally I always preferred "Silhouettes"

    Never liked "Silhouettes" much by anybody. It's just a really corny pop
    song as evidenced by the other acts who did versions including your
    favorite UK band with a bucked tooth buffoon as the front man.

    92 ¦ Happy Happy Birthday Baby ¦ Tuneweavers

    #284 and 7

    One I always liked---but wasn't this out in THREE different US versions
    by the end of 1957? Each release having a different flip side?

    Always the record collector. They were all the same recording, they just
    had different labels and flip sides, again, for commerce and legalities
    which have NOTHING to do with the music heard on the recording. I assume
    this list is about the individual recordings and what they sound like,
    not about how they happened to be packaged for the public to own them.
    When you play these things now I assume that you don't actually pull out
    some old 45 but that you just click on them on your computer like I do.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 4 20:49:24 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 17:18:23 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 15:11:35 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 7:47:04 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here are my Vocal Group favorites for 1957. As long as there is a
    vocal group on the record it is eligible even if they are not
    credited >on the label.

    I can't go along with this sorry. "A White Sport Coat" is a vocal
    group record? Seriously? Call me old fashioned if you like--but in my
    book a vocal group record is a record made by a vocal group.

    Once again you revert to record collector. There is a full vocal group
    on "A White Sport Coat." What it happens to say on the label is not
    relevant to that. If I had played you the record before you ever heard
    it and said that it was by a new group called the Doorbells would you immediately say that it's not a vocal group?

    What is says on the label is commerce and legalities and sometimes >just
    the whim of the label owner. What you hear in the music should
    determine whether or not it's a vocal group.....not what it happens to
    say on the label.

    This is a completely spurious argument. "A White Sport Coat" is clearly
    a Marty Robbins record with backing singers---Johnny Desmond's cover is
    the same--a Johnny Desmond record with backing singers. Neither of them
    are remotely vocal group records.

    I imagine you're on your own with this silly argument that makes no
    sense. I can't see you getting much support on it from the members here.

    You certainly will never get any from me

    36 ¦ The Stroll ¦ Diamonds

    #287 and 7

    As well as "Little Darlin'" I also liked this one by them and as if
    that wasn't enough I also liked their "She Say (Oom Dooby Doom) in
    1959.

    You may have liked it in 1959, but it was released in 1958.

    I see it was reviewed in BB week of January 5 1959 so I guess that means
    it was indeed released that last week of 1958 probably. I'll alter my
    notes


    40 ¦ When You Come Around ¦ Charlie Feathers
    41 ¦ Too Much Alike ¦ Charlie Feathers

    Vocal group records??? HUH???

    Yup. The group is the Marigolds with Johnny Bragg. They sang on 3
    Feathers numbers on King.

    Again they are just backing singers on a couple of Charlie Feathers
    titles. They're NOT vocal group records. They're Charlie Feathers
    records (albeit with vocal group backing)

    70 ¦ Daddy Cool ¦ Rays

    #260 and 7

    Good double sider but personally I always preferred "Silhouettes"

    Never liked "Silhouettes" much by anybody. It's just a really corny >pop
    song as evidenced by the other acts who did versions including >your favorite UK band with a bucked tooth buffoon as the front man.

    The trouble is the song doesn't really lend itself to a different
    treatment so pretty well all the later versions come out as lesser
    imitations of the Rays original.

    92 ¦ Happy Happy Birthday Baby ¦ Tuneweavers

    #284 and 7

    One I always liked---but wasn't this out in THREE different US
    versions by the end of 1957? Each release having a different flip
    side?

    Always the record collector. They were all the same recording, they
    just had different labels and flip sides, again, for commerce and
    legalities which have NOTHING to do with the music heard on the
    recording. I assume this list is about the individual recordings and
    what they sound like,not about how they happened to be packaged for the >public to own them.When you play these things now I assume that you
    don't actually pull out some old 45 but that you just click on them on
    your computer like I do.

    I phrased this piece wrong---I know they were both the same recording by
    the group. I meant that it came out in two different couplings with
    different flipsides.THe original had "Ol' Man River" as the flip the
    other had Paul Gayten's "Yo Yo Walk" as the flip (I thought there were
    three different couplings but the other is "Ol' Man River" b/w Gayten's
    "Tough Enough" )

    And yes I play everything via the computer nowadays while what remains
    of the record collection gathers dust :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Fri Oct 4 22:05:01 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:49:24 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 17:18:23 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 15:11:35 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 7:47:04 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here are my Vocal Group favorites for 1957. As long as there is a >>>>vocal group on the record it is eligible even if they are not
    credited >on the label.

    I can't go along with this sorry. "A White Sport Coat" is a vocal
    group record? Seriously? Call me old fashioned if you like--but in my >>>book a vocal group record is a record made by a vocal group.

    Once again you revert to record collector. There is a full vocal group
    on "A White Sport Coat." What it happens to say on the label is not
    relevant to that. If I had played you the record before you ever heard
    it and said that it was by a new group called the Doorbells would you
    immediately say that it's not a vocal group?

    What is says on the label is commerce and legalities and sometimes >just
    the whim of the label owner. What you hear in the music should
    determine whether or not it's a vocal group.....not what it happens to
    say on the label.

    This is a completely spurious argument. "A White Sport Coat" is clearly
    a Marty Robbins record with backing singers---Johnny Desmond's cover is
    the same--a Johnny Desmond record with backing singers. Neither of them
    are remotely vocal group records.

    So backing singers are not a vocal group?

    Tell that to the Anita Kerr Singers who backed up hundreds of hit songs.
    I'll bet they considered themselves a vocal group. It's not label
    credit, or a name, or who is the main artist on the label that
    determines whether or not it's a vocal group. It's whether or not there
    is a group of people singing together on the recording that determines
    it IMO. Do you deny that many records by Elvis with the Jordanaires were
    vocal group records?

    Is "Have A Good Time" by Ruth Brown a vocal group record?
    What about "Oh What A Dream?"
    What about "Don't" by Elvis?
    "What Am I Living For" by Chuck Willis?

    I say as long as there are at least 2 other people singing along with
    the lead singer that it's a vocal group. Who is credited or whether or
    not they have a name as a group is not relevant at all as I see it.
    "Over The Mountain" with Johnnie & Joe & Rex Garvin singing together is
    a vocal group record IMO.


    40 ¦ When You Come Around ¦ Charlie Feathers
    41 ¦ Too Much Alike ¦ Charlie Feathers

    Vocal group records??? HUH???

    Yup. The group is the Marigolds with Johnny Bragg. They sang on 3
    Feathers numbers on King.

    Again they are just backing singers on a couple of Charlie Feathers
    titles. They're NOT vocal group records. They're Charlie Feathers
    records (albeit with vocal group backing)

    You just can't get away from thinking like a record collector rather
    than just a music fan. Whose name is listed on the label is just
    commerce. It has nothing to do with what kind of recording it is.
    Charlie Feathers is singing lead with 4 or 5 other singers. If they
    happened to put their name on the label on the label like RCA did with
    the Jordanaires does that change things for you and make them vocal
    group records.

    IS "I Know, I Know" by Pookie Hudson a vocal group record? If not,
    suppose the label said Pookie Hudson and the Imperials, would it then be
    a vocal group record? Why let label owners and producers and executives
    decide these things for you rather than just going by what you hear on
    the recording?



    92 ¦ Happy Happy Birthday Baby ¦ Tuneweavers

    #284 and 7

    One I always liked---but wasn't this out in THREE different US
    versions by the end of 1957? Each release having a different flip
    side?

    Always the record collector. They were all the same recording, they
    just had different labels and flip sides, again, for commerce and >>legalities which have NOTHING to do with the music heard on the
    recording. I assume this list is about the individual recordings and
    what they sound like, not about how they happened to be packaged for the >>public to own them. When you play these things now I assume that you
    don't actually pull out some old 45 but that you just click on them on
    your computer like I do.

    I phrased this piece wrong---I know they were both the same recording by
    the group. I meant that it came out in two different couplings with
    different flipsides. THe original had "Ol' Man River" as the flip the
    other had Paul Gayten's "Yo Yo Walk" as the flip (I thought there were
    three different couplings but the other is "Ol' Man River" b/w Gayten's "Tough Enough"

    Yes, but that has nothing to do with this thread. That's just of
    interest really to record collectors, not straight music fans.

    And yes I play everything via the computer nowadays while what remains
    of the record collection gathers dust :)

    A great reason to start selling the records while you are still around
    to use the money rather than leaving that to your heirs. Diane turning
    me on to MP3s was what opened things up for me to start selling 20+
    years ago.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 4 23:26:44 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 07:26:14 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1957

    Roger, I have 60+ fave vocal group records from 1957, which I
    find hard to rank, although some clearly lead the pack.

    Anyway, I'd like to list the first 20 of these fave records by a vocal
    group from 1957; I hope to list the other 40+ songs soon:

    Lewis Lymon and The Teenchords {Washington Heights, NYC} - Honey Honey
    (You Don't Know) [Fury 1003;;NYC] - Mar 1957

    Lewis Lymon and The Teenchords {Washington Heights, NYC} - I'm Not Too
    Young To Fall In Love [Fury 1006;;NYC] - Jul

    The Gladiolas {Lancaster SC} - Sweetheart Please Don't Go [Excello 2101;;Nashville] - Jan 1957

    Danny & The Juniors {Philadelphia} - At The Hop [ABC-P 9871] - Nov 1957

    Linda Brannon And The Singing Sons - I Wanna Be There [Ram
    8771;;Shreveport] - Jul 1957

    The Debonaires {Atlanta?} - Darling [Herald 509] - Nov 1957

    The Deltairs {Jamaica, Queens, NY) - Lullaby Of The Bells [Ivy 101;;NYC]
    - Sep 1957

    The Sunbeams {Long Island} - Please Say You'll Be Mine [Acme 719;;NYC] -
    Oct 1957

    The Dubs {Harlem} - Don't Ask Me (To Be Lonely) [Gone 5002;;NYC] - Apr
    1957

    The Four Esquires {Boston} - Love Me Forever [Paris 509;;Boston] - Oct
    1957

    The Four Lovers {NJ} - White Christmas [LP RCA 'Joyride'] - 1957

    The Glad Rags - My China Doll [Excello 2121;;Nashville] - Sep 1957

    The Pearls {Detroit} - Ice Cream Baby [Onyx 511;;NYC] - Jun 1957

    The Cellos {Manhattan} - Rang Tang Ding Dong (I Am The Japanese Sandman) [Apollo 510;;NYC] - Apr 1957

    The Personalities, lead Ralph Molina {Bronx} - Woe Woe Baby [Safari
    1002;;NYC] - 1957

    The Scholars {Texas} - Beloved [Imperial 5449] - Jun 1957

    The Delroys {Queens} - Bermuda Shorts [Apollo 514;;NYC] - Jul 1957

    The Paragons {NYC} - Florence [Winley 215;;NYC] - Mar 1957

    The Shells {Brooklyn} - Baby Oh Baby [Johnson 104;;NYC] - Aug 1957

    The Solitaires {Harlem} - Walking Along [Old Town 1034;;NYC] - Jan 1957

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Oct 5 05:02:18 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 7:26:14 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    2. LET THE BOOGIE WOOGIE ROLL - CLYDE McPHATTER (actually THE DRIFTERS)

    Recorded at the same 1953 New York session that produced “Money Honey” this track finally showed up on an Atlantic EP “All Star Rock ‘N’ Roll”
    in 1957 (tho there is some dispute over the release year) credited
    simply to “Clyde McPhatter”.

    If you were making this list in 1957 would this not be on it, since it's
    not by a vocal group?

    At the time you had no way of knowing that it was from an earlier
    Drifters session as it just said Clyde McPhatter as the artist. I assume
    you are not counting Atlantic records by non groups as "group records."

    Even when the record is by Lavern Baker & the Gliders? Although the
    Gliders is just a made up name for the Cues, who were listed with
    various made up names when they sane with Atlantic artists.

    Is "Jim Dandy" a group record?

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 5 06:02:24 2024
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 5:02:18 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 7:26:14 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    2. LET THE BOOGIE WOOGIE ROLL - CLYDE McPHATTER (actually THE DRIFTERS)

    Recorded at the same 1953 New York session that produced “Money Honey” >> this track finally showed up on an Atlantic EP “All Star Rock ‘N’ Roll”
    in 1957 (tho there is some dispute over the release year) credited
    simply to “Clyde McPhatter”.

    If you were making this list in 1957 would this not be on it, since it's
    not by a vocal group?

    Since I'd never even heard of The Drifters in 1957 let alone Clyde
    McPhatter the question is meaningless

    At the time you had no way of knowing that it was from an earlier
    Drifters session as it just said Clyde McPhatter as the artist. I assume
    you are not counting Atlantic records by non groups as "group records."

    Even when the record is by Lavern Baker & the Gliders? Although the
    Gliders is just a made up name for the Cues, who were listed with
    various made up names when they sane with Atlantic artists.

    Is "Jim Dandy" a group record?

    No it's a Lavern Baker record with group backing

    Are you colonials familiar with the term "clutching at straws"?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 06:28:13 2024
    When we did our first Relic survey back in 1992 participants were asked
    to list their 15 favorite vocal groups ranked in order. Steve Propes
    listed Jesse Belvin as one of his favorite vocal groups. As a matter of
    fact I think he listed Belvin at number one.

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