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Joe Cocker
<<Among the other honors this year, Salt-N-Pepa, the pioneering female
rap group, and the singer-songwriter Warren Zevon will receive the
musical influence award. The musical excellence citation will go to the keyboardist Nicky Hopkins, the studio bassist Carol Kaye and the
producer Thom Bell, a key figure in Philadelphia soul. Lenny Waronker, a producer and longtime executive at Warner Bros. Records, will receive
the Ahmet Ertegun Award.>>
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I don't know who that last guy is, but all the others are IMO
well-deserved.
I would have thought thatthe studio bassist Carol Kaye
Carol Kaye was in long ago.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:07:24 +0000, DianeE wrote:---------
<<Among the other honors this year, Salt-N-Pepa, the pioneering female
rap group, and the singer-songwriter Warren Zevon will receive the
musical influence award. The musical excellence citation will go to the
keyboardist Nicky Hopkins, the studio bassist Carol Kaye and the
producer Thom Bell, a key figure in Philadelphia soul. Lenny Waronker, a
producer and longtime executive at Warner Bros. Records, will receive
the Ahmet Ertegun Award.>>
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I don't know who that last guy is, but all the others are IMO
well-deserved.
Except for Zevon. He has no business here. I would have thought that
Carol Kaye was in long ago.
--
On 4/28/2025 10:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:07:24 +0000, DianeE wrote:---------
<<Among the other honors this year, Salt-N-Pepa, the pioneering female
rap group, and the singer-songwriter Warren Zevon will receive the
musical influence award. The musical excellence citation will go to the
keyboardist Nicky Hopkins, the studio bassist Carol Kaye and the
producer Thom Bell, a key figure in Philadelphia soul. Lenny Waronker, a >>> producer and longtime executive at Warner Bros. Records, will receive
the Ahmet Ertegun Award.>>
--------------
I don't know who that last guy is, but all the others are IMO
well-deserved.
Except for Zevon. He has no business here. I would have thought that
Carol Kaye was in long ago.
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I like Zevon's music and admire his bravery in the face of death.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 17:27:53 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:
On 4/28/2025 10:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:07:24 +0000, DianeE wrote:---------
<<Among the other honors this year, Salt-N-Pepa, the pioneering female >>>> rap group, and the singer-songwriter Warren Zevon will receive the
musical influence award. The musical excellence citation will go to the >>>> keyboardist Nicky Hopkins, the studio bassist Carol Kaye and the
producer Thom Bell, a key figure in Philadelphia soul. Lenny Waronker, a >>>> producer and longtime executive at Warner Bros. Records, will receive
the Ahmet Ertegun Award.>>
--------------
I don't know who that last guy is, but all the others are IMO
well-deserved.
Except for Zevon. He has no business here. I would have thought that
Carol Kaye was in long ago.
--
I like Zevon's music and admire his bravery in the face of death.
I do concur. It took awhile but his songs grew on me.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:31:18 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 17:27:53 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:
On 4/28/2025 10:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:07:24 +0000, DianeE wrote:---------
<<Among the other honors this year, Salt-N-Pepa, the pioneering female >>>>> rap group, and the singer-songwriter Warren Zevon will receive the
musical influence award. The musical excellence citation will go to the >>>>> keyboardist Nicky Hopkins, the studio bassist Carol Kaye and the
producer Thom Bell, a key figure in Philadelphia soul. Lenny Waronker, a >>>>> producer and longtime executive at Warner Bros. Records, will receive >>>>> the Ahmet Ertegun Award.>>
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I don't know who that last guy is, but all the others are IMO
well-deserved.
Except for Zevon. He has no business here. I would have thought that
Carol Kaye was in long ago.
--
I like Zevon's music and admire his bravery in the face of death.
I do concur. It took awhile but his songs grew on me.
Okay, but you guys liking his music and admiring his bravery does not
make him a Hall of Famer. Anyway, he's only in with a musical excellence >award. I'd rather see Joe Simon, Don Covay or Johnny Ace get in long
before Zevon. Zevon is just other white guy with a relatively small cult >following that gets in before R&B and soul acts who were very successful
hit makers.
zevon had a whopping 2 chart singles, one of which did not make the top
50 and was a remake of a New Orleans classic. He had 7 chart albums, but
only 2 of them cracked the top 75 on the BB LP chart. Like I said, a
cult following that only a small segment of white people care about.
How does this add up to Hall of Fame status?
Why wouldn't we instead put in someone who had a long, successful and
more mainstream career, like Lou Rawls, Jethro Tull, Three Dog Night or
the Carpenters? Or even some of these HUGE metal bands that get ignored. >There's 500 acts I would put in before Zevon.
I don't think he's a HOFamer. Never said he was. I was just replyiing
to Diane's comment about liking his stuff.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 22:37:24 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
I don't think he's a HOFamer. Never said he was. I was just replyiing
to Diane's comment about liking his stuff.
Okay, but she did say that Zevon's induction was "well deserved." He is
going in for "Musical influence." I'd say that Johnny Ace was far more >influential than Zevon was.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 22:37:24 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:--------
I don't think he's a HOFamer. Never said he was. I was just replyiing
to Diane's comment about liking his stuff.
Okay, but she did say that Zevon's induction was "well deserved." He is
going in for "Musical influence." I'd say that Johnny Ace was far more influential than Zevon was.
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On 4/30/2025 3:16 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 22:37:24 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:--------
I don't think he's a HOFamer. Never said he was. I was just replyiing
to Diane's comment about liking his stuff.
Okay, but she did say that Zevon's induction was "well deserved." He is
going in for "Musical influence." I'd say that Johnny Ace was far more
influential than Zevon was.
--
I think it was well deserved. I think (as do many others) that the HOF
has been, for whatever reason, prejudiced against the 1970s California artists like J.D. Souther, Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, Zevon, and
the members of the Eagles. Linda Ronstadt, IMO the greatest non-Black
female R&R singer ever, had to get Parkinson's disease before they would induct her. I think they thought these people's music was too "soft" or
too "commercial" --I don't really know what the hell they thought.
As for Johnny Ace, he was certainly influential in terms of other
artists doing remakes of his songs, but if he hadn't died in such a
shocking manner, how would his career have progressed--or not
progressed? We could ask the same question about Ritchie Valens who I believe they inducted more for his ethnicity than for his musical
output, which, since he was still a teenager when he died, obviously
wasn't going to be much.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 16:41:16 +0000, DianeE wrote:------------
On 4/30/2025 3:16 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 22:37:24 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:--------
I don't think he's a HOFamer. Never said he was. I was just replyiing
to Diane's comment about liking his stuff.
Okay, but she did say that Zevon's induction was "well deserved." He is
going in for "Musical influence." I'd say that Johnny Ace was far more
influential than Zevon was.
--
I think it was well deserved. I think (as do many others) that the HOF
has been, for whatever reason, prejudiced against the 1970s California
artists like J.D. Souther, Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, Zevon, and
the members of the Eagles. Linda Ronstadt, IMO the greatest non-Black
female R&R singer ever, had to get Parkinson's disease before they would
induct her. I think they thought these people's music was too "soft" or
too "commercial" --I don't really know what the hell they thought.
As for Johnny Ace, he was certainly influential in terms of other
artists doing remakes of his songs, but if he hadn't died in such a
shocking manner, how would his career have progressed--or not
progressed? We could ask the same question about Ritchie Valens who I
believe they inducted more for his ethnicity than for his musical
output, which, since he was still a teenager when he died, obviously
wasn't going to be much.
Zevon died young too. Otherwise he would never have gotten in.
Jackson Browne and the Eagles have been in the Hall of Fame for decades.-----------
And someone being the best non black female rock and roll singer is like someone being the best black singer of Chinese Opera. As for me, Lew has Ronstadt 24th on the list of Greatest Female Rock artists.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html
There's also a Greatest Female Rock Vocalists list where she is 19th,
and behind white acts Janis Joplin, Ann Wilson, Dusty Springfield, Joni Mitchell, Karen Carpenter, Annie Lenox, Grace Slick and Celine Dion.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html
Jackson Browne and the Eagles have been in the Hall of Fame for decades.-----------
And someone [Linda Ronstadt] being the best non black female rock androll singer is like
someone being the best black singer of Chinese Opera.-------------
On 4/30/2025 5:47 PM, Bruce wrote:Lew has
JoniRonstadt 24th on the list of Greatest Female Rock artists.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html
There's also a Greatest Female Rock Vocalists list where she is 19th,
and behind white acts Janis Joplin, Ann Wilson, Dusty Springfield,
--------Mitchell, Karen Carpenter, Annie Lenox, Grace Slick and Celine Dion.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html-----------
THAT'S INSANE.
On 4/30/2025 6:06 PM, DianeE wrote:
On 4/30/2025 5:47 PM, Bruce wrote:Lew has
Ronstadt 24th on the list of Greatest Female Rock artists.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html
19th,There's also a Greatest Female Rock Vocalists list where she is
Joniand behind white acts Janis Joplin, Ann Wilson, Dusty Springfield,
Dion.Mitchell, Karen Carpenter, Annie Lenox, Grace Slick and Celine
--------https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html-----------
THAT'S INSANE.
But let's use your test. There's a youtube video of Linda Ronstadt in
her prime (1970s) singing the U.S. national anthem at a Dodgers game. Do
you and Lew think for a single minute that Janis Joplin could have sung
the national anthem? I don't think Grace Slick could have sung it
either. She did not have a lot of range.
Celine Dion could certainly sing it, but since she's Canadian I doubt
she would want to.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 3:18:26 +0000, DianeE wrote:
On 4/30/2025 6:06 PM, DianeE wrote:
Lew has
On 4/30/2025 5:47 PM, Bruce wrote:
19th,Ronstadt 24th on the list of Greatest Female Rock artists.
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html
There's also a Greatest Female Rock Vocalists list where she is
Joniand behind white acts Janis Joplin, Ann Wilson, Dusty Springfield,
Dion.Mitchell, Karen Carpenter, Annie Lenox, Grace Slick and Celine
-------------------
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-female-x.html
THAT'S INSANE.
But let's use your test. There's a youtube video of Linda Ronstadt in
her prime (1970s) singing the U.S. national anthem at a Dodgers game. Do
you and Lew think for a single minute that Janis Joplin could have sung
the national anthem? I don't think Grace Slick could have sung it
either. She did not have a lot of range.
Celine Dion could certainly sing it, but since she's Canadian I doubt
she would want to.
She said she was the greatest "female rock and roll singer." So what
else she can sing or not sing is not relevant to that. Howlin' Wolf
can't sing the National anthem either. My test is for general singing,
no genre defined.
Who's this other "she?" *I* said that!
she (Linda).
On 5/1/2025 8:44 AM, Bruce wrote:
she (Linda).
Has 2 of my favorite remakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qqvdOwoN-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtMQ3N4OyI