• Stan Freberg - The Old Payola Roll Blues - 1959

    From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 28 14:55:34 2025
    for me, one of his very best records

    of course, you have to follow the lyrics to fully appreciate

    on [Capitol 4329]
    ... (Like The Beginning) /
    ... (Like The End)

    both sides:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0WDr0fJV2I

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 07:01:05 2025
    The "getting a teenage idol" bit at the beginning is spoken comedy at
    its very best

    PRODUCER (shouts across street) : "Hey kid!!"

    KID : "Who me?"

    PRODUCER : "Yeah Can you sing?"

    KID : "No"

    PRODUCER "Good! Come with me"

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 29 10:01:23 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 07:08:38 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 7:01:05 +0000, Roger wrote:

    The "getting a teenage idol" bit at the beginning is spoken comedy at
    its very best

    PRODUCER (shouts across street) : "Hey kid!!"

    KID : "Who me?"

    PRODUCER : "Yeah Can you sing?"

    KID : "No"

    PRODUCER "Good! Come with me"

    "spoken comedy at its very best"

    You Limeys have a strange sense of humor.

    It might be more complex/sophisticated/subtle rather than 'strange'.
    This record apparently actually charted in the UK in 1960.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Dean on Sat Mar 29 17:28:22 2025
    On 3/29/2025 12:25 AM, Dean wrote:
    I can't listen to that one. Freberg's musical ignorance just infuriates
    me.
    ---------
    I was never a Freberg fan. The late Norm Katuna was a huge fan and IIRC
    had a complete collection on vinyl. I hate to admit it, but I'd rather
    listen to Homer & Jethro.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Mar 29 07:08:38 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 7:01:05 +0000, Roger wrote:

    The "getting a teenage idol" bit at the beginning is spoken comedy at
    its very best

    PRODUCER (shouts across street) : "Hey kid!!"

    KID : "Who me?"

    PRODUCER : "Yeah Can you sing?"

    KID : "No"

    PRODUCER "Good! Come with me"

    "spoken comedy at its very best"

    You Limeys have a strange sense of humor.

    --

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 18:30:26 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:51:03 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 14:01:23 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 07:08:38 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 7:01:05 +0000, Roger wrote:

    The "getting a teenage idol" bit at the beginning is spoken comedy at
    its very best

    PRODUCER (shouts across street) : "Hey kid!!"

    KID : "Who me?"

    PRODUCER : "Yeah Can you sing?"

    KID : "No"

    PRODUCER "Good! Come with me"

    "spoken comedy at its very best"

    You Limeys have a strange sense of humor.

    It might be more complex/sophisticated/subtle rather than 'strange'.
    This record apparently actually charted in the UK in 1960.

    Where do you have this charting?

    Certainly! (as a chatbot might say :) For 1 week in May at #40: https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/8493/stan-freberg/

    It never charted in NME (New Musical Express) but it may have done in
    another music weekly

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 30 15:17:17 2025
    On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 15:56:28 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    1950s R&B and rock and roll is not something that is funny to mock IMO.
    If he was mocking 1970s rock and roll like they did in Spinal Tap, okay.
    That was mockable. But "Sh-Boom" by the Chords is not in any way
    mockable.

    Freberg pokes fun at both the older generation's resistance to an
    evolving music scene and, at the other end of the spectrum, the
    fervent fans of R&B and Rock, such as Bruce and Dean.
    Roger and Geoff avoid being overly serious in their enthusiasm,
    thus they can enjoy the humor.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sun Mar 30 15:32:22 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:28:22 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 12:25 AM, Dean wrote:
    I can't listen to that one. Freberg's musical ignorance just infuriates
    me.
    ---------
    I hate to admit it, but I'd rather listen to Homer & Jethro.

    Would you care to mention some faves, Di.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Sun Mar 30 16:41:16 2025
    On 3/30/2025 3:32 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:28:22 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 12:25 AM, Dean wrote:
    I can't listen to that one. Freberg's musical ignorance just infuriates
    me.
    ---------
    I hate to admit it, but I'd rather listen to Homer & Jethro.

    Would you care to mention some faves, Di.
    -------
    Their parody versions of "Santa Baby" and "Baby It's Cold Outside" (the
    latter featuring June Carter) are on my December playlist.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 30 23:03:36 2025
    On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 21:21:41 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    That's the difference. You see it as funny and I don't. So to me it's
    not comedy. It's a misguided failed attempt at comedy.

    ItÆs fascinating how personal identity, cultural connections, and
    individual experiences can shape our reactions to humor or satire.
    Here are some possible psychological reasons why Bruce might find
    Freberg's parody not only not funny but offensive:

    1. **Cultural Identity and Representation**: As someone with a
    connection to Black heritage, Bruce might feel a deep cultural pride
    in 1950s R&B, a genre rooted in Black musical innovation. A parody
    like Freberg's could be perceived as trivializing or mocking a
    significant cultural achievement, which might feel disrespectful.

    2. **Emotional Attachment**: Loving 1950s R&B likely means Bruce has a
    strong emotional connection to the music. When something he cherishes
    is parodied, it might feel like an attack on something personal, even
    if the intent was humor.

    3. **Historical Context**: The 1950s were a time of racial segregation
    and significant struggles for Black artists to gain recognition. A
    parody of an R&B hit from that era might unintentionally evoke
    memories of those challenges, making the humor feel tone-deaf or
    dismissive.

    4. **Satire and Dehumanization**: Research suggests that satire can
    sometimes dehumanize its targets, reducing them to caricatures and
    amplifying negative perceptions. If Freberg's parody comes across as
    mocking rather than celebrating, it could feel like it diminishes the
    artistry and significance of "Sh-Boom."

    So why might Roger from UK, who also has a connection to Black
    heritage and enjoys R&B every bit as much as Bruce, in contrast find
    the Freberg record amusing?

    There could be several reasons for this difference:

    1. **Sense of Humor**: Humor is deeply personal. Roger may have a
    broader appreciation for satire or parody in general, or simply find
    FrebergÆs style clever and entertaining.

    2. **Cultural Context**: Growing up in the UK, he may have a different relationship with 1950s American R&B and its societal implications.
    While he loves the music, he might not see the parody as diminishing
    its cultural value because he views it through a different lens.

    3. **Critical Distance**: As an authority on the genre, Roger might
    analyze Freberg's parody with a historian's perspective, appreciating
    it as part of the broader narrative of 1950s entertainment, rather
    than taking it personally.

    4. **Personal Disposition**: It could simply come down to personality.
    Some people have thicker skin when it comes to satire or are less
    likely to feel offended by mockery, even of something they love.

    The interplay of identity, culture, and personality is endlessly
    complex. It's intriguing how both Bruce and Roger have deep
    connections to the genre but interpret Freberg's parody so
    differently.

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to DianeE on Mon Mar 31 09:28:23 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:28:22 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 12:25 AM, Dean wrote:
    I can't listen to that one. Freberg's musical ignorance just infuriates
    me.
    ---------
    I was never a Freberg fan. The late Norm Katuna was a huge fan and IIRC
    had a complete collection on vinyl. I hate to admit it, but I'd rather >listen to Homer & Jethro.

    They were two of the best instrumentalists of their time.

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