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    From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 22 15:07:36 2025
    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I
    don't know.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Mar 22 19:22:24 2025
    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:07:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I don't know.

    I accept what Diane is saying here tho I for one would find it hard to
    "flood with posts" from ANY era at the present time since from where I
    am I'm experiencing so many breakdowns and "bad gate" stops on even
    loading the group its getting ridiculous.

    I for one will abide by whatever the group concensus on this is

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Mar 22 15:50:20 2025
    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:07:36 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I >don't know.

    And what is the significant difference in sound between the recently
    posted 1964 music and releases from 1962-63?

    Or are you annoyed because you're an unashamed pedant? :-)

    Have you considered that this could be a very temporary phenomena,
    inspired by Roger's post titled "Slightly OT - Fave 20 Femmes From
    1964"?

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Sat Mar 22 17:14:56 2025
    On 3/22/2025 3:50 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:07:36 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I
    don't know.

    And what is the significant difference in sound between the recently
    posted 1964 music and releases from 1962-63?
    ----------
    To me, there was a huge difference in 1964, when the Beatles, Rolling
    Stones, and Motown groups exploded. The whole sound of popular music
    changed.
    -------------

    Or are you annoyed because you're an unashamed pedant? 🙂
    ------------
    I am an unashamed pedant, no doubt, but that's not why I'm annoyed. It's
    the violation of boundaries that have been in place for 30 years.
    -----------

    Have you considered that this could be a very temporary phenomena,
    inspired by Roger's post titled "Slightly OT - Fave 20 Femmes From
    1964"?
    -------------
    No, I hadn't considered that, but I hope it's the case.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 22 21:13:51 2025
    I vote to include any music that people want to talk about. Especially
    from 1964. There are lots of great records from 1964 by artists that
    were a big part of the 1947 to 1963 scene. Although I think the cutoff
    should be 1962 rather than 1963. And also other later records by artists
    that we discuss here.

    I mean, do we really want to stop people from bringing up "Bring It On
    Home" by Sonny Boy Williamson or "Sally Was A Good Old Girl" by Fats
    Domino because they came out after 1963?

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 22 18:58:41 2025
    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:13:51 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    ... I think the cutoff should be 1962 rather than 1963...

    Agree,
    but with occasional flexibility as you suggested, especially for music
    that sounds as if it might have been recorded in 1962 or before.

    As a reminder, labels Tamla, Motown, and the group The Satintones
    go back to 1959.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Sun Mar 23 16:33:04 2025
    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 22:58:41 +0000, RWC wrote:



    As a reminder, labels Tamla, Motown, and the group The Satintones
    go back to 1959.
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    (This is Diane, posting from Bruce's computer)
    Yes, I now, but the *sound* changed in 1964. And the monster crossover
    pop hits started coming out.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 23 20:56:18 2025
    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:13:51 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    I vote to include any music that people want to talk about. Especially
    from 1964. There are lots of great records from 1964 by artists that
    were a big part of the 1947 to 1963 scene. Although I think the cutoff
    should be 1962 rather than 1963. And also other later records by artists
    that we discuss here.

    I suppose that "cut off" date varies dependent on which side of the pond
    you find yourself on but I go with the end date being 1963 because the following month (in 1964) The Beatles exploded in the USA and whole
    music scene changed quite drastically

    I mean, do we really want to stop people from bringing up "Bring It On
    Home" by Sonny Boy Williamson or "Sally Was A Good Old Girl" by Fats
    Domino because they came out after 1963?

    No we don't.

    That "cut off" date shouldn't preclude us from talking about these kind
    of records whenever a real need to do so crops up

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 23 21:06:38 2025
    Error: The connection to the Message Server failed.

    Please wait a few minutes and try again.

    Is it just me or are others here getting this message a LOT lately on
    here??

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger on Sun Mar 23 19:46:12 2025
    On 3/23/2025 5:06 PM, Roger wrote:
    Error: The connection to the Message Server failed.

    Please wait a few minutes and try again.

    Is it just me or are others here getting this message a LOT lately on
    here??
    -------------
    Yes, on NovaBBS, definitely. That's how I ended up posting something
    twice earlier today.
    Not having the problem when I use Thunderbird. (Yet.)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to BobRoman on Mon Mar 24 02:42:37 2025
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 2:40:02 +0000, BobRoman wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:07:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I
    don't know.

    I'm not really an active member here anymore, so I don't think I have a
    vote. But I will offer a thought.

    I think we have all known each other too long to have "rules" about what
    we can say. The point of rules is establishing a culture, and no
    newcomers are coming in who will need to have the group explained to
    them.

    Perhaps, after 30+ years, we are seeing a tendency for our conversation topics to spread. But there will also be a countervailing tendency, that
    the topics we all have in common -- the topics that bought us here --
    will always end up being the most fruitful.

    The two opposing tendencies will find an equilibrium. Trust where
    equilibrium lands.

    Ditto.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Dean on Mon Mar 24 03:53:38 2025
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 2:55:54 +0000, Dean wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:07:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I
    don't know.

    For what it's worth I sometimes include songs from 1964 on ROOTS ROCK
    RADIO. I don't mean the British Invasion, but songs that I think fit in
    with the other stuff I play. 1964 produced plenty of good surf music,
    girl groups, late period doo-wop, blues, early soul....

    Which is my roundabout way of saying, I don't mind that stuff being
    discussed here within reason.

    To me surf music fits in more with the later stuff than with 50s music.
    I don't know anybody who grew up in the 50s who is a surf music fan.
    It's favored more by the people who like the Beatles and Stones and
    Kinks and stuff than by people who like Fats Domino, Joe Turner, Elvis,
    Jerry Lee and Little Richard. You are a special case as someone who grew
    in the 70s but likes the older stuff. Even the Ventures fans are mainly
    white people who grew up liking mainly guitar oriented white rock music.

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 23 22:54:45 2025
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 02:40:02 +0000, robertjroman@gmail.com (BobRoman)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:07:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    This group is about music from 1946 through 1963, and flooding it with
    posts about music from 1964 is annoying. Even though I love 1960s
    music, and even though the group that was established to discuss it is
    dead, it still doesn't belong here. Unless we all vote to include it? I
    don't know.

    I'm not really an active member here anymore, so I don't think I have a
    vote. But I will offer a thought.

    I think we have all known each other too long to have "rules" about what
    we can say. The point of rules is establishing a culture, and no
    newcomers are coming in who will need to have the group explained to
    them.

    Perhaps, after 30+ years, we are seeing a tendency for our conversation >topics to spread. But there will also be a countervailing tendency, that
    the topics we all have in common -- the topics that bought us here --
    will always end up being the most fruitful.

    The two opposing tendencies will find an equilibrium. Trust where
    equilibrium lands.

    Check.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 24 16:14:40 2025
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 03:53:38 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 2:55:54 +0000, Dean wrote:

    For what it's worth I sometimes include songs from 1964 on ROOTS ROCK
    RADIO. I don't mean the British Invasion, but songs that I think fit in
    with the other stuff I play. 1964 produced plenty of good surf music,
    girl groups, late period doo-wop, blues, early soul....

    Which is my roundabout way of saying, I don't mind that stuff being
    discussed here within reason.

    To me surf music fits in more with the later stuff than with 50s music.
    I don't know anybody who grew up in the 50s who is a surf music fan.

    It's favored more by the people who like the Beatles and Stones and
    Kinks and stuff than by people who like Fats Domino, Joe Turner, Elvis,
    Jerry Lee and Little Richard.

    Surf music is also strongly associated with the cusp period, which is
    well within 1946-1963.

    For example:

    Let's Go Trippin' - Dick Dale and The Del-Tones (1961)
    Mr. Moto - The Belairs (1961):
    Misirlou - Dick Dale And The Del-Tones (1962)
    Pipeline - Chantay's (1962)
    Surfin' Safari - Beach Boys (1962)

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